Boot Camp Beta 1.1.2 Released [Archive]

MacRumors

Oct 30, 2006, 09:28 PM

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Apple has released Boot Camp Beta 1.1.2 (http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/).

Boot Camp 1.1.2 beta includes:
-Support for the latest Intel-based Macintosh computers
-Easier partitioning using presets for popular sizes
-Ability to install Windows XP on any internal disk
-Support for built-in iSight cameras
-Support for built-in microphones
-Support for the Apple USB Modem
-Trackpad scrolling and right-click support on Apple Laptops
-Improved Apple keyboard support including Delete, PrintScreen, NumLock, and ScrollLock keys
-Improved International Apple keyboard support

The download weighs in at a hefty 143 MB, and can be downloaded from Apple's website (http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/publicbeta.html).

gloss

Oct 30, 2006, 09:32 PM

-Trackpad scrolling and right-click support on Apple Laptops

Yes.

DMPDX

Oct 30, 2006, 09:42 PM

I definetly submitted this, but someone apperently beat me to it! Whatever. Can ou just burn a new drivers disk? or do you have to install BC over again? SOrry for the rediculous question.
-dsm

AHDuke99

Oct 30, 2006, 09:51 PM

you just install and new drivers.

Platform

Oct 30, 2006, 10:11 PM

Boot Camp is really coming along nicely. ;)

By Leopard it should be great :D

DMPDX

Oct 30, 2006, 10:12 PM

you just install and new drivers.

Could someone put this in english please? You install and new drivers?????:confused: :confused: :confused: You mean install new drivers, r install bootcamp then new drivers?
-dsm

Nermal

Oct 30, 2006, 10:13 PM

Could someone put this in english please? You install and new drivers?????:confused: :confused: :confused: You mean install new drivers, r install bootcamp then new drivers?
-dsm

You install the new BC, make a new driver CD, then install the new drivers in Windows.

akhentek

Oct 30, 2006, 10:37 PM

a bootcamp update on the night before
the new c2d macbook arrives here

how nice and convenient :)

paeza

Oct 30, 2006, 10:44 PM

a bootcamp update on the night before
the new c2d macbook arrives here

how nice and convenient :)

i like your positive thinking and i hope it will come true. i have been waiting to buy a new MB for several months. This is gradually killing me T_T :mad: :mad: :mad:

Multimedia

Oct 30, 2006, 10:44 PM

Gotta Love more and more support from Apple for running Windows XP on their OS X MacIntels.

Freg3000

Oct 30, 2006, 10:54 PM

No fix to the Mac Pro + 1900XT + 23" ACD problem here.

:(

Multimedia

Oct 30, 2006, 11:02 PM

No fix to the Mac Pro + 1900XT + 23" ACD problem here.

:(What problem is that? The card won't work on that display? I'm about to buy 8-core MP with the 1900XT card. XP won't work?

BlueRevolution

Oct 30, 2006, 11:02 PM

You install the new BC, make a new driver CD, then install the new drivers in Windows.

Or just save the drivers and copy 'em over to your Windows partition, if you had the foresight to format as FAT32 or use Macdrive....

gandalf55

Oct 30, 2006, 11:11 PM

What problem is that? The card won't work on that display? I'm about to buy 8-core MP with the 1900XT card. XP won't work?

I have that setup and sometimes when I boot into XP I get a black screen. No display. If I boot a few more times I usually get a display. So the card and the ACD (23") are a little wonky.

Make sure to disconnect any FW drives (external), etc. before booting into XP.

egdiroh

Oct 30, 2006, 11:21 PM

i like your positive thinking and i hope it will come true. i have been waiting to buy a new MB for several months. This is gradually killing me T_T :mad: :mad: :mad:

Are you sure that's not the passage of time. Living is gradually killing us all.

cynically I am going to say that the MB update will not happen until the new model spike in MBP sales is over. And it might be just a bit soon for that. But maybe they are finally at a place where they are not worried about the low end laptops canibalizing the sales of the high end ones.

twoodcc

Oct 30, 2006, 11:23 PM

Boot Camp is really coming along nicely. ;)

By Leopard it should be great :D

i agree. boot camp is looking better every day :cool:

noservice2001

Oct 30, 2006, 11:35 PM

vista?

shortys408

Oct 30, 2006, 11:41 PM

my windows has a virus

treblah

Oct 30, 2006, 11:42 PM

Gotta Love more and more support from Apple for running Windows XP on their OS X MacIntels.

i agree. boot camp is looking better every day :cool:

I would feel much better if they started supporting Vista. XP will be 'old hat' when Leopard is released. A few of the drivers already work. Shouldn't be that hard to get the same level of compatibility.

c-Row

Oct 31, 2006, 12:03 AM

my windows has a virus

My Windows IS a virus. :p

blueflame

Oct 31, 2006, 12:26 AM

Gotta Love more and more support from Apple for running Windows XP on their OS X MacIntels.
are you implying coming away from os x and more towards windows?
A

Philberttheduck

Oct 31, 2006, 12:34 AM

The support of a right click on macbooks! WOO!!

I'm downloading right now.

04440

Oct 31, 2006, 12:40 AM

Has anyone had any problems with the mac side after you install boot camp? My windows is fine. but then once I get back over to the mac side, my preferneces were lost.. This happened in the beginning.. It hasn't happened for a couple of days.. but.. thought I could ask.. I just don't want to go along and make some changes to my preferences (e.g. in safari) and then when I reboot in they're gone..

gammamonk

Oct 31, 2006, 12:58 AM

so you still can't install XP on an external USB or Firewire drive tho, right?

SeaFox

Oct 31, 2006, 01:01 AM

are you implying coming away from os x and more towards windows?
A

Perhaps he means it's nice to see more support from Apple for people being free to choose their own OS usage, and not subjecting them to silly vendor lock in.

Not everyone has to be either for Apple or for Microsoft.

Call me crazy but wasn't half this stuff in the last update to Boot Camp. I mean, I know iSight support is not new. What kind of improvements did they make?

projectle

Oct 31, 2006, 01:07 AM

That would be an XP issue rather than a Bootcamp issue.
Have you ever gotten XP to boot off of a USB harddisk even under a regular PC (Without substantial hacks and replacing the kernel with the one from WinPE of course)?

All that time on a Mac has gotten you accustomed to unrealistic expectations.

SpinUp

Oct 31, 2006, 01:44 AM

Looks like a pretty nice update. From TUAW:

The Apple USB Modem now works correctly
Trackpad scrolling and right-click gestures work correctly
Fixed idle sleep bugs
Reduced dialogs during Windows driver installation
Improved international support
Improved 802.11 wireless networking support

2ndPath

Oct 31, 2006, 01:58 AM

so you still can't install XP on an external USB or Firewire drive tho, right?

There is a Macrumors guide (http://guides.macrumors.com/Booting_Windows_XP_From_An_External_Drive) on how to do this. But it involves patching the windows installation CD. A new bootcamp probably couldn't ease this, because windows is not really desinged to be installed on an external drive and needs some extra work.

Object-X

Oct 31, 2006, 02:00 AM

Object-X

Oct 31, 2006, 02:03 AM

Call me crazy but wasn't half this stuff in the last update to Boot Camp. I mean, I know iSight support is not new. What kind of improvements did they make?

Perhaps it's an improvement to the quality of the camera signal. iSight under Windows doesn't look as good to me. Maybe that just my Busheque Apple biase showing through. :rolleyes:

daneoni

Oct 31, 2006, 02:21 AM

This couldn't have come at a better time as i was planning to install XP today anyways.

Anyone have a link to all the Keyboard shortcuts used in XP...like how to right click, scroll etc?

amols

Oct 31, 2006, 02:39 AM

my windows has a virus

That means you've installed it almost correctly. Now wait for couple of blue screens and you have a perfect Windows installation :D

GFLPraxis

Oct 31, 2006, 02:49 AM

-Support for built-in iSight cameras
-Support for built-in microphones

Doesn't Boot Camp already have these? I can record using my iSight while booted in Windows just fine...and I just tested the mic, works too.

THX1139

Oct 31, 2006, 02:58 AM

What problem is that? The card won't work on that display? I'm about to buy 8-core MP with the 1900XT card. XP won't work?

About to buy a MP 8 core? Yeah... whatever. Hope you don't hold your breath. Anyhow...

