Hail to the Thief

[shadowfax]

Hey guys; thought i would start a thread for people who've had a chance to listen to the "pre-release" of this upcoming Radiohead album. what is your favorite song on it so far? what do you think of the flow of the album as it is now? how does it stack up to radiohead's previous 5 albums,
Pablo Honey,
The Bends,
OK, Computer,
Kid A,
Amnesiac?

personally, i think it will be among their best. Myxomatosis is my current favorite; i play it really loud in my new car (which has a badass sound system that i didn't even have installed, ha!), and it rocks.

comments!

[howard]

well radiohead is definitely king in the current music scene as far as i am concerned

now when i first listened to these early mixes i thought wow there pretty good, it didn't kick me in the balls (in a good way) like amnesiac did...but then amnesiac kinda faded away after awhile, however ok computer...my favorite, i didn't love and worship right away, and it just keeps getting better.

well this is what these mixes have been doing... the first time i listened they were really good, now they are fantastic, and by the time the album actually comes out i'll go on a buying frenzy and thank the world that such musicians exist. only time will tell...but it could end up being one of my favorite radiohead albums.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by howard
well radiohead is definitely king in the current music scene as far as i am concerned

now when i first listened to these early mixes i thought wow there pretty good, it didn't kick me in the balls (in a good way) like amnesiac did...but then amnesiac kinda faded away after awhile, however ok computer...my favorite, i didn't love and worship right away, and it just keeps getting better.

well this is what these mixes have been doing... the first time i listened they were really good, now they are fantastic, and by the time the album actually comes out i'll go on a buying frenzy and thank the world that such musicians exist. only time will tell...but it could end up being one of my favorite radiohead albums.
i like your point about how their very best stuff doesn't strike you as incredible at first; it sinks in. OK computer is definitely like that, whereas i had that same feeling about amnesiac. it got me into radiohead, but i don't like it as much anymore as i used to. it's still great, but not as good as OK computer in the long run.

[eyelikeart]

ah Radiohead...the Pink Floyd of our generation...

I haven't had the pleasure of sampling the new stuff yet. Believe me, I will get it once it's available though.

Although, I'm quite partial to Kid A mostly. ;)

[eyelikeart]

so Shadow...u get my PM's? ;)

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by eyelikeart
so Shadow...u get my PM's? ;)

yes, sorry, i would have responded faster but my email is spontaneously down so i have to be proactive in checking responses.

[000111one111000]

I've had them for a few days now, and I really think this is their best CD. "Wolf At The Door" is frickin fantabulous, I love that song.

But I agree with you guys, I didn't like it much at first. I thought it was good, but not great. Now I think it's their best.

So many good CD's coming out this year though.

It's gonna be a good year for music, movies, video games, and Apple. :)

any other CD's you guys are waiting for?

enoch

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by 000111one111000
I've had them for a few days now, and I really think this is their best CD. "Wolf At The Door" is frickin fantabulous, I love that song.

But I agree with you guys, I didn't like it much at first. I thought it was good, but not great. Now I think it's their best.

So many good CD's coming out this year though.

It's gonna be a good year for music, movies, video games, and Apple. :)

any other CD's you guys are waiting for?

enoch
can't think of anything else i am really waiting for, but what other bands have CDs coming out you are looking forward to?

[wsteineker]

I've had it for about a week now, and I have to say that it's insanely good. I was glad to hear a little more guitar seep back into their work, but not so much so that it looses the feel of their recent albums. It's still quite dark, which I like. Overall, I think it'll be remembered as one of their better works. Still, how do you possibly rank their albums. I'd have to say that, overall, The Bends is my favorite, followed by Kid A, then OK Computer, Amnesiac, and Pablo Honey. As for where this album ranks it's hard to say. It's definitely in the top two. As for favorite tracks, it's currently a four way toss up between Go To Sleep, Where I End and You Begin, Myxomatosis, and Wolf At The Door.

I agree with what howard said, too. Their better work tends to grow on you as opposed to just grabbing you right at the outset. Kid A and Amnesiac both did that for me. I knew they were really really good immediately, but it took me a while to actually decide wether or not I actually liked it. This album has been the same way, but the verdict is in and it's brilliant.

I'm listening to it right now, and I'll be damned if they aren't just great! :D

[wsteineker]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
can't think of anything else i am really waiting for, but what other bands have CDs coming out you are looking forward to?

There's rumor of a new U2 project, so that'll be nice. :)

[000111one111000]

The new Marilyn Manson album comes out next month. Nine Inch Nails should have a new album coming out later this year. I heard Bowie is gonna have another album, possibly coming out this year. The Cure supposedly have another album coming out this year. hmmm......who else.

None that I can think of right off hand, but two bands I wish would release more CD's ASAP would be Rasputina and Portishead. Portishead hasn't released anything since 98, and Rasputina had a new CD out last year, but I just love them so damn much I want another one already. :) hehe

enoch

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by wsteineker
I've had it for about a week now, and I have to say that it's insanely good. I was glad to hear a little more guitar seep back into their work, but not so much so that it looses the feel of their recent albums. It's still quite dark, which I like. Overall, I think it'll be remembered as one of their better works. Still, how do you possibly rank their albums. I'd have to say that, overall, The Bends is my favorite, followed by Kid A, then OK Computer, Amnesiac, and Pablo Honey. As for where this album ranks it's hard to say. It's definitely in the top two. As for favorite tracks, it's currently a four way toss up between Go To Sleep, Where I End and You Begin, Myxomatosis, and Wolf At The Door.

I agree with what howard said, too. Their better work tends to grow on you as opposed to just grabbing you right at the outset. Kid A and Amnesiac both did that for me. I knew they were really really good immediately, but it took me a while to actually decide wether or not I actually liked it. This album has been the same way, but the verdict is in and it's brilliant.

I'm listening to it right now, and I'll be damned if they aren't just great! :D

the album already has 30 plays in my count. i like your top 4 song list. i would agree but switch "Go to Sleep" with "The Gloaming" and "Backdrifts." i think the gloaming i may like less later, as it is rather repetive, but it sounds really great to me now.

i am surprised you like the bends best, but i guess it is the best if you prefer their guitar work.

[wsteineker]

Hey guy with the bigass binary looking name, I didn't know NIN had a new album in the works. I'll keep an eye out for that. New Bowie material is always welcome. :)

Shadow, I think you are absolutely right about the quality of The Gloaming and Backdrifts. The latter is a really incredible effort. I keep getting more and more impressed with it the more I listen to it. Just amazing.

As for The Bends being my favorite, well I guess it's partially the guitar. It's just so damn good, man. It's got some of my favorite songwriting, too. Tracks like Black Star, Sulk, My Iron Lung, and How Can You Be Sure (Japanese import B-side) are all so amazingly well conceived and well executed that it's hard for me to not fall in love with it all over again every time I listen to the album. But like I said, it's near impossible to rank their albums. I like different albums more than others every day. I guess it's just a matter of what I'm in the mood for. :)

[shadowfax]

"My Iron Lung" and the song "The Bends" are definitely two songs that are high up on my list of radiohead favorites. I just think that as an album on the whole it doesn't fit together as well as many of their others, of the which i think OK computer has the most overall continuity. that's all very subjective though, i freely admit :)

"this far
but no farther"

are probably my favorite lines in Backdrifts. the lyrics are so well constructed:

Backdrifts
We're rotten fruits
We're damaged goods
What the hell we've got nothing more to lose
One burst and we will probably crumble
We’re backdrifting

This far but no further
I'm hanging off a branch
I'm teetering on a breaker
Honey sweets so fall asleep
I'm backsliding

You fell into our arms
You fell into our arms
We tried but there was nothing we could do
Nothing we could do

All evidence has been married
Our tapes are bittering
But your footsteps give you a way
So you're backtracking

Uh uh uh, you fell into our arms
You fell into our arms
We tried but there was nothing we could do
Nothing we could do
You fell into our
You fell into a...

We're rotten fruit
We're damaged goods
What the hell we've got nothing more to lose
One burst and we will probably crumble
We're backdrifters

[000111one111000]

I'm just assuming the NIN CD will be out later this year. A month or so ago, Trent posted a message on the nin.com board that said something like "New NIN news coming soon!!" or something to that effect.

And from what I've heard, it's supposed to be more retro/hard/industrial/electronic sounding.

It'll be good though, whatever it is. I'm just sick of waiting 5 years in between each CD.

Pretty Hate Machine to The Downward Spiral. 5 years.

