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iJaz
Nov 2, 2006, 03:27 PM
The strangest stuff I've read in a loooooong time!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/cmp/20061102/tc_cmp/193501149
Probably Microsoft spreading the FUD! :mad:



combatcolin
Nov 2, 2006, 03:34 PM
Still too early to judge.

iJaz
Nov 2, 2006, 03:41 PM
Some good comments over at Wired http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2006/11/ipod_owners_may.html

lmalave
Nov 2, 2006, 03:43 PM
There is NO freaking way this "survey" was legitimate. There NO way more than 50% of consumers would go to, say, a Best Buy, see the 30 GB Zune and 30 GB iPod next to each other, at the SAME $250 price, and opt to go to the Zune. Will some consumers go for it? Sure - maybe they prefer the larger screen size (even though it's same resolution as the iPod). But over 50%?!!? Gimme a break. I predict only a tiny percentage of consumers would choose the Zune. I'll be shocked if Microsoft breaks 10% market share with this first-gen Zune.

feelthefire
Nov 2, 2006, 03:48 PM
I'm probably going to switch. I'm tired of iTunes, I'm tired of Apple's DRM, I'm tired of AAC, I'm tired of paying a jillion dollars for a silicone case because it's for an iPod, I'm tired of paying $10+ for movies in such low quality I wouldn't burn them to a DVD if I could because it's too difficult to rip my own, and I'm tired of needing a mac with handbrake just to get videos because videora fries my computer.

In short, I'm tired of the style over function bit and I'm happy to see someone else drop a device with potential. I personally think the iPod is way too ubiquitous and the only reason I still have mine is because I bought a new nano that I really like. But the video? not for me. I think the iPod is just played out. I'm looking to be different, not to have what every other person and their mother, father, brother, and dog all have.

But maybe that's just me pulling a "think different" again.

crees!
Nov 2, 2006, 04:10 PM
I'm probably going to switch. I'm tired of iTunes, I'm tired of Apple's DRM, I'm tired of AAC, I'm tired of paying a jillion dollars for a silicone case because it's for an iPod, I'm tired of paying $10+ for movies in such low quality I wouldn't burn them to a DVD if I could because it's too difficult to rip my own, and I'm tired of needing a mac with handbrake just to get videos because videora fries my computer.

So you're tired of Apples way of doing things, but switching to MS and Zune will be just more of the same. If you're tired of all this your best bet is to go back to buy physical CDs and DVDs in stores, period. Not that would be "thinking different"... well maybe "thinking old school".

quagmire
Nov 2, 2006, 04:11 PM
I'm probably going to switch. I'm tired of iTunes, I'm tired of Apple's DRM, I'm tired of AAC, I'm tired of paying a jillion dollars for a silicone case because it's for an iPod, I'm tired of paying $10+ for movies in such low quality I wouldn't burn them to a DVD if I could because it's too difficult to rip my own, and I'm tired of needing a mac with handbrake just to get videos because videora fries my computer.

In short, I'm tired of the style over function bit and I'm happy to see someone else drop a device with potential. I personally think the iPod is way too ubiquitous and the only reason I still have mine is because I bought a new nano that I really like. But the video? not for me. I think the iPod is just played out. I'm looking to be different, not to have what every other person and their mother, father, brother, and dog all have.

But maybe that's just me pulling a "think different" again.

And you think MS's DRM will be any better? That when the Zune finally gets video capability and the Zune marketplace has movies it will be cheaper then Apple's price or at the same price and better quality?

iowamensan
Nov 2, 2006, 04:12 PM
I'm tired of paying a jillion dollars for a silicone case because it's for an iPod

You think a case for the Zune will be any cheaper? Dream on, buddy.

stainlessliquid
Nov 2, 2006, 04:52 PM
They can add me to that list. Ive had a 10gb 3G iPod since just before the 4G came out and I have seen NO reason to upgrade since Apple has generally offered nothing but the same since day one (click wheel and color screen = not worth the price for another iPod. Pictures? give me a break. Movies? getting better but not on that screen Steve-o).