The 23" ACD isn't supported by Windows during boot so the screen is dark because it's not supported by the bios. If you have a CRT or Windows supported LCD, you can see the boot sequence. No big deal. Who wants to watch Windows load anyhow? The only problem is trying to install Windows without a monitor that is able to read the video signal. It's sort of hard to know when to initiate the prompts when you can't see them eh? The solution is if you have another monitor instead of the ACD during installation. It's only an issue if you don't own anything else. Once you have Windows installed, go to ATI's website and download the Catalyst driver. Or go to Iomega and use theirs. I heard that one is supposed to be faster... don't know why. There is also another driver available called WinACD that works great. Once you have the drivers installed, the ACD works great. In some ways it's even better because the drivers are better! The only caveat is that the ACD stays dark during boot. Once Windows loads, the desktop shows at the same time as the start-up chime. I'm using the ATI catalyst driver with no problems.

Again, the only issues are during install and not being able to view Windows boot sequence. Other than that, it works great. The other poster who wrote that he was having trouble probably didn't install the correct drivers.

amols

Oct 31, 2006, 02:59 AM

This couldn't have come at a better time as i was planning to install XP today anyways.

Anyone have a link to all the Keyboard shortcuts used in XP...like how to right click, scroll etc?

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/301583/en-us

Huge list of keyboard shortcuts.

THX1139

Oct 31, 2006, 03:06 AM

I have that setup and sometimes when I boot into XP I get a black screen. No display. If I boot a few more times I usually get a display. So the card and the ACD (23") are a little wonky.

You need to install the Windows driver. Try using ATI Catalyst driver or WinACD driver. I have the same setup as you and no problems. Windows actually runs some of my applications faster than in OS X!

Make sure to disconnect any FW drives (external), etc. before booting into XP.

Why? I've got two external FW drives running off mine along with a keychain device and have no problems. The FW drives don't mount in Windows, but I don't have to worry about turning off the drives when I boot into it. The keychain drive mounts on both OS X and Windows.

jhvander

Oct 31, 2006, 03:12 AM

support for tap to click on macbooks in xp?

THX1139

Oct 31, 2006, 03:13 AM

What I was hoping for was better driver support for Apple bluetooth keyboard. I have to manually turn mine off and then back on again everytime I boot into Windows. It's a minor hassle that's only irriating whenever I forget to do it. Sometime I'll start typing and then realize I need to reinitialize the keyboard.

I'm curious how this update is going to help me. I have current drivers on the Windows. By downloading the newest update to Bootcamp, how is that going to help if everything already works great (with the exception of my keyboard). I read the list of features supported, but everything on the list already work on my setup. So, why bother with the update? Stablity? Anyone know?

daneoni

Oct 31, 2006, 03:58 AM

This couldn't have come at a better time as i was planning to install XP today anyways.

Anyone have a link to all the Keyboard shortcuts used in XP...like how to right click, scroll etc?

Dagless

Oct 31, 2006, 04:11 AM

the microphone and iSight worked for me before too, though arguably didn't look as nice as OSX makes iSight.

Downloading. but I really can't see anything new here.

asdren

Oct 31, 2006, 04:17 AM

How do I map the 'delete' key to actually delete instead of backspace?

I've installed the 1.1.2 drivers but still have to press fn+delete

Nym

Oct 31, 2006, 04:32 AM

Has anyone tried this new bootcamp on the 24" iMac? I mean, those who couldn't show the windows install screens.

anoopmj

Oct 31, 2006, 05:31 AM

anyone knows how to set up the right click on the trackpad on a macbook? Earlier it worked with the right command key and click, but that doesn't work anymore. I don't seem to have a right click on my mac when I run windows!!:confused:
Also scroll? I can't seem to find an option to do that either!
Help!

marschar

Oct 31, 2006, 05:40 AM

Paralells (build 1940) you can switch back and forth seamlessly. It's worth it.

dernhelm

Oct 31, 2006, 05:42 AM

That means you've installed it almost correctly. Now wait for couple of blue screens and you have a perfect Windows installation :D

Ha! Just had my first blue screen in almost a year at work yesterday! What timing on your post... :-)

apachie2k

Oct 31, 2006, 06:25 AM

1.1.2??? back to that huh.... why can't everyone have a freakin simple numbering system...either realease it as 1.2, or wait till it is 1.2 quality... what exactly is so much better that we didn't have before???

ImNoSuperMan

Oct 31, 2006, 06:43 AM

a bootcamp update on the night before
the new c2d macbook arrives here

how nice and convenient :)

You can always dream...........:rolleyes:

tyr2

Oct 31, 2006, 07:28 AM

Anyone know if this fixes the problems with RAID1 boot volumes not showing up in the Windows 'Startup Disk' control panel?

It's not a major issue unless you only have a BT keyboard, which can't be used to bring up the selector at boot time.

Lyle

Oct 31, 2006, 07:46 AM

Paralells (build 1940) you can switch back and forth seamlessly. It's worth it.Same here. I still have a Windows partition on my hard drive but it has been a long time since I've booted up in Windows. I've been able to do everything I've needed to do in Parallels.

What are some of the reasons one would still need to use Boot Camp? Is it simply because it's free and Parallels isn't? Or are there some technical advantages to booting up directly into Windows?

Airforce

Oct 31, 2006, 07:48 AM

Hmm, scrolling on the trackpad works for me now, but I still can't right click like in OS X. Anyone know what the problem could be? I'm on a macbook 2ghz with 512MB (white one)

powermac_daddy

Oct 31, 2006, 07:49 AM

cool. i am going to wait for the real deal though

wchong

Oct 31, 2006, 07:55 AM

cool. i am going to wait for the real deal though

yep. not worth my time downloading a 143 mb file for some updates i don't need

anoopmj

Oct 31, 2006, 08:07 AM

Hmm, scrolling on the trackpad works for me now, but I still can't right click like in OS X. Anyone know what the problem could be? I'm on a macbook 2ghz with 512MB (white one)

how did you get it? I can't right click at all and can't scroll like in osX

aristobrat

Oct 31, 2006, 08:10 AM

What are some of the reasons one would still need to use Boot Camp? Is it simply because it's free and Parallels isn't? Or are there some technical advantages to booting up directly into Windows?
USB in Parallels is weird. For example, it won't see my Verizon BlackBerry, which means I can't use it as a high-speed modem. For that, I have to "Boot Camp".

Airforce

Oct 31, 2006, 08:14 AM

Ah, nevermind. It works. You have to place two fingers on the trackpad and then click.

sizemoresr

Oct 31, 2006, 08:14 AM

Hmm, scrolling on the trackpad works for me now, but I still can't right click like in OS X. Anyone know what the problem could be? I'm on a macbook 2ghz with 512MB (white one)

I just figured it out. Press the track pad with two fingers and then, while holding down the trackpad, click the button with your thumb. Seems a little complicated, but it works.

Macfanatic867

Oct 31, 2006, 08:16 AM

After installing this update my mouse no longer shows up at the windows login screen, effectively rendering my windows installation useless. Anyone know how to get past the windows login screen without a pointer on the screen? I've tried with a USB mouse and the trackpad and it won't show up. Some Suggestions would be helpful.

martijn.s

Oct 31, 2006, 08:19 AM

Same here. I still have a Windows partition on my hard drive but it has been a long time since I've booted up in Windows. I've been able to do everything I've needed to do in Parallels.

What are some of the reasons one would still need to use Boot Camp? Is it simply because it's free and Parallels isn't? Or are there some technical advantages to booting up directly into Windows?

You need boot camp to play most games, Parallels can't give full access to the vidéo card.

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no, boot camp can't affect macintosh preferences.

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yes vista runs with boot camp, and parallels, as does linux, it doesn't change anything, however the official release of vista will do it's best not to run on parallels, just to annoy the customer and force him to pay the full 299 price.

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i had no microphone support on my MBP, with BC 1.1.1 (even if it said it did), and 1.1.2 fixes that.

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maybe leopard will have a completely different, and better, way to run windows apps, some rumors talk about parallels, or something similar, being included.

i still need boot camp anyway, because i only use windows for gaming.

Dagless

Oct 31, 2006, 08:36 AM

Parallels is tripe. Crashes on boot up for me which, obviously, renders it worthless to me.

All I'm after in BC now is support for volume and eject keys.

seanf

Oct 31, 2006, 08:39 AM

Anyone know how to get past the windows login screen without a pointer on the screen?Use the tab key on your keyboard and hit enter when the focus changes to the user you want to login as.

Sean :)

Macfanatic867

Oct 31, 2006, 08:40 AM

Use the tab key on your keyboard and hit enter when the focus changes to the user you want to login as.