The Downward Spiral to The Fragile. 5 years.

The Fragile to the new album. 4, going on 5 years.

But, the good thing is, each album is pretty much a masterpiece, so I suppose it's ultimately worth the wait. :)


As for Bowie, I just wish he'd make an "Outside 2" album like he said he was thinking of doing at one point. That album is definately one of my favs. I lost my copy a couple years ago though, and now I can't find it anywhere. No CD stores around here have it, I can't order it because I have no credit card, and nobody on gnutella or kazaa or mldonkey seem to have it. :(

enoch

[wsteineker]

Shadow,
OK Computer is definitely their most coherent album to date. It's got a real unity that the others don't quite seem to have. As for the lyrics of Backdrifts, they're simply magnificent. I cannot say enough about the skill that it must have taken to craft such a solid song.

Binary Guy,
I'll definitely be looking out for a new NIN album, as it is about damn time for something to be released. You're dead on about Bowie. Some sort of Outside 2 would be a gem. He's proven consistently innovative for almost a quarter century, and I have no reason to believe he'll stop any time soon.

[amnesiac1984]

I think I'm going to have to change my name to hailtothethief1984, Its fast becoming my favoruite album and it is not even finished yet.

I have been downloading live versions for a while now so I know all the songs, hell I have even learned to play "there there", "I will" on my guitar. I iwll is one of my favourites and punch up at a wedding too, listen to thom's vocals in the second verse, i think there's mroe passion and emotion than in any of his previous recordings, it sends a shiver down my spine every time. I'm really pissed that I'm not goin gto see them live this year, anyone wanna give me some glastonbury tickets? they're £800 on ebay.!

[amnesiac1984]

Thought I'd post some of the bands reactions to the leaked recordings: from greenplastic.com

Jonny summed up how he felt when he was on the official message board recently: "So it turns out the leaked music is a stolen copy of early, unmixed edits and roughs - so we're kind of pissed off about it, to be honest. I see it like this (this is just me): there's napster-style file sharing of released music, then there's early internet distribution of what we at least consider to be a finished body of work. Then there's this - work we've not finished, being released in this sloppy way, ten weeks before the real version is even available. It doesn't even exist as a record yet.....

So yes, we're annoyed - the songs are good on the recordings, which you can hear. But we worked on them after this point until we were happy with them. This is why we're pissed off - we didn't give up on them in February (which is what you're hearing) and it's just a shame that, to your ears, we did. So of course people will still download them and hear them, I can understand the temptation. It's not you lot I'm pissed off about, it's just the situation I guess. It's stolen work, fer f*ck's sake.

What do you all think ? I know it'll come out for real eventually, and it'll all be fine, but I thought you all might as well know what's in my head...."

Nigel Godrich also made an appearance and said, "Hey listen, Its not that it's not mastered........ It's not mixed! Some of it isn't even finished. comprendez?"

Phil made an appearance on the official message board and had this to say:


"This is just a quick post. I too am disappointed that the album has already been uploaded onto the net. We don't like anybody to hear our recordings until we are completely happy with them. These mixes of the songs were still "work in progress'. As such, we wouldn't have chosen to present the album to people in this form. I feel that the recording process has been compromised for us. Its not that these mixes are bad, its just that the actual album is better - honest. Anyway, hope you're all well. Hopefully will see some of you on our travels over the next year. Take care xx".



As a musician I agree with them, its not nice having people hear your stuff when you don't feel its ready, but I still had to download it out of curiosity, and as fellow musician I can understand that its not finished and so not judge it as such, but f*ck me, when the final release is out it will blow us all away! :D

[adamcoop]

I'm hanging out for the new Goldfrapp album - the last one has been one of my favs since I first heard it.

I found live recordings of the complete "Hail To The Thief" set. Like any Radiohead album, I'll need to listen to it a few more times, but this has been the case with most of my favourite albums - actually, some of my favourites I hated the first time I heard them (Wilco's Being There, Drop City's This Heavenly Machine), only to pick them up 6 months later and love them.

It will also be interesting to hear polished, studio versions of the Hail To The Thief songs.

[howard]

yes i'm definitely waiting for a new NIN album. I know he's been working on it and wants to get it ready for a "fall release" but then he said "i don't know which year" this was a year ago when the live disc and still came out.

you guys have any more info about the new nin disc coming out?

[Foxer]

haven't heard any of the new stuff, and I'm on the road all week. I think my hotel tonight has a wi-fi network, so I'll have to check. Where are the files available?

Love The Bends. Love Kid A. Amensiac was fine. Pablo Honey is unremarkable. OK Computer is one of the two or three best albums of the 90's.

[neut]

pablo honey? did you wipe your ass?

000111one111000: still hanging around the nin rings eh? is there a nin con this year? i haven't been around in ages...


too bad i didn't wait to hear the unfinished tracks until after the official release. oh well.

btw- is "I Will" really the backwards song in "like spinning plates"?


peace.

[RBMaraman]

Radiohead is one of the most talented bands I have ever heard. I've been a fan ever since Pablo Honey came out, and I can't believe how much better each album gets. I have this fear that their next album won't be as good as the last, but once I pop in the CD, I am always blown away.

I haven't heard any songs from Hail To The Thief (I think it's wrong to use P2P services, and I would much rather hear the final mixes), and I don't plan on listening to any until I purchase the CD the day it comes out.

I love running to my favorite music store (Ear X-Tacy if anyone is from the Louisville, KY area), purchasing the CD, browsing through the stunning artwork that grazes the packaging, and popping that baby into my CD player. I can't wait!

As an added bonus, I'm studying abroad in the UK in the fall. I hope to catch them in concert sometime. I've never gotten to see them perform live.

Glad to see there are so many Radiohead fans here!

[amnesiac1984]

You'll be lucky to catch em live in the UK this year, their tour sould out in 12 hours.

The tickets are on ebay for almost as much as glastonbury tickets.

They are announcing gigs in the US tho.

[anneleonard]

to boast that me and mrjamin (my boyf) are going to see radiohead 26th november, earl's court, london - standing tickets, baby!!:D they sold out in just a couple of hours!

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by anneleonard
to boast that me and mrjamin (my boyf) are going to see radiohead 26th november, earl's court, london - standing tickets, baby!!:D they sold out in just a couple of hours!


Hehe, I got em as well!

EARLS COURT BABY, wooo, did you get them from the waste site?

The site was so overloaded took me ages to try and get an order through, and somehow I'd managed to buy 8, I've emailed them to see if thats okay and I'm allowed to stick with my order of 8, anyone wanna go to radiohead? I have extra, and I'm not selling at a profit cos Waste would kill me.

Edit: only kididng, I have about a million of my friends desperate to come. I should really put them before an internet message board, or is that not geeky enough?

[zarathustra]

This album is great. My favorites:

2+2=5
Where I end and you begin
Wolfs at the door

It's very good overall. OK Computer like, where I didn't love it at first, but now I can listen to it all day.

[Ambrose Chapel]

I listened to the live versions of all the new songs once last summer, and was not very impressed. Then when the unmixed versions leaked last month I listened once, and liked it a whole lot more. Yesterday, half the finished tracks leaked (I don't know why only half..) and I've been listening non-stop. 2+2=5 is stunning, like starrting to run, hitting full speed, and jumping straight off a cliff. Sail to the Moon and Scatterbrain are both gorgeous. Go To Sleep and Punch-Up are pretty groove-y, Myxomatosis is ugly in the best way, and Sit Down Stand Up is creepy as hell. And There There won't get out of my head.

Can't wait for the real thing to come out to see the artwork, although I'm going to be on the road for work most of June. Do they have record stores in Omaha? :p

[zed]

Originally posted by 000111one111000
I'm just sick of waiting 5 years in between each CD.

Pretty Hate Machine to The Downward Spiral. 5 years.

The Downward Spiral to The Fragile. 5 years.

The Fragile to the new album. 4, going on 5 years.

But, the good thing is, each album is pretty much a masterpiece, so I suppose it's ultimately worth the wait. :)


Hey, you cant forget about Broken, as I think it shows the progression between Pretty Hate Machine and The Downward Spiral.... I used to be a huge NIN fan... and you are right, waiting this long between albums is a real bummer.

For this threads sake, I also love Radiohead. Ok computer is my fav and I will definitely be getting the new one. I also plan to buy Kid A (even though I have the aac's, courtesy of a friends cd) if for no other reason then to get the album artwork :)

[anneleonard]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
Hehe, I got em as well!

