Boy Rapes Mother

[Salasm]

www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/law/2006/10/29/hardmon.al.teen.rape.mom (http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/law/2006/10/29/hardmon.al.teen.rape.mom)

A shocking crime in Alabama.

Police in Albertville say 19-year-old Gary Helms, Junior is charged with raping his 45-year-old mother.

Police say he did it to seek revenge against his brother after the two argued over a girlfriend.

The police report says Helms' mother was passed out drunk on the couch when the rape started. She came to and recognized her son during the attack. The police report says his mother tried to get away but Helms held her down until he was finished.

Albertville police Sergeant James Smith says Helms confessed to the attack and was ordered held in the Marshall County Jail on a $100,000 bond.

"From what we understand the rape stemmed from an argument between him and his brother. And apparently they were arguing over a girlfriend. And the rape was some sort of retaliation towards his brother ... it's just pretty much a shock to the conscious of the general public."

[Scarlet Fever]

"Police say he did it to seek revenge against his brother after the two argued over a girlfriend"

sick... twisted... little... child...

you don't get revenge on anyone by raping them. ESPECIALLY not your family.

if there was a vomit emoticon, i would be using it now.

[kretzy]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

That's just so awful and wrong. I don't know what else to say.

[Killyp]

That's disgusting...

[ziwi]

Oedipus Realized.

Sick, strange and messed up...what else can be said?

[jsw]

Yeah, that really showed his brother, and I'm sure it impressed the girlfriend.

[velocityg4]

:eek: I am in a total state of dumbfounded disbelief.

It truly amazes me how utterly disgusting and immoral a very select few can be. A crime of this unfathomable nature will hopefully lead to the most severe sentence possible.

Though I doubt he would last long in prison, if put into general population.

[Lord Blackadder]

*barf* :mad: :(

This guy obviously has serious problems...

[iJaz]

To sick and disgusting to comment!

[danidoll521]

This is just so sick and revolting...I really hope this guy is able to get the help he needs. It is amazing how some people behave in this world.

[jiggie2g]

Execute the sick bastard

[iJon]

Oh boy, wait till the other prisoners get a hold of him once they find out why he is in there.

jon

[skunk]

Execute the sick bastardWhy execute him if he's sick?

[jiggie2g]

Why execute him if he's sick?

Why waste tax dollars to keep human filth like that alive for the next 40-50yrs, seriously the guy RAPED HIS MOTHER it can't get much worse then that. The guy is an abomination. some crimes are just unforgivable.

[unfaded]

I think I'm missing the step between "argument with brother" and "rape mom".

[big]

I think I'm missing the step between "argument with brother" and "rape mom".

good call, persons in a demented state have issues, if mom is passed out drunk, sounds like the entire family has major issues. It has more to do with those family values than with some girl he and his brother were arguing over.

You could probably look at it like this, the father is probably not around (certainly not mentioned) so their whole lives, the brothers are fighting over mom for her love and attention, which she can not give, because she is contantly giving all her energy to getting her next fix, or drunk, basically any substance abuse can take the form of a person(s).

This is probably a 2nd or 3rd generational abuse cycle, passing down to the boys now....

[Maxiseller]

This is just so sick and revolting...I really hope this guy is able to get the help he needs. It is amazing how some people behave in this world.

Help? HELP???? Ha! There's nothing wrong with him. The problem is that there is a medical diagnosis for "sick and twisted wierdo" it's a shame they don't burn people at Bonfire Night anymore (05/11)

Execute the sick bastard

Hear Hear

Why waste tax dollars to keep human filth like that alive for the next 40-50yrs, seriously the guy RAPED HIS MOTHER it can't get much worse then that. The guy is an abomination. some crimes are just unforgivable.

This is what bullets were made for, no?

[Warbrain]

Alright, but how about we also criticize the mother for being passed out drunk on the couch?

Sounds like some sick and twisted trailer trash family to me.

[big]

Alright, but how about we also criticize the mother for being passed out drunk on the couch?

Sounds like some sick and twisted trailer trash family to me.

ok, I was waiting for the Alabama jokes to start. To begin with, this crime is indicative of all human failure, from sodom & gomorah to present day, any where people live, their is these same issues in human nature. Its not even just this one crime, its everywhere.

please consider this is not just a social position, though ultimately a form of co-dependency gone awry.

[Salasm]

No guy speaks aloud of this dark taboo subject, but has fantasized about it at some point.

[benthewraith]

No guy speaks aloud of this dark taboo subject, but has fantasized about it at some point.

That's an awefully broad assumption, that every guy thinks about raping his mother. :rolleyes: You'd know this how?

