New MacBooks from Foxconn?

[MacRumors]

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Commercial Times claims (http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20061010PR204.html) that Foxconn Electronics has received notebook orders from Apple and volume shipments of one new MacBook model by the of the year.

While the news is being reported by Digitimes, the source of the information is Commercial Times, a Chinese-language paper, which in turn cites Vincent Chen, an analyst at Credit Lyonnais Securities Asia.

While this report only addresses a new MacBook model, rumors continue to claim (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/10/20061006190658.shtml) that MacBook Pro and MacBook updates are planned before the holiday season.

[~Shard~]

Not a surprise, really. I would be quite shocked if the MacBook/MBP lines were not updated before the holiday season, so I'm sure there's some truth to this report. The question, as always, is when. I'd really like to see new models before the end of October... :cool:

[timmillwood]

Good news? or bad news?

What does this mean to us?

[iEdd]

Commercial Times claims that Foxconn Electronics has received notebook orders from Apple and volume shipments of one new MacBook model by the end of the year.
Small error there. ;) Sounds interesting, certainly an unpredictable update cycle, although with apple it always is.

[Dont Hurt Me]

I doubt very much Macbook is getting updates at the same time Pro Models do. Thats not how Apple operates. First the pro models will be updated then that tech will show up months later in Macbook with some crippling like in the Gpu.

[xUKHCx]

So it comes from a source from a source from a source etc. et.c anyone remeber chinese whispers.


Anyway this is pretty much expected.

[ctachme]

I doubt very much Macbook is getting updates at the same time Pro Models do. Thats not how Apple operates. First the pro models will be updated then that tech will show up months later in Macbook with some crippling like in Gpu.

Exactly! That's why the iMacs didn't get the Intel procssors until 7 months after the Mac Pros, right?

[Dont Hurt Me]

Exactly! That's why the iMacs didn't get the Intel procssors until 7 months after the Mac Pros, right?Apple was in transition working from the bottom up to the pro models but now that the transition is complete I guess it will be back to the old way of doing things. I could be wrong and would love to see everything updated. You just never know with Apple because of the backroom deals they make with manufactors.

[deputy_doofy]

I doubt very much Macbook is getting updates at the same time Pro Models do. Thats not how Apple operates. First the pro models will be updated then that tech will show up months later in Macbook with some crippling like in the Gpu.

Actually, it wouldn't be the first time if Apple decides to update the MacBook and MacBook Pro together. They have done a full update with laptops before, though I will agree that I remember it being not too common.

[razzmatazz]

Exactly! That's why the iMacs didn't get the Intel procssors until 7 months after the Mac Pros, right?

Well the reason for that is because Apple was waiting for the Xeon "Woodcrest" processors to put into the Mac Pro. A Core Duo in a Mac Pro...I don't think so.

[jellomizer]

Exactly! That's why the iMacs didn't get the Intel procssors until 7 months after the Mac Pros, right?
Well the iMacs did get the Core 2 Dou processors after the Mac Pro. The Mac Pros came out with Core 2 Dou first.

The PowerMacs/Mac Pros are 64 bit systems. So Apple couldn't upgrade the Mac Pros with 32 bit processors from its old 32 bit processors. Because people who have Powermacs/Mac Pros needed the 64 bit processor.

[Mitch1984]

I bet it will be a 15" MacBook

[ct-scan]

I bet it will be a 15" MacBook

I'm guessing that we're talking about more than just an it.
And why update the laptop that is newer???

It's more likely that they switched all of their MacBook/Pro development over to Foxconn, most likely because of all the issues around the most recent line of MBPs.

[bearbo]

Well the iMacs did get the Core 2 Dou processors after the Mac Pro. The Mac Pros came out with Core 2 Dou first.


just so you know, mac pro NEVER had, let along past tense, Core 2 Duo (or Core 2 Dou)
Woodcrest (Xeon), as much as it might have the similar technology underlying its processor, is NOT Core 2 Duo.

[twoodcc]

just so you know, mac pro NEVER had, let along past tense, Core 2 Duo (or Core 2 Dou)
Woodcrest (Xeon), as much as it might have the similar technology underlying its processor, is NOT Core 2 Duo.

i'm pretty sure that the Xeon (Woodcrest) is considered Core2Duo

[bearbo]

i'm pretty sure that the Xeon (Woodcrest) is considered Core2Duo
any proof other than you are pretty sure?


quote: (http://www.intel.com/products/server/processors/index.htm?iid=process+server)
Get the highest levels of power, performance, scalability and reliability for your servers and workstations with an Intel® processor.