EARLS COURT BABY, wooo, did you get them from the waste site?

The site was so overloaded took me ages to try and get an order through.

Yeah we got it from the waste site. I'm on their mailing list. It was a bit of a nightmare, what with "please enter the password to access this site" because of server overload. ben (mrjamin) & i were both trying to access the pages, and he got through before me so he entered my credit card details and we managed to get the confirmation email at 12:07am, only order number 238! some friends of ours wanted tickets too so ben tried until the early hours to get through for them. It was really exciting though!

[mrjamin]

Originally posted by anneleonard
Yeah we got it from the waste site. I'm on their mailing list. It was a bit of a nightmare, what with "please enter the password to access this site" because of server overload. ben (mrjamin) & i were both trying to access the pages, and he got through before me so he entered my credit card details and we managed to get the confirmation email at 12:07am, only order number 238! some friends of ours wanted tickets too so ben tried until the early hours to get through for them. It was really exciting though!

damn right - i'm knackered! I ended up with 3 different peoples card details infront of me and managed to get a pair of tickets every hour on average. the gig had better be worth it...

Exciting? no. Tiring? Yes. Gonna get RSI from hiiting F5 and Esc too much? Definately

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by anneleonard
Yeah we got it from the waste site. I'm on their mailing list. It was a bit of a nightmare, what with "please enter the password to access this site" because of server overload. ben (mrjamin) & i were both trying to access the pages, and he got through before me so he entered my credit card details and we managed to get the confirmation email at 12:07am, only order number 238! some friends of ours wanted tickets too so ben tried until the early hours to get through for them. It was really exciting though!

I would have got an order through at about 3 past but i forgot to put my expiry date in and screwed up the order. It then ttook me 25 minutes to get back again and reorder, ended up somehow ordering 8, i kept trying to delete my basket and got every kind of sql error imagineable, then when I found I had 8 in my basket I thought I may as well try to go for those tickets so I went and ckecked out with
order num 782 i guess, although it may have been 300782 but I doubt it, got the email at 0019 too which was good.

[anneleonard]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
I would have got an order through at about 3 past but i forgot...

Ooh sounds harsh! For some reason Safari chose that moment to have a bit of a flib and loop round to the london page once i'd chosen how many tickets i wanted.

I'm sure you'll find people who want the tickets- if not, there's always ebay! You'd definitely get your money back, but I reckon a lot of the tickets sold early this morning will be appearing on ebay soon, so people might not make an excessive amount on each ticket if they're looking to make a tidy profit. If it was a smaller venue that would be different I think. yes your order was 782, the three stands for london i think. I'm listening to some mp3s of a live gig in oxford, man I cannot wait, I've liked radiohead since the creep days, even though i didn't really get into them until The Bends (circa 1995). Its still my favourite album, closely followed by OK Computer. I really like Hail to the Thief, there's some gems on there, particularly the dulcet harmonies of "I will":D. Looking forward to receiving the CD lim.ed. I'm having a full-on Radiohead afternoon, its pukka.

[comrade]

Favorite songs of the album:

Scatterbrain
Where I End and You Begin
Backdrifts
Go to Sleep

Great album, kinda like a hybrid of the last two electronic ones with OK Computer, which is my favorite of all of theirs. Nothing can touch it. NOTHING!

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by anneleonard
Ooh sounds harsh! For some reason Safari chose that moment to have a bit of a flib and loop round to the london page once i'd chosen how many tickets i wanted.

I'm sure you'll find people who want the tickets- if not, there's always ebay! You'd definitely get your money back, but I reckon a lot of the tickets sold early this morning will be appearing on ebay soon, so people might not make an excessive amount on each ticket if they're looking to make a tidy profit. If it was a smaller venue that would be different I think. yes your order was 782, the three stands for london i think. I'm listening to some mp3s of a live gig in oxford, man I cannot wait, I've liked radiohead since the creep days, even though i didn't really get into them until The Bends (circa 1995). Its still my favourite album, closely followed by OK Computer. I really like Hail to the Thief, there's some gems on there, particularly the dulcet harmonies of "I will":D. Looking forward to receiving the CD lim.ed. I'm having a full-on Radiohead afternoon, its pukka.

Me Too, Although that was more in the early hours of this morning when I attempted to record a cover version of I Will to submit to the cloudcuckooland radiohead cover project, you can find a link at greenplastic.com in hte news.

AS an addition to your afternoon, why not read my over excited and rather zeolous review of hail to the thief on my site (http://homepage.mac.com/idioteque/retrac2)

[comrade]

Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel
I listened to the live versions of all the new songs once last summer, and was not very impressed. Then when the unmixed versions leaked last month I listened once, and liked it a whole lot more. Yesterday, half the finished tracks leaked (I don't know why only half..) and I've been listening non-stop. 2+2=5 is stunning, like starrting to run, hitting full speed, and jumping straight off a cliff. Sail to the Moon and Scatterbrain are both gorgeous. Go To Sleep and Punch-Up are pretty groove-y, Myxomatosis is ugly in the best way, and Sit Down Stand Up is creepy as hell. And There There won't get out of my head.

Can't wait for the real thing to come out to see the artwork, although I'm going to be on the road for work most of June. Do they have record stores in Omaha? :p

So, wait.... There are more polished versions that have come out since the ones people may have possibly obtained about 2 months ago? Man, and I thought those sounded finished.

[shadowfax]

what do you guys think of myxomatosis? seems like one of their biggest departures on the album, other than 2+2=5, which is totally derivative of The Dismemberment Plan.

[andrewlandry]

my current favorites are 'where i end and you begin' and 'backdrifts', but i really like the whole thing. it didn't knock me out on first listen, but i really like it and can't wait until it really comes out as i'd like to have nice quality AAC files from it etc.

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
what do you guys think of myxomatosis? seems like one of their biggest departures on the album, other than 2+2=5, which is totally derivative of The Dismemberment Plan.

It reminds me of their fasiled song reckoner, you ever heard that? You could get a live mp3 of it, they later said it was their worst ever song, myx however is great. I love the bit that goes, "I must have got mixed up, strangled, beaten up"

[Ambrose Chapel]

Originally posted by comrade
So, wait.... There are more polished versions that have come out since the ones people may have possibly obtained about 2 months ago? Man, and I thought those sounded finished.

The tracks that leaked last month or whenever it was were unmixed, unfinished. Now that the promo copies of the album have been released it was inevitable that the finished songs would leak. Yesterday half of them hit the web. Still waiting for the other half.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by andrewlandry
my current favorites are 'where i end and you begin' and 'backdrifts', but i really like the whole thing. it didn't knock me out on first listen, but i really like it and can't wait until it really comes out as i'd like to have nice quality AAC files from it etc. Radiohead is a "grow-on-you" band in just about every way; i have heard very few songs of theirs that i just absolutely loved at first, and the ones i did, i like less now. their very best stuff takes a 4th, 5th, hell, maybe a 10th listen before you really get into it. as Woody Allen said of 2001: A Space Odyssey, "I had to watch it three times before i realized i liked it."

amnesiac--that's an awesome line. i like the transition over these best though:
"but it got edited f*cked up
strangled/beaten up
used in a photo in Time magazine
buried in a burning black hole in Devon"

[Ambrose Chapel]

the whole album is now available. check the main forum on the at ease fansite for links.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel
the whole album is now available. check the main forum on the at ease fansite for links. is that in final form and legal? i can't imagine it is. the stolen demo album has been around for a long time now.

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
is that in final form and legal? i can't imagine it is. the stolen demo album has been around for a long time now.

it is different than the ones I've had for months, my bet is its the final version.

The tracks are louder and brighter when compared to the older ones and i can hear new instruments and wolf at the door has a second vocal line in the chorus.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
it is different than the ones I've had for months, my bet is its the final version.

The tracks are louder and brighter when compared to the older ones and i can hear new instruments and wolf at the door has a second vocal line in the chorus. where do you get it now? link?

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
where do you get it now? link?

http://poubellelqt.free.fr/httt/

[shadowfax]

cool, thanks

[pseudobrit]

Wow. I'm a big RH fan and I totally missed the info on this album release.

Thanks to this thread though, I d/l'd the whole thing and am addicted to it!

Anyone else notice there are quite a few lyrics referencing the presidency of GW Bush in addition to the album title?

[Ambrose Chapel]

Anyone else notice there are quite a few lyrics referencing the presidency of GW Bush in addition to the album title?

like the line in sail to the moon - "maybe you'll be president...but know right from wrong."

