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Sep 27, 2006, 01:25 PM
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Link: The Operating System Is Dead (http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20060927142544)
Description:: If you were on a desert island and you could only take the following two machines:
1. A MacPro with all apps installed with no internet connection
or
2. A Windows box with an internet connection, Firefox, IM, etc.

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j_maddison
Sep 27, 2006, 01:43 PM
I must be missing something here, but most switchers I know have switched because the 'operating system' matters because it doesnt get viruses or spyware. So either my brain works differently, or this article should be about why the Mac OS should be the primary choice because, aside from IM applications, it makes the internet a much safer and more enjoyable experince. The amount of windows users that I know who wont do hardly anything on the internet because they are frightend of viruses or spyware is annoyingly frustrating

Jason

SiliconAddict
Sep 27, 2006, 02:22 PM
Windows. I need my internet. And the only virus/worm/trojan/spyware/adware I've ever gotten on my system was a bootsector virus on Windows 3.11 back in '95.

A little common sense goes a long way.

nagromme
Sep 27, 2006, 02:24 PM
Assertion: the OS doesn't matter, because the Internet matters.

My response: the OS and the Internet BOTH matter.

Call me crazy :)

Re "the choice" -- I too would pick Windows + Internet. Keeping your Windows machine virus-free requires diligence and time spent educating yourself and taking the proper measures. It's not easy like on Mac. And on a desert island, I don't want easy, I want to pass the hours. I would appreciate the hobby of making myself an expert in keeping Windows secure.

840quadra
Sep 27, 2006, 02:27 PM
Assertion: the OS doesn't matter, because the Internet matters.

My response: the OS and the Internet BOTH matter.

Call me crazy :)

Just boot straight to safari!

Sun Baked
Sep 27, 2006, 02:34 PM
Like the Sun Java Box concept really took off ...

Anyhow a Windows box usually means a windows OS, and the abitilty to download games.

A Java Box with with an internet connection might be more meaningful for an option to see if the OS is dead.

dhaen
Sep 27, 2006, 02:49 PM
I would take the MacPro because even though no internet, it would keep working and provide some use and entertainment.
The windoes box would slowly grind to a halt through registry-fug, viruses, adware, trojans, worms, and I wouldn't have the resources to reformat it, thus it would be worthless in a short time.

whooleytoo
Sep 27, 2006, 03:02 PM
If you were on a desert island, and you could only take one of:


- A Mac/PC with an internet connection - no food, drink or woman.

or

- A home entertainment system, huge HD TV, surround sound, fridge with an unlimited supply of food and drink, an eternal power generator, and a supermodel to keep you company.

I think even the most diehard Mac/PC fan would choose option 2.

Ergo - the Mac/PC and the Internet are dead.

:rolleyes:

tsaxer
Sep 27, 2006, 03:06 PM
Assertion: the OS doesn't matter, because the Internet matters.

My response: the OS and the Internet BOTH matter.

Call me crazy :)



Yeah, it's kind of like "Would you rather keep your head, or your neck?" -Futurama technology notwithstanding

I just wonder how I'm going to power these things on a desert island... Rabid racoon power?

Sun Baked
Sep 27, 2006, 03:07 PM
I hope you have a Netflix account, otherwise without a dish the entertainment center should be swapped for a 55 gallon drum of KY jelly and a 2nd supermodel.

spicyapple
Sep 27, 2006, 03:09 PM
The Computer is Dead.

no electricity on said desert island. in the event you run on batteries, you'd best choose option 2 so you can email for help to get off the damn island!

ddrueckhammer
Sep 27, 2006, 03:23 PM
I can see the OS becoming much less important in the future. As broadband connections increase and nice online Ajax apps become more common then who needs the OS? Right now I use Google Calander, Gmail, Picasa Web Albums, Google Spreadsheets, and Google Writely. MMOLRPGs such as WoW are also mainly housed online... While many of these apps are in their infancy and aren't suitable for professional level work, they do show the potential and part of the direction that Google is taking. I would think that all of this scares MS to death as Google is offering all of this for free! Too bad as Apple slowly develops these online apps as part of .mac they will continue to insist on charging $99 a year...:(

zimtheinvader
Sep 27, 2006, 03:28 PM
back in the day, yes, I hated how windows progressively slowed down to death. I've used it on my brother's computer, 4yrs since the last install, and its faster than my OS10.4 PB, which is only 1.5 yrs old and has more RAM and office only apps. After putting up Zonealarm, ect, his computer experiences almost no problems, and given the P4 is more powerful than my G4, the minimal adware doesn't really appear to be a problem, just occasional wonky-ness with some apps. Sadly, or gladly, Windows XP security for the literate user appears to be stabilizing into a relative non-issue (imho)...until Vista...

