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xsedrinam
Nov 6, 2006, 06:21 PM
So, which are the close races in your particular region of the U.S. to be decided tomorrow? What significance if any is there to more women being elected to Congress? Will Missouri be in misery (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/05/AR2006110501260.html?nav=rss_print/asection) tomorrow, as predicted, with the election process? Maybe a new state to replace Floriduh, although that would take some doing?



yg17
Nov 6, 2006, 06:48 PM
So, which are the close races in your particular region of the U.S. to be decided tomorrow? What significance if any is there to more women being elected to Congress? Will Missouri be in misery (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/05/AR2006110501260.html?nav=rss_print/asection) tomorrow, as predicted, with the election process? Maybe a new state to replace Floriduh, although that would take some doing?

Missouri's always in misery. Elections or not, this state sucks :D

Anyways, I already did my absentee ballot a couple weeks ago. Hopefully it actually gets counted, you know how things have been recentely :rolleyes:

jelloshotsrule
Nov 6, 2006, 06:49 PM
i'm in maryland, so i'll be voting for a couple tight races... sarbanes' senate replacement, and whether or not erlich will be re-elected as governor.

i have hated cardin's attack ads, and loved steele's responses. however, i cannot vote for steele based on several of his stances. cardin seems to go out of his way to NOT tell us what he believes in. i'll be voting green.

i still need to read up on the governor race. i will not be voting for erlich, although he's certainly a moderate republican (perhaps further left than jim webb in virginia... running as a dem against allen). i'll read up more on o'malley and the third party candidates and most likely vote o'malley or green.

trebblekicked
Nov 6, 2006, 07:34 PM
i voted absentee in pennsylvania, and only had three races and one referendum to vote on. i spent saturday volunteering with call for change, working hard to get santorum booted from office.

the house seat that was up for grabs in my district had no GOP candidate; it was a green vs. a dem. i'm a registered green and voted for titus north (http://www.votenorth.org/). i don't think he'll win, but he would have made a terrific representative.

santroum is in big trouble. seeing him removed from office will make me very happy, although i hope another democrat challenges casey in the next primary, should he win. he's far, far, far from perfect.

MacNut
Nov 6, 2006, 07:48 PM
Maybe the biggest race in the country is happening here, its a three way race between Schlesinger Lieberman and Lemont. The race is predicted to be close but the polls are still giving Joe the edge.

xsedrinam
Nov 6, 2006, 08:25 PM
The "polls" (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/06/poll.congress/index.html) are reported as favoring the Democrats on the issues. It'll be interesting to see what kind of credibility the polls have. Bush and Co. seem to sneer at polling and accompanying stats. I'm most curious to see if the some 86,000,000 projected U.S. voters who show up are predispositioned for change.

MacNut
Nov 6, 2006, 08:35 PM
How accurate are those polls, they are just as reliable as Nielson ratings. People either will change there mind last minute or not decide or just lie so its really hard to get a reading on gallop polls.

thedude110
Nov 6, 2006, 08:37 PM
Ayuh.

I'm walking into the booth tomorrow to vote for Lamont. But I'm but one voice in sea of "moderates."

If people are as stupid as the right thinks, maybe folks really will have trouble finding Joe on the ballot ...

pseudobrit
Nov 6, 2006, 08:42 PM
The "polls" (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/06/poll.congress/index.html) are reported as favoring the Democrats on the issues. It'll be interesting to see what kind of credibility the polls have.

Are we talking about the scientific polls or the Diebold polls?

clevin
Nov 6, 2006, 09:36 PM
MO, Jim Talent is a monkey
MD. Michael Steel has nothing back other than his skin, yeah. he is smart, except he never be on the right side
RI. Chafee, he isn't bad at all, but his very existence is helping GOP
MT, If Conrad Burns can win, MT can vote a cow to be next president, since they apparent don't care about any value
VA. Macaca Allen isn't smart at all, plus enjoy spending other people's life for his agenda
TN, Never like Ford. and don't understand why he think he can win the election in a state with such a tradition. GOP is right, TN voting for black people is "NOT RIGHT".

Ugg
Nov 6, 2006, 09:41 PM
Nothing too controversial here. I voted for Angelides but am sure Arnie is going to win. His tone actually changed quite a bit this last year and he's been fairly progressive on a lot of issues. I don't know if that's simply a smokescreen to get re-elected or sincerity.

xsedrinam
Nov 6, 2006, 09:57 PM
Are we talking about the scientific polls or the Diebold polls?

I have my doubts that ORC (http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/images/11/06/rel28c.pdf) gets too scientific, but that's about the extent of it, at least this particular link.

nbs2
Nov 6, 2006, 10:23 PM
I will be voting tomorrow in Maryland Legislative District 21 - which means I'll be voting for myself.:D

beatsme
Nov 6, 2006, 10:29 PM
I'm not registered in my current district, though I'm still registered in my last one...2 counties over. I'm wondering how guilty I should feel about driving over to my old precinct and voting :D

pseudobrit
Nov 6, 2006, 10:39 PM
I will be voting tomorrow in Maryland Legislative District 21 - which means I'll be voting for myself.:D

Which one of these guys are you?

http://www.thesentinel.com/300241545833636.php

solvs
Nov 7, 2006, 01:29 AM
Either way we're screwed, but 1 way we get screwed a lot less. Rather have people who do nothing than people who do everything wrong. So yeah, voting mostly Dem this year even though I don't like half the people I'm voting for. The people I'm voting against are a lot worse.

This is why I didn't used to vote, but this year's way too important to "protest".

Ugg
Nov 7, 2006, 01:37 AM
Either way we're screwed, but 1 way we get screwed a lot less. Rather have people who do nothing than people who do everything wrong. So yeah, voting mostly Dem this year even though I don't like half the people I'm voting for. The people I'm voting against are a lot worse.