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by pseudobrit
Anyone else notice there are quite a few lyrics referencing the presidency of GW Bush in addition to the album title? "bully in a china shop"?

[Jaykay]

mmmmmmmmm...

Just saw radiohead in belfast, excellent gig, they played lots of stuff from the new album. (and an excellent album it is too, i like 2+2=5)

Got my tickest to see them in december in dublin as well..... Cant wait.

[pseudobrit]

Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel
like the line in sail to the moon - "maybe you'll be president...but know right from wrong."

"january has april showers" It rained all day on Inauguration Day.

"We dont really want a monster taking over/ tip toeing, tying down/ we don?t want the loonies takin? over"

"in a tight little world and why are you on the list? stepford wives who are we to complain? investments and dealers investments and dealers cold wives and mistresses cold wives and sunday papers. city boys in first class don't know we're born little someone else is gonna come and clean it up born and raised for the job someone else always does always pick it up get over get up get over turn the tape off."

[shadowfax]

all this anti-bushism is interesting... it really makes me reevaluate the songs to realize what they mean in context to that, but what else do you guys see in this? what other big issues do you think they are taking on?

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
all this anti-bushism is interesting... it really makes me reevaluate the songs to realize what they mean in context to that, but what else do you guys see in this? what other big issues do you think they are taking on?

what'd you think they meant by "hail to the thief"??? ;)

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
what'd you think they meant by "hail to the thief"??? ;) one thought was the george bush thing, and i can't really think of what else they could mean, if just because of the brain block of knowing about bush--you know, when someone tells you how to interpret something, you can't think of alternate ways, because you know one already?

[pseudobrit]

I'm almost positive the title is in reference to Bush. Yorke has been very outspoken against him, even (especially) during the war, without getting Dixie Chicked.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by pseudobrit
I'm almost positive the title is in reference to Bush. Yorke has been very outspoken against him, even (especially) during the war, without getting Dixie Chicked. I agree. it definitely is, but i am just curious as to whether that has deeper/alternate meaning--or anything else, of course, in the album. i mean, i think it would be kinda pathetic for it all to be about bush. that's more tribute than he needs.

[pseudobrit]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
I agree. it definitely is, but i am just curious as to whether that has deeper/alternate meaning--or anything else, of course, in the album. i mean, i think it would be kinda pathetic for it all to be about bush. that's more tribute than he needs.

We may never know. There are other things touched upon in the album, like the corporate climate, etc. usual Radiohead targets.

I've never really heard Thom dissect a song and explain the meaning before, have you?

[Ambrose Chapel]

There's a story about them in Spin magazine - someone posted this bit:

thom does the usual defense of the title 'hail to the thief' and says that its about much more than just gwb, including references to dante and 'stealing people's souls from them before they're dead.'

[Illmatic]

If only all of you could have seen the smile on my face when I saw a thread for Radiohead. I almost jumped out of my chair. In all the times I have seen people post their favorite bands/albums I rarely saw someone mention Radiohead and was quite surprised. First off this new album is already amazing without even being friggin mixed. Myx is by far the best song on that album...but the Gloaming, Where I End and You Begin, A Drunken Punch Up and 2 + 2 = 5 could easily take the cake after the final mix. To me this album feels like the best of OK Computer and Kid A put together. Like someone else mentioned it is GREAT to finally hear a little bit of guitar again. As always I think Radiohead is so far ahead of what everyone else is doing and this album should only prove that again and again. As far as my favorite albums it would have to go Kid A, Ok Computer, The Bends, Amnesiac and then Pablo Honey. Hail to the Thief will certainly be Top 3 once I hear it on some Bose speakers at full volume in my car. I CAN'T WAIT.

Also I noticed that nobody said anything about going to Field Day Fest in Long Island. WHAT A LINEUP...Radiohead, Sigur Ros, Beck, Beastie Boys, The Roots etc.

and for those of you who havent heard Sigur Ros...if you like Radiohead you will love them.

[wdlove]

A song is after all a form of art. It seems that most artist's don't explain the meaning behind their art. They prefer to leave the interpretation to the individual that is enjoying the art.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by pseudobrit
We may never know. There are other things touched upon in the album, like the corporate climate, etc. usual Radiohead targets.

I've never really heard Thom dissect a song and explain the meaning before, have you? i've read small commentaries by him and other band members at greenplastic, but never much, and thankfully so--i am not looking for their interpretations; when artists do that, it ruins the whole fun of it. I am interested to see others' interpretations

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by Illmatic
If only all of you could have seen the smile on my face when I saw a thread for Radiohead. I almost jumped out of my chair. In all the times I have seen people post their favorite bands/albums I rarely saw someone mention Radiohead and was quite surprised. First off this new album is already amazing without even being friggin mixed. Myx is by far the best song on that album...but the Gloaming, Where I End and You Begin, A Drunken Punch Up and 2 + 2 = 5 could easily take the cake after the final mix. To me this album feels like the best of OK Computer and Kid A put together. Like someone else mentioned it is GREAT to finally hear a little bit of guitar again. As always I think Radiohead is so far ahead of what everyone else is doing and this album should only prove that again and again. As far as my favorite albums it would have to go Kid A, Ok Computer, The Bends, Amnesiac and then Pablo Honey. Hail to the Thief will certainly be Top 3 once I hear it on some Bose speakers at full volume in my car. I CAN'T WAIT.

Also I noticed that nobody said anything about going to Field Day Fest in Long Island. WHAT A LINEUP...Radiohead, Sigur Ros, Beck, Beastie Boys, The Roots etc.

and for those of you who havent heard Sigur Ros...if you like Radiohead you will love them. thanks for posting, dude.

you bastard, now i want to go to New York!

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel
There's a story about them in Spin magazine - someone posted this bit: is that like a reference to the Inferno, or something else? anyone here know enough Dante to explain that?

[Ambrose Chapel]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
is that like a reference to the Inferno, or something else? anyone here know enough Dante to explain that?

It's from one of the last cantos in the Inferno...those who betrayed their friends or guests were punished by having their souls sent to hell before they died (it happened as soon as they committed the betrayal). a demon inhabited their bodies for the rest of their lifetime, while their souls were in the frozen lake right next to satan.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel
It's from one of the last cantos in the Inferno...those who betrayed their friends or guests were punished by having their souls sent to hell before they died (it happened as soon as they committed the betrayal). a demon inhabited their bodies for the rest of their lifetime, while their souls were in the frozen lake right next to satan. so in context, the thief is then Satan... whom they must be comparing also to GW? LOL. bit overboard, perhaps.

[shadowfax]

on the other end of the spectrum...

"and he shall come like a thief in the night."

probably not?

[Illmatic]

http://www.pecknology.net/storage/httt/httt.html

good great speeds...enjoy but remember to buy the album when it comes out even if you just buy it for the artwork.

[trebblekicked]

i'm late...

i just got my advance of the album. it's pretty damn good. it's going to take me a while to get into it, and i don't have a track listing, so it's hard for me to get into specifics. it seems to work better than amesiac or kid a did, and it's just as experimental (i guess is the word) etc. but first listen sounds good.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by Illmatic
http://www.pecknology.net/storage/httt/httt.html

good great speeds...enjoy but remember to buy the album when it comes out even if you just buy it for the artwork. haha, this will be like my third time to download this album. i am not sure the last one i DLed was the mastered copy or not. i'll find out soon enough.

yes, buy the damned album on July 10 or my curses shall visit you. you'll not be finding another band more worth your money. i don't care if you want album art or not. BUY IT.

[pivo6]

After reading all of the posts about this album and group, I feel that I must buy it when it comes out ( I guess July 10th from previous post). I haven't heard any of their previous music so this will be my first. I'm on dial-up, so i won't even ry to download it. From what everyone is saying, my money will be well spent.

[Ambrose Chapel]

Has anyone seen any details about the limited edition CD? it's supposed to be some kind of fold-out road map but i haven't seen any good description of what it actually looks like. I'm trying to decide whether to get that one or the regular jewel box CD.

[Ambrose Chapel]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
so in context, the thief is then Satan... whom they must be comparing also to GW? LOL. bit overboard, perhaps.

Well, it's interesting. In the Inferno, Satan is just another punished soul, albeit the one furthest down, furthest away from God. He's frozen in ice, weeping, and has 3 mouths, each of which is chewing on the worst of the traitors - Brutus, Judas, and Cassius. He doesn't even get a lot of lines written about him...certainly not compared to many others who Dante stops to talk with as they travel through Hell. So, it's not like Satan is giving orders ala the prez.

