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MacRumors
Apr 17, 2003, 01:06 PM
LoopRumors posts (http://www.looprumors.com/) a hint that the upcoming PowerMacs will be "totally redesigned".

Beyond this, there are few details, except that Displays are expected to also be redesigned as well.

No timeframes are available.



bikertwin
Apr 17, 2003, 01:22 PM
A redesign would be a good thing, especially for the displays.

Apple has such cutting edge designs, but the displays are way too chunky. Look at the sleek enclosure on, say, NEC LCD monitors, or even Apple's own PowerBooks. Then compare that to the Several-inch thick edge on Apple's monitors and they look ridiculous. Apple's 20" monitor is way too big with that chunky edge.

bikertwin
Apr 17, 2003, 01:24 PM
The picture frame style stand on their monitors is pretty limiting, too.

Hurrah for new designs!

JesseJames
Apr 17, 2003, 01:33 PM
Hell yeah! I was hoping for a redesign. Let's hope Jonathan Ives knocks-our-socks off!

jrv3034
Apr 17, 2003, 01:38 PM
I think it would be awesome if they moved the PowerMac line to all-aluminum, to maintain the aluminum=Pro / white=Consumer.

An aluminum and chrome tower done apple-style would seriously rock. I somehow don't think the displays will be updated, though. It's only been a few months since the intro of the 20". I think the current line-up will be around at least a year longer.

Of course, newer, sleeker monitors are always good:D

shadowfax
Apr 17, 2003, 02:15 PM
my god, it's about time! i can't wait to see what these look like.

JesseJames
Apr 17, 2003, 02:42 PM
You know what would be wild? If the exterior of the case could catch light like CD-ROMs do. Wouldn't that look wild under display lights in a sea of bland boxes?

shadowfax
Apr 17, 2003, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by JesseJames
You know what would be wild? If the exterior of the case could catch light like CD-ROMs do. Wouldn't that look wild under display lights in a sea of bland boxes? that would be neat in the store, and then annoying as hell when you took it home.

MetallicPenguin
Apr 17, 2003, 03:09 PM
I really like the design right now but a redesign would be sweet.

rog
Apr 17, 2003, 03:14 PM
Although I love my MDD tower, it's been 4&1/2 years since a total redesign. Bring it on! And please Apple, put some ports in the front (with a closable lid -ala the Ti-for those who don't like the look of them.) And given the need for USB devices, some of which require a direct connection to the tower (both my Soundsticks and iMic--what am I supposed to do, not use a keyboard or mouse) how about 4 in front and 4 in back?

freundt
Apr 17, 2003, 03:15 PM
well, it seems like Apple is sitting on a lot of product announcements right now (if all the current rumors are true ;) ).

I wonder if they are going to do a big, giant, stupendous unveiling of a re-vamped, re-designed lineup of both pro and consumer (including i-pod) machines.

Steve loves the big bang....

f

jethroted
Apr 17, 2003, 03:26 PM
Yes. A major overhaul of the design is need. Although the line still looks sharper than anything out there today, it would be nice to say out with the old, and in with the new!

shadowfax
Apr 17, 2003, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by freundt
well, it seems like Apple is sitting on a lot of product announcements right now (if all the current rumors are true ;) ).

I wonder if they are going to do a big, giant, stupendous unveiling of a re-vamped, re-designed lineup of both pro and consumer (including i-pod) machines.

Steve loves the big bang....

f i doubt it will be all at once, but it may be like january again in a few weeks. remember when they were releasing something new literally every tuesday? on the other hand, i wouldn't peg a new case design to come out till the 970s do... part of that "shock and awe" thing or whatever.

friction3000
Apr 17, 2003, 04:19 PM
i hope the new case is super-functional, like the current one was when it came out (that big, easy-opening side door still rules). Cool looking, but functional first.

here are things i'd like to see, just in general:

- ports in front! or somewhere much easier to access.

- tons, tons, tons of bays. if i want 4 superdrives and 4 hard drives, let me have 'em.

- side- or rack-mountable! actually, this is very possible with the current ones, but it could be better supported. what if the new ones could stand or lay comfortably on their side? and still use the CD/DVD drives? (mount all the drives diagonally?)

- super-easy access, just like before... but even easier...

- super quiet.

- no ugly drive door like last year's revision...

pyrotoaster
Apr 17, 2003, 04:23 PM
This is total non-rumor from LoopRumors. A major redesign for such a major release is obvious.

