So where exactly is Nintendo Wii's 2nd & 3rd party support?

[mac000]

So Nintendo is going to "turn it all around this time" and not let happen what happpen to them with the Gamecube. - what happened? no 3rd part support.

I look at IGN.Com --> http://wii.ign.com/index/release.html release dates for 2007 for the Wii and there really isn't anything standing out besides a handful of games.

So i ask where is this 3rd party support? Are current games in development just not being acknowledged? I am totally psyched for the wii system and the change of control - but I want some serious games and i'm not talking about ports.

Whats going on here people? Is nintendo going to just be a casual gamers system? are there going to be some hardcore games outside of the mario/zelda/metroid franchise?

I wanna see some titles on the Wii that are on the PS3 & 360.

[twistedlegato]

I dont think there is such thing as 2nd party:p

[GFLPraxis]

I dont think there is such thing as 2nd party:p
Yes there is. Super Mario Strikers (and Charged) is a 2nd party game, developed by Next Level Games (Nintendo asked NLN to develop it for them).

So was F-Zero (wasn't it developed by Sega?), and Star Fox Assault (Namco).

[GFLPraxis]

So Nintendo is going to "turn it all around this time" and not let happen what happpen to them with the Gamecube. - what happened? no 3rd part support.

I look at IGN.Com --> http://wii.ign.com/index/release.html release dates for 2007 for the Wii and there really isn't anything standing out besides a handful of games.

So i ask where is this 3rd party support? Are current games in development just not being acknowledged? I am totally psyched for the wii system and the change of control - but I want some serious games and i'm not talking about ports.

Whats going on here people? Is nintendo going to just be a casual gamers system? are there going to be some hardcore games outside of the mario/zelda/metroid franchise?

I wanna see some titles on the Wii that are on the PS3 & 360.

IGN is missing a ton of stuff on there. I've got a PDF from Nintendo's Press site with a list of all third party games scheduled for release prior to March 31, 2007. It's a lot bigger than IGN's list.

I count 42 third party games to come out between now and March 31, 2007.

Plus we know of several more exclusives that aren't listed on IGN's page but have been announced in Famitsu and even had brief intro videos shown; stuff like Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles (rumored to be a modified Resident Evil 4 engine).

And a very large number of these games are exclusives.

Red Steel, RE:UC, Trauma Center, Raid Over The River, Sadness, Super Monkey Ball: Bananna Blitz, Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam, Far Cry: Vengeance, Harvest Moon, etc, etc are all Wii-exclusive third party games that are not on any other console.

[mac000]

maybe all i am saying is, Nintendo needs to get a good doce of mature games on the Wii.

Are you able to post the list of the PDF?

[zap2]

"Ubisoft has upped their number of titles in development for the console to 14 (eight of which are to be launch games and only three of which were previously known about),[57] while Midway Games has announced they have six titles in development,[58] and EA, the world's biggest software manufacturer, has recently increased their development efforts for the console, declaring they are going to support it '100%'.[59]"

Wikipedia...they have tons of Wii only games...with NGC there was 10 3rd part games, with Wii there are 21 3rd party games for release date

[raggedjimmi]

maybe all i am saying is, Nintendo needs to get a good doce of mature games on the Wii.

Are you able to post the list of the PDF?

Right, so really it isn't "where is the 2nd and 3rd party support?" (incidentally they are developing the Metroid Primes and F-Zeros) but it's more "where are the mature games?". You can play all the mature games you want; run about pretending to be a gangster! shoot a zombie or 2! I'm going to play the greatest Zelda game ever, the next F-Zero game, the next other age-less game.

hmm. Anyone else just think this is a shallow attempt to start a flame war?

[mac000]

is the Wii "widescreen" going to be a full 16:9 with no black bars for those with a widescreen TV?

meaning, plug in the coponent cables u get a native full widescreen image just like you were watching a HD channel on your HDTV?