[zflauaus]

Alright, but how about we also criticize the mother for being passed out drunk on the couch?

Sounds like some sick and twisted trailer trash family to me.

This is not about the mother being passed out on the couch. This is about a person, none the less, the SON, raping another person, his MOTHER! This guy should not be allowed to live, like all the other rapists in this world.

[Warbrain]

This is not about the mother being passed out on the couch. This is about a person, none the less, the SON, raping another person, his MOTHER! This guy should not be allowed to live, like all the other rapists in this world.

I didn't say that that the boy is right or that the rape was fine - because it's not - but if the family is so ****ed up that the mother passes out on the couch from drinking, then the family is terrible as it is.

[benthewraith]

I didn't say that that the boy is right or that the rape was fine - because it's not - but if the family is so ****ed up that the mother passes out on the couch from drinking, then the family is terrible as it is.

So that justifies or excuses what he did? :confused: The kid, raped his mother. There are certain lines you do not cross, and that happens to be one of them. And given we know only the facts given in the news report, why are we to assume anything?

[Warbrain]

So that justifies or excuses what he did? :confused: The kid, raped his mother. There are certain lines you do not cross, and that happens to be one of them. And given we know only the facts given in the news report, why are we to assume anything?

You're not understanding what I'm saying. I'm not saying that what the kid did was right. IT'S NOT RIGHT IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. But the family is messed up enough already since the mother is a drunk. Don't think that I'm saying that the kid should be accquited of what he did - he shouldn't. He committed a terrible crime. But the family was already ****ed up enough before this happened.

[mdntcallr]

they all seem horrible in that family. very weird thing

[dsnort]

Reading this I realised that somewhere deep inside of me I had always kind of hoped that M*************R was just a phrase and that things like this didn't happen. I second the motion for a barf emoticon.

[MrSmith]

I really must stop reading the Current Events forum when I'm eating lunch. :(

[w00tmaster]

it happened in Alabama, in a trailer, when his mom was passed out drunk on the couch.....God I hate the south....

[danidoll521]

You're not understanding what I'm saying. I'm not saying that what the kid did was right. IT'S NOT RIGHT IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. But the family is messed up enough already since the mother is a drunk. Don't think that I'm saying that the kid should be accquited of what he did - he shouldn't. He committed a terrible crime. But the family was already ****ed up enough before this happened.

I agree...what the kid did was terrible and inexcusable. He should not be accquited, however, he should not be exectued as many here seem to advocate. As a society we reserve the punishment of death for the most severe crimes. As horrible as raping anyone is, let alone your own mother, it is not as serious as murder and therefore does not warrant the punishment of death or torture. The kid is clearly mentally unstable and obviously needs a lot of help...as a society we need to make sure that he gets that help.

[danidoll521]

it happened in Alabama, in a trailer, when his mom was passed out drunk on the couch.....God I hate the south....

I just want to say that not all of the south is like this area of Alabama...there are even some very nice places in Alabama. Don't hate on the south just because of some sick kid. This could have happened anywhere.

[MrSmith]

I agree...what the kid did was terrible and inexcusable. He should not be accquited, however, he should not be exectued as many here seem to advocate. As a society we reserve the punishment of death for the most severe crimes. As horrible as raping anyone is, let alone your own mother, it is not as serious as murder and therefore does not warrant the punishment of death or torture. The kid is clearly mentally unstable and obviously needs a lot of help...as a society we need to make sure that he gets that help.
As much as you might want to blame society for this rape, he's 19 FFS. Don't you think he's a little past 'help'?

[savanahrose]

I just want to say that not all of the south is like this area of Alabama...there are even some very nice places in Alabama. Don't hate on the south just because of some sick kid. This could have happened anywhere.


i second that motion. The south is not full of perverts. They are all over.

[MrSmith]

i second that motion. The south is not full of perverts. They are all over.
The US is full of perverts? :eek:

[savanahrose]

Yup!

[MrSmith]

Except yourself :D

[swingerofbirch]

it's not right to harm other people, however, i don't think people who say it's disgusting and that he should be murdered are right either. i think the enlightened way to see it as the result of some very complicated circumstances. usually what we see as the final act that makes it to the headlines is the most sensational symptom. and it's easy to get mad at a symptom. i hope all three of them find what they need.

[MrSmith]

i hope all three of them find what they need.
Your username suggests one possibility.

[swingerofbirch]

Your username suggests one possibility.

I never thought of my user name that way. But I now see very easily how it would be read to mean someone who thrashes another with a birch. I guess that's what you saw in it? On message boards I usually use the name swingerofbirches, an allusion to Robert Frost's "Birches."