This is why I didn't used to vote, but this year's way too important to "protest".

The candidates here are pretty easy to vote either for or against. I would love to see my congressman voted out but I doubt that's going to happen but my vote for his opponent is at the very least a way of expressing my displeasure with Herger's right wing, reactionary stance. Every time he sends out a mailing, I make sure to write him a letter telling him how dissatisfied I am with him.

Maybe I'm just getting older, but voting has become increasingly important to me. Protesting by not voting is just another form of apathy I've discovered.

it5five
Nov 7, 2006, 01:39 AM
I'll be voting for Pederson tomorrow, even though douchebag Kyl is probably going to win. I'll also be voting against the "protect marriage" amendment, since if it passes civil unions will be illegal in Arizona for both straight and gay couples. I'll also be voting to raise the minimum wage in AZ (even though it probably won't pass).

I hate this state. Tomorrow all of the bigots are going to vote to make English the official language (already is?), they are going to vote to make same sex marriages illegal (they already are?), and they are going to vote in favor of punishing children of undocumented immigrants.

solvs
Nov 7, 2006, 02:10 AM
Protesting by not voting is just another form of apathy I've discovered.

That's why I said "protest". ;)

maxterpiece
Nov 7, 2006, 03:12 AM
Which one of these guys are you?

http://www.thesentinel.com/300241545833636.php

That article is pretty funny. I didn't know there was a sore loser law. WTG to him for finding a loophole in it though.

Agathon
Nov 7, 2006, 03:39 AM
Well, I guess it is a red letter day. We get to find out whether the US slide toward fascism has definitely reached the tipping point or not.

And what's up with the people of Connecticut? Why the hell would anyone re-elect Joe Lieberman? He must be the most egotistical man in America.

Peterkro
Nov 7, 2006, 03:58 AM
Protesting by not voting is just another form of apathy I've discovered.

I don't believe that Ugg by voting your taking part in their game which is there to bolster the fantasy that there is a choice,there isn't whoever you vote for a politician will get in.

Don't vote it just encourages the Bastards.

or alternatively if you must vote:

Vote early Vote often.

:rolleyes:

Queso
Nov 7, 2006, 06:23 AM
I don't believe that Ugg by voting your taking part in their game which is there to bolster the fantasy that there is a choice,there isn't whoever you vote for a politician will get in.

Don't vote it just encourages the Bastards.
Just keep voting out the incumbent unless they put their constituents first. Do it every election until the crap gets pushed aside. Might take 20 years, but in the end they'll get the message and start listening to the people who vote them into their nice cushy job.

Flaw in this plan is that it requires several million people to put aside party politics and think, which isn't going to happen. Ever.

MACDRIVE
Nov 7, 2006, 06:38 AM
Nothing too controversial here. I voted for Angelides but am sure Arnie is going to win. His tone actually changed quite a bit this last year and he's been fairly progressive on a lot of issues. I don't know if that's simply a smokescreen to get re-elected or sincerity.

I'm voting for Schwarzenegger too. Not because of his political affiliation, but because I like him as a person. Everyone else I'm voting Democrat, because I'm hoping that they will take the house and give Bush a hard time.

Dont Hurt Me
Nov 7, 2006, 07:34 AM
Allready voted:) we had 1 question here in South Carolina and that was not allowing the govt to grab folks land to build malls and crap. That got a big yes from me. Land grab is only for public use like roads & schools etc.

clevin
Nov 7, 2006, 07:48 AM
I'm voting for Schwarzenegger too. Not because of his political affiliation, but because I like him as a person. Everyone else I'm voting Democrat, because I'm hoping that they will take the house and give Bush a hard time.
see, thats what Im saying, nobody is saying anything against the GOPs who govern from middle and has common sense, its the far right that control the GOP's capital Hill agenda need to be thrown out, That means GOP senators and Representatives.

Dont Hurt Me
Nov 7, 2006, 08:03 AM
It would be a good thing to get some balance back in our Federal Govt, Having the republicans run it all isnt good for this country as their record shows. Though I tried Im sorry to say my old mother still voted for these corrupt guys. Goes to show you how deep the hatred is for the democrats and how the Republicans have done a better job at wearing the Christian Badge. She seemed to think Bush kept her safe which is a total lie.
On another note in South Carolina we had a vote that asked should Marriage be defined as meaning the union of 1 Man & 1Woman and nothing else.

nbs2
Nov 7, 2006, 08:42 AM
Which one of these guys are you?

http://www.thesentinel.com/300241545833636.php

Neither. I'm running (http://www.sood2006.com)for the House of Delegates (not the Senate).

Really, that race is a bit like the VA US Senate race - two guys that are really from the same party, just one is a bit more centrist than the other and leapt to the opposing party. Funny thing is that Rosapepe is a tool that a lot of guys from the Eastern Europe division at the State Department hate (from Rosapepe's days as an Ambassador).

Lyle
Nov 7, 2006, 09:03 AM
Neither. I'm running (http://www.sood2006.com)for the House of Delegates (not the Senate).I really hate to tell you this now, but this page isn't loading for me (not that I can vote for you anyways). The domain name is resolved properly, but it just leads to a Comcast error page. Perhaps Comcast pulled the plug on your page for some reason?

Anyways -- best of luck today.

Thomas Veil
Nov 7, 2006, 09:14 AM
I am prepared to be floored Tuesday night/Wednesday morning.

Ohio has a history of voting wrong lately. And yet...