[zap2]

"Mature" Games....plenty of them plus ageless kick arse games!
Alive

Alive is an upcoming Action/Survival video game by Ubisoft. The only known story details are that it takes place after an earthquake and that the player cannot resolve things just by shooting.

Sadness
Sadness is an upcoming video game for Nintendo's Wii by Polish video game developer Nibris. According to Nibris head Piotr Orlovsky said, "The scenario will have associations with narcolepsy, nyctophobia and paranoid schizophrenia. The scenario will surprise you." According to a Nibris press release, the action of Sadness will be placed before World War I in a Slavic country. Various methods of playing include slitting the throat of enemies with glass or throwing a rope over a wall using the similar motion with the freehand controller

According to NIBRIS, this game is only for adult players with strong nerves.
Contents

Darkness
You play as the potential savior of mankind in a world overrun by vampires. After facing defeat against the vampires, humans now hide in the sewers. Using your sword, martial arts abilities, and new people found along the way you try to save mankind while learning about your estranged father and the secrets within you.

Disaster: Day of Crisis
Far Cry: Vengeance
The Godfather: The Game
Heroes
Mortal Kombat: Armageddon
NASCAR 07
NBA Live 07
NCAA Football 07
Need for Speed: Carbon
Necro-Nesia
Project H.A.M.M.E.R.
Red Steel
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII
Blitz: The League
Call of Duty 3
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Double Agent
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles


Mature enough?

[raggedjimmi]

Can't your TV stretch the image? Just that with my 16:9 tube TV it gives you the option to either stretch the image or display black bars. And that's a decrepit old Toshiba TV.

Mature enough?

It'll be interesting to see what's next. 2nd and 3rd parties? tick. Mature games? tick. What's left...

[mac000]

Can't your TV stretch the image? Just that with my 16:9 tube TV it gives you the option to either stretch the image or display black bars. And that's a decrepit old Toshiba TV.



It'll be interesting to see what's next. 2nd and 3rd parties? tick. Mature games? tick. What's left...

i dont want a streched image, streched images look like crap

[zap2]

is the Wii "widescreen" going to be a full 16:9 with no black bars for those with a widescreen TV?

meaning, plug in the coponent cables u get a native full widescreen image just like you were watching a HD channel on your HDTV?

Wikipedia says "16:9 anamorphic widescreen support." Honestly I have no idea what that means, if you get your black bars or not....nor do I personally care

[mrgreen4242]

i dont want a streched image, streched images look like crap

All Wii games are supposed to support 480p widescreen. My el cheapo HD CRT has a stretch mode that fools most people into thinking they are watching a widescreen DVD at the minimum, if not actual HD content. I think that these super-HD fixed pixels displays are not at all what they are cracked up to be. :p

[raggedjimmi]

i dont want a streched image, streched images look like crap

*Shrugs* fine. 16:9 stretched to 16:10? oh ***** its the end of video gaming! Who can I turn to?

[mac000]

*Shrugs* fine. 16:9 stretched to 16:10? oh ***** its the end of video gaming! Who can I turn to?

eh , maybe i'm just confused. 2 weeks to go..

[Redneck1089]

Right, so really it isn't "where is the 2nd and 3rd party support?" (incidentally they are developing the Metroid Primes and F-Zeros) but it's more "where are the mature games?". You can play all the mature games you want; run about pretending to be a gangster! shoot a zombie or 2! I'm going to play the greatest Zelda game ever, the next F-Zero game, the next other age-less game.

hmm. Anyone else just think this is a shallow attempt to start a flame war?


Not at all. The man has a point--the last half of the N64's life, and all of the Gamecube's life most of the games were meant for five year olds. I hope Nintendo does something brilliant with the Wii. Mario and Zelda aren't enough to attract the majority of people over the age of 15.


No disrespect to anyone on here; I know there's a lot of huge Nintendo fans on the forum. That's fine. From my observations just about everywhere else Nindendo has a really, really, bad rep as being a kiddy company.

