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NavyIntel007
Apr 10, 2003, 12:48 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83821,00.html

Funny how we find this orgy of stuff underground.

Here we go $10 says pseudobrit flames me cause I linked fox news.

Rower_CPU
Apr 10, 2003, 01:24 PM
Sounds like an abandoned facility from failed previous attempts.

"You couldn't do scientific work in levels like that. You would die."

amnesiac1984
Apr 10, 2003, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by NavyIntel007
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83821,00.html

Funny how we find this orgy of stuff underground.

Here we go $10 says pseudobrit flames me cause I linked fox news.

Nah I'll beat him to it! :p

There is no evidence as yet that this was used for weapons. Did he have nukes in the past but got rid of them when told to? If so then maybe these are left over form then.

lmalave
Apr 10, 2003, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by NavyIntel007
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Here we go $10 says pseudobrit flames me cause I linked fox news.

What, you mean this Fox News? ;)

lmalave
Apr 10, 2003, 01:46 PM
...or this Fox News :p

lmalave
Apr 10, 2003, 01:47 PM
..or this Fox News :D :D

pseudobrit
Apr 10, 2003, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by NavyIntel007
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83821,00.html

Funny how we find this orgy of stuff underground.

Here we go $10 says pseudobrit flames me cause I linked fox news.

No, I won't flame you for the source.

Instead, I'll point out that Iraq had a peaceful nuclear power programme and were aided in the 70's and 80's under the "atoms for peace" ideas in the UN. Their main help came from France, who also helped the Israelis with their nuclear weapons programme.

Mr. Anderson
Apr 10, 2003, 01:57 PM
But on a more serious note...

"It's amazing," Chief Warrant Officer Darrin Flick, the battalion's nuclear, biological and chemical warfare specialist told the newspaper. "I went to the off-site storage buildings, and the rad detector went off the charts. Then I opened the steel door, and there were all these drums, many, many drums, of highly radioactive material."

Why didn't Blix find this?

D

pseudobrit
Apr 10, 2003, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by dukestreet

Why didn't Blix find this?

D

Maybe because we only gave him a few months?

Nuclear material does not equal nuclear weapons.

Highly radioactive material is almost never suitable for weapons use.

mcrain
Apr 10, 2003, 02:22 PM
Last time I checked, x-ray machines were radioactive.

You can't assume that radioactive means bad. On the other hand, if there are barrels of weapons grade plutonium or enough stuff to make "dirty bombs," then you can start making those types of assumptions.

sparkleytone
Apr 10, 2003, 02:54 PM
last time i checked, iraq had 12 years to come clean. a few months indeed. funny how it took us 23 days or so. as far as imalave's little fox news crap goes, talk all the crap you want, but don't try to pin slavery on the republican party, which you seem to be oh so subtly suggesting.

pseudobrit
Apr 10, 2003, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by mcrain
On the other hand, if there are barrels of weapons grade plutonium or enough stuff to make "dirty bombs," then you can start making those types of assumptions.

Weapons grade plutonium is something Iraq cannot have unless it got it from outside, and that is highly unlikely. Also, you don't store plutonium in barrels; hell, you can't make enough of the stuff to fill barrels.

The dirty bomb thing is different. Radiology machines have Cs-137, enough irridescent blue powder to contaminate a small town. Having barrels of Cs-137 in storage for radiological equipment does not mean you're going to use it for dirty bombs.

As a matter of fact, it's impossible to prove that any nuclear material is intended for terrorist use. Radioactive chemicals have many more peaceful uses than they do military ones, and saying that since Iraq has nuclear material means they were planning a terrorist dirty bomb attack is BS.

pseudobrit
Apr 10, 2003, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by sparkleytone
last time i checked, iraq had 12 years to come clean. a few months indeed. funny how it took us 23 days or so. as far as imalave's little fox news crap goes, talk all the crap you want, but don't try to pin slavery on the republican party, which you seem to be oh so subtly suggesting.

No, I think he's probably blaming the South for that one. You gonna argue with that?