Ted Strickland has come from behind. He's so far ahead of Ken Blackwell for governor, it's no contest.
Sherrod Brown, with almost no statewide name recognition, looks like he's going to defeat Mike DeWine.
We're about to pass a new minimum wage, tied to the inflation index, by a wide margin.
A gambling issue (which tried very hard to disguise itself as an education issue) looks like it's going down to defeat.
Another issue, nominally anti-smoking, would have actually loosened smoking laws...and according to polls, it looks like it's going down to defeat.
Voting liberal? Actually knowing when they're being bull****ed on the issues? This is so unlike Ohio. :D

Thomas Veil
Nov 7, 2006, 09:25 AM
Neither. I'm running (http://www.sood2006.com)for the House of Delegates (not the Senate).nbs, I don't know if you want to tell everybody here that you're running for office.

Can you imagine something you said here in this forum turning up in a TV commercial against you someday? Especially if it's twisted to mean something that you really didn't mean? (Not that that ever happens. :rolleyes: )

Anyway, good luck to you. :)

Ugg
Nov 7, 2006, 10:11 AM
see, thats what Im saying, nobody is saying anything against the GOPs who govern from middle and has common sense, its the far right that control the GOP's capital Hill agenda need to be thrown out, That means GOP senators and Representatives.


My point was, is Arnie sincere in governing from the middle with common sense or were his actions over the past 6-9 months simply to get himself re-elected?

Time will tell, but personally, I don't trust him. He's too tied to big biz and his star power is too distracting. He also spends hardly any time in Sacramento, and that really bothers me.

zimv20
Nov 7, 2006, 10:39 AM
I'm running (http://www.sood2006.com)for the House of Delegates (not the Senate).
neat. best of luck to you.

btw -- your site's not loading for me, either.

xsedrinam
Nov 7, 2006, 11:40 AM
I really hate to tell you this now, but this page isn't loading for me (not that I can vote for you anyways). The domain name is resolved properly, but it just leads to a Comcast error page. Perhaps Comcast pulled the plug on your page for some reason?

Anyways -- best of luck today.
Same here. Page(s) won't load.

aquajet
Nov 7, 2006, 12:00 PM
*sigh* (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/07/election.roundup.ap/index.html)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Voters put the Republican congressional majority and a multitude of new voting equipment to the test Tuesday in an election that defined the balance of power for the rest of George W. Bush's presidency.

...

About a third of voters were using new equipment, and problems in several states were reported right out of the gate. The government deployed a record number of poll watchers to the many competitive races across the country. (Watch why the monitors are being dispatched -- 1:59 )

Glitches delayed balloting in dozens of Indiana and Ohio precincts, and Illinois officials were swamped with calls from voters complaining that poll workers did not know how to operate new electronic equipment.

In Delaware County, Indiana, officials planned to seek a court order to extend voting after an apparent computer error prevented voters from casting ballots in 75 precincts.

Florida officials, working to avoid a repeat of the vote-counting debacle of 2000, fielded extra voting machines, paper ballots and poll workers.

In the Jacksonville suburb of Orange Park, Florida, voters were forced to use paper ballots after an electronic machine broke.

...

nbs2
Nov 7, 2006, 12:27 PM
Same here. Page(s) won't load.

neat. best of luck to you.

btw -- your site's not loading for me, either.

I really hate to tell you this now, but this page isn't loading for me (not that I can vote for you anyways). The domain name is resolved properly, but it just leads to a Comcast error page.

All better now. It's been rough trying to get that figured out...

Thomas Veil
Nov 7, 2006, 12:29 PM
...calls from voters complaining that poll workers did not know how to operate new electronic equipment.
You know, maybe using volunteers to man the precincts isn't a good idea.

Maybe it should be more like a Family Leave kind of thing. I'd rather see poll workers be someone like a guy who has a 8-5 tech job, who (by law) has to be given the day off with pay because he volunteered for this duty.

The system we have now favors people like retirees, and while I don't want to slam the whole group, it seems anecdotally that some of them have a hard time working these newfangled gizmos.

The voting machine breakdown issues are, of course, a completely different matter.

kirk26
Nov 7, 2006, 12:30 PM
Go George Allen! Voted for him this morning.:cool:

nbs2
Nov 7, 2006, 12:32 PM
nbs, I don't know if you want to tell everybody here that you're running for office.

Can you imagine something you said here in this forum turning up in a TV commercial against you someday? Especially if it's twisted to mean something that you really didn't mean? (Not that that ever happens. :rolleyes: )

Anyway, good luck to you. :)

Thanks.

I know it's a risk, but at the same time, I try to be as fair in here as I am with the public. It is possible that someone would twist my words, but I believe that when people are afraid to express their opinions for fear of twisting, we the voters are the losers. The one joy of living outside of DC has been the double dose of ads from VA and MD. Watching all the twisting makes me skittish - I believe that the campaign reveals the person underneath...

beatsme
Nov 7, 2006, 12:32 PM
Neither. I'm running (http://www.sood2006.com)for the House of Delegates (not the Senate).

Really, that race is a bit like the VA US Senate race - two guys that are really from the same party, just one is a bit more centrist than the other and leapt to the opposing party. Funny thing is that Rosapepe is a tool that a lot of guys from the Eastern Europe division at the State Department hate (from Rosapepe's days as an Ambassador).

website is back up now...I just got on. Though I had to do some digging to find out who's running in District 21.

zimv20
Nov 7, 2006, 12:33 PM
All better now. It's been rough trying to get that figured out...
congrats on passing the bar!

nbs2
Nov 7, 2006, 12:34 PM
The system we have now favors people like retirees, and while I don't want to slam the whole group, it seems anecdotally that some of them have a hard time working these newfangled gizmos.