Inferno is great; you should read it sometime. Purgatorio is really good too, but I could never get into Paradiso.

[Ambrose Chapel]

This is from an article/interview with the band in a UK paper:

The line 'Hail to the thief' appears in the album's first song, 2+2=5. Yorke first heard it on Radio 4, during a discussion of a previous president, John Quincy Adams, 'whose father stole him the election and who was known as the Thief throughout his presidency. It struck me as the most amazing, powerful phrase, regardless of the circumstances. It will annnoy me if people say it's a direct protest because I feel really strongly that we didn't write a protest record, we didn't write a political record.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2003/05/17/bmradio17.xml&sSheet=/arts/2003/05/24/ixmusictop.html

[pseudobrit]

Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel
Has anyone seen any details about the limited edition CD? it's supposed to be some kind of fold-out road map but i haven't seen any good description of what it actually looks like. I'm trying to decide whether to get that one or the regular jewel box CD.

That's the one I bought (pre-order from Amazon today).

The release date in the US is June 10, not July. It's released in Japan tomorrow, Europe on June 9, except for the Netherlands on June 6.

Two weeks, folks, two weeks.

[amnesiac1984]

There There Single out tomorrow :) :) :)

Well in the UK anyway.

I'm just listening to the B-Sides from that Download site.

Paperbag writer is cool, not heard the other one yet.

The lyrics are similar to soe random stuff I've seen written by THom years ago from the Greenplastic website in the life philosophy section.

WHat dy'all fink about da bsides den?

[pseudobrit]

I think sales of this album will be awesome, like Kid A, specifically because it leaked to the 'net before the release.

Now that I've bought the album, I don't feel so bad about listening to it all the time :)

[beatle888]

Originally posted by 000111one111000
I heard Bowie is gonna have another album, possibly coming out this year.

i believe it will be out in fall. janes addiction is coming out with a new one in a few months. i love that band live. and all the icandy with the incredibly sexy dancers in those hot pants extreme, i love it. they have such a pagan type quality to their shows, its intoxicating.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
There There Single out tomorrow :) :) :)

Well in the UK anyway.

I'm just listening to the B-Sides from that Download site.

Paperbag writer is cool, not heard the other one yet.

The lyrics are similar to soe random stuff I've seen written by THom years ago from the Greenplastic website in the life philosophy section.

WHat dy'all fink about da bsides den? paperbag writer is pertty groovy, kinda makes me think a bit of some of the technoish stuff on Airbag/How Am I Driving, like "Meeting in the Aisle," with a flow as funky as "The Gloaming," albeit rather different. where bluebirds fly is rather similar to my ears. i can't make out enough of the words to figure out what he's saying, and i am as yet too lazy to get to greenplastic and check them out. but i like them, i like them.

is paperbag writer supposed to make me think of paperback writer, by the beatles? 'cos i sure did...

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
paperbag writer is pertty groovy, kinda makes me think a bit of some of the technoish stuff on Airbag/How Am I Driving, like "Meeting in the Aisle," with a flow as funky as "The Gloaming," albeit rather different. where bluebirds fly is rather similar to my ears. i can't make out enough of the words to figure out what he's saying, and i am as yet too lazy to get to greenplastic and check them out. but i like them, i like them.

is paperbag writer supposed to make me think of paperback writer, by the beatles? 'cos i sure did...

I think it probably is, but only in the name. The lyrics go something along the line of "go home, blow into this paper bag and wipe that grin off your face"

Part of a little verse i read in the life philosophy section of green plastic.com

[Ambrose Chapel]

I'm sure Paperbag Writer (the name anyway) is a nod to the Beatles..

I love that song! Reminds me of Talk Show Host but funkier. That string sample is great too.

Blubirds is ok..pleasant enough.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel
Inferno is great; you should read it sometime. Purgatorio is really good too, but I could never get into Paradiso. i just finished Tom Clancy's rainbow six (OK) and Joseph Heller's Good as Gold this weekend, so i am picking up Inferno as my next book. my dad has a bilingual copy. too bad i know know Latin, or whatever he wrote it in.

[amnesiac1984]

Hey all, to here an very interesting front row interview with thom yorke about the new album click here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/frontrow/frontrow.shtml)

edit: here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/frontrow/ram/2003/frontrow20030529_radiohead.ram) is a direct link to the .ram

[Bengt77]

Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel
Inferno is great; you should read it sometime. Purgatorio is really good too, but I could never get into Paradiso.

It's not that hard. Just fly to Schiphol, take the train to Amsterdam Centraal and take tram 1, 2 or 5. Get out at the Leidseplein. Then walk to the Weteringschans and there you are: Paradiso. Tickets aren't extraordinarily priced, door policy is good. Greatest concert hall in the Netherlands, bar none. Really.

Oh, no sh*t; you meant the book?! Awwww...

;)

[shadowfax]

5 days left! sweetness!

if i order online, will i get the CD the day it comes out, or not? i am thinking it would be better to just go grab it from best buy or something. i was considering a preorder, but it sounds like they are going to be having a LOT of them in stock, at least at the bookstore i asked.

[MrMacMan]

This CD doesn't sound anything like their others... I think it aint a good turn.

[pseudobrit]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
5 days left! sweetness!

if i order online, will i get the CD the day it comes out, or not? i am thinking it would be better to just go grab it from best buy or something. i was considering a preorder, but it sounds like they are going to be having a LOT of them in stock, at least at the bookstore i asked.

I downloaded the whole thing and ordered it from Amazon with the Super Saver shipping, so I'm expecting to have the (limited edition) CD in my possession by the following Monday, but wouldn't be surprised if it showed up before the weekend. Either way, I've had the music itself for about a month now, so it won't bother me to wait a few days. It beats supporting those $18-20 ripoff prices at most places.

[pseudobrit]

Originally posted by MrMacman
This CD doesn't sound anything like their others... I think it aint a good turn.

I think it sounds, like many have said, like a cross between OK Computer and Kid A/Amnesiac. Which is a pleasant blend. Radiohead has a certian grow-on-you factor where the longer you listen to an okay song the more it becomes a wonderous song.

[Ambrose Chapel]

Originally posted by Bengt77
It's not that hard. Just fly to Schiphol, take the train to Amsterdam Centraal and take tram 1, 2 or 5. Get out at the Leidseplein. Then walk to the Weteringschans and there you are: Paradiso. Tickets aren't extraordinarily priced, door policy is good. Greatest concert hall in the Netherlands, bar none. Really.

Can you put me down on the guest list +1?
:D

What about the Melkweg?

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by MrMacman
This CD doesn't sound anything like their others... I think it aint a good turn. hey, don't come into my thread and start insulting my favorite band. and if you must, you darn well better come up with a better argument than that. first, though, try reading this thread. it's not very long.

[vniow]

When does the album come out?

*hopes she has an extra $13 or so to buy it when its avalible*

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by pseudobrit
I downloaded the whole thing and ordered it from Amazon with the Super Saver shipping, so I'm expecting to have the (limited edition) CD in my possession by the following Monday, but wouldn't be surprised if it showed up before the weekend. Either way, I've had the music itself for about a month now, so it won't bother me to wait a few days. It beats supporting those $18-20 ripoff prices at most places. hm. i think i'll go for best buy, they usually have pretty reasonable CD prices, compared to places like Barnes and Noble :rolleyes:

i've had the album for well over a month now, nigh on 2 actually, i think. yeah, since early March on the first version that got released. lol! still excited to get to hold the album itself and flip through the art.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by vniow
When does the album come out?

*hopes she has an extra $13 or so to buy it when its avalible* you'll find it all over on june the tenth, babe!

[mrjamin]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
you'll find it all over on june the tenth, babe!

man, i so can't wait!

I didn't realise radiohead were so big in the states!

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by mrjamin
man, i so can't wait!

I didn't realise radiohead were so big in the states! it surprises me how huge their fan base is here. i have almost never heard them on any radio station, and when i do it's "creep" or something else that is rather mediocre (compared to their other work at least). they seem to prefer it that way though. at any rate, almost all my friends love them to death, and i rarely meet people who haven't heard of them (and that's saying a hell of a lot for a band that doesn't make it to the radio much).