ddrueckhammer
Sep 27, 2006, 03:44 PM
I hope you have a Netflix account, otherwise without a dish the entertainment center should be swapped for a 55 gallon drum of KY jelly and a 2nd supermodel.

I love my Mac and I love my Plasma and Stereo but I think you may have the best idea of all...:D

Donz0r
Sep 27, 2006, 03:47 PM
back in the day, yes, I hated how windows progressively slowed down to death. I've used it on my brother's computer, 4yrs since the last install, and its faster than my OS10.4 PB, which is only 1.5 yrs old and has more RAM and office only apps. After putting up Zonealarm, ect, his computer experiences almost no problems, and given the P4 is more powerful than my G4, the minimal adware doesn't really appear to be a problem, just occasional wonky-ness with some apps. Sadly, or gladly, Windows XP security for the literate user appears to be stabilizing into a relative non-issue (imho)...until Vista...

The problem is that you have to install ZoneAlarm, AdAware, SpyBot, etc.

Using XP these days is a PITA! I'll admit that ZoneAlarm pretty much got rid of all my spyware problems, which don't always come from visiting porn/gambling sites. They come from any ol' site.
The thing that I hate most about XP is "Not Responding". I swear it happens once every 10 minutes no matter what program/comptuer i'm using.

peharri
Sep 27, 2006, 03:52 PM
I'd just choose the Windows box and download a good GNU/Linux distro.

When I switched back, I thought I'd miss OS X terribly, but it's not as big a deal as I thought. GNOME has really improved the last couple of years.

Windows, on the other hand, I can't stand ten minutes with.

Queso
Sep 27, 2006, 03:53 PM
Dead easy. Take the Windows box, fire up IE6, visit http://www.ubuntu.com and download live iso, burn to CD. Boot up in Linux. :)

Not elegant, but at least I don't have to use Windows. After all, I won't have time to virus scan whilst fighting off The Others, investigating what's down The Hatch and having multiple flashbacks will I?

EDIT: Beaten to it by peharri. At least if we're both stuck on the same island, we're not going to fight about it.

baleensavage
Sep 27, 2006, 03:54 PM
no electricity on said desert island. in the event you run on batteries, you'd best choose option 2 so you can email for help to get off the damn island!
My thoughts exactly. What the hell good is a computer going to do on a deserted island. How about option three, a boat?

Seriously though, I fail to see the point of that article. What kind of question is that? It would be like asking if you were stuck on a deserted island, which would you rather have, a dinghy with oars or a speedboat with no gas in it. It's a no brainer.

Sun Baked
Sep 27, 2006, 03:58 PM
How many lost islands have an internet connection?

If it does, just call/e-mail the internet provider and have them send a tech out for a poor service call, and offer to buy him lunch if he gives you a ride.

ViveLeLivre
Sep 27, 2006, 03:58 PM
I'm afraid distributed computing is the way computers are going, but without some massive data pipes from the home to the Net, I just don't see this happening anytime soon.

I really don't want my Word, Excel, Desktop Publishing apps farmed out to some unidentifiable server/terminal server.

Wasn't this the original model of Microsoft's .net anyway? Isn't that dead?


I have yet to find any version of webmail that I would trade for a solid mail client and POP or IMAP.

Sun Baked
Sep 27, 2006, 04:02 PM
I really don't want my Word, Excel, Desktop Publishing apps farmed out to some unidentifiable server/terminal server.

Wasn't this the original model of Microsoft's .net anyway? Isn't that dead?Part of the leased software model ...

Still think MS will find a way to make their apps a multi-tier subscriber-based model at some point.

granex
Sep 27, 2006, 05:18 PM
Part of the leased software model ...