[GFLPraxis]

is the Wii "widescreen" going to be a full 16:9 with no black bars for those with a widescreen TV?

meaning, plug in the coponent cables u get a native full widescreen image just like you were watching a HD channel on your HDTV?


Short answer:
Yes

Long answer:
Yes, but one or two lazy game developers haven't put support for it in their games. Most games will support it though. Zelda supports 16:9 widescreen with progressive scan via component for example, native full widescreen :)

[GFLPraxis]

all of the Gamecube's life most of the games were meant for five year olds.

Do you seriously believe that Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2, Super Smash Bros Melee, Resident Evil 4, Wind Waker, etc were meant for five year olds?

[raggedjimmi]

Do you seriously believe that Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2, Super Smash Bros Melee, Resident Evil 4, Wind Waker, etc were meant for five year olds?

He's using a stereotype. Just because GTA didn't hit the GC (though did hit the GBA). The way I see it Nintendo has always aimed at age-less games. Mario, F-Zero (Especially), Smash Bros and co are games that require a lot of skill to complete, way more than a kid. These games aren't just universal. They're meant for game players, not people who have to be seen playing the in game.

[Redneck1089]

Do you seriously believe that Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2, Super Smash Bros Melee, Resident Evil 4, Wind Waker, etc were meant for five year olds?

Most people didn't care for Wind Waker. Metroid Prime 2...great, out of how many other lame games? Super Smash Bros Melee...good game for mutliplayer but does get rather bland after completing single player mode within a few hours. The Resident Evil games were mature, I'll give em that; not my cup of tea, however.

Those are my opinions. Trust me, I am not against Nintendo; I own every Nintendo system, including the Virtual Boy. I just look Nintendo's past, and current selection of games for the Gamecube and DS and am disappointed.


Macrumors is really one of the only places I know of where Nintendo has a massive following. Again, that's great...I'm a Nintendo supporter too so long as I like the games. If you think I'm bashing Nintendo, go talk to some casual gamers at a local school--not hardcore gamers that belong to forms, clans, and have almost lost all of their social lives, but gamers that like to purchase a system and occasionally play--and see what Nintendo's rep is. You'll most likely find a decreasing following for the "Big N" company simply because of the games.

[GFLPraxis]

Most people didn't care for Wind Waker. Metroid Prime 2...great, out of how many other lame games? Super Smash Bros Melee...good game for mutliplayer but does get rather bland after completing single player mode within a few hours. The Resident Evil games were mature, I'll give em that; not my cup of tea, however.


Uh-huh. Doesn't answer the question. You claimed these games were designed for five year olds. Frankly, I find most people who played it didn't mind Wind Waker, it's just that the few people who did are very outspoken.

Opinions are opinions. Resident Evil games aren't my type of games either; I never bought Resident Evil 4. But I disagree with the "GameCube games are for five year olds!" assessment.


As for the local schools; you're right. You know why? It's because high school kids are a bunch of idiots. This is coming from me (an 18 year old). Teenagers are obsessed with playing "cool", "mature" games. If it's not GTA, Resident Evil or Halo, it's "uncool". If blood and guts aren't raining everywhere while people have sex it's "kiddie". Talk to any male teenager for any length of time and you'll realize that they DON'T look for good gameplay, they look for blood and gore and "mature" content before they label a game good.

Do you have any idea how many teenagers I know think that Need for Speed: Most Wanted is one of the greatest racing games of all time? Because it has a "gangster" style and has you "tricking out your car" and other "cool" features, it's cool, even though the gameplay sucks. Zelda? What? It's colorful and not bloody? TEH KIDDIE!

The sad thing is I'm not exaggurating here. Teenagers tick me off immeasurably.


The gamers at GameStop (especially the employees) all play Nintendo (there are Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo fans there, but they play games on each console). Meanwhile, the teenager customers are usually the most irritating ("Nintendo? That's for little kids! I'm going to buy GTA! Mom, can you buy it for me please?" I've heard that from 12 year olds.)

[raggedjimmi]

Metroid Prime 2...great, out of how many other lame games?