That's been a problem in MD, which has led to difficulty in finding Election Judges. If I recall correctly, some counties here tapped into the HS crowd to find folks that would understand the machines and had time off.

zimv20
Nov 7, 2006, 12:39 PM
Go George Allen! Voted for him this morning.:cool:
i do hope he wins. racism is making a big comeback and he's a natural leader.

iGary
Nov 7, 2006, 12:39 PM
i'm in maryland, so i'll be voting for a couple tight races... sarbanes' senate replacement, and whether or not erlich will be re-elected as governor.

i have hated cardin's attack ads, and loved steele's responses. however, i cannot vote for steele based on several of his stances. cardin seems to go out of his way to NOT tell us what he believes in. i'll be voting green.

i still need to read up on the governor race. i will not be voting for erlich, although he's certainly a moderate republican (perhaps further left than jim webb in virginia... running as a dem against allen). i'll read up more on o'malley and the third party candidates and most likely vote o'malley or green.

I voted for Ehrlich because O'Malley is a snake oil salesman. I don't believe him. Erlich was the only Republican I voted for.

I voted for Cardin over Steele because Steele is the Republican Obama--hand picked by Karl Rove.

I forgot who else I voted for, but mostly Democrat.

it5five
Nov 7, 2006, 01:08 PM
Just got back from voting.

It was in a church. Yeah, my voting place was a church. How neutral is that. :rolleyes:

The voting should have been done anywhere else besides this church. There are 2 schools within 5 minutes of the church, which is where the voting should have been done.

iGary
Nov 7, 2006, 01:59 PM
Just got back from voting.

It was in a church. Yeah, my voting place was a church. How neutral is that. :rolleyes:

The voting should have been done anywhere else besides this church. There are 2 schools within 5 minutes of the church, which is where the voting should have been done.

Mine is in a church, too.

Stupid.

miniConvert
Nov 7, 2006, 02:02 PM
Mine is in a church, too.

Stupid.
Bloomin' 'eck! I just don't get how things must work over there. I've been reading news stories all day that have been mystifying me, but voting in religious buildings? That just seems totally mad. Mad mad mad. If I say it enough times, does the 'jew appear?

xsedrinam
Nov 7, 2006, 02:18 PM
Mine is in a church, too.

Stupid.
Though it didn't used to be or was contested more, it seems that the pragmatic need for facilities which accommodate the disabled (wheel chair ramps, et. al.) in some communities (http://mainstreetnewspapers.com/articles/2006/10/26/salem/news/news08.txt) is one reason. It's still disbuted, but each State has its own Statutes.

atszyman
Nov 7, 2006, 02:30 PM
Mine is in a church, too.

Stupid.

That's part of the plan. Since God ordained the Republicans to lead us, by having the voting in Churches, God can smite the heathen Democrats and Independents for entering his house of worship without seeming partisan. Since votes are private smitings in public places would decrease turnout overall, however if the smiting is for entering the house of worship then only the heathens won't vote.

zimv20
Nov 7, 2006, 02:39 PM
i just returned from voting.

my county (and all of illinois? not sure) now has the most ridiculous, cartoonishly-large ballots i've ever seen. heavy cardstock and something like 20" x 12".

they give you a marker, and to vote you fill in the middle of a broken arrow that points to your candidate. then you feed the monstrous cardstock into a machine with a monstrous mouth and a green LED lights.

that's it. no feedback from the machine on how many votes it tallied. that would have been some valuable feedback, imo.

solvs
Nov 7, 2006, 02:54 PM
The last time I voted, it was in a church. This time, it's a school. I'll be heading out later after I drop lunch off to my Mother, also working in a school (but not the one I'm voting in, which is too bad because that would have been convenient), and run some errands. I want to get there after the kids let out but before most people get off work to avoid the rush. I wouldn't have minded a Church, but some do, which is why I think it's weird we still allow that.

I don't like anybody I'm voting for, except maybe 1 guy, but the others are just that deplorable. Arnie can pretend to be centerist all he wants, I've seen his true colors. Not that Angelides is good, he isn't, but I want to send a message. I expect Arnie to win, but hopefully not my much. Maybe he'll take the hint, unlike the guy he was aligning himself with just a few months ago. I still have no idea what to do about the Props, because even though I support what some of them stand for, most of them are poorly laid out. I'm sure they'll fail.

xsedrinam
Nov 7, 2006, 02:58 PM
I've been waiting today for any looney tunes stories out of the Missouri polls and elections. So, far MO. Sec. of State Robin Carnahan (http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/) getting hassled over ID by a poll worker is the first.

jelloshotsrule
Nov 7, 2006, 03:45 PM
ended up voting green for governor also. call me a commie.

i am really disappointed with our representative (van hollen)... in my area he has no real challenge.. i only saw like one of his signs where i voted (whereas the comptrollers had like 50 signs each, etc)... so i voted green against him too. he's been a pretty pro-war dude, which i'm not down for

when is it realistic to start seeing worthwhile results? i guess not til 6-7ish?

good news in general is that turnout is relatively high. bad news is that lots of problems with diebold, et al.

Macky-Mac
Nov 7, 2006, 04:14 PM
Mine is in a church, too.

Stupid.

hmmm.....mine is in an army building

here in my part of Los Angeles there aren't any races that are truely close......Arnold will be re-elected gov, Feinstein will be re-elected senator, Waxman will be re-elected to the House.......I'll go vote anyway as there are a number of propositions that are on the ballot

jelloshotsrule
Nov 7, 2006, 04:22 PM
check out cnn's homepage

on america's major voting day.... what gets the bright red breaking news banner???? results? major news in iraq or nk? nope. britney spears filing for divorce!!!! we're doomed.

yg17
Nov 7, 2006, 05:10 PM
Mine is in a church, too.

Stupid.