I want a new GUI mostly, and Apple simply refuses to update so I refuse to buy another iPod. The Zune's GUI is truly a sight to behold compared to Apple's outdated one, so its looking mighty appealing to me right now. I can live without the scroll wheel, its definately the best way to scroll through songs but Im more of a GUI guy.

I think this is actually very good news that Apple could see most of their customers ditch them, Apple will finally be forced to wake up and get their act together to make an ipod worthy of the year 2006. I want to get another ipod but if Apple doesnt give me something different than my 3G then I'll be getting a Zune. I hope to see the same innovation in their "2nd" ipod that we saw in the first so they can compete with the Zune and reclaim their dominance.

Eraserhead
Nov 2, 2006, 05:03 PM
I was thinking about this on the bus this morning (as it's been around the web since yesterday) and realised that 58% is actually quite low, and shows the Zune isn't any good, just think about every ad for a beauty product you have ever seen (or anything else with a survey for that matter), they often use surveys and I've never seen one with a percentage of lower than 80 to 90%. Apple has nothing to worry about here.

EDIT: Wired said it was an online survey, probably on http://www.anythingbutipod.com :rolleyes:

calculus
Nov 2, 2006, 05:06 PM
I'm probably going to switch...
...the only reason I still have mine is because I bought a new nano that I really like.

The only reason you're keeping it is because you like it? But you will probably switch? I don't understand what you're saying.

vi2867
Nov 2, 2006, 05:11 PM
Looking at the Zune, it looks like the iPod 5 years ago. They are five years behind the current iPod, and I don't think they will catch up.

Apple is just more creative...;)

crees!
Nov 2, 2006, 05:13 PM
They can add me to that list. Ive had a 10gb 3G iPod since just before the 4G came out and I have seen NO reason to upgrade since Apple has generally offered nothing but the same since day one (click wheel and color screen = not worth the price for another iPod. Pictures? give me a break. Movies? getting better but not on that screen Steve-o).

I want a new GUI mostly, and Apple simply refuses to update so I refuse to buy another iPod. The Zune's GUI is truly a sight to behold compared to Apple's outdated one, so its looking mighty appealing to me right now. I can live without the scroll wheel, its definately the best way to scroll through songs but Im more of a GUI guy.

So you seem to be saying the only thing you like or need to do with your iPod is listen to music. Since when do you listen with your eyes? You find what you want to listen to then it sits in your pocket. There's nothing to look at.

Yes, I understand wanting a better/different GUI but that has nothing to do with listening to music. Do you have a GUI on your cassette player or record player? Same thing goes here for music. For pictures/video/movies/games.. okay.. but that's different.

Superdrive
Nov 2, 2006, 05:17 PM
They can add me to that list. Ive had a 10gb 3G iPod since just before the 4G came out and I have seen NO reason to upgrade since Apple has generally offered nothing but the same since day one (click wheel and color screen = not worth the price for another iPod. Pictures? give me a break. Movies? getting better but not on that screen Steve-o).

I want a new GUI mostly, and Apple simply refuses to update so I refuse to buy another iPod. The Zune's GUI is truly a sight to behold compared to Apple's outdated one, so its looking mighty appealing to me right now. I can live without the scroll wheel, its definately the best way to scroll through songs but Im more of a GUI guy.


What does MS offer besides a GUI and how do you plan to improve upon it? You are going to add a background to your menus and add eye candy? In my opinion, Apple's interface is about as good as it gets. Music>Artists>Albums>Songs. Don't need much else.

stainlessliquid
Nov 2, 2006, 05:21 PM
So you seem to be saying the only thing you like or need to do with your iPod is listen to music. Since when do you listen with your eyes? You find what you want to listen to then it sits in your pocket. There's nothing to look at.

Yes, I understand wanting a better/different GUI but that has nothing to do with listening to music. Do you have a GUI on your cassette player or record player? Same thing goes here for music. For pictures/video/movies/games.. okay.. but that's different.

If I wanted to just listen to music then why get an iPod in the first place? You can get cheaper mp3 players that play music just as well, the iPod doesnt even sound the best compared to some players. iPods offer a more pleasing user experience compared to other mp3 players because theyve always had a better GUI and just look so much better. The Zune may not look as good as an iPod but its far from terrible looking, I think its GUI makes up for the exterior in the end and will offer a better experience than using an iPod. They both play music the same but if the Zune is funner to use then whats the point of buying an iPod?