You mustn't have seen the Playstation 2's library. God knows how many games came out for it but look at them. For every millionth game theres one that's actually worth playing.

Interestingly if you look at the top 10 games on MetaCritic, 3 are Nintendo games (Zelda on top, duh), 3 are Sony, 3 are Sega and 1 is Microsoft (non 360). :cool: not that it's proving any point mentioned here. it's just interesting. BUT if you would like it to mean something; 2 out of 3 Sony games were on every system (1 being out on Xbox too). Quality over quantity? I'm sad to not see MGS in the absolute top 10.

^and agrees with Praxis. I only realised recently that some of my mates do the whole "mature" gaming thing. Of course they're also the womanising ones who sob whenever they can't get a girl, but that's another story. Windwaker did suck cuz Link looks like a PowerPuff girl though :rolleyes: which completely alters the gameplay, somehow!

[Oblivious]

Yes there is. Super Mario Strikers (and Charged) is a 2nd party game, developed by Next Level Games (Nintendo asked NLN to develop it for them).

So was F-Zero (wasn't it developed by Sega?), and Star Fox Assault (Namco).

That doesn't make those developers 2nd Party, it just means they made an exclusive title.

A 2nd Party is an independent game developer that is owned by a 1st Party. For example, Retro Studios is a 2nd Party because they are owned by Nintendo. Bungie is a 2nd Party because it is owned by Microsoft.



Anyway, I think that Nintendo has received a ton of interest from developers, and most of them are planning titles to come out in the future. But since the Wii is so atypical, it may take them awhile to develop their games so that they play correctly. They want to spend time with the console and explore the possibilities to make the most effective game possible. Or at least that is how I would like to see it. :p

[Redneck1089]

Uh-huh. Doesn't answer the question. You claimed these games were designed for five year olds. Frankly, I find most people who played it didn't mind Wind Waker, it's just that the few people who did are very outspoken.

Opinions are opinions. Resident Evil games aren't my type of games either; I never bought Resident Evil 4. But I disagree with the "GameCube games are for five year olds!" assessment.


As for the local schools; you're right. You know why? It's because high school kids are a bunch of idiots. This is coming from me (an 18 year old). Teenagers are obsessed with playing "cool", "mature" games. If it's not GTA, Resident Evil or Halo, it's "uncool". If blood and guts aren't raining everywhere while people have sex it's "kiddie". Talk to any male teenager for any length of time and you'll realize that they DON'T look for good gameplay, they look for blood and gore and "mature" content before they label a game good.

Do you have any idea how many teenagers I know think that Need for Speed: Most Wanted is one of the greatest racing games of all time? Because it has a "gangster" style and has you "tricking out your car" and other "cool" features, it's cool, even though the gameplay sucks. Zelda? What? It's colorful and not bloody? TEH KIDDIE!

The sad thing is I'm not exaggurating here. Teenagers tick me off immeasurably.

Oh please. If you look at my post again in one place I said "five year olds," and in another I talked about Nintendo attracting people over 15 years old; my "five year olds" comment was an exaggeration. Anyone can see that.

I hope you never run a major company which revolves around people's likes and interests--you just called the majority of people who actually purchase these gaming consoles "idiots."


I've had the opposite experience with Wind Waker. I liked the game--never finished it--but liked it. However, most people I know didn't care for it. Whatever.

"Cool" sells. Get use to it. Blood, guts, and violence sell too; that's why you're always reading about some horrible event in the paper and/or seeing commericals for the next hardcore action movie like the upcoming James Bond on the television. It's not just the "teenage" sector of people attracted to that. All ages are.

People love the Need for Speed games because of those reasons you listed. You're absolutely right. Know why? It's called innovation. Something that Nintendo has always tried to be too--innovative (in terms of their hardware mainly). Need for Speed is innovative in allowing people to "trick" out their vehicles. It's something new. When that gets old something else innovative in the racing genre will come out which will allow players to trick out their vehicles, AND MORE. Faster and more complex is better. It sells. It's the same reason car manufactures keep upping the horse power and gadgets on their cars every year--faster and more complexity sells because its "innovative."