Macwhispers has been reporting on new differently shaped motherboard for the 970 Powermac for weeks now.

Come on, LoopRumors! At least speculate, or give us your release date prediction!

jayscheuerle
Apr 17, 2003, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by jrv3034
I think it would be awesome if they moved the PowerMac line to all-aluminum, to maintain the aluminum=Pro / white=Consumer.


What would be even more awesome would be if Apple offered a consumer tower, basic box for $800 or so...

shadowfax
Apr 17, 2003, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by jayscheuerle
What would be even more awesome would be if Apple offered a consumer tower, basic box for $800 or so... that would be a blessing fraught with consequence. i would expect that to really mess up a lot of apple's product line, as far as profits and things go.

type_r503
Apr 17, 2003, 04:43 PM
I just got the name "looprumors" pretty funny.

jayscheuerle
Apr 17, 2003, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
that would be a blessing fraught with consequence. i would expect that to really mess up a lot of apple's product line, as far as profits and things go.

Looks like Sonnet brought my beige box up to speed for $700...

1 gHz upgrade!! (http://www.sonnettech.com)

cubist
Apr 17, 2003, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by type_r503
I just got the name "looprumors" pretty funny.

Clue us in then...

I'd like the monitors to have the same arm flexibility as the LCD iMac. As they are, they just sit there.

Mblazened
Apr 17, 2003, 05:26 PM
1 infinite loop?

kylos
Apr 17, 2003, 06:02 PM
Notice how the double o in Loop is the infinity symbol?

mkaake
Apr 17, 2003, 06:11 PM
i dunno, maybe it's just me, but this isn't much of a rumor at all. i mean seriously... if they're gonna bring out the 970 like everyone seems to think they are (keeping fingers crossed... i think it's gonna happen), i really don't see any reason why they wouldn't change the case. it's like a no brainer. hmm. macrumors... maccommonsense...?

eh, not to get down on anything. just in one of my moods. what would be nice though, would be to see some think secret's 'artist renditioning' of a new case, so we could have something to talk about...

matt

markjones05
Apr 17, 2003, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by MetallicPenguin
I really like the design right now but a redesign would be sweet.

I like them too..... But I liked every other design prior also.....

xelterran
Apr 17, 2003, 06:34 PM
as long as its not flower-power i dont care!

pyrotoaster
Apr 17, 2003, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by xelterran

as long as its not flower-power i dont care!
You're right. Blue Dalmatian all the way! :p

Seriously, what a nonrumor. Common sense, indeed.

kylos
Apr 17, 2003, 08:06 PM
mkaake, your info looks awfully familiar. Do you attend Kettering U?

awulf
Apr 17, 2003, 08:56 PM
Please leave on the Handles!

I think at first the case would look ugly, but then grow on us. I thought at first that the eMac and MMD PowerMac cases were ugly.

rog
Apr 17, 2003, 09:22 PM
Yes, I love the handles. It makes it so easy to take the tower off my desk where there is room, then put it on the floor when I install something. Makes me feel much more secure holding it that way than if I tried to grad that quite heavy machine.

insidedanshead
Apr 17, 2003, 10:00 PM
I don't care what the case looks like i just want ONE freegan thing. FRONT PORTS! I am getting fed up with apple's inability to do common sense things.. (i.e. a one button mouse? come on get real).. but in environments where comps are placed in cubby holes such as a lot of class rooms its is nearly impossible to get to the back to plug in a firewire drive.. and usually if you want to plug in something USB it needs more power than what the keyboards extra port can offer.. this would be beneficial for everyone.. and if it makes the case look ugly so be it.. cover it up with a door that opens and closes or something .. please apple pelaseeeeee.

Wonder Boy
Apr 17, 2003, 11:06 PM
Originally posted by xelterran
as long as its not flower-power i dont care!

I have a blue dalmation and all i get is compliments!

Sedulous
Apr 18, 2003, 12:26 AM
Use the USB ports on your monitor or get a hub! I'd like to see a sleeker tower. If you want more drives, peripherals... that is what firewire is for. I personally aviod internal drives like CD-R/W because often enough I can get a much faster one or updated drive more easily than replacing the internal drive.