What does MS offer besides a GUI and how do you plan to improve upon it? You are going to add a background to your menus and add eye candy? In my opinion, Apple's interface is about as good as it gets. Music>Artists>Albums>Songs. Don't need much else.
Im not sure how to answer that since its like asking "what does Mercedes offer besides more luxury?" Isnt it self explanitory why a better GUI makes something better? The only thing it really lacks is a scroll wheel (which I rarely actually need to use for long lists).

Kolind
Nov 2, 2006, 05:24 PM
I think it's worth noting that the survey states that it is 58% of people looking to buy a new mp3 player within the next 12 months, that would consider a Zune. That taken into consideration I would have expected the percentage to be higher...

It's not like 58% of people who own an iPod would go out and buy a Zune.

archurban
Nov 2, 2006, 06:01 PM
that's just wrong. now itunes eats up more than 67% of video, 75% of all contents in the market with ipod. zune? they need to build decent content first. Zune is not even played for podcast, audiobooks. who wants? wifi? that's lame feature.

feelthefire
Nov 2, 2006, 06:29 PM
The only reason you're keeping it is because you like it? But you will probably switch? I don't understand what you're saying.


I will keep my nano, but instead of buying an iPod video, vPod, whatever new, mostly useless device that comes out, I'll probably be getting a Zune, or holding onto my nano for awhile more. It plays music and that's all I really care about. The only time I'd watch videos is at the gym, in which case, the ability to flip the screen and use different video formats is a plus for me. Same reason I was considering the creative vision:M but creative's software bites the big one. If Zune can offer me better, then Zune it is.

The only iPod that could persuade me to stay is a Product (RED) video device, simply because I support the cause and brand awareness of product red more than I care about the iPod versus whatever else debate. If they drop one tomorrow as rumored, then there is less of a question in my mind.

Chundles
Nov 2, 2006, 06:32 PM
I will keep my nano, but instead of buying an iPod video, vPod, whatever new, mostly useless device that comes out, I'll probably be getting a Zune, or holding onto my nano for awhile more. It plays music and that's all I really care about. The only time I'd watch videos is at the gym, in which case, the ability to flip the screen and use different video formats is a plus for me. Same reason I was considering the creative vision:M but creative's software bites the big one. If Zune can offer me better, then Zune it is.

The only iPod that could persuade me to stay is a Product (RED) video device, simply because I support the cause and brand awareness of product red more than I care about the iPod versus whatever else debate. If they drop one tomorrow as rumored, then there is less of a question in my mind.

You do realise that "flipping the screen" just puts it in the same 4:3 aspect ratio of the iPod and that both screens are the same resolution?

The Zune's screen is not a widescreen.

feelthefire
Nov 2, 2006, 06:38 PM
You do realise that "flipping the screen" just puts it in the same 4:3 aspect ratio of the iPod and that both screens are the same resolution?

The Zune's screen is not a widescreen.

both are the same res, but watching 3" is still less sucky than watching 2.5". I'm trying not to go blind here.

If all I was going to do was watch video, I'd buy the creative PMP. Since I plan to do that about twice over the life of the device, it's not a big deal, so the music options of the Zune (including, hallelujah, a subscription service for unlimited music so that I can hear all of a whole album before I decide to buy it) are a nice feature.

crees!
Nov 3, 2006, 07:04 AM
If I wanted to just listen to music then why get an iPod in the first place?
Then why did you since you said you don't need/want pictures and movies in their current required state of quality aren't up to your personal standards?

You can get cheaper mp3 players that play music just as well, the iPod doesnt even sound the best compared to some players. iPods offer a more pleasing user experience compared to other mp3 players because theyve always had a better GUI and just look so much better. The Zune may not look as good as an iPod but its far from terrible looking, I think its GUI makes up for the exterior in the end and will offer a better experience than using an iPod. They both play music the same but if the Zune is funner to use then whats the point of buying an iPod?

Well if you only want to listen to music and not buy anything from iTunes then there's nothing preventing you from staying with the iPod and moving on to something else. But if you want to use the iTunes Store your only legal purchase is that of an iPod.