The thing about Nintendo games is that they aren't lacking in innovation, but are lacking in challenge (with the exception of a few), and a mature story line. That's my point.


It's quite true that there are rarely good games for Sony's and Microsoft's consoles too. However, in my eyes, Nintendo is the worst. But hey, it's my opinion. Be happy with your consoles and enjoy the new Zelda. I know I will...if it still does come out for my Gamecube as Nintendo promised over a year ago that it would.

[zap2]

I just look Nintendo's past, and current selection of games for the Gamecube and DS and am disappointed.
.

I'll let you say NGC was lacking some games that other system got...but how can you be angry with DS games? It has tons of great games!

[zap2]

and a mature story line.


"Mature" Games....plenty of them plus ageless kick arse games!
Alive

Alive is an upcoming Action/Survival video game by Ubisoft. The only known story details are that it takes place after an earthquake and that the player cannot resolve things just by shooting.

Sadness
Sadness is an upcoming video game for Nintendo's Wii by Polish video game developer Nibris. According to Nibris head Piotr Orlovsky said, "The scenario will have associations with narcolepsy, nyctophobia and paranoid schizophrenia. The scenario will surprise you." According to a Nibris press release, the action of Sadness will be placed before World War I in a Slavic country. Various methods of playing include slitting the throat of enemies with glass or throwing a rope over a wall using the similar motion with the freehand controller

According to NIBRIS, this game is only for adult players with strong nerves.
Contents

Darkness
You play as the potential savior of mankind in a world overrun by vampires. After facing defeat against the vampires, humans now hide in the sewers. Using your sword, martial arts abilities, and new people found along the way you try to save mankind while learning about your estranged father and the secrets within you.

Disaster: Day of Crisis
Far Cry: Vengeance
The Godfather: The Game
Heroes
Mortal Kombat: Armageddon
NASCAR 07
NBA Live 07
NCAA Football 07
Need for Speed: Carbon
Necro-Nesia
Project H.A.M.M.E.R.
Red Steel
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII
Blitz: The League
Call of Duty 3
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Double Agent
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles


Mature enough?

I felt I need to quote that because you still think Nintendo is lacking "mature games"

Nintendo is going to rock with the Wii...once people see, and understand its true power, and see its great games, they will get exicted. I gave a speech on the Wii, be for it people were attacking it, saying it graphics will be PS1 like,and after it tons of people were asking about it. They wanted to know how you play Madden on it, and tons of people were dieing to play my DS lite.

[Malus]

Mature doesnt have to involve blood and guts. Zelda to me is mature, even wind waker. The story is what is mature. Even Final Fantasy is mature, yes it has violence, but nothing thats major to give it an "M" rating.

I think it will be interesting on how the Wii is make RPG's fresh again...wouldn't mind seeing a FF7 remake, and doing Omnislash limit break on Sephiroth...hehe...then you might get your arms tired.

[greatdevourer]

The thing about Nintendo games is that they aren't lacking in innovation, but are lacking in challenge (with the exception of a few), and a mature story line. That's my point. a) Why the hell are you proud to be a redneck? Was your sister really *that* much fun that the world needs to know?
b) You clearly haven't played all that many of the "great" games, because most of them don't really have any storyline

[belovedmonster]

This argument kinda reminds me of movies...

Basically there's a big percentage of movies that have fast cars and fast women that are aimed purely at a teenage male audience and they generally suck. And the people who go to watch these movies are the same idiots who go on about Nintendo being for kids.

My point being, if someone thinks that Fast and Furious is a kick ass movie franchise do we really care what they think? I dont. These guys have no artistic or cultural brain cells to speak of.

That said, I wouldnt object to more Gears of War style games on the Wii, simply because Nintendo in recent years has failed to deliver those sorts of games. Choice and a wide selection of types of games is a good thing regardless which console it is and I think Nintendo should be catering to all genres and all types of players, including the guys who have no cultural or artistic brain cells.