Mine's also in a church. Which instills some confidence in me, because being a somewhat christian conservative part of St. Louis, I know my ballot won't end up in a ballot box that turns up missing somewhere :rolleyes:

pivo6
Nov 7, 2006, 05:30 PM
... when is it realistic to start seeing worthwhile results? i guess not til 6-7ish?

good news in general is that turnout is relatively high. bad news is that lots of problems with diebold, et al.

Results, even exit polls, aren't available until after your state's polls close. Here in Minnesota, that means 8PM.

atszyman
Nov 7, 2006, 05:36 PM
You can see some non-exit polls at Pollster (www.pollster.com).

Bear in mind these are all poll based, not ballot counting so things may not be as they appear.

Edit:
After reading the site closer, and watching it for awhile it appears that these are not exit polls but instead the averages of the last x number of polls for each state. Thus they have little bearing on how races are going today.

maxterpiece
Nov 7, 2006, 06:06 PM
Go George Allen! Voted for him this morning.:cool:

Are you kidding me? This guy and Burns from Montana have to be the most arrogant, inconsiderate and heartless people in this whole election.

He called an indian dude who was filming him, macaca (a racial slur he learned from his mother), he had his cronies assault a marine who was trying to interview him. ASSAULT! They didn't even ask him to leave, or take his arm and walk him out. Two guys just jumped on him and slammed him into the wall, then took him to the ground. Allen just kept on walking. This guy is the worst kind of person.

Also if you are looking for something similar to polls that will give you a sense of how candidates might be doing, check out this site: http://www.thewsx.com/

clayj
Nov 7, 2006, 06:08 PM
http://www.comics.com/comics/getfuzzy/archive/images/getfuzzy2666350061106.gif

http://www.comics.com/comics/getfuzzy/archive/images/getfuzzy2033317061107.gif

Here in Charlotte (Mecklenburg County), we've had numerous reports of voters selecting a straight Republican ticket on the electronic voting machine, only to see checkmarks appear next to the names of all of the DEMOCRATS on the ballot.

xsedrinam
Nov 7, 2006, 06:11 PM
Because of technical issues at many of the polls, and tight races, I think it's safe to say results will be slower than normal (http://www.cqpolitics.com/2006/11/voting_problems_tight_races_co.html) and probably well in to the night or tomorrow, before some races delcare a winner.

wmmk
Nov 7, 2006, 06:12 PM
I will be voting tomorrow in Maryland Legislative District 21 - which means I'll be voting for myself.:D

whoa! what's your campaign website? I assume you're running for Congress, which is awesome!

never mind. just saw your website, which is cool! may i ask which party you are affiliated with?


Anyway, I'm not old enough to vote, but man, are things contested in Chicagoloand. Here in the 10th, I'm a big Seals supporter, but it looks like Kirk is going to get another term. The corruption of both Topinka and Blagojevich! Oy vey, it's terrible. Well, Stroger and Paraica don't set high standardards either. Illinois state politicans are really jokes this year. Oh well, at least I can think about the dems taking back the House (and maybe even Senate!!!)

atszyman
Nov 7, 2006, 07:08 PM
CNN Exit Poll (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006//pages/results/states/VA/S/01/epolls.0.html)

Hard to get a good breakdown since they don't do a single comprehensive result but from the income above/below $50,000 and above/below $100,000 it looks like the edge belongs to Webb.

He has 50% or more in both categories in both tables so he should be leading.

He also has all of the breakdown by age entries.

rdowns
Nov 7, 2006, 07:17 PM
I arrived to vote at 6:20am and there was chaos there. Sorry, but can't we do better than the geriatric, near dead people who man the polls in NYC?

They were yelling at each other that they were doing things wrong. I aksed a lady what the problem was and she said people showed up too early. I said that the polls opened 20 minutes ago and we were not early. She said if you can't wait, come back later. I waited and took each of their names down and will be writing an old fashioned letter to th Board of Elections.

For the first time ever, I voted straight Democratic except for NYS Comptroller. Couldn't see voting for a life long politician caught up in a scandal.

And it amzes me that we still vote on the same machines I remember seeing in grade school.

xsedrinam
Nov 7, 2006, 07:24 PM
It's still early on, but if Allen takes Virginia (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006//pages/results/states/VA/S/01/epolls.0.html), it does not bode well for any hopes of an across the board change. Some are saying, "as goes Virginia, so goes today's elections".

clayj
Nov 7, 2006, 07:27 PM
It's still early on, but if Allen takes Virginia (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006//pages/results/states/VA/S/01/epolls.0.html), it does not bode well for any hopes of an across the board change. Some are saying, "as goes Virginia, so goes today's elections".Fox News reported a few minutes ago that the Virginia GOP have claimed a "ridiculously high" turnout of GOP voters in that state.

We have no statewide races here in NC... just Congressional seats and some judges and local races.

Good to see (not) that ol' Senator KKK has been reelected in West Virginia.

atszyman
Nov 7, 2006, 07:28 PM
It's still early on, but if Allen takes Virginia (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006//pages/results/states/VA/S/01/epolls.0.html), it does not bode well for any hopes of an across the board change. Some are saying, "as goes Virginia, so goes today's elections".

As I've outlined in an earlier post, these polls point to Webb winning. Look at the age breakdown. Webb has 50% or more in every age bracket.

atszyman
Nov 7, 2006, 07:32 PM
CNN exit polls for Ohio (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006//pages/results/states/OH/S/01/epolls.0.html)

Looks like Brown is stomping DeWine.

xsedrinam
Nov 7, 2006, 07:37 PM
As I've outlined in an earlier post, these polls point to Webb winning. Look at the age breakdown. Webb has 50% or more in every age bracket.
The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/elections/2006/va.html) doesn't show that, although there's only a 2% precinct reporting, at present.

atszyman
Nov 7, 2006, 07:39 PM
The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/elections/2006/va.html) doesn't show that, although there's only a 2% precinct reporting, at present.