Another way to look at it, if Apple can make more efficient cases, maybe they could pass some savings onto us!

think outside the box.

trebblekicked
Apr 18, 2003, 02:02 AM
i tend to agree ther aren't going to make room for more than 4 HDs, 2 ODs. FW800 is more than fast enough to handle that. there will be a big time redesign for the 970's, not before. i think there might be one last revision of G4's before we go 970, but then again selling redesigns may be a nice way to boost sales on those lame-duck machines.

i dunno. it's be apple. it'll be sweet. they do need to erase the memory of the MDD G4 tower, though.

the future
Apr 18, 2003, 03:43 AM
Macwhispers claims the new towers will be 'radically' different, have an alu front and will be much sleeker.

http://www.envestco2.com/macwhispers/archives/000061.php

dstorey
Apr 18, 2003, 04:34 AM
Not much to go on but more than loop rumors, but of course we have to bare in mind that macwhispers has a far from proven record (has anything came true from them yet, guess we'll have to wait for the next round to see if that tablet type thing and spliter cable etc come out).

From what it does say it sounds promising. All aluminium would probably look a bit too PeeCee like, just a square box with little intrest - but I could even be convinced that way as i like minimilist design. This only mentions plastic for the rest though, no colour, my guess is white. so what can we guess so far from various mac whisper things.

PowerMac 970

- aluminium front panel
- plastic for the rest? (possibly white?)
- thinner and longer than current (going by the motherboard size)
- smooth and uncluttered look (guess then no front ports, posibble hidden drive bays or slot loading?)

anything else I've missed?

Sol
Apr 18, 2003, 07:40 AM
The QuickSilvers were the best looking of the current Powermacs and I hope that the re-design will take its style from that. I would like the main body of the computer to remain raised but I hope the mono speakers are taken out for good. I also think that an external USB modem can take care of 56kbs connections so there is no good reason to have them internal any longer. The four hard-drive bays may be over-kill for most people, especially since there are 500 GB drives on the market. The reset button should make a return to the front, where the headphone port should remain. Front USB ports look ugly so they should remain at the back, only in greater numbers (16 USB ports would be nice). Considering that 17" PowerBooks have lights under the keyboard I expect something similar for the 970 PowerMacs.

AllenPSU
Apr 18, 2003, 08:01 AM
I hope that Apple shifts back more toward the look of the Quicksilver. The turbo vent/mirror look doesn't do it for me.

Another nice additive would be a unit without a fan. (Back to the cube?)

jayscheuerle
Apr 18, 2003, 08:07 AM
Originally posted by Sedulous
Use the USB ports on your monitor or get a hub! I'd like to see a sleeker tower. If you want more drives, peripherals... that is what firewire is for. I personally aviod internal drives like CD-R/W because often enough I can get a much faster one or updated drive more easily than replacing the internal drive.

Another way to look at it, if Apple can make more efficient cases, maybe they could pass some savings onto us!

think outside the box.

One of Apple's problems is that they've tended to put form before functionality, giving us boxes with limited upgradeability and awkwardness in use, but with style.

There should be some usb & firewire ports on either the front or side near the front. That's an ergonomic given & from there they should work to make them look good. Also keep some in the back for more permanent peripherals like printers.

I think you're nuts about avoiding internals. I got my first internal CDRW for $60 & it works great. The less you can keep outside the box, the better.

I was never a big fan of the handles. Even if I moved my tower once a week, they're neither a smart, nor practical design solution. Pop-up handles like the cube had would offer a cleaner approach, though I'm not sure any handles are necessary for a tower. Minimalism has its limits though, and it's the design details and flourishes that ultimately set a box apart. Anybody can reduce a design to a sleek aluminum box, it's giving it character AND class which is the challenge.

Personally, I'd like to see Apple design either a wall-mounted box or one that is recessed between studs in a wall, with wireless keyboard, mouse and monitor... - j

Frobozz
Apr 18, 2003, 08:45 AM
If true, this might mean a total change from what we know the PowerMac to be today.

For example, they may want to change from the "G" nomenclature, as they will be using 970's anyway.

They may also change the name "PowerMac." The "Power" in PowerMac stands for PowerPC, so that may remain, but it's been a mainstay since the days of the 601 or 602 I believe. Less likely, but possible.

It also stands to reason that they would change the look of the "PowerMac" case... but I doubt they'd mess with the easy door-swing feature. It's such a nice feature that no one else has.

This June is going to be awesome. I really can't wait. Even if the announcement is only to some NDA guys, which I don't think will be the case, it's a monumental step forward.

wymer100
Apr 18, 2003, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by jayscheuerle
Looks like Sonnet brought my beige box up to speed for $700...