"Took us 23 days?" for what? To find out that Iraq has no WMD? To find out that they posed no threat to ANYONE??

pseudobrit
Apr 10, 2003, 03:00 PM
One more thing re: Fox "News"

They and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs are the only ones printing this report.

Remember when the Jerusalem Post's embedded reporter came up with that gem of a "100 acre chem factory" story that later turned out to be false? Remember the only national media organisation to pick up on that one? Yup. Fox "News."

Fox jumps the gun again. Of course they never get egg on their face, because the "nothing found" stories aren't noticed nearly so much as the "SOMETHING FOUND" stories do.

Warren
Apr 10, 2003, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by pseudobrit

As a matter of fact, it's impossible to prove that any nuclear material is intended for terrorist use. Radioactive chemicals have many more peaceful uses than they do military ones, and saying that since Iraq has nuclear material means they were planning a terrorist dirty bomb attack is BS.

Well, guess we should just stop looking.
Pseudo you better at defending saddams regime than Bahgdad Bob was.


I was just at the barber and foxnews was just frantically jumping on another story in which a platoon of marines had found a possible mobile bio weapons lab or launcher. Very early reports. Thats all I got due to the buzzing in my ear.

lmalave
Apr 10, 2003, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by pseudobrit
No, I think he's probably blaming the South for that one. You gonna argue with that?


No. Not blaming the South per se. Just conservatives in general - whatever party that might be at the time (Federalists, Whigs, Democrats, Republicans, whatever) on the major issues of the day.

Face it, folks, liberals are usually vindicated by history. Let me ask you a question. Is society more liberal now than it was 100 years ago? 200 years ago? 500 years ago? 2000 years ago?

Like Martin Luther King wrote from a Selma, Alabama jail cell:
"The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice."

Oh, and here's the most inflammatory picture I could find. Enjoy. ;) :p

pseudobrit
Apr 10, 2003, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by Warren
I was just at the barber and foxnews was just frantically jumping on another story in which a platoon of marines had found a possible mobile bio weapons lab or launcher. Very early reports. Thats all I got due to the buzzing in my ear.

I'm pretty sure the idea of "mobie weapons lab" was ruled out as being beyond the realm of practicality a few months back, except by the US administration, who ordered graphics drawn up of what a mobile lab "might" look like if we found such a thing.

Then these pieces of fiction were displayed for the UN to look upon, and they did not heed the wise warnings of the government hack 3D artists...

BTW, aren't "buzzing in my ear" and FOX NEWS synonymous? :D

pseudobrit
Apr 10, 2003, 04:17 PM
I've been called a traitor and a Saddam lover more in the past month more times than I can count.

It's a stupid, shallow tactic used by stupid, shallow people who can't argue facts and must resort to personal insults. ***** cowards and mental midgets.

Warren
Apr 10, 2003, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by pseudobrit
***** cowards and mental midgets.

Pseudo! resorting to personal insults like that is really a stupid and shallow tactic that makes you look not only stupid, but shallow.

pseudobrit
Apr 10, 2003, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by Warren
Pseudo! resorting to personal insults like that is really a stupid and shallow tactic that makes you look not only stupid, but shallow.

Did I aim it at anyone? Was it personal?

(your comment on the other hand, was aimed at me personally. Gotcha.)

sanfelipe
Apr 10, 2003, 04:58 PM
Arn,

You need to trash this thread in the Wasteland if you want to be fair.

And you also need to stop censoring my posts. Be open and free. I have not insulted anyone personally.

Stop censorship now.

Warren
Apr 10, 2003, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by pseudobrit
Did I aim it at anyone? Was it personal?

(your comment on the other hand, was aimed at me personally. Gotcha.)


Yeah I thought you'd use that excuse. you're a genius.

Your insult was aimed at many people that you didnt have the courage to name.

My comment was clearly aimed at you personally. But jeez it was just a bahgdad bob joke.

lmalave
Apr 10, 2003, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by sanfelipe
Arn,

You need to trash this thread in the Wasteland if you want to be fair.

And you also need to stop censoring my posts. Be open and free. I have not insulted anyone personally.

Stop censorship now.