In keeping with the rest of the discussion, I read this at "leased super model ..." at first

Lixivial
Sep 27, 2006, 05:31 PM
Yeah, it's true that the Internet/Networking in general has become quite a fundamental factor in computing; but it all depends upon certain elements. First of all, it depends on whether the "No Internet" is stringent in its interpretation -- in the end, the Internet is simply a vast network; if I lose networking capabilities, then I'd take the Windows machine. But with a network, I can still do a lot of what I want.

At work, I would take the Mac Pro simply due to a. productivity and b. the fact that I don't use those resources at work -- sometimes I do when I'm on a break or bored, but it's not something I couldn't do without. At home it'd be more debatable, but if I could still do a majority of what I do, then I'd be fine without the Internet.

This whole "web 2.0" fascination -- one full of buzz words (Sound familiar dot com'ers?) -- is incredibly over-hyped. It hasn't proven to be viable in the Enterprise scape yet, and I don't find the thought of storing all my memories, documents, and personal files on Google's server, no matter how convenient a web-based Office program is.

In fact, of all the damned examples that Apple Matters listed as having online counterparts, I prefer having desktop versions. There's a reason I converged all my webmail accounts into Mail.app. iTunes does a lot more than being an internet client to a few services.

obirah
Sep 27, 2006, 05:35 PM
How to get off the island with style in three steps: (even with a 2 hour battery-life)

1. Get Option 2
2. Buy a Mac on the Apple Store
3. Put your Windows laptop on eBay as a 1USD "Buy It Now" article and put as a shipment method: "local buy"


Then just wait for the guys and hope that Apple will ship to the island and someone will come to buy your windows laptop :rolleyes:

mooncaine
Sep 27, 2006, 05:36 PM
...And on a desert island, I don't want easy, I want to pass the hours. I would appreciate the hobby of making myself an expert in keeping Windows secure.
:) Good answer.

wmmk
Sep 27, 2006, 06:03 PM
id take the peecee and vpn into my mac.

atszyman
Sep 27, 2006, 09:44 PM
Take the PC, start downloading all the software and music you can, when the RIAA or software police track me down I'm saved....

The only way the Mac would be of use is if I had information and files to use with all of the apps. Otherwise a computer without internet access is worthless.

Let's put you in a room with a computer with only photoshop and no pictures and no way to take any pictures.... ooooh yippee!

This is the most insane question I've ever seen to try to prove something they want to be true...

dontmatter
Sep 27, 2006, 10:35 PM
Mac Pro! Plastic would make for crappy tools for catching fish, but aluminum and some ingenuity might help you live. Hell if I'm going to spend my time on a computer when I need food and water, and if that's taken care of, hell if I'm going to use a computer when you've got an island and accompanying views for entertainment.

spydr
Sep 27, 2006, 11:25 PM
If you were on a desert island, and you could only take one of:


- A Mac/PC with an internet connection - no food, drink or woman.

or

- A home entertainment system, huge HD TV, surround sound, fridge with an unlimited supply of food and drink, an eternal power generator, and a supermodel to keep you company.

I think even the most diehard Mac/PC fan would choose option 2.

Ergo - the Mac/PC and the Internet are dead.

:rolleyes:Bravo! 'twas time someone jolted up and debunked that non-sequitor argument built on logic that at best sounds like hobson's choice.

s10
Sep 27, 2006, 11:40 PM
I mean.. I can come up with thousands of example like that.. going in all direction.. Just swap the words windows and mac in his "assumption" what then?

Just plain nonsense..

Agurri
Sep 28, 2006, 08:17 AM
I would get the PC, then download a cracked version of OS 10.4 for pc and install it on the PC ... short and easy :)

sunfast
Sep 28, 2006, 08:44 AM
I'd take the PC, get the credit card out and go here (http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore)

Sun Baked
Sep 28, 2006, 08:48 AM
In keeping with the rest of the discussion, I read this at "leased super model ..." at firstI think leasing them is safest.

If you buy it might cost you $10-20 million or more when you finally decide to turn her in for a newer model.

Swarmlord
Sep 28, 2006, 08:49 AM
The problem is that you have to install ZoneAlarm, AdAware, SpyBot, etc.

Using XP these days is a PITA! I'll admit that ZoneAlarm pretty much got rid of all my spyware problems, which don't always come from visiting porn/gambling sites. They come from any ol' site.
The thing that I hate most about XP is "Not Responding". I swear it happens once every 10 minutes no matter what program/comptuer i'm using.