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
it surprises me how huge their fan base is here. i have almost never heard them on any radio station, and when i do it's "creep" or something else that is rather mediocre (compared to their other work at least). they seem to prefer it that way though. at any rate, almost all my friends love them to death, and i rarely meet people who haven't heard of them (and that's saying a hell of a lot for a band that doesn't make it to the radio much).

yeah, my housemate that I just moved away from hadn't heard em, strange, she was the only one I got on with, and she didn;t have music tastes anywhere near as good as mine :D

Their fan base is huge, remember how they got big in the first place, creep was a mega hit in romania i think, then it re-entered the charts in the western world after being big in romania, crazy.

I find I meet people who either think they are too depressing :rolleyes: or love em to bits or have never heard of them.

Its true, some people are completely controlled by radio playlists when it comes to music tastes and anything htat isn't a happy tune that is catchy is **** in their eyes, but on further onvo with those ppl you find there is more to life than music, who would have thought?

btw, sorry for crap typing , I am wasted, :D

[shadowfax]

i think it is time to resurrect this thread, as there is just one more day. i'll be up by 9:00 AM tomorrow, over at the store of my choice, just waiting to burst in and seize my new album. i can't wait to flip through the album art. i'll probably scan it and make me some wallpapers to go with all my Rena Tanaka/Zhang Ziyi stuff. :D

anyways, when you get the album, be sure and report back anything of interest, whether it be commentary on their album art or another review of the album if you haven't heard it before.

[Foxer]

can't wait. of course, I'll buy it at lunch but won't be able to listen to it unitl my commute home!

I downloaded it back when it first hit, but to be honest, I never listened to it. (Itunes is set to random, and none of the new tracks ever came up.) Once the official release date was announced, I just decided to wait.

[pseudobrit]

I'll let you know if there's anything special about the limited edition CD.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by pseudobrit
I'll let you know if there's anything special about the limited edition CD. that's the one i am getting tomorrow, for sure. guy at Borders said they would have it, though i am wanting to get it from Best Buy if they do, as their prices are usually cheaper.

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
that's the one i am getting tomorrow, for sure. guy at Borders said they would have it, though i am wanting to get it from Best Buy if they do, as their prices are usually cheaper.

those bastards over at amazon didn't bother emailing me that my credit card was entered wrong when I ordered over a month ago. Now its got to be reviseed and won't arrive until wednesday at the earliest :(

edit: **** **** **** **** !!! (thanks shadowfax)

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
those bastards over at amazon didn't bother emailing me that my credit card was entered wrong when I ordered over a month ago. Now its got to be reviseed and won't arrive until wednesday at the earliest :(

edit: **** **** **** **** !!! (thanks shadowfax)

yeah, just let it out. and leave us wondering just what the words are (except me of course).

you should write them a nasty letter about how they should have notified you sooner and cancel your order and get it elsewhere.

[shadowfax]

took my debit card down to Best Buy this afternoon (not morning, i slept late :()

i got the special edition. it was "$15.99" on the label, and it was the very last one there. they had literally hundreds of the regular CD though, for $13.99.

well the guy rang it up at the checkout, and the total came to $14.03 :confused:

when i asked, he was like whatever. so i got the special edition for less than the regular should have cost me :)

it's cool, there is like this poster in it, and they added parentheses to the titles that have cool additions. they act as legends, as the original titles aren't listed in the listing of the lyrics, only the parenthesized parts of the titles. cool idea.

i ripped it as AAC... watch it on that CDDB. they screwed up 2 of the titles. on "Backdrifts," "Honeymoon" is misspelled as "Haneymoon," and on "Scatterbrain," "Dead as Leaves" has the typo "Deadf as Leaves," i believe. careful!

otherwise, please, somebody go buy this who hasn't heard it and give us some new feedback :)

[pivo6]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
took my debit card down to Best Buy this afternoon (not morning, i slept late :()

i got the special edition. it was "$15.99" on the label, and it was the very last one there. they had literally hundreds of the regular CD though, for $13.99.

well the guy rang it up at the checkout, and the total came to $14.03 :confused:

when i asked, he was like whatever. so i got the special edition for less than the regular should have cost me :)

it's cool, there is like this poster in it, and they added parentheses to the titles that have cool additions. they act as legends, as the original titles aren't listed in the listing of the lyrics, only the parenthesized parts of the titles. cool idea.

i ripped it as AAC... watch it on that CDDB. they screwed up 2 of the titles. on "Backdrifts," "Honeymoon" is misspelled as "Haneymoon," and on "Scatterbrain," "Dead as Leaves" has the typo "Deadf as Leaves," i believe. careful!

otherwise, please, somebody go buy this who hasn't heard it and give us some new feedback :)

I just bought the special edition this morning and I'm now just getting a chance to listen to it. Best Buy is having a $2.00 off sale on all Radiohead cd's this week only. That's why you only paid $12.99 plus tax. The regular is going for $9.99 after discount.

I ran CDDB and I didn't get the same errors as you did.

so far 2+2=5 I like.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by pivo6
I just bought the special edition this morning and I'm now just getting a chance to listen to it. Best Buy is having a $2.00 off sale on all Radiohead cd's this week only. That's why you only paid $12.99 plus tax. The regular is going for $9.99 after discount.

I ran CDDB and I didn't get the same errors as you did.

so far 2+2=5 I like. ah, cool. what about Myxomatosis?

[ozubahn]

So I take it the US release isn't copy protected?

I went to buy HTTT here in Japan and both the normal edition and the limited edition are iPod-impaired. I didn't buy it because I don't actually own a CD player, but I'll find a way to get it from the US if I have to. If it is copy protected, then I'll have to add this to the list of albums that I have been unable to buy legitimately. :mad:

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by ozubahn
So I take it the US release isn't copy protected?

I went to buy HTTT here in Japan and both the normal edition and the limited edition are iPod-impaired. I didn't buy it because I don't actually own a CD player, but I'll find a way to get it from the US if I have to. If it is copy protected, then I'll have to add this to the list of albums that I have been unable to buy legitimately. :mad: dude, if you have broadband, just go buy the album, or promise me you will, and i will send you my AACs of it over AIM, sn: Sh4d0wf4x.

[pivo6]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
ah, cool. what about Myxomatosis?
Myxomatosis isn't bad, but it's not my favorite at this time. I do like the lyrics though, which made me look up the word myxomatosis which is some kind of disease for rabbits. I haven't quite figured how that fits in with the song.

This is my first Radiohead CD that I have listened to. I had to buy it after everyones comments. I can't compare it to other Radiohead albums, but I do like this one. It certainly isn't a CD made for commercial radio, which in my eyes in a good thing.

[pseudobrit]

Originally posted by pivo6
I do like the lyrics though, which made me look up the word myxomatosis which is some kind of disease for rabbits. I haven't quite figured how that fits in with the song.

I was thinking of Yorke's work with UNKLE... "Rabbit In My Headlights" (awesome video, BTW)

[rmac]

This may have come up in this long thread already, but did anyone else notice that Radiohead had half of OK Computer up when the the iTMS first came out....now nothing. Is this a result of them being upset about their work getting out unfinished? ...not that that would be Apple's fault, but maybe they're associating it with file sharing.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by rmac
This may have come up in this long thread already, but did anyone else notice that Radiohead had half of OK Computer up when the the iTMS first came out....now nothing. Is this a result of them being upset about their work getting out unfinished? ...not that that would be Apple's fault, but maybe they're associating it with file sharing. in the interview with them about the leak, they said they could understand filesharing, but that they really didn't appreciate taking their unfinished studio work. i don't think they're pissed about that. but then i don't know why they would cut their music from the store.

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
in the interview with them about the leak, they said they could understand filesharing, but that they really didn't appreciate taking their unfinished studio work. i don't think they're pissed about that. but then i don't know why they would cut their music from the store.

Its probably just not up to them. This has happened before.

Myxamatosis is a disease in Rabbits which is quite common over here, you often see a lame salivating and generally poor looking rabbit in the road out in the country. There was quite a significant outbreak a few years ago. The song taken literally is sort of like describing the symptoms but of course there is far more meaning in it than that.


Pivo6, you really should get the other albums, they are all awesome, none of it was ever made for radio, although in the early days it was played on the radio lots cos radio used to be for good music, sometimes.

[pivo6]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
Its probably just not up to them. This has happened before.

Myxamatosis is a disease in Rabbits which is quite common over here, you often see a lame salivating and generally poor looking rabbit in the road out in the country. There was quite a significant outbreak a few years ago. The song taken literally is sort of like describing the symptoms but of course there is far more meaning in it than that.