Server processors



Intel® Itanium® 2 processor

Intel® Xeon® processor

Intel® Xeon® processor MP

Intel® Pentium® D processor

Intel® Pentium® 4 processor supporting Hyper-Threading Technology†

Intel® Pentium® 4 processor



Workstation processors



Intel® Xeon® processor

Intel® Core™2 Extreme processor

Intel® Core™2 Duo processor

Intel® Pentium® D processor

Intel® Pentium® 4 processor supporting Hyper-Threading Technology

Intel® Pentium® 4 processor


noticed how Xeon and Core 2 Duo are on the same level?

also, i'm lazy so i didn't read this page (http://www.intel.com/products/processor/xeon/index.htm), but i did a word search, and the word "duo" didn't come up, which makes me feel somewhat confident that core 2 duo is not mentioned in that page, which means, they just aren't quite related THAT much

[ct-scan]

any proof other than you are pretty sure?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Xeon#5100-series_.22Woodcrest.22

[ct-scan]

any proof other than you are pretty sure?

You can also find Xeon information on Intel's Core 2 Duo page...
http://www.intel.com/core2duo/index.htm?iid=HMPAGE+Feature_06ww39

Where is your proof that the Woodcrest Xeon is not built on Core?

[bearbo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Xeon#5100-series_.22Woodcrest.22

On 26 June 2006, Intel released the Dual-Core Xeon codenamed Woodcrest; it was the first Intel Core microarchitecture processor to be launched on the market. It is a server and workstation version of the Intel Core 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_2) processor. Intel claims that it provides an 80% boost in performance, while reducing power consumption by 20% relative to the Pentium D.

sure it mentioned intel core 2, but if you click on that link, and search for xeon, see what you can find.

the both use the Intel Core microarchitecture technology, however they are branded differently

You can also find Xeon information on Intel's Core 2 Duo page...
http://www.intel.com/core2duo/index.htm?iid=HMPAGE+Feature_06ww39

Where is your proof that the Woodcrest Xeon is not built on Core?
on the left side, is the only place that Xeon was listed. There are 5 processors listed there, however on the top where the tabs are, there are only 4, there is no xeon



something they taught in SAT's (i dont know if they still have this these days)
Merom:Woodcrest = C2D:Xeon... they are at the same level, but not one under the other

[twoodcc]

It is a server and workstation version of the Intel Core 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_2) processor.


see, you just proved me right ;)

[bearbo]

see, you just proved me right ;)
ehh.. you know wikipedia isn't always right, right?

[Sutekidane]

I wish they would concentrate on fixing the flickering display issues...

[twoodcc]

ehh.. you know wikipedia isn't always right, right?

no one is

[ct-scan]

ehh.. you know wikipedia isn't always right, right?

They are both based on the Core architecture, that was my only point.
I thought you were saying that they were completely unrelated.

Of course they are branded differently, they have different uses.
Historically Xeon is for high-end workstations and servers, people know and expect this.

[bearbo]

They are both based on the Core architecture, that was my only point.
I thought you were saying that they were completely unrelated.

Of course they are branded differently, they have different uses.
Historically Xeon is for high-end workstations and servers, people know and expect this.
i definitely agree with you that they have very similar underlying technology, but i was just saying that Xeon and Core 2 Duo are two different brand names, Xeon is NOT part of Core 2 Duo

heck, macbook pro and macbook has very similar technology, but hopefully nobody will say macbook pro is part of macbook or visa versa

[Perushka]

If you ask me, it's pretty clear Apple will update all of its laptops before the holiday season. I personally can't wait to buy a new MB, because my 600 MHz G3 iMac is getting a bit sluggish. My question is this: Will it be a simple CPU upgrade, or will Apple change pricing and/or other hardware (such as HD capacity, RAM, etc.)? Oh, and how long do I have to wait?

[KEL9000]

G5 laptop finally.

[bearbo]

If you ask me, it's pretty clear Apple will update all of its laptops before the holiday season. I personally can't wait to buy a new MB, because my 600 MHz G3 iMac is getting a bit sluggish. My question is this: Will it be a simple CPU upgrade, or will Apple change pricing and/or other hardware (such as HD capacity, RAM, etc.)? Oh, and how long do I have to wait?
we know as much about apple's next release, as about apple's 5 yrs later release

[jholzner]

If you ask me, it's pretty clear Apple will update all of its laptops before the holiday season. I personally can't wait to buy a new MB, because my 600 MHz G3 iMac is getting a bit sluggish. My question is this: Will it be a simple CPU upgrade, or will Apple change pricing and/or other hardware (such as HD capacity, RAM, etc.)? Oh, and how long do I have to wait?

Who knows? But, as long as it's taking them to get these procs in the portable line, one would hope it will be a more substantial update.