Sean :)

Thanks! I'll give it a whirl.

EDIT: Tried it and it seems that the keyboard doesn't work either. It didn't do anything in response to hitting the TAB key. Also, testing the capslock and num lock keys, their respective LEDs didn't go on. Not sure what to do from here.

janstett

Oct 31, 2006, 08:40 AM

my windows has a virus

Did it come from an iPod?

(Sorry, had to do it)

APPLENEWBIE

Oct 31, 2006, 08:47 AM

Wil Shipley, of wilshipley.com posted the funniest comment I have heard about Bootcamp, and how it may be made better under leopard. He writes:

"At the non-non-disclosed WWDC keynote this year, Steve Jobs said Boot Camp will ship as part of Leopard, and it'll be friendlier. Apple has also publicly said in the past that it won't be selling Window pre-bundled on its machines. So, how can they make Boot Camp friendlier, if they won't just, say, do all the work for you, ahead of time?

The friendliest way I can think of is, while you're running Boot Camp and still inside Mac OS X, it should ask you to pop in your Windows CD and Boot Camp installs Windows for you. Then, you reboot, and voila: Windows. (Which is kind of like saying: "Voila: **** sandwich!")":) :)

justflie

Oct 31, 2006, 08:49 AM

Parallels is tripe. Crashes on boot up for me which, obviously, renders it worthless to me.

All I'm after in BC now is support for volume and eject keys.

That's odd. Have you tried reinstalling the program or the windows install? I haven't had any problems like that and, since the release candidate, haven't had any problems with parallels at all. It's still annoying that I have to use boot camp to play my childish games though. :p

seanf

Oct 31, 2006, 08:54 AM

EDIT: Tried it and it seems that the keyboard doesn't work either. It didn't do anything in response to hitting the TAB key. Also, testing the capslock and num lock keys, their respective LEDs didn't go on. Not sure what to do from here.If it's a Bluetooth keyboard try turning it off and back on or hit the enter key and it should come to life.

Sean :)

fr0

Oct 31, 2006, 08:56 AM

Well, I popped my freshly minted 1.1.2 driver CD into windows, ran the installer, everything went great until we reached the trackpad installation. Then *poof* blue screen of death. Okay, standard windows response to change. I reboot, it goes through a whole mess of disk checking, then finally the login screen. Perfect. Except for the fact that my keyboard and mouse are no longer recogznized nor is my external mouse (a bizarre looking thing with TWO buttons! Who thought such a beast existed). Now I am stuck. Anyone have a workaround, or should I start with the recovery process from the windows installer?

Macfanatic867

Oct 31, 2006, 08:57 AM

If it's a Bluetooth keyboard try turning it off and back on or hit the enter key and it should come to life.

Sean :)

Sorry forgot to say what machine it was on. This is on a Macbook and it's the built-in keyboard and trackpad that doesn't work.

nicemonkeyboy

Oct 31, 2006, 09:14 AM

seanf

Oct 31, 2006, 09:17 AM

Sorry forgot to say what machine it was on. This is on a Macbook and it's the built-in keyboard and trackpad that doesn't work.Hmm ... in that case if you can't use a USB mouse or keyboard I would press the power button and XP should shutdown. After this restart Windows on your Macbook and keep pressing F8 and hopefully a menu will appear before Windows gets to the login screen. From here you should be able to select Safe Mode and *fingers crossed* will be able to remove/reinstall the problematic driver.

Sean :)

Kace

Oct 31, 2006, 09:25 AM

No fix to the Mac Pro + 1900XT + 23" ACD problem here.

:(

mine works, install xp / vista using a secondary monitor and then connect your ACD. works just fine!

Novaoblivion

Oct 31, 2006, 10:07 AM

Anyone got the new trackpad driver working in Vista RC2 yet? I cant get it to install for some reason.

Squuiid

Oct 31, 2006, 10:23 AM

MrCrowbar

Oct 31, 2006, 10:50 AM

You can't play games on Parallels buddy.:rolleyes:

Actually, you can. Some older games like Half Life 1 run. But most games say they didn't find a graphic card :-)

hampy

Oct 31, 2006, 11:29 AM

absurdio

Oct 31, 2006, 12:42 PM

Anyone got the new trackpad driver working in Vista RC2 yet? I cant get it to install for some reason.

Perhaps OT, but maybe not too far. Re: windows vista: 1) How "beta" is the current release? I know you can download it but how buggy is it (that is, is it any worse than "market ready" XP)? and 2) Are there compatability issues with things not running on Vista? Really, all I need windows for is halflife 2, which depends on Valve's Steam service...which doesn't mention Vista as one of the supported OSs.

I'd be happy to hear what your experience has been like.
Thx.

MrCrowbar

Oct 31, 2006, 01:03 PM

Is anyone else bummed that there's still no external iSight support? I know that the external iSight contains unspeakably harmful materials which will destroy the planet in a matter of weeks, but it would be nice to use Skype video in Windows to say my goodbyes.

1. Didn't you hear the Apple iSight has viruses on it, just like the 5.5G iPods? :D

2. Skype can do video for Mac too now.

namasteboi

Oct 31, 2006, 01:03 PM

namasteboi

Oct 31, 2006, 01:07 PM

Perhaps OT, but maybe not too far. Re: windows vista: 1) How "beta" is the current release? I know you can download it but how buggy is it (that is, is it any worse than "market ready" XP)? and 2) Are there compatability issues with things not running on Vista? Really, all I need windows for is halflife 2, which depends on Valve's Steam service...which doesn't mention Vista as one of the supported OSs.

I'd be happy to hear what your experience has been like.
Thx.

IMO, with running Vista RC2, it's fairly stable so far. My issue with Vista is its cost for features. I don't really see much in the way of UI improvement, outside of silly little graphics changes. Management seems to have gotten a little easier, but I dunno.

One thing that they did spend a lot of time on is the various new APIs for developers - there's a lot under there. So, Vista won't really be a big hit until developers get creative with the new toys that they have :).

That being said - I've pretty much converted and hopefully I won't need to worry too much about that. :)

Guy Incognito

Oct 31, 2006, 01:12 PM

Re: windows vista: 1) How "beta" is the current release? I know you can download it but how buggy is it (that is, is it any worse than "market ready" XP)? and 2) Are there compatability issues with things not running on Vista?

I've found that Acrobat won't run correctly (Distiller crashes), I can't print to my Samsung ML-1710 via the network (I get a message concerning insufficient memory when I try to add it; I have 2GB, so this is obviously untrue), and so on. Vista won't really be usable until software vendors release applications and drivers for it, probably in the spring. For now, it's a toy.

Novaoblivion

Oct 31, 2006, 01:20 PM

Perhaps OT, but maybe not too far. Re: windows vista: 1) How "beta" is the current release? I know you can download it but how buggy is it (that is, is it any worse than "market ready" XP)? and 2) Are there compatability issues with things not running on Vista? Really, all I need windows for is halflife 2, which depends on Valve's Steam service...which doesn't mention Vista as one of the supported OSs.

I'd be happy to hear what your experience has been like.
Thx.

Vista RC2 is stable on both my Mac and PC (I know evil, but I am a recent convert :), Athlon 3500+ 1gb ram 460 harddrive (18gb for vista) Geforce 7800GTX). On my PC I have decided to start running it as my main OS and have been doing it for about 2 weeks now. Steam and HL2,CS:S, and many other games work fine for me. I have been using it instead of XP for a couple of days now on my Macbook Pro (15" 2.0ghz Core Duo, 120 Hard Drive, (20 for Vista) 1gb Ram.) So far it seems to work Ok besides the driver problems with the trackpad and whatnot. I have been using mostly for 3d studio max on the go which didnt work well with RC1 but seems to be working better for me in RC2. I do think that Vista is waaay over priced, but the RC is free for now :).

Foggy

Oct 31, 2006, 01:35 PM

Hey all,

Can anyone speak of any real difference between Parallels and Boot Camp? What little I know of both, from what I understand Parallels allows you to run Windows WITHIN MacOSX, whereas Boot Camp is pretty much a boot loader.

Has anyone experienced any pains with Parallels? I'm wondering why I would even bother with Boot Camp at all (besides the fact that Boot Camp looks free and Parallels is what, $79?)

Thanks.

Have said this elsewhere - I prefer the convenience of parallels but find that some things dont work properly with it (my garmin forerunner 305 and my iMagic trainer) which means I have to use boot camp for them. Bit of a pain but am grateful to be able to run them at all.