[Counterfit]

saying it graphics will be PS1 like,

Now that's just ig'nant.
If Wii = 2(GameCubes), and GameCube > PlayStation 2, then Wii >>> PlayStation 1 must be true.

[raggedjimmi]

Snipped

1- Nintendo makes a profit 24/7, every month of the Cube, the DS, the GBA etc.
2- Nintendo has (had?) an equal market share to Microsoft, the "mature" kings.
3- Nintendo lacked online abilities yet again, had an equal market share to Microsoft.

If 1 and 2 are true, do I want to be playing and communicating with idiots online who instantly dismiss something as childish? Do I want people like that playing the same system as me? Do I want to be classified alongside them? No. Frankly they can stick with whatever else they're paying over the top for.
If they want to pay £450 for a mature console; then I get my laughs and poetic justice kicks in.

[MacRumorUser]

Mature doesnt have to involve blood and guts. Zelda to me is mature, even wind waker. The story is what is mature. Even Final Fantasy is mature, yes it has violence, but nothing thats major to give it an "M" rating. .

I have to completely agree. The Wind Waker to me is a far more a mature game than 'Mortal Kombat' could EVER aspire to be.

Even games like Saints Row or GTA are totally immature, their fun factor comes from extreme carnage you can create and the political incorrectness of doing so, but they are still immature.

This whole 'mature' tag is complete shite. Brain Age, Elktroplankton have a 3 ERSB rating, does that make them suitable for 3 year olds ?

However if your argument is for 'MATURE THEMES WITHIN THE GAMES' then yes the Cube & Wii could probably benefit there, but there is a definitive difference between a 'mature game' and a game with a 'mature theme'.....

[zap2]

1-
2- Nintendo has (had?) an equal market share to Microsoft, the "mature" kings.
3- Nintendo lacked online abilities yet again, had an equal market share to Microsoft.

Very true...xBox has Live last time,which was a HUGE bonus, that fact NGC keep up with no real online is shocking in itself.

[takao]

well the mature and childish thing gets thrown around way to much ...

mostly by teenagers which makes it even more ridiculous


after all football is pretty childish too:
22 men dressed up in colorful bright clothes chase a ball over neatly cut bright green grass with their feet


that aside i never had problems finding games with higher ratings for the gamecube
generally one can say that if you want _real_ mature games you can only choose PC games ... and i'm not talking about shooters here ... think about simulations,building games, strategy games etc.

actually many mature games have rather low rankings (sim city, civilization etc.)


i'm 23 .. i have better things to do than bother about what other people might think of me when i play a game which might not fit their definition of a mature game ... it was no different 10 years ago where everybody was talking bout the bloody shooters of the time ...

[zero2dash]

Lots of launch games are ports?

-It's a console launch, EVERY console launch has few exclusives and LOTS of ports. Hello???

Not mature enough for you?

-God, this "mature" tag is getting thrown around too much, I agree with MRU & takao. If you equate "mature" with "blood and guts", then move along - nothing to see here. Blood and guts games are so ridiculously old news; the fact that anyone sees those as "mature" games anymore is insane. A game doesn't have to have blood and guts to be a mature title. You can take the cop-out and say that it does, but the fact is - it doesn't. And what's the big f'n deal with kiddie games being shat on so much? You know what? A lot of those (appropriately named) "kiddie titles" are excellent games, many of which are better than half of the "mature" games out there because they don't rely on blood and guts to get a point across, they do it with the storyline or control or, *gasp* FUN. Sheesh.