1 gHz upgrade!! (http://www.sonnettech.com)

Actually, it may be better to get a new system. Check this out...

http://www.2khappyware.com/corecrib.html

jayscheuerle
Apr 18, 2003, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by wymer100
Actually, it may be better to get a new system. Check this out...

http://www.2khappyware.com/corecrib.html

Excellent link! Absolutely perfect for where I'd want to go when my beige box dies. Thanks! - j

:D

Wonder Boy
Apr 18, 2003, 10:01 AM
I'll probably get whatever design the 970 is in, but what will solidify my purchase is 4 firewire ports.

Sol
Apr 18, 2003, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by Wonder Boy
I'll probably get whatever design the 970 is in, but what will solidify my purchase is 4 firewire ports.

In that case, invest in a FireWire card.

pgwalsh
Apr 18, 2003, 12:33 PM
I'd like Apple to make a case that could easily be placed in a rack. I agree with Frobozz with the handles. Once my computer is placed under the desk in a rack, I hardly ever move it. The only time is to add an upgrade of somesort.

It would be nice to have ports in the front. USB, Firewire, Audio, and some flash card slots. All types of flash memory cards. I'd like a see through panel too, but it's not necessary.

One last thing. It would be great if they could make it easy to add an internal hard drive like the xServe. Just open a compartment and slide the drive in.

shadowfax
Apr 18, 2003, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by pgwalsh
I'd like Apple to make a case that could easily be placed in a rack. I agree with Frobozz with the handles. Once my computer is placed under the desk in a rack, I hardly ever move it. The only time is to add an upgrade of somesort.

It would be nice to have ports in the front. USB, Firewire, Audio, and some flash card slots. All types of flash memory cards. I'd like a see through panel too, but it's not necessary.

One last thing. It would be great if they could make it easy to add an internal hard drive like the xServe. Just open a compartment and slide the drive in. i agree too that the handles are pointless and not very good looking, but i think it would be dumb for them to make another rack-optimized mac. almost no one puts computers in racks, except people with servers. the idea is cool, but very few people do it. that said, though, there are powermac racks around... just not space-efficient lol :D

Wonder Boy
Apr 18, 2003, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by Sol
In that case, invest in a FireWire card.

Good point, but having a few extra *standard* ports can't be a bad idea, could it?

pgwalsh
Apr 18, 2003, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
i agree too that the handles are pointless and not very good looking, but i think it would be dumb for them to make another rack-optimized mac. almost no one puts computers in racks, except people with servers. the idea is cool, but very few people do it. that said, though, there are powermac racks around... just not space-efficient lol :D I just want the case design so it can easliy be put in a rack. It doesn't have to look like a regular rack chasis. Just a thought, but if you have a music studio or any type of studio putting something in a closed rack helps reduce noise and it looks good. I know I could go with Marathon, but the solutions they offer are rather pricey.

shadowfax
Apr 18, 2003, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by pgwalsh
I just want the case design so it can easliy be put in a rack. It doesn't have to look like a regular rack chasis. Just a thought, but if you have a music studio or any type of studio putting something in a closed rack helps reduce noise and it looks good. I know I could go with Marathon, but the solutions they offer are rather pricey. maybe apple will hear your plea and put some good FW ports on the front of the XServe and you can just go that route, lol.

Sol
Apr 18, 2003, 10:51 PM
All these people asking for a rack-mountable PowerMac would be better off getting an X-Serve. Basically the X-Serve is a PowerMac in a rack-mountable body, with all the same ports that the PowerMac has.

As for the handles, I love them and hope that Apple keeps them in the new design. Handles make it easy to lift the computer and they also raise the body several millimeters from the floor so that air underneath can keep the hard drives cool (and more resistant to shocks).

agreenster
Apr 19, 2003, 11:16 AM
Just what exactly IS the secret of your power?

Sweetfeld28
Apr 19, 2003, 03:55 PM
I am not wild about a new case design, but i do like the idea of adding more ports.

First, I think that Apple should produce wireless mice, and keyboards.

Second, put USB and Firewire ports in the front and back of the towers. Maybe two of each in front and back of the tower.

I think that maybe they could create the wireless idea to use the bluetooth, thus you would not have to have batteries in the mouse.

What other improvements would you like to see in the new case? :D

GeneR
Apr 23, 2003, 03:42 PM
I'm really not going to be impressed with speculation of this nature. Apple always innovates and we've seen some really great hits and misses. As long as it doesn't end up looking like a waffle iron, I'm down with it. :D