Yes the early reporting has Allen winning with less than 5% of the districts in. However it would be interesting to note which districts are reporting and how the exit polls correlate. Sounds like a job for Doctor Q. But he rarely enters the political discussions.

I have no idea how the counties are laid out so the breakdown by county does me no good. However it is worth noting that Webb polled better in the north so if all the reporting districts are southern it would track the polling.

Webb also appears to be gaining as more districts report.

rdowns
Nov 7, 2006, 07:42 PM
Strom Thurmond, er, Robert Byrd has won reelection. :rolleyes:

yg17
Nov 7, 2006, 08:02 PM
Webb just pulled ahead according to CNN!


And, so far, it's 21-9 in the house, Dems winning.

atszyman
Nov 7, 2006, 08:02 PM
CNN exit polls for Missouri (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006//pages/results/states/MO/S/01/epolls.0.html)
CNN exit polls for Maryland (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006//pages/results/states/MD/S/01/epolls.0.html)
CNN exit polls for Tennessee (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006//pages/results/states/TN/S/01/epolls.0.html)
CNN exit polls for Pennsylvania (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006//pages/results/states/PA/S/01/epolls.0.html)

Looks like McCaskill is leading in Missouri

Cardin appears to be leading in Maryland

Nothing definitive on Ford or Corker from the poll although the poll seems to show Corker ahead with 52% of the 18-64 vote (which is 75% of those surveyed) to Ford's 47%. Percentages are almost completely reversed on the flip side but 52% of 75% trumps 51% of 25% any day.

Santorum way behind as predicted.

And Webb pulls into the lead with 25% of districts reporting in Virginia

Dont Hurt Me
Nov 7, 2006, 08:10 PM
Webb just pulled ahead according to CNN!


And, so far, it's 21-9 in the house, Dems winning.Good he's a "former" republican:) Secretary of the navy, War Hero and has the medals to prove it, Allen as far as I can tell is running on he was the son of a famous football coach:confused:

MonksMac
Nov 7, 2006, 08:16 PM
Well It looks like the democrats are going to at least take over the House of Reps. I am completely fed up with the GOP and I 'm not even old enough to vote!

yg17
Nov 7, 2006, 09:08 PM
McCaskill currently has a 5% lead in MO

Also in MO:
Amendment 2 (to allow stem cell research) is ahead
Amendment 3 (tax on cigarettes) is ahead


Edit: Dammit, CNN begs to differ on McCaskill

MacNut
Nov 7, 2006, 09:13 PM
Can someone explain how they can call an election when nobody has reported yet.

xsedrinam
Nov 7, 2006, 09:15 PM
Corker leads Ford in Tennessee (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/elections/keyraces/19/) with just 14% precinct results. I wonder what % of Shelby County has been counted?

Mav451
Nov 7, 2006, 09:17 PM
HOW GEORGE W. BUSH IS HANDLING HIS JOB
TOTAL Allen Webb
Approve 93% 6%

Seriously, I wonder what these voters in VA have been watching. Fox News perhaps? :eek:

Agathon
Nov 7, 2006, 09:21 PM
http://www.comics.com/comics/getfuzzy/archive/images/getfuzzy2666350061106.gif

http://www.comics.com/comics/getfuzzy/archive/images/getfuzzy2033317061107.gif

Here in Charlotte (Mecklenburg County), we've had numerous reports of voters selecting a straight Republican ticket on the electronic voting machine, only to see checkmarks appear next to the names of all of the DEMOCRATS on the ballot.

Awesome! Rescued from their own stupidity. The computer age is wonderful.

yg17
Nov 7, 2006, 09:24 PM
House pickup in Kentucky 03!


But CNN cracks me up....100% of precincts reporting and they project him as the winner....isn't a projection a prediction? I'd say with 100%, him winning isn't prediction, it's a fact ;)


CNN also projects a Dem pickup in RI too :)

atszyman
Nov 7, 2006, 09:25 PM
HOW GEORGE W. BUSH IS HANDLING HIS JOB
TOTAL Allen Webb
Approve 93% 6%

Seriously, I wonder what these voters in VA have been watching. Fox News perhaps? :eek:

To be clear only 46% approve of the job Bush is doing, of that 46% 93% voted Allen, which isn't surprising.

pseudobrit
Nov 7, 2006, 09:26 PM
Can someone explain how they can call an election when nobody has reported yet.

Lopsided exit polls.

WildCowboy
Nov 7, 2006, 09:26 PM
But CNN cracks me up....100% of precincts reporting and they project him as the winner....isn't a projection a prediction? I'd say with 100%, him winning isn't prediction, it's a fact ;)

100% of the precincts doesn't include 100% of the votes. There are still absentee ballots that may not be counted for days yet.

pseudobrit
Nov 7, 2006, 09:27 PM
To be clear only 46% approve of the job Bush is doing, of that 46% 93% voted Allen, which isn't surprising.

Same thing seen with Santorum, who got his ass kicked nonetheless.

jelloshotsrule
Nov 7, 2006, 09:57 PM
Same thing seen with Santorum, who got his ass kicked nonetheless.

thank god that scumbag is gone.

oh, and thank god that virginia, and others are banning gay marriage today. all the married people i know are breathing a collective sigh of relief that the threat against them is lessened... :rolleyes:

bousozoku
Nov 7, 2006, 10:14 PM
Same thing seen with Santorum, who got his ass kicked nonetheless.

So, there is good news.