CockDiesel

Oct 31, 2006, 01:40 PM

DO NOT INSTALL. THIS IS A CRAP UPDATE.

Installed last night. Right when I rebooted windows I saw the blue screen. I have never had windows crash on this macbook pro yet. Then after playing with the new trackpad features... I started realizing how awful they are. The trackpad is less responsive. Sometimes the trackpad just stops detecting. The right click works perfect. The scroll barely works(meaning while I'm typing this I can not get it to work..but it has before).

Have yet to find a problem Mac side but that doesn't mean there isn't one.

Nothing but trouble with this update. Wait for the next update. I am already in the process of trying to get my old drivers back.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :(

SPUY767

Oct 31, 2006, 02:00 PM

So does this mean that my iSight is going to look like a picture now instead of a nuclear winter? (While running under windows)

markomarko

Oct 31, 2006, 02:07 PM

Paralells (build 1940) you can switch back and forth seamlessly. It's worth it.

It's worth it if you don't mind a pretty bad (almost non-existent) implementation of USB. My iSight won't work on it, plugging in the iPod crashes not just Windows, but my whole MacBook. And the list goes on. The software is a good IDEA, but it's not ready for mass consumption. I'm really choked that I spent money on that beta-ware.

markomarko

Oct 31, 2006, 02:13 PM

Hey all,

Can anyone speak of any real difference between Parallels and Boot Camp? What little I know of both, from what I understand Parallels allows you to run Windows WITHIN MacOSX, whereas Boot Camp is pretty much a boot loader.

Has anyone experienced any pains with Parallels? I'm wondering why I would even bother with Boot Camp at all (besides the fact that Boot Camp looks free and Parallels is what, $79?)

Thanks.

I mentioned USB problems in another post. Visit forums.parallels.com to get an impression of the full range of problems you may encounter. I don't mind dealing with some limitations if the beta is free, but a $79 beta is a little much, imo.

martijn.s

Oct 31, 2006, 02:47 PM

aristobrat

Oct 31, 2006, 03:16 PM

I don't mind dealing with some limitations if the beta is free, but a $79 beta is a little much, imo.
I'd agree that USB sucks on Parallels, but I don't think it's fair to say that the other 90% of Parallels is beta-quality. It does almost everything very, very well.

Didn't you notice that the USB sucked during the free trial they give before you have to buy it?

Compufix

Oct 31, 2006, 03:21 PM

What problem is that? The card won't work on that display? I'm about to buy 8-core MP with the 1900XT card. XP won't work?

It works...but in order to install Windows you need a different monitor...you should also download and install the winacd monitor driver. I am using a MacPro with a 30" ACD and 1900xt and it works like a charm. Once in a while when I boot up I get slight color artifacting on my screen...if I dumb down the resolution then bump it back up again it corrects itself......seeing Windows run on the 30" display is a real treat...not to mention seeing OSX running on it 8-)....I do video work and that setup is a treat.

SPUY767

Oct 31, 2006, 03:37 PM

U need Boot Camp if u want to play games, i use Boot Camp and Parallels, and i don't have any stability problems.

limitations are:

Parallels: No Games, Less Ram, Bad USB compatibility.

Boot Camp: difficult to exchange files with the mac.

I bet you've got an iMac, but to exchange files with windows, bothways, you need a FAT formatted HD. I formatted my Drive FAT to install windows, and lost a little functionality, but gained all that and more back in interoperability.

martijn.s

Oct 31, 2006, 04:46 PM

I bet you've got an iMac, but to exchange files with windows, bothways, you need a FAT formatted HD. I formatted my Drive FAT to install windows, and lost a little functionality, but gained all that and more back in interoperability.

OK, i forgot to mention that i did not use FAT, NTFS sounded like a better choice at the time.

dragon2611

Oct 31, 2006, 04:49 PM

Parallels is tripe. Crashes on boot up for me which, obviously, renders it worthless to me.

All I'm after in BC now is support for volume and eject keys.

The volume keys work on my macbook.... and i think the eject one does to

Although windows sees the keys as F1 - F12 by deafult so you have to hold down FN when you press them if you want them to do the other function shown on the key ;)

dan-o-mac

Oct 31, 2006, 04:58 PM

Already installed but I can't get right click to work on my Macbook. What am I doing wrong?

Shadow

Oct 31, 2006, 05:24 PM

THX1139

Oct 31, 2006, 05:42 PM

DO NOT INSTALL. THIS IS A CRAP UPDATE.

Windows is working perfect on my MacPro 2.66. I'm going to pass on this update... I'm reading nothing but problems. If it ain't broke... don't fix it.

hampy

Oct 31, 2006, 05:43 PM

1. Didn't you hear the Apple iSight has viruses on it, just like the 5.5G iPods? :D

2. Skype can do video for Mac too now.

Thanks MrCrowbar. But I'm finding Mac-to-PC video on Skype to be largely terrible. My parents just bought a PC rather than an iMac, against all my advice and actual scientific proof that this was a bad idea, and so I can't use iChat when I call them. Instead, using the Skype for Mac video beta (and their PC version of Skype Video), our conversations are punctuated by terrible lags and overpowering bursts of static. I had thought that PC-to-PC Skype might be better, so I was hoping that Boot Camp would produce some drivers for the external camera and I could use Skype for Windows when I call home. Though I'm prepared to believe that the PC-to-PC version is just as bad.

I can't figure out why Apple won't develop drivers for external iSight. I realise that this is a different technical challenge to the internal version since the video and sound are carried separately on the MacBooks and iMacs, but this still seems like the kind of thing that a Boot Camp boffin should be able to take care of in an afternoon or two.

As a Mac Mini user, I'd be interested to hear whether people think that the external iSight is peripheral non grata at Cupertino these days -- and whether this Boot Camp policy of not supporting the external camera is a sign of the times. Perhaps Apple are preparing a new version that will force us old-timers (or unsuspecting Mini owners) to re-buy?

THX1139

Oct 31, 2006, 05:44 PM

It works...but in order to install Windows you need a different monitor...you should also download and install the winacd monitor driver. I am using a MacPro with a 30" ACD and 1900xt and it works like a charm. Once in a while when I boot up I get slight color artifacting on my screen...if I dumb down the resolution then bump it back up again it corrects itself......seeing Windows run on the 30" display is a real treat...not to mention seeing OSX running on it 8-)....I do video work and that setup is a treat.

Dude, don't you read the thread BEFORE posting? This question has been answered a dozen times and you are wasting time and bandwidth.

astral

Oct 31, 2006, 05:49 PM

absurdio

Oct 31, 2006, 06:37 PM

Not good:

I've found that Acrobat won't run correctly (Distiller crashes), I can't print to my Samsung ML-1710 via the network (I get a message concerning insufficient memory when I try to add it; I have 2GB, so this is obviously untrue), and so on. Vista won't really be usable until software vendors release applications and drivers for it, probably in the spring. For now, it's a toy.

MacDrive, she no work in Vista, which is a deal-breaker for me.

Pretty good:

IMO, with running Vista RC2, it's fairly stable so far.

Vista RC2 is stable on both my Mac and PC (I know evil, but I am a recent convert :), Athlon 3500+ 1gb ram 460 harddrive (18gb for vista) Geforce 7800GTX). On my PC I have decided to start running it as my main OS and have been doing it for about 2 weeks now. I have been using it instead of XP for a couple of days now on my Macbook Pro (15" 2.0ghz Core Duo, 120 Hard Drive, (20 for Vista) 1gb Ram.) So far it seems to work Ok besides the driver problems with the trackpad and whatnot. I have been using mostly for 3d studio max on the go which didnt work well with RC1 but seems to be working better for me in RC2. I do think that Vista is waaay over priced, but the RC is free for now

********** excellent:

Steam and HL2,CS:S, and many other games work fine for me. :).

I guess the jury's still out, but I like the idea of spending nothing on the Vista RC a lot more than the idea of spending money on XP. Here's hoping for the best...

[Edit: oh, and thanks, everybody. I'm not sure I have a decisive answer yet, but your responses have been very helpful. My thanks.]

absurdio

Oct 31, 2006, 06:43 PM

I bet you've got an iMac, but to exchange files with windows, bothways, you need a FAT formatted HD. I formatted my Drive FAT to install windows, and lost a little functionality, but gained all that and more back in interoperability.