That's the pre-emptive multitasking features supposedly built into Windows XP that still allows applications to hog all the resources if they want.

As for the spyware coming from just about anywhere, you are entirely correct. My computer stopped a downloader trojan that was riding in on a banner ad on a legitimate website not but a week ago. Spyware writers have no shame. (Of course I blame Internet Exploder, Windows and Microsoft for incorporating that capability into their browser in the first place.) I was shocked, but then that's why I use my Mac for 90% of my Internet browsing. I was only accessing Allakhazam for map information on WoW on my Windoze machine when it hit. That will teach me to use Windows for Internet access.

Mac-Addict
Sep 28, 2006, 09:55 AM
I would take the windows box.. and email my mates and tell them to come and get me off this island.. so I can come home and buy a mac..

atszyman
Sep 28, 2006, 10:12 AM
Based on this article I think that male friendships are dead. Most of my friends would probably choose the latter in this scenario:

Stranded on a desert island choose one:
1) your best friend and all of the good beer the two of you could ever consume
or
2) a gorgeous, intelligent, sterile, nymphomaniac.

Thus male friendships are becoming irrelevant....

jdechko
Sep 28, 2006, 10:53 AM
I love my Mac and I love my Plasma and Stereo but I think you may have the best idea of all...:D

No, no, no. You guys forget the Cedric Bud Light commercial. It's (normally) hard enough dealing with one woman and her mood swings, etc. Now you want to deal with two??? One woman is fine for me, thank you very much.

Sun Baked
Sep 28, 2006, 11:41 AM
Based on this article I think that male friendships are dead. Most of my friends would probably choose the latter in this scenario:

Stranded on a desert island choose one:
1) your best friend and all of the good beer the two of you could ever consume

Thus male friendships are becoming irrelevant....I think some guys here would choose 1, much to the chagrin of their straight best friend. :p

jmsait19
Sep 28, 2006, 11:47 AM
How many people are really stranded on desert islands with computers that have to make this choice?

None.

So then we all have access to the SAME internet. Therefore the next basic difference IS the operating system. And thus, the operating system is the thing that matters MOST to us when we make our choices.

Based on reality, I'll take the Mac, because in reality I can access the same internet as windows, without all the crapulent bloatware and viruses and such...

atszyman
Sep 28, 2006, 11:50 AM
I think some guys here would choose 1, much to the chagrin of their straight best friend. :p

And can you point me to where I specified the gender of the a gorgeous, intelligent, sterile, nymphomaniac?

Fairly
Sep 28, 2006, 12:23 PM
The Operating System Is Dead
So you're going to develop all these web applications on the web too? How do you get to the web without local logic? Do you have any hardware left at all? If you don't have an OS - or if the OS is 'dead' or 'doesn't matter anymore', then how do you access your hardware?

How do you keep interlopers away from your private, sensitive data without an operating system?

All those web servers you're accessing - do they have operating systems? They're actual COMPUTER HARDWARE, aren't they?

I just love it when trailer park trash exhibit computer scientist wannabe tendencies.

Mac-Addict
Sep 28, 2006, 01:13 PM
Correct me if i am wrong.. but if u dont have an OS your hardware is just a box of metal stuck togeather? Plus Whats the point of being a windows box or a macpro without a monitor? Ohh the green light has turned on and the fans are moving!!

rtharper
Sep 28, 2006, 01:17 PM
http://web.syr.edu/~rtharper/smartchart.jpg

chatin
Sep 28, 2006, 01:23 PM
A. Mac Pro with all the apps loaded on the island.


Preferably, the one at the start of "The Island" with the lovely Scarlett Johansen!

http://www.hash.com/stills/albums/userpics/normal_Fu%20Island.jpg

ddrueckhammer
Sep 28, 2006, 09:50 PM
No, no, no. You guys forget the Cedric Bud Light commercial. It's (normally) hard enough dealing with one woman and her mood swings, etc. Now you want to deal with two??? One woman is fine for me, thank you very much.

Duely noted. I will take my dog, a couple of keys, and a barbeque pit then:D

ReanimationLP
Sep 28, 2006, 09:59 PM
http://web.syr.edu/~rtharper/smartchart.jpg


Wow, that chart puts it all into perspective. Thanks. :D