Katherine Harris, the gutsy woman, picked up 31 % of the vote according to the news tonight, so she's pretty much out of politics and money now.

latergator116
Nov 7, 2006, 10:14 PM
Well, it appears that Sheldon Whitehouse (Democrat) is going to defeat Lincoln Chafee for Senator here in Rhode Island. :)

MacNut
Nov 7, 2006, 10:19 PM
Mr Lamont has left the building.

Chundles
Nov 7, 2006, 10:31 PM
So, there is good news.

Katherine Harris, the gutsy woman, picked up 31 % of the vote according to the news tonight, so she's pretty much out of politics and money now.

Seth MacFarlane (as Stewie) on Katherine Harris:

"She's a woman who could stand next to Hitler and people would say 'who's the bitch'."

Just for the record, I have no idea who Katherine Harris is but I thought it was a funny quote. Check out his speech to the 2006 class of Harvard on YouTube, it's dead-set brilliant.

WildCowboy
Nov 7, 2006, 10:35 PM
Just for the record, I have no idea who Katherine Harris is...

She was Secretary of State in Florida during the Presidential election craziness in 2000 that went all the way to the Supreme Court.

More recently, she said that by not electing Christians to public office, we're "legislating sin."

Lyle
Nov 7, 2006, 10:37 PM
Mr Lamont has left the building.An interesting result after the Democrats threw Lieberman under the bus. :eek:

Lyle
Nov 7, 2006, 10:38 PM
She was Secretary of State in Florida during the Presidential election craziness in 2000 that went all the way to the Supreme Court.

More recently, she said that by not electing Christians to public office, we're "legislating sin."Her own party didn't want her to run, which tells you just how popular of a gal she is.

xsedrinam
Nov 7, 2006, 10:47 PM
Virginia's a lot closer than I thought it would be at 94% of precincts. There's stilll hope. Has any station called this one, yet?

miloblithe
Nov 7, 2006, 10:52 PM
It's looking like 51-47-2. At least it's an improvement, and at least the house is looking Democratic.

edit: hopefully speaking too soon. Come on Tester, Pederson, and Webb!

SMM
Nov 7, 2006, 10:52 PM
Her own party didn't want her to run, which tells you just how popular of a gal she is.

She is threatening to 'disclose' many secrets because she feels the people she sold her soul for have let her down. I really hope she does not do that. I despise her, but do not wish her dead. I think this lady could do serious damage to republicans, and at very high levels. The FL election was fixed and she knows where the 'smoking guns' are. There is no way she gets to come clean on this.

WildCowboy
Nov 7, 2006, 10:54 PM
Virginia's a lot closer than I thought it would be at 94% of precincts. There's stilll hope. Has any station called this one, yet?

It looks like the AP is calling it for Webb. :confused: Click here (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/interactives/wdc/senate/index.html?SITE=CAFRA&SECTION=SPECIAL) and then on Virginia. Seems to be a work in progress...it's not entirely clear.

61631

xsedrinam
Nov 7, 2006, 10:55 PM
It's looking like 51-47-2. At least it's an improvement, and at least the house is looking Democratic.
Dems pick up 9 of 15, thus far, according to a.....let's see, which station just reported that?

pivo6
Nov 7, 2006, 10:55 PM
Virginia's a lot closer than I thought it would be at 94% of precincts. There's stilll hope. Has any station called this one, yet?

Looks way to close to call. Does Virginia have a mandatory recount law if the difference is close?

WildCowboy
Nov 7, 2006, 10:57 PM
CNN showing new Dem House pickups:

2 in PA (Sestak and Carney)
1 in FL (Mahoney)

xsedrinam
Nov 7, 2006, 11:04 PM
CNN showing new Dem House pickups:

2 in PA (Sestak and Carney)
1 in FL (Mahoney)
Ya, it was CNN reporting that. And though in MO, Talent-R enjoys a 52%-44% lead over McCaskill-D, that's based on only 31% of precincts (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/elections/2006/mo.html) and St. Louis and St. Louis County haven't reported yet.

WildCowboy
Nov 7, 2006, 11:06 PM
CNN calling about four more Dem House pickups.

MSNBC calling the House for the Dems.

Edit: CNN also calling the House for the Dems.

xsedrinam
Nov 7, 2006, 11:27 PM
Looks way to close to call. Does Virginia have a mandatory recount law if the difference is close?
All I could find was legislation passed for random, post election audits (http://www.vavv.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=41) and paper trails. I don't know what Virginia legislation exists, if any, on mandatory recounts.

WildCowboy
Nov 7, 2006, 11:30 PM
All I could find was legislation passed for random, post election audits (http://www.vavv.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=41) and paper trails. I don't know what Virginia legislation exists, if any, on mandatory recounts.

CNN just said that if the margin is less than 1%, the loser can request an automatic recount.

pseudobrit
Nov 7, 2006, 11:30 PM
All I could find was legislation passed for random, post election audits (http://www.vavv.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=41) and paper trails. I don't know what Virginia legislation exists, if any, on mandatory recounts.

CNN just said if it's 1% or less the loser can demand a recount which must be done.

[edit] you need to test more alcohol to dull your reflexes, comrade!

WildCowboy
Nov 7, 2006, 11:35 PM
I just went through the county-by-county for Virginia on CNN, and it looks like most of the counties with outstanding precincts are voting for Webb.

Notably, only 67% of Richmond city precincts have reported, and the ones that have are voting 73% for Webb. Most of the other counties are smaller.

Loudon County has a number of outstanding results, but they're 50/50 split. Arlington and Charlottesville also have a good number of outstanding precincts, and they're going 75% for Webb.

freeny
Nov 7, 2006, 11:36 PM
Any one watching the RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman on CNN?

What a blow hole.

xsedrinam
Nov 7, 2006, 11:42 PM
I just went through the county-by-county for Virginia on CNN, and it looks like most of the counties without outstanding precincts are voting for Webb.