[7on]

If you ask me, it's pretty clear Apple will update all of its laptops before the holiday season. I personally can't wait to buy a new MB, because my 600 MHz G3 iMac is getting a bit sluggish. My question is this: Will it be a simple CPU upgrade, or will Apple change pricing and/or other hardware (such as HD capacity, RAM, etc.)? Oh, and how long do I have to wait?

They're switching from ASUS to Foxconn so hopefully you'll get a Macbook that doesn't turn off Randomly in the middle of important work.

[Stridder44]

You know, today is tuesday.... :D

[AppliedVisual]

They're switching from ASUS to Foxconn so hopefully you'll get a Macbook that doesn't turn off Randomly in the middle of important work.

There's actually no proof of this other than the rumor showing up this morning. And no way to confirm this one just yet... Not sure if it means much of anything. Apple switches manufacturers from time to time and this could very well mean a new Macbook is on the way. But if Foxconn just secured the contract, it's doubtful that new MB models from them would ship this year... October is basically half over.

I would also doubt that Apple will switch MBP contracts away from Quanta. At least not until a complete and total redesign is in the works. And even then, I'm not sure if there's anyone out there more qualified or capable than Quanta to build such a system.

[dbit]

I think it's safe to say that we're all getting tired of waiting for the next "worlds fastest personal notebook super computer" thats slower than the competition. Yeah core 2 duo is just shipping, but its shipping. I'm getting extremely pissed and I don't want to buy something that specs out slower than the next guy for a few hundred more.

This better be a super frickin case redesign.

I'm an audio and motion graphics professional and am not entirely confident on where apple has taken Logic, amongst other recent decisions. I just really pray that the pro-sumer market doesn't become their primary target.

Just another early Tuesday morning grump post.

[Chundles]

You know, today is tuesday.... :D

Nah, it's Wednesday.

[emotion]

Macbook Mini here we come.

[zephead]

G5 laptop finally.
:eek: G5 PowerBooks?! Haha, how long have we been waiting for those?

[sparks9]

I doubt very much Macbook is getting updates at the same time Pro Models do. Thats not how Apple operates. First the pro models will be updated then that tech will show up months later in Macbook with some crippling like in the Gpu.

You're just saying that because you bought/are buying a Macbook Pro

[mdntcallr]

hey i dont know about both MB and MBP being updated at the same time.

Not sure if it would make sense. there are limited Core 2 Duo's available. As Imac has sold well with it. If Apple had decided to use Core 2 Extreme in the Imac. instead of the Duo, then i would agree with all of you thinking that the MacBook would be updated now.

But to be honest, at the moment, i am not sure if it would make sense. I see apple only doing MBP immediately, they need to prove a reason for the power, more than the card slot, graphics chip and different case.

[emotion]

hey i dont know about both MB and MBP being updated at the same time.

Not sure if it would make sense. there are limited Core 2 Duo's available.


How long can the limited supply situation be true though? I mean we're talking Intel here they must have huge amounts of manufacturing capability being ramped up for these chips. Possibly even being switched away from the production of Yonahs.

I guess we'll see. It's literally anyone's guess.

[Hattig]

Is this an extra MacBook model in addition to the other MacBooks?

If so, then maybe it is a MacBook with discrete graphics, but still 13.3". I.e., something between the MacBook and the MacBook Pro. It might be replacing the current Black MacBook which isn't a great deal for what you get.

Otherwise it's a redesign to address all the current MacBook issues, and will be used across the range.

Merom may come to the original MacBook sooner, but it's pretty much guaranteed that this MacBook will utilise it.

[AppliedVisual]

How long can the limited supply situation be true though? I mean we're talking Intel here they must have huge amounts of manufacturing capability being ramped up for these chips. Possibly even being switched away from the production of Yonahs.

I guess we'll see. It's literally anyone's guess.


Yeah, usually a shortage today means a surplus tomorrow. And I still have yet to see or read any tangible evidence of this shortage. Intel is very forthcoming about such shortages and they have said NOTHING. Every major PC manufacturer, even Apple with their C2D iMac systems, are shipping 2.33GHz C2D chips just as fast as anything else. All the rumors of delays are complete bunk. The people squaking over Dell's web site showing 10 to 17 days to ship a C2D XPS notebook are obviously uneducated in the ways of Dell. It always takes them 7 to 24 days to ship a system.. Always. And adjusting your CPU choice on those systems makes no difference to the ship date.

In other words, there is no shortage and no reason to even consider a shortage as a reason for the delay. Other forces are at work here... Be it Apple pride, stupidity, heat problems or just a genuine deisre to totally mind-****** their customers, Apple knows what they're doing.

[OdduWon]

Is this an extra MacBook model in addition to the other MacBooks?
it will be called macboo and come in dingy white and instead of "moo's" we will hear.... Boos?