This is a quite simple decision you know? There's no reason to make it into a big deal.

gloss
Nov 3, 2006, 07:12 AM
"He seems to have been crushed by this boulder."

"It appears to be a giant grain of salt, sir."

thejadedmonkey
Nov 3, 2006, 07:38 AM
I, personally, think MS is going to do well. I'll most likely get a vista upgrade for free from College, WMP11 will be 11x sexier than iTunes, and uh... I too am still using a 3rd gen iPod, and see no reason to upgrade. Hopefully the Zune will provide me with some functionality that the iPod lacks... like a radio! So yeah, consider me one of those 57% of people apple needs to watch out for.

P.S. I was looking around the zune website, and they've got a bunch of nice stuff, including a Windows XP theme. I'm using it now.. it's a nice change. That's really what i want.. a change. I want to be one one of those 5% with a zune, sort of like how I was one of those 5% with an iPod, back in 01. Hell, if I ever use my 1st gen iPod, people think it's a rip off it's that old. I think I'll get a zune. Time to Be Different.

iMeowbot
Nov 3, 2006, 07:49 AM
There is NO freaking way this "survey" was legitimate.

I think that the survey was on the level, but the summary was spun to generate headlines for ABI.

The question asked was "How likely would you be to choose Zune over a competitor?" Answer choices (the reported ones anyway) were "not at all likely", "not very likely", "somewhat likely", "extremely likely". The 59% includes both the somewhat and extremely likely replies.

Those are always squishy questions. Does "somewhat likely" mean that the respondent is seriously considering a purchase, or does it mean "meh" ? Where is the neutral option?

The "not at all/not very likely" got 15%, so they've only accounted for 75% of the answers there. What did the other quarter think?

Swarmlord
Nov 3, 2006, 08:38 AM
So you seem to be saying the only thing you like or need to do with your iPod is listen to music. Since when do you listen with your eyes? You find what you want to listen to then it sits in your pocket. There's nothing to look at.

Yes, I understand wanting a better/different GUI but that has nothing to do with listening to music. Do you have a GUI on your cassette player or record player? Same thing goes here for music. For pictures/video/movies/games.. okay.. but that's different.

Exactly. I don't need a GUI or anything fancy since I've set up all the playlists I want and only need a quick way to select one of them and I never look at the screen again.

The picture feature of the newer iPods is interesting since I do have a show car and it would be nice to display pics of the restoration on a device, but 3x5 or 8x11 printouts still look a lot better.

I personally don't understand the video thing. I can't imagine watching a movie on a screen that small. Sux enough to watch on the 9 inch Sony DVD portable I have or the headrest screens I have in my Volvo.

lmalave
Nov 3, 2006, 09:09 AM
And you think MS's DRM will be any better?

One thing that the MS world has that the Apple world doesn't have is a subscription service. Something like RhapsodyToGo was a brilliant idea, except that the DRM was too buggy. Since Microsoft controls both the hardware and the software in the Zune, though, that should make their subscription service run more smoothly.

I wish iTunes would get a subscription service already. I think the "but I want to own my music!" argument is so stupid. I mean, I *want* to own 100x as much music as I can actually afford, and subscription services let me download as much music as I have hard drive space for!!! (even more with Rhapsody, since you could flag songs as "streaming only", which means you only store a URL to the stream).

I mean think of it this way: would you prefer to own a bare-bones 17" iMac, or rent a maxed-out 24 " iMac indefinitely for $20/month? *That's* the kind of value that subscription services are offering. More music than you could ever afford, for the price of one decent restaurant meal a month.

ClassicFitness
Nov 3, 2006, 09:49 AM
One thing that the MS world has that the Apple world doesn't have is a subscription service. Something like RhapsodyToGo was a brilliant idea, except that the DRM was too buggy. Since Microsoft controls both the hardware and the software in the Zune, though, that should make their subscription service run more smoothly.

I wish iTunes would get a subscription service already. I think the "but I want to own my music!" argument is so stupid. I mean, I *want* to own 100x as much music as I can actually afford, and subscription services let me download as much music as I have hard drive space for!!! (even more with Rhapsody, since you could flag songs as "streaming only", which means you only store a URL to the stream).