Nintendo doesn't have a "we only parlay for the KIDDIES" image, they have a bunch of gamers in the world throwing a misdirected "stereotype" at them because they publish more 'E for Everyone' rated games in the US than Microsoft or Sony. But that's a bad thing though, right? I mean, they should forget about the kids. It's not like any of us were kids at any one point in time. :rolleyes:

[mrgreen4242]

People love the Need for Speed games because of those reasons you listed. You're absolutely right. Know why? It's called innovation. Something that Nintendo has always tried to be too--innovative (in terms of their hardware mainly). Need for Speed is innovative in allowing people to "trick" out their vehicles. It's something new. When that gets old something else innovative in the racing genre will come out which will allow players to trick out their vehicles, AND MORE. Faster and more complex is better. It sells. It's the same reason car manufactures keep upping the horse power and gadgets on their cars every year--faster and more complexity sells because its "innovative."


I'm not going to get all wrapped up in this kiddie vs mature argument, because frankly I don't care. I just wanted to point out that modding a car in a video game is nothing new. GT on the PS1 had some pretty intense modding options, if I recall. F1 Racing on PC around the same era had some very involved options. Go back to the SNES and there was Rock and Roll Racing which let you upgrade your car quite a bit.

Anyways, just wanted to point out that NFS is hardly an innovator.

[zero2dash]

Need for Speed is innovative in allowing people to "trick" out their vehicles. It's something new. When that gets old something else innovative in the racing genre will come out which will allow players to trick out their vehicles, AND MORE. Faster and more complex is better. It sells. It's the same reason car manufactures keep upping the horse power and gadgets on their cars every year--faster and more complexity sells because its "innovative."

Bzzt wrong.
NFS wasn't the first to do it.
There have been several racers that did it first (as mrgreen stated) with the notable "import tuner" game that did it first being Shotokou Highway Battle (released as Tokyo Xtreme Racer in the US for the DC and Ps2).

[tk421]

Mature doesnt have to involve blood and guts. Zelda to me is mature, even wind waker. The story is what is mature. Even Final Fantasy is mature, yes it has violence, but nothing thats major to give it an "M" rating.

I think it will be interesting on how the Wii is make RPG's fresh again...wouldn't mind seeing a FF7 remake, and doing Omnislash limit break on Sephiroth...hehe...then you might get your arms tired.

I agree as well. Personally, GTA really turns me off. Why? The so-called "mature" content. I love Zelda, and it does have its moments of violence (when you beat Ganon in Wind Waker, for example) but that is not the purpose of the game. GTA may in fact be a very well-made game, too, but I will never try it. I just don't care for the content.

I'd love Nintendo to have more market share, because that means more games. And I'd like to see them succeed because they value innovation. But as long as they keep making a profit, that's fine with me. Even if they aren't selling more than XBox and Playstation, they'll still be around making great games. Kind of like Apple :)

[Antares]

Forget the "MA" games. Where are the "Ao" games. :confused: I have yet to see any, anywhere. The Wii controller would be great for them. I have a number of good concepts, myself.

Anyway, the Wii seems to be getting a lot more 3rd party support than with the Cube. And a lot more interest from developers as well. I just hope that this holds up through the life of the system.

[raggedjimmi]

Anyway, the Wii seems to be getting a lot more 3rd party support than with the Cube. And a lot more interest from developers as well. I just hope that this holds up through the life of the system.
Because it's extremely cheap and easy to develop for, and has a lot of public support. That's what happens when the competition costs too much to develop for. But IMO 3rd party= bad. Just look at the crap on PS2 and Xbox.

GTA may in fact be a very well-made game, too, but I will never try it. I just don't care for the content.

Take it from me - it is not a very well made game. It's buggy as hell. The game does well with kids though. I know the people I know don't make up everyone, but from what I've seen older people are tending to play simulation games whereas the younger kids (my little brother for one) can't get enough of his GTA.
Quality doesn't come into it. at all. it really is just raw content with no regard to presentation of such.

[bobber205]

For me, I don't care if there's much if any 3rd party support for the Wii.

I have just enough money and time to play Nintendo's games. The rare 3rd party ones are just icing on the cake for me. :D

[seenew]

Animal Crossing is a pretty "mature" game, too. You have to manage your money, time, and friends. :p