[lord patton]

I bet it will be a 15" MacBook

Ditto, and the 13.3" MBP will be out sometime in the first half of '07.

And I'm not being sarcastic. Apple should offer a 15" notebook for less than 2 grand.

[OdduWon]

merom mbp is the new pb G5. just as hot, just as fabled, just as useful.

[bearbo]

why do we (or some of us) want a entire case redesign for MBP... i mean, i can understand the logic behind easily accessible harddrive.. and if i push it, maybe the magnetic latch, but the entire case redesign? what's wrong with the current case? i think most people think the case looks nice...

only the macbook has been redesigned in the intel transition process.. but thats because ibook hasn't gotten a case redesign since ibook g3, no? and plus, it's not even THAT much of a redesign.. and aside from that, mini stayed the same, imac, mac pro all stayed the same (and imac already had a 2nd revision..) i don't see apple redesign it either

[OdduWon]

most of us are saying that the outside is great but the entire inside needs to be redisigned anyway for the hot under the paste merom and the new chip set for santarosa, duo2 is a different board too i think. my point is this, because intel promised cool chips apple discarded some thermal buffer when they madi mbp less than 1 inch, now their faced with a redesign for a processor that will be 0utdated in 3 months or the will spend thwe time to give us a place holder that wont cook our sausage.

[wPod]

i predict a 10" (or similarly small size) macbook, along with core 2 bumps for the macbook pro. i predict the 10" or such b/c a friend of mine (who has big connections in the 'tech world' (he is an IT director and somehow magically knows a lot of people in the 'tech world' (like he implimented a wireless network before there was wireless networking, he got some pre-production 802.11b gear before it was standardized, he also did the same thing with a gigabit router)) anyway, he told me he has been demoing a 10" mac laptop. and i was just like 'sure whatever you say' (cause sometimes this guy can be completely full of *hit.) but he eventually convinced me that he has actually seen some 10" mac laptop demo computer somewhere. im still pretty skeptical about it, but this guy is a big mac hater, so the only reason he would try it is if it was some 10" super portable machine. b/c he does LOVE ultra portable laptops, and he is kinda getting a liking for mac, only because he can run windows on it! (though he has yet to actually purchase a mac)

[NewSc2]

1 new model? what, like a 12" macbook? like a core2duo in one of the macbook models?:confused: :confused:

[~Shard~]

it will be called macboo

Is this a special Hallowe'en Edition MacBook then? :p ;) :D

[jsw]

Let's keep this thread on-topic, please (note: some posts have been deleted, and this post serves as a warning).

[emotion]

... but he eventually convinced me that he has actually seen some 10" mac laptop demo computer somewhere.

Oh please let this be true.

Just what I need to replace this 12" pbook

[quigleybc]

I just hope they update the Black Macbook to a reasonable price like the white one...

and 12" has to be an option soon.

Oh, and fixing all the bugs I read about, so when I get mine...I don't have to deal with them.

REV B!

[whatever]

If you ask me, it's pretty clear Apple will update all of its laptops before the holiday season. I personally can't wait to buy a new MB, because my 600 MHz G3 iMac is getting a bit sluggish. My question is this: Will it be a simple CPU upgrade, or will Apple change pricing and/or other hardware (such as HD capacity, RAM, etc.)? Oh, and how long do I have to wait?
It's pretty clear that Apple will not be releasing to laptops before the holiday season. Laptops just aren't the typical gift. They are in the wrong price range.

Don't be surprised to see iTV sooner than later or the long waited video iPod.

Expect the new revised Mac Book Pro in January, featuring a redesigned enclosure and keyboard.

Sorry, but that the way it is.

[OdduWon]

It's pretty clear that Apple will not be releasing to laptops before the holiday season. Laptops just aren't the typical gift. They are in the wrong price range.

Don't be surprised to see iTV sooner than later or the long waited video iPod.

Expect the new revised Mac Book Pro in January, featuring a redesigned enclosure and keyboard.

Sorry, but that the way it is.
true apple could sit on duo1 till MWSF if the true video ipod comes out

the zune despite it's menu lag, looks pretty cool. there is a lot more stuff going on IN the device. More on the go personalization. more time spent using it. they will attract many developers for this and enhance thir phone market and do a microsoft-bill world communications take over. battles will be waged and stock lost and many try to rise against...but, too late. Zune got a head start on the market and people were forced to like it because it was what everyone was familar with. the fabled true video ipod is the only wepon that will be able to deflect the creature that's comming, ZUNE.