I mean think of it this way: would you prefer to own a bare-bones 17" iMac, or rent a maxed-out 24 " iMac indefinitely for $20/month? *That's* the kind of value that subscription services are offering. More music than you could ever afford, for the price of one decent restaurant meal a month.

And when you stop giving your monthly payment to M$, what will happen? They will take back all your songs and you'll be left with nothing.

This "but I want to own my music!" like you mention earlier, is not that bad after all. And yes I prefer own my 17" imac then rent a 24'' who won't be mine.

milo
Nov 3, 2006, 11:09 AM
I'm probably going to switch. I'm tired of iTunes, I'm tired of Apple's DRM, I'm tired of AAC, I'm tired of paying a jillion dollars for a silicone case because it's for an iPod, I'm tired of paying $10+ for movies in such low quality I wouldn't burn them to a DVD if I could because it's too difficult to rip my own, and I'm tired of needing a mac with handbrake just to get videos because videora fries my computer.

I don't see how the Zune is going to solve most of those problems. Drm, a mandated software app, proprietary file format. And movies for zune won't be available to buy *at all*. At least not for a while, and it would be silly to buy a video player before knowing what will be available. As for making your own, has MS given specifics about what video formats are supported and what apps will convert to them?

I'm pretty skeptical about this poll, depending on how you phrase the questions you can get people to agree to just about anything.

redbandit
Nov 3, 2006, 11:49 AM
You can't make GUI with out UI.

stainlessliquid
Nov 3, 2006, 02:10 PM
Then why did you since you said you don't need/want pictures and movies in their current required state of quality aren't up to your personal standards?



Well if you only want to listen to music and not buy anything from iTunes then there's nothing preventing you from staying with the iPod and moving on to something else. But if you want to use the iTunes Store your only legal purchase is that of an iPod.

This is a quite simple decision you know? There's no reason to make it into a big deal.
I bought the 3G years ago, back then it was the best mp3 player around, so it was up to my standards for UI and looks. The current gen iPods are very far from reaching my standards for a UI. Im not going to pay 250 bucks for a color screen and a click wheel since thats really all that has changed since the 2G. I think the black iPods are the best looking so far, but like I said earlier I dont think the Zune is bad looking enough to buy an iPod over it. iTunes was also another factor for getting the iPod, I HATE with a PASSION the Real Jukebox and anything else from Real, I also hated all those other stupid programs for music management that mp3 players used, iTunes was by far the best. By looking at the Zune software it looks like real competition for iTunes, if not better, so I'm not so worried about losing iTunes.

Ive only bought like 3 songs from iTunes too, usually iTunes doesnt have the music I want anyways. I hate DRM so I wont be buying music from Zune Market either. What I would love to do with iTunes is buy/find music from other countries, I would deal with DRM for that.

The decision is simple for me, I want a revamped "OS" for my mp3 player. Apple thinks their UI is good enough to last 5+ years (this reminds me of something.... oh ya, Windows XP). The Zune offers a truly modern and majorly supperior GUI (the black one doesnt look too bad to boot either). If Apple doesnt break out of this laziness slump theyve been in and offer something different with their next iPod then Im getting a Zune. I probably wont get a Zune for awhile just so I dont kick myself if Apple does come out with something better, but Im not waiting much longer than after new years.

esabourin
Nov 5, 2006, 05:37 PM
I own a 80GB White Video
My Sister owns a 1g 4GB Black Nano
My Mom owns a 30GB Black Video
My neighbours have iPods
My Best Friend has an iPod
Half of my class has an iPod
67 000 000 peopls have an iPod (according to wikipedia)
Zunes are gunna suck,,and once people realize that it does, nobody will buy them,

Stridder44
Nov 5, 2006, 08:22 PM
Some of you consider MP3 players that have FM tuners in them. Isn't that the reason that you got an MP3 play in the first place, was to get away from crappy radio??

Wifi? It would be cool if they didn't limit it.

Subscribtion Based Services? You like renting your music instead of owning it?

And finally, accessories. Good luck finding any accessories for non-iPods (even one's that have been out for a while).