You gotta use smiley faces, dude. See, I posted inflammatory stuff, and even labeled it as such. But I always use my infosupersmiley. C'mon, dude, it's the year 2003. Shouldn't you have learned this back in 1996 at the very latest?

sanfelipe
Apr 10, 2003, 05:03 PM
:D

RugoseCone
Apr 10, 2003, 05:04 PM
Imalave, it's interesting that your last "controversial" Fox News image had a Strom Thurmond reference in it. And you also state Liberals are vindicated in history. Yeah. History will certainly vindicate Robert Byrd, liberal democrat AND EX KLAN MEMEBER. It's good to be in the KKK. Let history vindicate that one.

So it seems that overgeneralizations and blind loyalty to the platform are penchants for left-leaners too? Why is it that everybody has this "I'm right, your wrong, shut-up" attitude. Why can't other people's opinions be accepted in spite of ones own?

Don't forget LIBERAL sex witchhunts - can anybody say Bob Packwood? Both sides of the aisle suck.

I'd also like to know just how everybody can be so darn certain that WMD will or will not be found? Whether it's Fox or CNN pumping your brains full, how in the hell can anybody say with total certainty that something will or will not happen on this matter? Gimme a break.

NavyIntel007
Apr 10, 2003, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by pseudobrit
I've been called a traitor and a Saddam lover more in the past month more times than I can count.

It's a stupid, shallow tactic used by stupid, shallow people who can't argue facts and must resort to personal insults. ***** cowards and mental midgets.

Buddy, you do the same thing!

Warren
Apr 10, 2003, 05:34 PM
Anyway heres more on the possible mobile bio weapons truck. Could still be nothing but, fake walls, pulley systems? Its like something out a bond movie or scoobie doo.
FOX is th only one that ha sthis cause there imbedded guy was witht he troops that stopped the truck.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83845,00.html

The Marines ordered a vehicle that appeared to be a refrigerator truck to stop at a construction site. When the truck did not stop, troops opened fire on it, and the driver jumped out and fled.

Investigators looked inside and saw what looked like a surface-to-air radar vehicle. But hidden inside fake side panels were an electronic pulley system, open jars and containers, a winch and hooks meant to move apparatus for rinsing and cooling substances without manual help.

Marines said the truck fit the description of a mobile bioweapons lab, and they planned to conduct further tests on the vehicle.

pseudobrit
Apr 10, 2003, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by NavyIntel007
Buddy, you do the same thing!

I have not accused anyone of personally supporting a torturous nasty little dictator. Many people have accused me of just such. I'm just kinda sick of it because it seems every time anti-war folks speak out against the war, a flock of hawks come fluttering out and give us flak about how we should be working for Saddam.

I should throw it in with the "Tired War Arguments" and just cite it everytime it pops up.

P.S. we're all calling the kettle black here as I've seen you drop some rather nasty insults on people without provocation.

I generally try to avoid namecalling; I apologise to anyone if I've ever directly called them names without provocation.

I will admit I do get nasty at times, but I like to try to stick the civilised kind of nasty, you know the kind that makes you feel about a million times worse than if someone just called you a four-letter word? :D

I'll insult an argument but not the person who gives it. I'm Catholic -- hate the sin, not the sinner, ya know? ;)

jelloshotsrule
Apr 10, 2003, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by pseudobrit
It's a stupid, shallow tactic used by stupid, shallow people who can't argue facts and must resort to personal insults. ***** cowards and mental midgets.

ahh man... gotta love the irony there.....

;)

pseudobrit
Apr 10, 2003, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by Warren
Yeah I thought you'd use that excuse. you're a genius.

Your insult was aimed at many people that you didnt have the courage to name.

My comment was clearly aimed at you personally. But jeez it was just a bahgdad bob joke.

Excuse? No, when I posted my tirade, I carefully chose my words so as not to name names and directly offend anyone.

My insult was aimed perhaps at many people, but it's not that I don't have the courage to name them, it's that there's been so many I can't remember all of them! :p

pseudobrit
Apr 10, 2003, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
ahh man... gotta love the irony there.....

;)

I'm a big fan of Fe