[whatever]

why do we (or some of us) want a entire case redesign for MBP... i mean, i can understand the logic behind easily accessible harddrive.. and if i push it, maybe the magnetic latch, but the entire case redesign? what's wrong with the current case? i think most people think the case looks nice...

only the macbook has been redesigned in the intel transition process.. but thats because ibook hasn't gotten a case redesign since ibook g3, no? and plus, it's not even THAT much of a redesign.. and aside from that, mini stayed the same, imac, mac pro all stayed the same (and imac already had a 2nd revision..) i don't see apple redesign it either

I for one hope they redesign the entire case. I dropped my 17" Power Book while it was in my computer bag and caught it by the strap as it hit the floor. I'm not sure if you can picture this, the bag was on my shoulder and slid off and I caught it just as the corner hit. I thought, thank God it was in a computer bag. Well the corner of my computer that it the ground was folded like aluminum foil. I was really surprised that I was able to reshape it back into shape with my hands.

Granted nothing was wrong with the computer, but....

[OdduWon]

Is this a special Hallowe'en Edition MacBook then? :p ;) :D
yea if it were dell it would be orange with a stupid yellow light in it :)

[generik]

I for one hope they redesign the entire case. I dropped my 17" Power Book while it was in my computer bag and caught it by the strap as it hit the floor. I'm not sure if you can picture this, the bag was on my shoulder and slid off and I caught it just as the corner hit. I thought, thank God it was in a computer bag. Well the corner of my computer that it the ground was folded like aluminum foil. I was really surprised that I was able to reshape it back into shape with my hands.

Granted nothing was wrong with the computer, but....

It is soft like tofu aye?

[OdduWon]

i think we may see MB w/ MBP with shuffle and xserve. i level and pro level traffic at the apple store will sell llot of laptops, especially if their curent.

[ijimk]

do you think these updated macbooks will have a true video card and not an intergrated one? :confused:

[timmillwood]

do you think these updated macbooks will have a true video card and not an intergrated one? :confused:

intergrated...

..REMEMBER..

...The Macbook is a budget machine if you want somthing better, ie having intergrated graphics, get a Macbook Pro

[bearbo]

do you think these updated macbooks will have a true video card and not an intergrated one? :confused:
I'd assume still an integrated one? no evident, just a feeling... i just don't see apple to upgrade macbook that much yet.. i mean, it was updated a lot from ibook so..

[timmillwood]

i dont think this means there will be any changes too the Macbook, i just hope the Macbook Pro update is soon!

[jTreu]

i doubt apple with update the MB soon, there just wouldnt be enough distinguishing the MB from the MBP if they both got C2D at the same time, mostl ikely it will be like the mini, it will get a small speed bump.

[generik]

i doubt apple with update the MB soon, there just wouldnt be enough distinguishing the MB from the MBP if they both got C2D at the same time, mostl ikely it will be like the mini, it will get a small speed bump.

Intel's line doesn't leave much room for a bump... unless Apple is going to use the Core and Core 2 processors as a product differential. Talk about gay considering the two kinds of chips costs pretty much the same.

[xlii]

i doubt apple with update the MB soon, there just wouldnt be enough distinguishing the MB from the MBP if they both got C2D at the same time, mostl ikely it will be like the mini, it will get a small speed bump.

I worked at a company where one product line competed against another within the company. It is the death. Apple needs to be competitive with EXTERNAL computer companies. If the competition is using C2D in their laptops... Apple had better get on the ball or they will drop it.

With Apple & the other vendors using Intel chips it is easy to look at the laptops and compare... new chip... old chip... hmmmm... which one should I buy?

[OdduWon]

Intel's line doesn't leave much room for a bump... unless Apple is going to use the Core and Core 2 processors as a product differential. Talk about gay considering the two kinds of chips costs pretty much the same.
theres almost no difference in processor speed between the MB and MBP now. it would be smart for mini and Mb's to core 2 also since there the same price. but it's hotter and duo works so maybe just MBP tommorrow.

[AppliedVisual]

I think the Mini and Macbook will go C2D at the same time and this will be at the same time or just shortly after the Macbook Pro. With MBP line, I would expect the slowest CPU offering to be the 2.16GHz with an option of a 2.33GHz upgrade and the 2.33 will probably be standard on the 17". The Mini and Macbook will probably get the 1.6GHz and 1.83GHz C2D chips with an option to upgrade to the 2GHz C2D. At the 2GHz mark, it's still Core 2, but has half the cache and still a notch slower than MBP offerings. MBP may also have a 2GHz offering, but it will be the 4MB L2 cache chip.

[kalun]

Um...right..another rumour.

I still remember back in August, a Chinese magazine says merom Macbook/Pro will be upgraded in September. And where is it now?

And then there was another rumour that there is a shipment of laptops. And where is it now?