Stridder44
Nov 5, 2006, 08:26 PM
I mean think of it this way: would you prefer to own a bare-bones 17" iMac, or rent a maxed-out 24 " iMac indefinitely for $20/month? *That's* the kind of value that subscription services are offering. More music than you could ever afford, for the price of one decent restaurant meal a month.

That isn't even relevant. Computers go out of date over time. Music doesn't work like that. Try again.

Also, as soon as you stop paying the subscription fee you can have fun deleting all the dead files, which used to be songs, off your HD. Then again, not all of us pay for music...

Making monthly payments is better than owning something outright? You might have bad financial management skills.

SkyBell
Nov 5, 2006, 08:33 PM
But will M$ make the Zune compatible with OS X?

SMM
Nov 5, 2006, 08:41 PM
Anyone who knows statistics would have to laugh at the stupidity of that story. The only thing I did not hear was "..but wait, that's not all. Order now and..."

mdntcallr
Nov 9, 2006, 10:19 AM
Recently ABI Research conducted a survey where it touted that some 58% of iPod users would consider a switch to a Zune within the next 12 months. The tagline has been passed around online.

At face value it raises an interesting question. Are iPod users as loyal as the Apple faithful? The younger, hipper adoptees of the iPod are fickle. They could ditch the device just as quickly as they took it up and made it the 'it' digital device of the last several years.

However, looking carefully at the study's methodology, worries about the iPod's marketshare diminishing drastically are set aside in favor of questions about the study itself. Dig this: the number was reached by showing participants a picture of the Zune media player and then "other competitive media players" and being asked if they would pick the Zune.

The specific mention of an iPod is not in the language. Tell you what, show me a picture of a Zune next to a turd and I'll be 100% likely to indicate a Zune preference, but it doesn't mean I'm going to buy one. We'd like to see a little more detail about the survey in question before panicking just yet.

Although Apple-faithful can always get riled up by negative information, more ripping apart of the horrible methodology of this survey can be found in the comments at Mac Daily News, the iPod Observer, and Ars Technica's forum which provides a run down of the dodginess of the survey. This is not a reason to worry about iPod sales just yet.

Tobias Buckell is an author, freelancer, and professional blogger who owns stock in Apple.

http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2006/11/08/are-58-of-ipod-owners-really-thinking-of-a-zune-switch/
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Interesting article. in the press release on the study and the associated Zune PR, they make the most of the flawed study results. Microsoft. eck!

They want to lose money on Xbox and now try to kill Apple's Golden Halo.

Kolind
Nov 9, 2006, 10:25 AM
It's 58% of iPod users who considers buying a new mp3-player within the next 12 months - not 58% of all iPod owners.

mdntcallr
Nov 9, 2006, 10:37 AM
i can't explain the obvious lunacy here. but if apple wants to keep their market share. they better come with the ipod cell phones and a real video ipod.

Meatball
Nov 9, 2006, 01:55 PM
That's complete tosh! ;) No more needs to be said really

Maccus Aurelius
Nov 9, 2006, 02:09 PM
I have a question. Does anyone know if the Zune will even be compatible with OS X? The software interface is a big deal to me, and iTunes is the best i've ever used. Sonicstage was tolerable, but rather cruddy in comparison. Whatever Microcrap comes up with will probably be a parody of sorts to iTunes, but if it doesnt even work with a mac on OS X, why would it even matter? People are obviously going to buy zunes, but I find the likelihood of people going from iPod to Zune rather slim, even people considering buying a new player anytime soon. And if the Zune doesnt work on a mac, obviously the vast majority of them are out of the question. who wants to dual boot for a music player?

and to respond to "Brown is the new white" i read in an article about the Zune. I see crack is more popular than ever.

WildCowboy
Nov 9, 2006, 02:11 PM
This survey was previously discussed here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=248283).

Kolind
Nov 9, 2006, 02:11 PM
I just thought the Zune would work with Windows Media Player like iPod/iTunes - but now that I think about it, I don't actually know for sure :confused:

balamw
Nov 9, 2006, 02:25 PM
I just thought the Zune would work with Windows Media Player like iPod/iTunes - but now that I think about it, I don't actually know for sure :confused:
It has its own app and does not use WMP according to all the reports I've seen.

B