How interoperable, exactly, are the OSs?...and what sort of functionality do you lose?

gad, i feel like such a n00b. I've been away from windows for a long, long time.

astral

Oct 31, 2006, 08:55 PM

How interoperable, exactly, are the OSs?...and what sort of functionality do you lose?

gad, i feel like such a n00b. I've been away from windows for a long, long time.

I have my windows XP on NTFS.
In OS X I can see and read my Windows partition, but i cannot write to it.
On windows, with MacDrive installed, my OS X partition is readable and writable.

Since my OS X partition is most of the drive, this works fine for me. Things that'll be written on by both I put on the OS X side, and I can always at least access any data.

NTFS will let you, among other things, work with large files (FAT32 is only up to 4GB) and you can compress files you don't use very often. I author DVDs occasionaly, so I chose NTFS.

AidenShaw

Oct 31, 2006, 10:56 PM

NTFS will let you, among other things, work with large files (FAT32 is only up to 4GB) and you can compress files you don't use very often. I author DVDs occasionaly, so I chose NTFS.
NTFS is also extremely robust.

For all the misinformed comments here about constant BSODs from Windows, has anyone ever claimed that a blue-screen corrupted the filesystem?

In the 14 years that I've been using NT, I've only had one serious NTFS corruption - and that was using a NT system on a prototype Alpha CPU that had a bad cache board. It was writing random data on the disk due to the bad cache.

(I'm not including disk crashes - no filesystem that I know of can withstand the volume destroying itself...)

twoodcc

Oct 31, 2006, 11:02 PM

NTFS is also extremely robust.

For all the misinformed comments here about constant BSODs from Windows, has anyone ever claimed that a blue-screen corrupted the filesystem?

In the 14 years that I've been using NT, I've only had one serious NTFS corruption - and that was using a NT system on a prototype Alpha CPU that had a bad cache board. It was writing random data on the disk due to the bad cache.

(I'm not including disk crashes - no filesystem that I know of can withstand the volume destroying itself...)

i'm curious, AidenShaw, do you like Apple? do you like their computers?

the reason i ask is that i've read a lot of your posts, and i believe that you know what you're talking about. but lately it seems that you have been backing up windows a lot

absurdio

Nov 1, 2006, 02:23 AM

I have my windows XP on NTFS.
In OS X I can see and read my Windows partition, but i cannot write to it.
On windows, with MacDrive installed, my OS X partition is readable and writable.

Since my OS X partition is most of the drive, this works fine for me. Things that'll be written on by both I put on the OS X side, and I can always at least access any data.

NTFS will let you, among other things, work with large files (FAT32 is only up to 4GB) and you can compress files you don't use very often. I author DVDs occasionaly, so I chose NTFS.

This is going to make me look nothing but worse... but...
does that mean that, for instance, if i have all my music on the mac partition, I can still play it from the windows partition?

martijn.s

Nov 1, 2006, 06:48 AM

u can listen to your music when using windows if you buy macdrive.

macdrive makes your mac data vulnerable to some windows viruses.

martijn.s

Nov 1, 2006, 09:23 AM

i'm curious, AidenShaw, do you like Apple? do you like their computers?

the reason i ask is that i've read a lot of your posts, and i believe that you know what you're talking about. but lately it seems that you have been backing up windows a lot

the only thing he is saying (in this message), and he is completely right, is that NTFS is a good file system. (especially compared to FAT).

AidenShaw

Nov 1, 2006, 10:09 AM

i'm curious, AidenShaw, do you like Apple? do you like their computers?
Oh please, after all this thread *is* about running XP on a MacIntel !!

Compufix

Nov 1, 2006, 12:18 PM

Windows is working perfect on my MacPro 2.66. I'm going to pass on this update... I'm reading nothing but problems. If it ain't broke... don't fix it.

Installed on a MacBook Pro and on a MacPro with 30" Cinema Display

On the MacBook Pro, the scrollling and right click from the trackpad works (yeahhhhhh) and everything else seems to work fine.

On the MacPro, the USB modem is now recognized and everything else is working as it should....the right click and scrolling on the MacBook Pro makes it worth it.

-compufix

Compufix

Nov 1, 2006, 12:21 PM

Dude, don't you read the thread BEFORE posting? This question has been answered a dozen times and you are wasting time and bandwidth.

So you mean nothing at all like that post? Dude relax.....just being friendly and helping others....lets not mention that before posting the QUESTION a search could have resulted in an answer......but I didnt flame the guy for asking, now did I......We are all in this together, helping each other...

-Compufix

Compufix

Nov 1, 2006, 12:24 PM

I have my windows XP on NTFS.
In OS X I can see and read my Windows partition, but i cannot write to it.
On windows, with MacDrive installed, my OS X partition is readable and writable.

My Windows partition is NTFS, I use a USB key if I need to, or a network share...I was tired of spotlight indexing the Windows volume, and tired of actually seeing the partition on my desktop that I choose to use a login script to umount the drive so I dont have to deal with it.

mhenny253

Nov 1, 2006, 01:28 PM

Is there anyway to only install the trackpad driver for two finger scrolling and right click? I've already extracted the drivers, I just don't know which driver i should update and what device (in device manager) needs to be updated.

freakonguitar

Nov 1, 2006, 05:25 PM

Still NO help to me, since im running xp pro, 64 bit. The installation claims that its not windows xp and won't load. :mad:

thechris69

Nov 1, 2006, 05:36 PM

Boot Camp is really coming along nicely. ;)

By Leopard it should be great :D

when apple says bootcamp is going to ship with leopard, does that mean its pre-installed and ready to go, or do you have to still go out and buy windows xp?

martijn.s

Nov 1, 2006, 08:22 PM

when apple says bootcamp is going to ship with leopard, does that mean its pre-installed and ready to go, or do you have to still go out and buy windows xp?

you will have to buy XP, Apple isn't going to include it with every copy, not every leopard user wants to use windows, and Apple would never do such a thing anyway.

digitalbiker

Nov 1, 2006, 09:16 PM

Has anyone installed Red Hat Linux using either a bootcamp setup or parallels setup?

Just curious about your experiences. I need to run both windows (XP or NT) and Red Hat Enterprise Workstation 3. Parallels appears to support both and I would think that Red Hat should see the Mac Hardware OK under bootcamp.

Hey for anyone who misses the interoperability of Mac OS X and Windows under bootcamp, may I suggest you buy an inexpensive USB2 Flash Drive. I currently have a 4GB flash drive that I use with a Windows / Red Hat dual boot workstation. The 4 GB drive works great for moving files back and forth very quickly.

Cehtna

Nov 1, 2006, 09:41 PM

Does Boot Camp support backlit keyboard?
What are the other keyboard issues with the Macbook Pro running XP..

Is XP Media Center supported?

Is there any features you loose when booting XP vs OSX?

04440

Nov 1, 2006, 09:49 PM

I'm sure they're will be an option to download Boot Camp.. I don't think Apple would automatically have it installed.. So many Apple users hate the fact that they are trying to help get windows on their systems..

Oh and finally! WIreless INTERNET with no hassel.. thanks to this new boot camp

CockDiesel

Nov 2, 2006, 12:16 AM

So I hope everyone got the msg with my last post "don't get ..crap install".

For the others who installed ...how is your trackpad working? My trackpad is just soo bad. Sometimes it won't even detect movement... and the two finger scroll is really sketchy. Is this what others are getting? Or does your scroll work as good as OSx scrolling?

Anyone know how to rollback to the old version once you upgrade?

Compufix

Nov 2, 2006, 07:51 PM

For the others who installed ...how is your trackpad working? My trackpad is just soo bad. Sometimes it won't even detect movement... and the two finger scroll is really sketchy. Is this what others are getting? Or does your scroll work as good as OSx scrolling?

Just today my trackpad started to stutter and lock up, but all day today, and all day yesterday it was fine. 2 finger scrolling and right clicking is working great for me...(MacBook Pro).

-Compufix

RckClimber85

Nov 3, 2006, 06:10 AM

I am feeling very frusterated that not only do I have a problem with the bootcamp 1.1.2, I think I am the only one that has this issue which makes me think I did something wrong. I installed bootcamp drivers from the start, where isight showed up as a camera tht would bluescreen in mycomputer. Now that I have installed 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 that Icon is no longer there and I can't get it. Also, my trackpad will not scroll or right click, I am not even sure if it did this previously (I mainly use Mac OSX) but it is frusterating to hold the two fingers, scroll down and the cursor just wiggles side to side, it wont scroll down the page. I tried uninstalling, restarting and installing from new burnt drivers DVD and this was my 3rd time. Is there anything I could be doing wrong? Everything else such as wireless and bluetooth and videocard are being recognized and are working fine. Thanks all for your help!

fentex

Nov 4, 2006, 10:48 PM

I too have trackpad problems with 1.1.2 (on my black macBook 13", WinXP Pro SP2).