There were also another rumour that merom laptops will be upgraded by the end of August, and will be announce on the same day as dell/sony/... etc. And where is merom macbook/pro now?

All I am trying to say is, the accuracy of these report is very low, and if anyone is putting high hopes in it, be prepare to be disappointed....I think, however, apple will upgrade macbook pro before holiday seasons, and macbook in January.

[generik]

I think the Mini and Macbook will go C2D at the same time and this will be at the same time or just shortly after the Macbook Pro. With MBP line, I would expect the slowest CPU offering to be the 2.16GHz with an option of a 2.33GHz upgrade and the 2.33 will probably be standard on the 17". The Mini and Macbook will probably get the 1.6GHz and 1.83GHz C2D chips with an option to upgrade to the 2GHz C2D. At the 2GHz mark, it's still Core 2, but has half the cache and still a notch slower than MBP offerings. MBP may also have a 2GHz offering, but it will be the 4MB L2 cache chip.

Considering the Mini got bumped lately do you reckon that's very likely?

[AppliedVisual]

Considering the Mini got bumped lately do you reckon that's very likely?

Yes.

I'm sure Apple will progress the Mini to C2D when they Macbook is updated. The Mini only received a minor speed bump the last time around and I bet it had more to do with keeping consistant pricing than it did with updating a product.

[nighthawk]

I'm sure Apple will progress the Mini to C2D when they Macbook is updated. The Mini only received a minor speed bump the last time around and I bet it had more to do with keeping consistant pricing than it did with updating a product.

If I remember right, the only change was the bottom end went from a Core Solo to Core Duo. And since the Core 2 Duos cost the same as Core 1 Duos, there is no financial reason for Apple to continue to use the older chips... so I agree the Mac Mini could be upgraded at any time.

However, from the roadmap I don't think that the lower end Core 2 Duos are shipping yet. I always thought it was odd that Intel would release the top-of-the-line chips first since there would be fewer production units which fit the standards (whereas running a CPU at a lower clockspeed or smaller cache would be OK).

[dkoralek]

the both use the Intel Core microarchitecture technology, however they are branded differently


on the left side, is the only place that Xeon was listed. There are 5 processors listed there, however on the top where the tabs are, there are only 4, there is no xeon



something they taught in SAT's (i dont know if they still have this these days)
Merom:Woodcrest = C2D:Xeon... they are at the same level, but not one under the other

But weirdly, if you click the core 2 duo link on the Intel web page Xeons show up in the list (which vaguely blurs the lines). I assume that this is because some Conroes can be branded as Xeons and some as Desktop Core 2 Duos. In the end, I think we can all agree that Woodcrest Xeons, Conroes, and Meroms all share a common basic architecture (the core architecture) and that the Macpro was the first machine Apple shipped with the new architecture (with the iMac following).

Cheers.

[charpi]

wonder if we might see dedicated graphics for mbs now....:rolleyes:

[timmillwood]

wonder if we might see dedicated graphics for mbs now....:rolleyes:

NO? cos that would make it a MBP

[generik]

NO? cos that would make it a MBP

Not really, the MBP has tons of other wonderful features that makes it pro. Such as the fact that it runs OSX, has backlit keyboard, and also the 34 express card slot that 1 or 2 people use.

[emotion]

NO? cos that would make it a MBP


Apart from the backlit keyboard, choice of screen (which is also larger), aluminium casing, expresscard.

Some aren't that convinced that it's worth the extra coin though, and I can empathise with that view too.

[Val-kyrie]

NO? cos that would make it a MBP

I would love to see either a 13" MBP or a 13" MB with the option for discrete graphics, though a lower quality card (e.g. Rad X1300/1400 compared to the MBP Rad X1600). My preference would be for the 13" MBP as I prefer the compactness of the 13" form factor but would use the ExpressCard slot (for a modem and ESATA card interchangeably)--yes, I live in BFE :( and have no access to high-speed connections--and I don't see Apple offering a MB with an ExpressCard slot AND discrete graphics. I would pay around 1700 or so for such a set-up, which would be about right in light of the pricing for the MBP 15"

[generik]

Apart from the backlit keyboard, choice of screen (which is also larger), aluminium casing, expresscard.

Some aren't that convinced that it's worth the extra coin though, and I can empathise with that view too.

OSX alone is worth spending 10 grand on a laptop. We are so lucky to have this capitalism thing. Otherwise with communism a Mac will indeed cost a year's harvest of grain.

[digitalbiker]

OSX alone is worth spending 10 grand on a laptop.

Not really, the MBP has tons of other wonderful features that makes it pro. Such as the fact that it runs OSX

Why do you keep bringing up OS X as if it were a differentiating factor?

The conversation is about the difference between the MacBook and the MacBookPro. Both of which run OS X.