Pivo6, you really should get the other albums, they are all awesome, none of it was ever made for radio, although in the early days it was played on the radio lots cos radio used to be for good music, sometimes.

Do you have a recommendation of where to start? I'd rather not buy them all at once.

Sorry to hear about your rabbits. I thought that mad cow was bad enough.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by pivo6
Do you have a recommendation of where to start? I'd rather not buy them all at once.

Sorry to hear about your rabbits. I thought that mad cow was bad enough. i own all but Pablo Honey myself, whic is the last one you probably want to get. it's OK, but by far their least interesting one, at least to me. i would say you want OK, Computer, first. and then probably Amnesiac or Kid A. those should be your next 2, in either order. then, say, The Bends and then Pablo Honey if you want it. that's just my opinion though. i think most people would agree that OK computer should be the first at the least.

[shecky]

this is a review of the album i posted on another forum. take it as you will. note: i am not a very good music reviewer.

i have been a HUGE radiohead fan since "the bends" Like most fans i was eagerly awaiting their newest release Hail to the Thief (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000092ZYX/qid=1055472314/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/102-0797342-3663305?v=glance&s=music&n=507846) Now i have given it a few listen throughs and it is very radiohead - eclectic, wandering, yet somehow a cohesive whole with an overriding melodrama we have come to expect from the band.

radiohead is like a fungus: it grows on you. i did not love this album the 1st listen thru, i was somewhat ambivalent about it actually. however, like every album before it, it gets better every time i listen to it. i recall similar feelings about "ok computer" and "kid a" as well. this is a bit more rock & roll than "ok computer" and a bit less electronic than "kid a" and more of a progression from "amnesiac" which was their last release.

the album starts almost light with the 1st chords of "2+2=5" and then suddenly hardens at about 1:54 into the album with Thom Yorke's sudden wail and hard guitar riffs that almost explode out of the speakers. This is a familiar theme in this album: soft then hard, yet it ties together well. some highlights from the album include "Where i end and you begin," as much a single as anything else on the album, great riff & baseline. - this is the song i first found myself singing along to...well..ok..not singing..more..wailing along to. My favorite track may be "myxomatosis," an electronic power chord symphony, or possibly "go to sleep" a true rock and roll song unfettered by electronica.

like most radiohead albums you need to really view it as a whole and in repetition before you "get it." This is not my favorite album from them yet but it does have a lot of potential. I have been listening to the others for so long that this album needs time to ferment in my brain.

RATEING: 7/10

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
i own all but Pablo Honey myself, whic is the last one you probably want to get. it's OK, but by far their least interesting one, at least to me. i would say you want OK, Computer, first. and then probably Amnesiac or Kid A. those should be your next 2, in either order. then, say, The Bends and then Pablo Honey if you want it. that's just my opinion though. i think most people would agree that OK computer should be the first at the least.

Shadow, give Pablo Honey another chance. It absolutely rocks IMO. Okay so its not so individual as their other albums and some see it as not that revolutionary and just another nirvana-a-like but If you listen to it its got the same attention to detail as other albums with the three guitar parts always going. If you want to know how radiohead plays good guitar rock, forget the bends this is the album you want to listen to. Okay so its got songs that I still haven't got into, well one actually, but its also full of amazing songs. Anyone can Play guitar is incredible. You is amazing, Blow Out is possibly one of my all time favourtie songs, I can't. lurgee, all good stuff. seriously, never doubt the RadioHead!!!!!

:D

Pivo6 I think you need to get all albums in release order, this band have developed over a long time with a very interesting development an change from each album to the next, for me the albums work in order and tell a story of how Radiohead have grown up!

edit: got my ltd edition this morning and no its not copy protected. :) DId anyone else get a set of httt postcards with it? They were seperate from the book in the jiffy bag from hmv.co.uk.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
Shadow, give Pablo Honey another chance. It absolutely rocks IMO. Okay so its not so individual as their other albums and some see it as not that revolutionary and just another nirvana-a-like but If you listen to it its got the same attention to detail as other albums with the three guitar parts always going. If you want to know how radiohead plays good guitar rock, forget the bends this is the album you want to listen to. Okay so its got songs that I still haven't got into, well one actually, but its also full of amazing songs. Anyone can Play guitar is incredible. You is amazing, Blow Out is possibly one of my all time favourtie songs, I can't. lurgee, all good stuff. seriously, never doubt the RadioHead!!!!!

yeah, i like several songs on there. and it is good true rock radiohead, a style they disavowed in pretty much everything else except the bends, which was getting away from it by a good margin itself. i think they went back to it some in HTTT, which is good, in a way. i just can't stand creep at all, it doesn't fit them to me. it's so useless compared to all their other stuff, doesn't fit the album at all to me. the album picks up towards the end. anyone can play guitar is a good song, and blowout is a great way to end an album. lurgee used to be a huge favorite of mine, i would listen to it over and over again, and i don't mean to diminish the album at all, i just think everything else they have is better--for my tastes.

i do see a value in the idea of going through it all in order. that's probably a good idea.

shecky--thanks for reporting in. you haven't said very much new stuff, i don't think. i mean, everyone i have ever talked to who likes radiohead will agree that however much they liked it the first time, it's always better the next. and the next. that's what i love about it, it's so onionesque and full of meaning. the music is beautiful, in a way, but that's hardly the point. we all love the continuity of the albums too. i have to say i didn't like a lot of songs on it right at first, but after 100 listens+ (seriously, i have play count to prove it--i got the album like 3 months ago) i like just about all of them a lot. i appreciate them all, of course, at least at the level that they flow amazingly well, just like radiohead usually does. myxomatosis is probably my favorite one too. it's so in-your-face and diseased-sounding.

the trick to radiohead--you can't just put them away. the first time i heard OK computer i hated it amd didn't listen to radiohead again for almost a year. i got into them about a month after amnesiac came out and my best friend made me listen to it. and now... this!

by the way, amnesiac, how about sending me a postcard? :D

[pivo6]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
...Pivo6 I think you need to get all albums in release order, this band have developed over a long time with a very interesting development an change from each album to the next, for me the albums work in order and tell a story of how Radiohead have grown up!

edit: got my ltd edition this morning and no its not copy protected. :) DId anyone else get a set of httt postcards with it? They were seperate from the book in the jiffy bag from hmv.co.uk.

Thanks for the suggestions. I think I will then start with Pablo Honey and work my way through the Radiohead catalogue. I agree with others who say that it takes more than a few listens for the album to grow on you.

I think the limited edition in the U.S. just includes a poster, no postcards. How about sending me one too. :D

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by pivo6
Thanks for the suggestions. I think I will then start with Pablo Honey and work my way through the Radiohead catalogue. I agree with others who say that it takes more than a few listens for the album to grow on you.

I think the limited edition in the U.S. just includes a poster, no postcards. How about sending me one too. :D

Hehe, not a chance, they are staying wrapped in plastic along with my amnesiac book/cd. lol

I got it online and it was seperate to the other package so maybe it was an hmv online promo or something. The postcards are jsut different sections of that map thing but close up.

Shadow, I guess I agree that its not as good, but maybe it is as good, just not as way out there. Its good in a different way, like all the albums are, I don't find I can compare albums, I don't like saying Ok Computer is the best, for example. They are all different things yet somehow connected.

I have to disagree about creep tho. Maybe it was overplayed too much for you, I know I don't listen to it that often but I know its a classic. Definately not the best song they've done, but out of the early stuff I thinks its the one that Thom spilled his heart out in, it related to so many angst ridden teenagers, which was a problem probably. Creep was also the first thing I learned to play on guitar. People equate pablo and creep with nirvana, but I hated nirvana and loved pablo honey (and I was very young and inexperienced :D)

[JPGR_Fan]

I'm someone who graduated from High School the year the Beatles hit the States.

Read the early portion of this thread, asked salesperson at record store for recommendation. She was a total fan and I bought OK Computer. Tried several times but didn't get it.

Nevertheless, bought Special Edition HTTT on Tuesday and am really liking it.

From reading the thread, I'm sure I'll go back and end up upgrading OK Computer and maybe adding to the collection.

Now when I ask people what they think about Radiohead, they always say, dude, you're so hip!

[Bengt77]

I didn't see anyone say that Punchup At A Wedding is really the most utterly brilliant track on Hail To The Thief. Why's that? It's brilliant, admit it! The neat piano loop and 'the sound' (if you know what I mean) that comes in at some point in the track. Excellent! Too bad those 2 'bonus tracks' on the special 12" don't come with the special roadmap edition. I expected those with it, actually. Ah well, the album is brilliant enough as it stands, so no complaining from me.