1.1.1 worked perfectly for me - all hardware worked fine (camera, sound, video etc) but after installing drivers from 1.1.2 my trackpad did not gain two-finger right click and I lost the previously useful right-command mouse-click for right clicking.

Very very annoying, I've had to employ a third party key-remapper to get right clicks back.

javierbds

Nov 5, 2006, 05:53 AM

CockDiesel

Nov 5, 2006, 08:48 PM

Now I have had my 3rd blue screen. Does anyone know how to rollback the windows side update ? .. I don't have the old driver cd. Or does anyone know what is giving all the trouble?

CJConline

Nov 6, 2006, 11:47 PM

I have note the problems with the ATI X1900 cards but have not seen anyone reporting problem with the GForce 7300 card which may(?) be my problem.

Having absolutely no luck installing Windows XP SP2 on a basic Mac Pro configuration – 2GHz, 1GB apple RAM, apple keyboard, apple GForce 7300 video card, 2 button (non-apple) USB mouse. Am running the latest OSX updates 10.4.8 with latest EFI and SMC firmware updates. Using bootcamp 1.1.2, I can partition disk and burn the Mac drivers but when I click the install button and the system restarts to do the windows install the screen stays blank and I occasionally get a small no video message on the LCD screen (a 21" Viewsonic VX2025 connected via a DVI cable to the video card output on the back of my Mac Pro).

Doing a manually restart (holding the option key down and selecting the Window CD drive to boot from) and then tapping the keyboard a few times will sometime but not always bring the screen back and allow the first stage of the install to start. I can then format the C drive (I use FAT not NTFS format) and the install then proceed to copy all the Windows necessary file to the new drive.

However, after all the files have been copied when it attemps to reboot, I am back to the blank screen and no video and tapping the keyboard doesn't seem to do anything.

It is really upsetting as I tested bootcamp on a loan MacBook Pro 17" (just before the Mac Pro's were released) and it installed and ran OK and on that basis decided to give the Mac environment a go while still being able to run some of my Windows specific programs.

I have tried parallels for Mac and was involved in their testing to get the product running on the Mac Pro but their lack of proper working USB functionality, is what prevent me from using what is otherwise a really great product.

Chris

Master Atrus

Nov 7, 2006, 03:58 AM

Hi All,

I've noticed with Bootcamp, at least with my MacBook Pro 17", that when I burn the drivers at full speed I always have trouble with the drivers ... blue screens of death and everything. I tell it to burn at 8x (or slowest possible) and everything works like a charm. Just some food for thought.

Atrus

aaronfzr

Nov 7, 2006, 09:47 AM

My new c2d mbp arrived today - was looking forward to BC but all these negative reports make it sound pretty poor. Is there anywhere I can still download bc 1.1.1?

bobber205

Nov 7, 2006, 10:22 AM

Best news in awhile.

CJConline

Nov 8, 2006, 05:37 AM

Here is an update to my previous post #124.

After reading some other readers very comprehensive description of his attempts to get his 23" ACD using the X1900XT card. It gave me a few ideas which eventually helped. Here's the detail.

After reading the other readers detailed testing of different combination to try to get his 23” ACD to work, I decided to try two things that he mentioned. Firstly, I moved the DVI connector from my 21 Viewsonic LCD from the right DVI port (as seen from the rear of the Mac Pro) to the left port as he seem to imply that it was the primary port and secondly, I replaced the standard, but non-apple, 2 button mouse with the one button(?) mouse that came with the Mac Pro and plugged it into the USB connector on the front of the computer.

Voila! :D

I actually managed to get through and setup Windows, install the Mac drivers and the Windows Viewsonic driver (although it wasn’t needed because the nVidia driver from the Mac driver disk could get the relevant resolution information from the screen). I then rebooted (fingers crossed) and sure enough while the screen was blank during the initial Windows boot process, eventual up it came with the Windows splash screen and loading indicator and then the welcome menu. After testing the functionality of the network and internet, installing a USB HP printer & driver, plugging in and checking a combo USB/firewire hub, and a few applications and playing around for a bit and checking as much as I could, all appeared to be working well and stable except that device manager is reporting that it needs the Intel® 5000 Series Chipset PCI Express x4 device drivers. This was already common knowledge so I left it for later as it was not needed at this stage and it didn't affect the exising Windows functionality and stability.

Finally, I did a shutdown and reboot, and after a brief period with a blank screen with some hard disk activity noise, up came the Windows splash screen and a successful boot.

I now tried replacing the apple single button mouse with the 2 button mouse while Windows was running and it work fine. However, after attempting to reboot with it still plugged in, I was back to the same old original scenario of blank screen and a failure to boot up. Unplugging the 2 button mouse and replacing it with the apple 1 button mouse had no effect on fixing the problem. Eventually I discovered, that by unplugging the DVI connector from the back and the re-plugging it back in, I was able to get back to my reliable bootup sequence with the 1 button apple mouse.

After much further testing, including trying another 2 button mouse from a different manufacturer to no avail, my conclusion is that there is something REALLY flaky with either the bootcamp BIOS emulation or USB harware implementation that stuffs up the detection of devices, eg keyboard, graphic card, that prevents the initial boot process from proceeding when a 2 button mouse is connected. This might be timing related, but this is only a guess.

It also appears I might have a similar boot up problem when there is a CD in the optical drive but more testing is needed to confirm this.

Chris

clintob

Nov 8, 2006, 01:11 PM

No matter how clean the install goes, I just feel dirty trying to use Windows on my Macs. I can't bring myself to do it. The only reason I ever need Windows is for web testing, and in that case an old piece of junk craptop running XP more than does the job.

MacIllini

Nov 10, 2006, 12:16 AM

any way to install Windows XP without Service Pack 2? :confused:

Bongolo

Nov 10, 2006, 03:30 AM

Does Boot Camp support backlit keyboard?

BootCamp doesn't. However, you can use Dmitri's Projects - MacBook Tray Tools.

Get it Here (http://dmitri.v.googlepages.com/macbooktraytools). ;)

/Bongolo

aaronfzr

Nov 10, 2006, 05:41 AM

any way to install Windows XP without Service Pack 2? :confused:

nope. however if you do a search of google or even these forums, you can find instructions of how to slipstream, or combine, a SP2 download file onto a single disc with windows XP.

so if all you have is an older version of winXP, you can still use it for bootcamp, but you'll need to do this extra step first. Do a search for slipstreaming SP2, you should find instructions there

Aa.

2ndPath

Nov 10, 2006, 05:56 AM

any way to install Windows XP without Service Pack 2? :confused:

Installing windows XP with service pack 1 worked for me, but then the installation program for the drivers from Apple, which come with boot camp, refused to install the drivers. It was possible to install some of them manually, but not everything and in the end it was quite a mess. So, while it is possible, I recommend to install Windows XP with service pack 2.

MacIllini

Nov 10, 2006, 01:32 PM

thanks for the tip... I'll give it a go tonight

nope. however if you do a search of google or even these forums, you can find instructions of how to slipstream, or combine, a SP2 download file onto a single disc with windows XP.

so if all you have is an older version of winXP, you can still use it for bootcamp, but you'll need to do this extra step first. Do a search for slipstreaming SP2, you should find instructions there

Aa.

MacIllini

Nov 14, 2006, 03:14 AM

2ndPath

Nov 14, 2006, 07:08 AM

crap! tried slipstreaming Service Pack 2 into Windows XP, then tried to install and I keep getting the BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH. Can't get disk out and can't switch back over to MacOS. Eject button doesn't work during start up and Function keys don't work either.

Help anyone? :confused:

Try holding the mouse button (or trackpad button if you use a laptop) while switching on the machine until the disc is ejected. If this doesn't work, hold the option key immediatly after switching on the machine, which should result in a selection screen a few seconds later where you can select between the windows and mac os installation.