Therefore OS X is irrelevant when discussing the difference between these two offerings.

[ClimbingTheLog]

Laptops just aren't the typical gift. They are in the wrong price range.

What? Maybe to buy for your cousin, but many parents get their children computers for Christmas. A MacBook is a great gift for a teen-aged child.

wonder if we might see dedicated graphics for mbs now....:rolleyes:

Boy I hope not. Unless they can get some cooler silicon off-board, giving up battery life for 12 FPS in Quake just isn't a good bargain for 97% of the market.

[mdntcallr]

Im not so sure they are switching. hard to say. maybe foxconn will make 1 model, maybe they will share manufacturing responsibility with another manufacturer.

my bet is they have several different manufacturers. with macbook split up between 2-3 builders. and just 1 making MBP.

[tiramisu]

i really wonder: why not "made in america" or "made in europe"? :confused:

[blackstarliner]

my bet is they have several different manufacturers. with macbook split up between 2-3 builders.

I thought it was common knowledge that due to the great demand* for MBs, Apple had to find a second manufacturer to meet orders. Hence all the delays a month or two ago. Is it just me or why haven't folk put 2 and 2 together?

* despite being 'overpriced', 'obsolete' POS that no-one in their right mind would consider when you can have a dell with magical c2d for 300 bucks less? :confused:

[weiss]

i really wonder: why not "made in america" or "made in europe"? :confused:

The manufacturing costs would escalate and Apple wouldn't profit nearly as much.

Boy I hope not. Unless they can get some cooler silicon off-board, giving up battery life for 12 FPS in Quake just isn't a good bargain for 97% of the market.

I hope they introduce that option. Then it would be up to the customer to pick integrated or dedicated graphics, depending on his[her] needs.

[goletastudio]

New MacBooks are coming out this month.
That's a fact.

[Dont Hurt Me]

Boy I hope not. Unless they can get some cooler silicon off-board, giving up battery life for 12 FPS in Quake just isn't a good bargain for 97% of the market.
That is idiotic, there are plenty of low power graphics solutions that blow the doors off Integrated garbage, Almost like saying I hope they use the least expensive cheapist solution they can find that uses no power. A computer is a tool and for you to say 97 % dont need a GPU is a lie. In that case they could be using G3s with rage 128's. More spin from the fan club of crapo graphics. What they should do is offer a option for those people who expect a modern computer to be just that.

[scr]

New MacBooks are coming out this month.
That's a fact.

Oh it is, is it? :rolleyes:

Remember, it is up to you if you want to participate in this waiting game.

[goletastudio]

Oh it is, is it? :rolleyes:

Remember, it is up to you if you want to participate in this waiting game.

Well, if I'm wrong than apple lied to our company.;)

[AppliedVisual]

That is idiotic, there are plenty of low power graphics solutions that blow the doors off Integrated garbage, Almost like saying I hope they use the least expensive cheapist solution they can find that uses no power. A computer is a tool and for you to say 97 % dont need a GPU is a lie. In that case they could be using G3s with rage 128's. More spin from the fan club of crapo graphics. What they should do is offer a option for those people who expect a modern computer to be just that.

Exactly.

Apple using the integrated GMA950 is a bunch of crap... They just went cheap, it has NOTHING to do with power savings. Even an old Radeon Mobility 9700 would be better. I can't understand why Apple chose to do this seeing how they don't support it with some of their own software (FCP, Motion). They should have at least offered an upgrade option or put the GPU option in the blackbook only or something.

[giovanni.apd]

Well, if I'm wrong than apple lied to our company.;)
We're listening...?
Did you try to order through the apple higher education sotre FOR an instituation?
Are you a reseller?
give us the deets

[iBorg20181]

Exactly.

Apple using the integrated GMA950 is a bunch of crap... They just went cheap, it has NOTHING to do with power savings. Even an old Radeon Mobility 9700 would be better. I can't understand why Apple chose to do this seeing how they don't support it with some of their own software (FCP, Motion). They should have at least offered an upgrade option or put the GPU option in the blackbook only or something.

Exactly, spot-on correct!

The only reason Apple has graphically crippled the MBs is to force more people to buy the much more expensive, and profitable MBP, on buyers whose only need beyond a stock MB is .... a graphics chip.

Really, how much does Apple "save" by using IG vs. a cheap 64MB graphics chip .... certainly under $50. So offer it on the top-of-the-line BlackBook, and bump the price an extra $100, and it would sell through the roof, even more than it currently does. But Apple wants to squeeze every extra $$ out of its customers, so we aren't given the BTO option of a graphics chip in a MB, forcing us to spend an extra $1k for MBP, when all that many want/need is the chip.