:D

[pseudobrit]

Someone said to me yesterday that Radiohead was the Pink Floyd of today.

It's a pretty good comparison, but I think Radiohead are much more dynamic and melodic.

And it is strange the way their music works: you listen to it once, you think, "blah, not their best stuff." You listen again and one or two specific songs catch your ear. You go back and play those songs but sometimes let the album play out. By the time you're done, every song on the album is a favorite (except Fitter, Happier, of course, though it does have a Mac voice).

Then you can't get the tunes out of your head; they'll randomly start bouncing around your head at strange moments like when you're having sex, er...

anyway, it's a like a cancer; once a kernel metastasizes, it grows and consumes your musical brain. Music will never be the same.

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by pseudobrit
Someone said to me yesterday that Radiohead was the Pink Floyd of today.

It's a pretty good comparison, but I think Radiohead are much more dynamic and melodic.

And it is strange the way their music works: you listen to it once, you think, "blah, not their best stuff." You listen again and one or two specific songs catch your ear. You go back and play those songs but sometimes let the album play out. By the time you're done, every song on the album is a favorite (except Fitter, Happier, of course, though it does have a Mac voice).

Then you can't get the tunes out of your head; they'll randomly start bouncing around your head at strange moments like when you're having sex, er...

anyway, it's a like a cancer; once a kernel metastasizes, it grows and consumes your musical brain. Music will never be the same.


Very true, thats a great analogy. I've been working all day chanting wolf at the door in my head, cannot get it out. As for fitter happier, its still pretty cool, not sure what they think about it in hindsight. Have you heard the string quartet version of it? It brought to light the fact that the keyboard part behind is really beautiful, and of course the words are great. Just seems a bit odd.

Listen to it again and try to hear the music behind, if not get strung out on OK Computer and listen to how Radiohead really isn't rock but Modern Classical/symphonic music with vocals.

Sounds stupid I know but from what I've studied of classical music, Radiohead fit that genre as well as they fit any other. The fact that Jonny Greenwood studied the Cello as a degree is probably a reason why.!

Originally posted by Bengt77
I didn't see anyone say that Punchup At A Wedding is really the most utterly brilliant track on Hail To The Thief. Why's that? It's brilliant, admit it! The neat piano loop and 'the sound' (if you know what I mean) that comes in at some point in the track. Excellent! Too bad those 2 'bonus tracks' on the special 12" don't come with the special roadmap edition. I expected those with it, actually. Ah well, the album is brilliant enough as it stands, so no complaining from me
:D

I may not have mentioned it but yes Punch Up is close to being my favourite, I don't have a particular favourite but this song is way up there. Its the vocals that do it for me. Listen to the second chorus, sounds like Thom is shouting in Falcetto, I don't get how he does it, incredible.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by Bengt77
I didn't see anyone say that Punchup At A Wedding is really the most utterly brilliant track on Hail To The Thief. Why's that? It's brilliant, admit it! The neat piano loop and 'the sound' (if you know what I mean) that comes in at some point in the track. Excellent! Too bad those 2 'bonus tracks' on the special 12" don't come with the special roadmap edition. I expected those with it, actually. Ah well, the album is brilliant enough as it stands, so no complaining from me.

:D i love drunken punch-up man, i think i have mentioned it in here. you should check. i used to have a quote from it in my profile, "A bully in a china shop." Myxomatosis in my favorite, but i usually play Punch-up first and let it flow into it when i want to hear myxomatosis.

about those bonus tracks, they are from the "There There" single. Where Blue Birds Fly and Paperbags Writer, right? it never said they would come with HTTT. like i said, you have to get that single.

[JackRipper]

Originally posted by 000111one111000
Pretty Hate Machine to The Downward Spiral. 5 years.

The Downward Spiral to The Fragile. 5 years.

The Fragile to the new album. 4, going on 5 years.



umm, don't forget Broken which I believe was released in '92.

[shadowfax]

you know, as an addition to our radiohead discussion about how they are like a cancer or a fungus--they grow on you with time--i wanted to contrast that with most pop music (i.e., the music they play on the radio). All it ever does is recede, it seems. i mean, a song comes out and they play it. and play it. and play it. pretty soon everyone is fed up with it and they just stop playing it. and we all forget about it. and the song everyone liked so much 4 weeks ago is now the most annoying song you could play for them. radiohead is just the opposite, and i appreciate that a lot.

[pseudobrit]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
you know, as an addition to our radiohead discussion about how they are like a cancer or a fungus--they grow on you with time--i wanted to contrast that with most pop music (i.e., the music they play on the radio). All it ever does is recede, it seems. i mean, a song comes out and they play it. and play it. and play it. pretty soon everyone is fed up with it and they just stop playing it. and we all forget about it. and the song everyone liked so much 4 weeks ago is now the most annoying song you could play for them. radiohead is just the opposite, and i appreciate that a lot.

Good point. Most pop music gets annoying after a dozen or so listens.

Another song the transcends rock n' roll is Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody, which is more operatic or classical than rock.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by pseudobrit
Another song the transcends rock n' roll is Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody, which is more operatic or classical than rock. that is such a great song, too, very dynamic and colorful. i like the way it mixes the instumentation of rock with the flow and style of opera and classical.

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by pseudobrit
Good point. Most pop music gets annoying after a dozen or so listens.

Another song the transcends rock n' roll is Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody, which is more operatic or classical than rock.

yeah but, thats more obviously operatic. I', talking in terms of structure and instrumentation, its like a full orchestra when you hear readiohead stuff. All those little sounds that are all playing at once.

On the pop note. It was interesting to hear on the Radiohead special on Radio 1 this week that colin was mentioning pop. This record is a pop record according to them, its just that pop has been redifend in recent years. In the eighties when Radiohead were growing up pop was interesting. it was wierd and strange but popular. anyway, i'm gojng to bed, night all!!

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
On the pop note. It was interesting to hear on the Radiohead special on Radio 1 this week that colin was mentioning pop. This record is a pop record according to them, its just that pop has been redifend in recent years. In the eighties when Radiohead were growing up pop was interesting. it was wierd and strange but popular. anyway, i'm gojng to bed, night all!! yeah, you're right, pop in the 1970s and even to some extent the 1970s was much more interesting and had a greater quality to it. i am not sure what colin means though, again, by saying that their music is pop. i mean, at some level, the music has a number of similarities. at another, though, the lyrics they have reflect a depth of thought that transcends and surpasses any pop music i can think of, most famously the beatles. who, i admit, had some great, thoughtful songs, but the most popular ones were rarely the most thoughtful.

of course, no one can disagree that pop has deterioirated severely in the past decade, becoming more and more superficial, and the music simpler and more... bah, i can't think of the word.

[vniow]

Weeeee!

Just bought the special edition today and wasted all of $19.97..http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=251202

Going to rip into AAC in a bit...

Damn...AAC is LOUD compared to the leaked one, ack!

[shadowfax]

hmmm, i didn't notice any major difference. are you sure you don't have a volume adjustment off or something?

[Wardofsky]

I need to check this CD out, seems popular here.

[vniow]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
hmmm, i didn't notice any major difference. are you sure you don't have a volume adjustment off or something?

Nope, I'm doing a quick comparison right now just to tell if I've been hearing things or not..

Okay, I'm hearing things, AAC does sound a bit clearer though.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by vniow
Nope, I'm doing a quick comparison right now just to tell if I've been hearing things or not..

Okay, I'm hearing things, AAC does sound a bit clearer though. do you have those really old ones? like, the prerelease mp3s? they do sound totally different. they changed up some instrumentation in places, and cleaned it up a LOT since then. but the final version was leaked over a month ago, methinks. do you not have that?

[vniow]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
do you have those really old ones? like, the prerelease mp3s? they do sound totally different. they changed up some instrumentation in places, and cleaned it up a LOT since then. but the final version was leaked over a month ago, methinks. do you not have that?

Naw, I downloaded the final version I think (from a link in this thread hee hee), they don't sound too much different from the actual album which is why I had to have the hard copy version..http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=257466

[amnesiac1984]

Yeah final mp3's from a while ago are the same as the CD but the prerelease was a lot quiteer because it had not been mastered, which involves makin git louder as well as adjusting the levels and making it suitable to be played on all sorts of types of speakers. THe original leaked would only sound good on decent speakers.