I don't remember why I truncated the name here, maybe there was a character limit?

But let me say that I unequivocally oppose nonconsensual hitting of any form.

[MrSmith]

I never thought of my user name that way. But I now see very easily how it would be read to mean someone who thrashes another with a birch. I guess that's what you saw in it? On message boards I usually use the name swingerofbirches, an allusion to Robert Frost's "Birches."

I don't remember why I truncated the name here, maybe there was a character limit?

But let me say that I unequivocally oppose nonconsensual hitting of any form.
And that sure is a good thing, but when you read about things like the episode in question the idea of physical justice doesn't seem so unpalatable (though I personally am not advocating the death penalty by any means). Whether physical punishment against a physical crime is acceptable is up to the individual conscience. Perhaps we should ask ourselves the question, 'What if it was our daughter?' to find out where we really stand. I know where I stand on that.

[wallock]

Why waste tax dollars to keep human filth like that alive for the next 40-50yrs, seriously the guy RAPED HIS MOTHER it can't get much worse then that. The guy is an abomination. some crimes are just unforgivable.

If you knew anything you would know that executing someone is much more expensive than life in prison. It's a fact, because when someone gets sentenced to death they are entitled to as many appeals as possible (at the expense of the state) and it should be that way. No one should die who is innocent. Even in this case, image executing him and then finding out his mother actually molested him from when he was young - I am not saying that happened, but you need to be cautious

At any rate - executing is far more expensive than life in prision

[wallock]

As much as you might want to blame society for this rape, he's 19 FFS. Don't you think he's a little past 'help'?

I don't - my feeling is that if someone can be productive (murderer, rapist or whatever) then why kill them?

Many murders have gone on to lead good lives after prison (if they were properly rehabilitated).

[MrSmith]

I don't - my feeling is that if someone can be productive (murderer, rapist or whatever) then why kill them?

Many murders have gone on to lead good lives after prison (if they were properly rehabilitated).
As I said above, I'm not advocating the death penalty either. I'm just saying the softly-softly help-them-against-society's-wrongs approach is probably like trying to talk a fire into extinguishing itself. IMO.

[velocityg4]

I didn't say that that the boy is right or that the rape was fine - because it's not - but if the family is so ****ed up that the mother passes out on the couch from drinking, then the family is terrible as it is.

How do you know that the family is ***ed up? Perhaps only the son is the only demented S.O.B. and needs to die buried alive next to an anthill with only his head sticking out covered with honey.

The mother could have been out with her friends drinking and clubbing after a long day at her lucrative career then passed out on the couch watching TV after a fun night, just because she was passed out does not mean they are trailer trash. That the mother passed out after pounding a handle of Jim Bean while watching a Jerry Springer marathon.

Since the article does not indicate the families socio-economic standing there is no justifiable bases for labeling the family as terrible. Perhaps the other son is captain of his schools football team and class valedictorian. While the mother runs her own law firm. Only one family member committed an act that deserves ridicule, disgust and severe punishment without a chance for absolution nor leniency.

[MrSmith]

Since the article does not indicate the families socio-economic standing there is no justifiable bases for labeling the family as terrible.
Such an unstinting belief in human nature in accepting the possibility that this is in fact a middle-class cucumber-sandwiches-with-the-vicar-after-service family does you credit. However, the facts are likely to reveal another story, I'm sorry to say. No doubt more like America's mullet (http://www.mullet.com/) class.

[velocityg4]

Such an unstinting belief in human nature in accepting the possibility that this is in fact a middle-class cucumber-sandwiches-with-the-vicar-after-service family does you credit. However, the facts are likely to reveal another story, I'm sorry to say. No doubt more like America's mullet (http://www.mullet.com/) class.

Yes, you more than likely correct, that these individuals may indeed be members of the mullet class.

I was simply taken aback by judging an entire families lifestyle based on superfluous evidence. Since some people are just mentally unstable or sociopaths regardless of upbringing.

[MrSmith]

I was simply taken aback by judging an entire families lifestyle based on superfluous evidence. Since some people are just mentally unstable or sociopaths regardless of upbringing.
I agree that in the real world this would be extremely bigoted. But on a forum like this we aren't face to face with the people concerned so all we have to base our opinions on is what we read. The facts as presented (mother drunk on the couch) suggest this isn't the best of families. The alternative is for no-one to say anything here until we know all the facts - but then it would be a pretty quiet forum. :D That's all. I shouldn't form the impression that MR is full of loaded guns. Some here seem ready to kill, just not all. :D