Macmadant

Nov 14, 2006, 01:05 PM

well it is in Beta stage, My uncle installed this earlier, and i visited him earlier, he uses an old apple pro mouse as he doesn't like the mighty mouse (don't ask why), but apple has removed pressing the right apple button to function as a right click (i think thats what he said) any ideas, well i suppose it serves him right for installing windows on a mac, but thats another story, and he can't use the mighty mouse as i've got it

MacIllini

Nov 14, 2006, 08:53 PM

thanks 2ndPath... got the disc out.

originally had Windows XP w/SP2 Home installed and tried to update it with an older Windows XP Pro w/SP2 slipstreamed onto the same disc... ended up crashing everytime with the slipstreamed disc ---> BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH

I dunno is this was because the slipstream process was faulty or if it won't work unless you do a clean install... dunno if I want to go through the hassle of finding out :(

EDIT:
removed Windows XP partition and restarted BootCamp from scratch, then installed Windows XP Pro from slipstreamed SP2 disc and it works fine (so far)
Guess you can't just "update" Windows XP Home w/SP2 to Windows XP Pro w/ slipstreamed SP2... live and learn :-P

tkjazzer

Nov 14, 2006, 11:56 PM

Hello,
Just bought a mac bk pro and the tipping point for me to switch from windows was boot camp and parallels.

That said, some of the posts worry me a little bit.

A few people complained about not being able to transfer files. I heard from a techy that if you have a particion over XX size that you can drag and drop files. (I forget the size - want to say 27g maybe)

My major question is, due I have to format my entire HD before I instal boot camp for the first time? Should I wait on installing new software if I will have to reinstall it again after I use boot camp?

Thanks all,

aLoC

Nov 15, 2006, 06:36 AM

Hello,
My major question is, due I have to format my entire HD before I instal boot camp for the first time? Should I wait on installing new software if I will have to reinstall it again after I use boot camp?

Boot Camp will make a Windows partition without erasing your Mac one.

As for the file transfer, Windows has two different ways it can format it's partition. You choose which one you want when installing Windows.

If you choose FAT then you'll be able to read and write the Windows partition when booted in to Mac. If you use NTFS, you'll only be able to read while in Mac. But the catch is, FAT can not be bigger than 32GB.

Enjoy your new comp!

akhentek

Nov 25, 2006, 12:59 PM

tested all audio apps on brand new 15" c2d MBP

all audio interfaces work perfectly under osx

boot camp windows xp has a single bug

the firewire audio interfaces tested do
not seem to behave properly under xp
with the exception of the motu 828

the motu 828 does work but only under
maximum buffer settings, bringing latency
up to 42 ms. just glad my studio is working
under xp with this card, as it is my main one

these are the firewire audio interfaces tested

all of them basically skip the sound
in the most annoying possible way

m-audio firewire 410
m-audio firewire audiophile
motu ultralite
motu traveller
presonus firebox

increasing buffer settings to maximum did
not solve any issues like the motu 828

bottom line... my studio works perfectly right now
and i love this new MBP more and and more everyday

i hope these issues get solved so other audiophiles
can make the switch. feel lucky that my 828 is the
only thing that works flawlessly under both OS's

soon i will be testing a brand new
echo audiofire 2 firewire interface.
hoping this will be a portable solution
that will work under both platforms

anyone else out there having
similar issues under boot camp?

Cehtna

Nov 25, 2006, 01:02 PM

Does BootCamp support backlit keyboard?

Is there any hardware you loose compatibility with when running Windows on a mac?

AoWolf

Nov 25, 2006, 05:02 PM

Does BootCamp support backlit keyboard?

Is there any hardware you loose compatibility with when running Windows on a mac?

Had no luck with it albeit I am using vista

ryguy2588

Nov 25, 2006, 05:30 PM

I have a MacBook and when I installed Boot Camp it partitioned my hard drive successfully, but when it came to the menu where you choose to "continue with Windows XP setup by pressing enter" or " press r to repair...", I pressed enter and it sat there doing nothing. I restarted it and tried it again, but it did the same thing. Does anyone have any information on how to fix this problem?

AHDuke99

Nov 25, 2006, 07:46 PM

do i really need a 40GB partition to test vista? i have a 10GB i use for xp, will that be enough just to install vista?

2ndPath

Nov 26, 2006, 08:39 AM

do i really need a 40GB partition to test vista? i have a 10GB i use for xp, will that be enough just to install vista?

I installed the Vista Beta on a partition of about 10GB and it worked. However, after the OS install, the disc was almost filled up completely: There were only about one ore two Gigabytes left. So if you want to install some applications, a larger partition is advisable.

AHDuke99

Nov 26, 2006, 12:43 PM

I installed the Vista Beta on a partition of about 10GB and it worked. However, after the OS install, the disc was almost filled up completely: There were only about one ore two Gigabytes left. So if you want to install some applications, a larger partition is advisable.

yeah, i noticed after i installed it. aero works, but i cant get the mac drivers to open and install via the CD.

Sandock

Dec 16, 2006, 09:25 AM

I was able to install Windows XP Home on my 20" 2.16 Intel Core 2 Duo Imac without a hitch. I just followed the printed document and the onscreen instructions (really, really carefully, being a newbie that I am). Had no problems installing the macintosh drivers and was very surprised at how the eject button on my mac keyboard worked right away. I may be late coming into the party, but hearing the Windows start up on a mac sounds really surreal.

The only problem I noticed so far in my short use of it was that my Wacom Tablet's cursor moves a bit erratic and not so smooth as in my Winbox. I've installed Flash 8 on it and am trying to do some heavy animation. I did install the wacom driver (though when I installed my wacom earlier prior to boot camp on OSX, it was even worse, and I had to download the latest driver for an Intel mac from Wacom's site) The motion of the Wacom is just not that 100% smooth.

My PC has been unreliable as of late and I was going to attempt to use Winxp on my iMac as my primary for my animation work, but stopped short as I remember it being a beta. I am curious though if any out there is using it full time, without any hitches.

daddo

Dec 29, 2006, 03:28 PM

hi!I have a mac book pro(intel)17" 2.16 GHz .I have motu fireware 828.

motu 828 audio interfaces work perfectly under osx but I have some problems with boot camp windows xp.

the audio device doesn't work...with all applications(cubase,sound forge,fruity loops,live ecc)
for me is very important work with this boot camp set up.

the question is...why?

we have the same laptop...and same audio device!

witch version of motu drivers do you have?

witch is a problem on your opinion?

what can I try to solve this issue?

sorry for not perfect english!

tested all audio apps on brand new 15" c2d MBP

all audio interfaces work perfectly under osx

boot camp windows xp has a single bug

the firewire audio interfaces tested do
not seem to behave properly under xp
with the exception of the motu 828

the motu 828 does work but only under
maximum buffer settings, bringing latency
up to 42 ms. just glad my studio is working
under xp with this card, as it is my main one

these are the firewire audio interfaces tested

all of them basically skip the sound
in the most annoying possible way

m-audio firewire 410
m-audio firewire audiophile
motu ultralite
motu traveller
presonus firebox

increasing buffer settings to maximum did
not solve any issues like the motu 828

bottom line... my studio works perfectly right now
and i love this new MBP more and and more everyday

i hope these issues get solved so other audiophiles
can make the switch. feel lucky that my 828 is the
only thing that works flawlessly under both OS's

soon i will be testing a brand new
echo audiofire 2 firewire interface.
hoping this will be a portable solution
that will work under both platforms

anyone else out there having
similar issues under boot camp?

malfunct

Dec 29, 2006, 03:57 PM

i installed windows xp on an intel iMac 20".

i've got an m-audio firewire audiophile.

the sound skips. and makes my audio apps unusable.

have you found anything at all about this issue, and whom
should we report this bug? apple?? it seems to be a problem
with the basic I/O functions, perhaps there is a problem with
the drivers for motherboard, and/or firewire...

when i'm doing network transfers or reading from cd-rom
the sounds is broken completely. this is really sad for me as
i thought it would work being an external device.

these are the firewire audio interfaces tested

all of them basically skip the sound
in the most annoying possible way

m-audio firewire 410
m-audio firewire audiophile
motu ultralite
motu traveller
presonus firebox

increasing buffer settings to maximum did
not solve any issues like the motu 828

bottom line... my studio works perfectly right now
and i love this new MBP more and and more everyday

i hope these issues get solved so other audiophiles
can make the switch. feel lucky that my 828 is the
only thing that works flawlessly under both OS's

soon i will be testing a brand new
echo audiofire 2 firewire interface.
hoping this will be a portable solution
that will work under both platforms

anyone else out there having
similar issues under boot camp?

daddo

Dec 30, 2006, 04:16 AM

help!
hi!someone use mac book pro 17" boot camp xp with fireware motu audio device without problems?
on my set up doesn't work...