:mad:

iBorg

[Macuser007]

Its kinda screwed up. I dont thing its real.

[HOSKINGJ]

Sorry to raise a small but wavering flag here but...

Where the hell are the upgraded MacBooks??!!! :mad:

I apologise if there is a particular thread dealing with this, please let me know and I'll go there. But to the matter in hand - could someone shed abit of light for me as to what's happened? It seems I'm the only one who feels gutted about the MacBooks being left with NOTHING being done to them.

Please help... I am in need of it lol

[Dont Hurt Me]

I hope they introduce that option. Then it would be up to the customer to pick integrated or dedicated graphics, depending on his[her] needs.True, different people have different needs. Some should expect more out of a modern machine then integrated crapo graphics. My guess is 1st qtr next year we will see new Macbooks and they will have more integrated graphics since they kept the x1600 in the pro books. GMA3000 will show in it. Not to say I told anybody so but I predicted the Probooks would get the new core2s and the macbooks wouldnt. This gives Apple some seperation between the two lines. Apple could go cheap meaning speed bump CoreDuo's not Core2Duos and the integrated graphics that the fan club seems to love. Why not? As long as you have the cheap graphics whats the point of throwing in Core2? None that I can see.

[MarkyMark]

i really wonder: why not "made in america" or "made in europe"? :confused:

They do (or at least certainly did three years ago, and I think still) make a lot of macs in Ireland. Macs made there have serial numbers which start CK. Apple were one of the top two employers there last time I heard (can't remember if they or Guinness were the biggest).

[stujohnson]

Sorry to raise a small but wavering flag here but...

Where the hell are the upgraded MacBooks??!!! :mad:

I agree... I ordered a MB a month ago and it was lost... I got a refund because I was tired of getting jerked around "oh your mac is here, now it's there, now we don't know.." So I decided to wait for c2d... just principle really...can't justify spending so much cash if I'm gonna get a 'free' upgrade sometime soon.

I've searched everywhere re: macbook update to c2d...no one knows.. that's what you'd expect. Honestly, I doubt they're gonna update it before christmas

[Jvhowube]

I ordered a MBP last evening, and cancelled my order late last night after realizing that it is WAY more than I need. I have been waiting for this Merom update for ages, but I guess I'll have to wait a bit longer for the MMB. The MBP was just way too over-the-top for my use, and way too expensive for what I need.

So now that I'm on this bandwagon...

What's the speculation on a timeframe? Before Thanksgiving?

[Spanky Deluxe]

Following on from this story, apparently FoxConn will be supplying Apple with 15.4" MacBooks/MacBook Pros in May 2007.

Source: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20061026PR206.html

[gregorsamsa]

Following on from this story, apparently FoxConn will be supplying Apple with 15.4" MacBooks/MacBook Pros in May 2007.

Source: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20061026PR206.html

If it's a new 15.4" MacBook, there's a good chance it'll have dedicated graphics, otherwise what's the point? Apple certainly need more Macs with dedicated graphics in their consumer-priced range. Here's hoping!

[Bill Gates]

If it's a new 15.4" MacBook, there's a good chance it'll have dedicated graphics, otherwise what's the point? Apple certainly need more Macs with dedicated graphics in their consumer-priced range. Here's hoping!
It's not going to happen. It would steal sales away from the MacBook Pro, and the cost would be minimal between the two.

[gregorsamsa]

It's not going to happen. It would steal sales away from the MacBook Pro, and the cost would be minimal between the two.

IMO, it's by no means out of the question. After all, even the current 13.3" MacBooks will yet go through a number of significant upgrades in future. At some point, it's likely they'll have dedicated graphics. They just won't be on a par with the MBP's graphics (& other extras!).

So it's quite feasible, & it needn't affect MBP sales. Overall, it could also significantly increase the number of switchers from PCs!

[macphoria]

It's not going to happen. It would steal sales away from the MacBook Pro, and the cost would be minimal between the two.

I agree. As much as I would like to see a MacBook with dedicated graphics card, that's not going to happen.

As far as I can understand, integrated graphics card provides decent graphics performance at a lower cost. Ideal solution for consumer level laptop like MacBook.

Also, I remember reading somewhere that AMD may be working with ATI to create one solution chip, that combines CPU and GPU (please correct me if I'm mistaken) in order to make efficient and cost-effective chip. If that's the case, Intel is probably working on something similar. I wonder if these integrated graphics card is transitional process to CPU/GPU combination chip?

[thejadedmonkey]

Following on from this story, apparently FoxConn will be supplying Apple with 15.4" MacBooks/MacBook Pros in May 2007.

Source: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20061026PR206.html

Does this mean I'll want to get my macbook/MBP before May 07, or won't it matter