thanks

daddo

Mac'Mo

Jan 1, 2007, 10:49 PM

dang i need to get bootcamp

bobber205

Jan 1, 2007, 11:15 PM

help!
hi!someone use mac book pro 17" boot camp xp with fireware motu audio device without problems?
on my set up doesn't work...

thanks

daddo

Post your problem in the appropriate forum if you expect to get any help. ;)

I don't know personally, but post on the correct forum and you're bound to get an answer. :D

MKS21471

Jan 15, 2007, 03:30 PM

clintob

Jan 15, 2007, 03:38 PM

I'm very interested in experiences around using Firewire soundcards, since I do a lot of home recording etc. I currently use an M-Audio FW1814. I've seen these problems of poor FW soundcard response under bootcamp in other forums (Cakewalk Sonar etc). Two resolutions were offered: 1) Turn off the wireless system - searching wireless networks can cause stutters and interference. 2) Apply the Windows XP patch to roll back the Firewire "drivers" to pre-SP2 state. MS patch here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=CA0F2007-18B5-4112-8BD6-8BF4BD3130B9&displaylang=en

Just my two cents, but if you're going to make the jump to a MBPro, and you do quite a bit of audio recording, you will really be best served to make the investment into Logic or Pro Tools to do your recording. There's a reason the recording industry is dominated by Mac hardware and software in this regard... save yourself the headaches and just make the switch wholesale - you'll be happier in the longrun.

That said, I've heard mixed reviews about the use of USB/FW peripherals within Bootcamp, but each time they release an update or patch, more and more of these issues get resolved. Don't be turned off by your Windows experiences... Apple actually does offer regular updates and fixes, and they actually do fix what they purport to fix. There's also the option of using Parallels, which I can say from personal experience is really remarkable software - in fact I know this sounds counterintuitive but I'm tempted to say it runs Windows faster than most machines do natively!

Anyway, best of luck and if you decide to make a go at your new Macbook Pro, congrats and welcome to party.

P.S. You also might want to consider holding off for just a few more weeks if you're serious about the switch. In all likelihood, there will be some product updates in the next 4-6 weeks, so if you're not in a rush I'd see what comes down the pipe in February/March before making a big purchase.

MKS21471

Jan 15, 2007, 03:48 PM

Just my two cents, but if you're going to make the jump to a MBPro, and you do quite a bit of audio recording, you will really be best served to make the investment into Logic or Pro Tools to do your recording. There's a reason the recording industry is dominated by Mac hardware and software in this regard... save yourself the headaches and just make the switch wholesale - you'll be happier in the longrun.
Now that's just inflammatory Mac vs PC talk! ;) Seriously though, I'm familiar with Cakewalk Sonar's workflow, so I'd be much happier sticking with that. I have been a computer audio guy for some time and to be honest I reckon the Mac vs. PC split for audio is much more equal now. Having said that, it's probably because I've been frequenting PC-based forums!

There's also the option of using Parallels, which I can say from personal experience is really remarkable software - in fact I know this sounds counterintuitive but I'm tempted to say it runs Windows faster than most machines do natively!
Interesting. Parallels looks like a fairly neat way of getting around some immediate issues with needing access to PC-based software. I'll need to look into how it works...

Anyway, best of luck and if you decide to make a go at your new Macbook Pro, congrats and welcome to party.
Thanks for the welcome... I'll stay tuned.

P.S. You also might want to consider holding off for just a few more weeks if you're serious about the switch. In all likelihood, there will be some product updates in the next 4-6 weeks, so if you're not in a rush I'd see what comes down the pipe in February/March before making a big purchase.
Yes, I'm in no hurry. I'd like to see what folks think about Leopard and the "official" release of Bootcamp.

richard4339

Jan 16, 2007, 02:41 PM

Are there any alternative locations to download bootcamp? Apple's website gives a 404 for me when attempting to download it.

pamrosel

Jan 19, 2007, 01:23 AM

MattLTH

Feb 16, 2007, 05:13 PM

Thanks to MKS21471. I have a MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo running Boot Camp 1.1.2, and I've tried 3 different Firewire audio interfaces under XP:

Alesis MultiMix16 Firewire
Presonus Firebox
Tascam FW-1804

None of them worked in any DAW software, but specifically not in Cubase4 or SX3. But after installing the 1394 update you recommended:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=CA0F2007-18B5-4112-8BD6-8BF4BD3130B9&displaylang=en

The interfaces came right up and work perfectly!

Thanks so much for sharing that information.

All my best,

Matt

VSoundStudio

Feb 18, 2007, 10:51 AM

help!! I'm really new to macs and today when I installed XP home edition through bootcamp (latest version 1.1.2??) and it was fine until I installed the MAC drivers CD.

My macbook installed all the software and then restarted itself (as according to plan in "installation and setup guide") but when windows loaded I couldn't access anything. My trackpad wasn't working and neither was the keyboard (trackpad and keyboard built into the macbook). I tried connecting a mouse via USB but that didn't work either... I presume that the security settings of Windows (home edition, includes service pack two) wouldn't allow me to access the mac peripherals etc.

Did anyone else have this problem or know how to fix it!?!

I know the problem you are having, I have it too. I tried many back-door ways into the XP environment and none worked. I have found a way that works for me, but I do not know if it is a true fix. I have a feeling that this problem is somehow related to wireless networks. I have a wireless network in my home, and the only way I can boot up XP is to turn off the wireless on my router. After doing this, my XP environment will boot fully and correctly. I can then enable my wireless and use it. Try this and see if it works!

AV -- 15" MBP 2.16ghz C2D 2gb RAM

Mr Mac Newbie

Feb 18, 2007, 12:28 PM

Hi guys

I am gettin my first ever Mac tomorrow (20''Imac with 2GB Ram) and i have heard about dual booting with windows using Boot camp

Is it easy to do? And can you boot with Windows Vista?

killmoms

Feb 18, 2007, 12:31 PM

Hi guys

I am gettin my first ever Mac tomorrow (20''Imac with 2GB Ram) and i have heard about dual booting with windows using Boot camp

Is it easy to do? And can you boot with Windows Vista?

It's pretty easy. Vista, on the other hand, isn't so easy in Boot Camp at the moment. If you're concerned with running Vista, I'd suggest you wait for Leopard to come out with the full version of Boot Camp. That will most likely officially support Vista, whereas the current Boot Camp beta only supports XP.

Mr Mac Newbie

Feb 18, 2007, 12:36 PM

killmoms

Feb 18, 2007, 12:39 PM

Vista is not a must it just would have been nice. What do you have to do to get XP home running then. If it's really easy and painless then i may give it a go although Getting a Mac was why i ditched windows in the first place

It's all in the Boot Camp installer. You run it, burn the needed drivers to a blank CD, create a partition, and put in the XP disc and reboot. From there you go through the typical Windows installation process. Once Windows is installed, you install the drivers from the CD and you should be good to go. So, not really hard at all.

Mr Mac Newbie

Feb 18, 2007, 12:46 PM

Can you easily wipe windows off and go back to OSX easily if it doesn't work for me or if i decide i don't waant windows after all

killmoms

Feb 18, 2007, 12:50 PM

Yes, starting up the Boot Camp Assistant again will give you the option of removing your Windows partition and re-merging that space back into your Mac partition.

Sliverman

Mar 10, 2007, 08:21 PM

I'm a complete Mac n00b (in fact I don't have one, but I'm considering a MacBook Pro)...

I'm very interested in experiences around using Firewire soundcards, since I do a lot of home recording etc. I currently use an M-Audio FW1814. I've seen these problems of poor FW soundcard response under bootcamp in other forums (Cakewalk Sonar etc). Two resolutions were offered: 1) Turn off the wireless system - searching wireless networks can cause stutters and interference. 2) Apply the Windows XP patch to roll back the Firewire "drivers" to pre-SP2 state. MS patch here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=CA0F2007-18B5-4112-8BD6-8BF4BD3130B9&displaylang=en

As I say, I've no way of knowing if this will apply to y'all, but I'm interested to see if it does. Please let me know...

All the best,
Mike

Hey Mike,
thanks for sharing that info.

i am using an M-Audio FireWire Audiophile card with XP SP2 via Boot Camp.

Yep. Same problem as reported above. The sound keeps cutting in and out rendering it unusable and producing much frustration.

However, I'd like to confirm that simply disabling the wireless network system just as you suggested fixed the problem.

Cheers! :)