Notably, only 67% of Richmond city precincts have reported, and the ones that have are voting 73% for Webb. Most of the other counties are smaller.

Loudon County has a number of outstanding results, but they're 50/50 split. Arlington and Charlottesville also have a good number of outstanding precincts, and they're going 75% for Webb.
Interesting. Webb just closed to within less than 7000 votes (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/elections/keyraces/56/) with 98% precincts. If this trend holds its course, what a nail-biter of a night for Virginia.

IJ Reilly
Nov 7, 2006, 11:48 PM
Any one watching the RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman on CNN?

What a blow hole.

He was amazing! Incredible!

And people complain about Howard Dean.

atszyman
Nov 7, 2006, 11:49 PM
Webb's in the lead with 99% of districts in.

WildCowboy
Nov 7, 2006, 11:53 PM
Webb's in the lead with 99% of districts in.

Yep...all the Richmond votes just rolled in. They're now 98% reported.

pseudobrit
Nov 7, 2006, 11:58 PM
And Macaca Allen goes down.

freeny
Nov 8, 2006, 12:00 AM
Its funny that alot of Republicans are blaming their losses on the "6 Year itch".

Ah denial.....:rolleyes:

pseudobrit
Nov 8, 2006, 12:01 AM
Any one watching the RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman on CNN?

What a blow hole.

I missed it. What did he say?

freeny
Nov 8, 2006, 12:03 AM
I missed it. What did he say?

He keeps talking as if the Republicans are going to win.:rolleyes:

Also, His mouth is really gross to look at.

atszyman
Nov 8, 2006, 12:04 AM
It'll be interesting if Allen loses the recount and if any of the machine irregularities cause the GOP to be calling for more secure machines with a verifiable paper trail.

leekohler
Nov 8, 2006, 12:06 AM
He keeps talking as if the Republicans are going to win.:rolleyes:

His mouth is really gross to look at also.

Link? I can't find it.

freeny
Nov 8, 2006, 12:08 AM
Link? I can't find it.

This was on the TV, not on the website.

WildCowboy
Nov 8, 2006, 12:09 AM
Link? I can't find it.

He kept going on and on about Steele and what a historic day it was going to be when he wins, pointing to the Washington's Post pulling of their projection for Cardin. CNN reanalyzed and is standing by their projection, as most of the outstanding precincts are in heavily-Dem areas like Baltimore City and DC suburbs.

leekohler
Nov 8, 2006, 12:13 AM
He kept going on and on about Steele and what a historic day it was going to be when he wins, pointing to the Washington's Post pulling of their projection for Cardin. CNN reanalyzed and is standing by their projection, as most of the outstanding precincts are in heavily-Dem areas like Baltimore City and DC suburbs.

Haha! I just watched a**hole Rick Santorum's concession speech on CBS. A beautiful sight indeed.

IJ Reilly
Nov 8, 2006, 12:18 AM
I missed it. What did he say?

Every other word out of Mehlman's mouth was "incredible" and "amazing."

But the thought balloon over his head read, "I wonder if my resumé is up to date?"

leekohler
Nov 8, 2006, 12:24 AM
Hmm, funny that I see none of our conservative brethren out tonight. ;)

xsedrinam
Nov 8, 2006, 12:29 AM
The "Is George Allen a racist (http://www.alternet.org/story/41085/) ?" question may or may not have been satisfactorily answered for some, but if Allen did just go down tonight in Virginia, this is just deliciously huge. :D

IJ Reilly
Nov 8, 2006, 12:32 AM
And Macaca Allen goes down.

I don't believe anyone is calling this race yet -- with less than 3,000 votes between them and a recount a virtual certainty.

WildCowboy
Nov 8, 2006, 12:33 AM
McCaskill and Talent now essentially dead even with 73% reporting.

Tester up by 54-43 with only 29% reporting.

Could the Dems really pull this off?

leekohler
Nov 8, 2006, 12:35 AM
McCaskill and Talent now essentially dead even with 73% reporting.

Tester up by 54-43 with only 29% reporting.

Could the Dems really pull this off?

They can come damn close.

freeny
Nov 8, 2006, 12:36 AM
I need to go to sleep now (12:30am) but I feel I will sleep a little better than last night;)
If the Dems take the senate also it will just be icing on the cake.

Chundles
Nov 8, 2006, 12:38 AM
So, are the Dems actually going to grow a pair and do anything? Or will they just sit in silence scratching their heads going "shoot, what do we do now?"

Agathon
Nov 8, 2006, 12:41 AM
So, are the Dems actually going to grow a pair and do anything? Or will they just sit in silence scratching their heads going "shoot, what do we do now?"

Of course they won't do anything. But they will dress up the same thing differently.

If you really want change, vote for the Libertarians or the Communists. Otherwise, you'll get the same old…

freeny
Nov 8, 2006, 12:44 AM
Of course they won't do anything. But they will dress up the same thing differently.

If you really want change, vote for the Libertarians or the Communists. Otherwise, you'll get the same old…

You are not really seeing the point. One can only guess what the dems will or will not do. The important thing is that Bush has been castrated by the election tonight and balance of power has finally been restored. Bush is no longer the country sherriff.

it5five
Nov 8, 2006, 12:47 AM
i just returned from voting.

my county (and all of illinois? not sure) now has the most ridiculous, cartoonishly-large ballots i've ever seen. heavy cardstock and something like 20" x 12".

they give you a marker, and to vote you fill in the middle of a broken arrow that points to your candidate. then you feed the monstrous cardstock into a machine with a monstrous mouth and a green LED lights.

that's it. no feedback from the machine on how many votes it tallied. that would have been some valuable feedback, imo.

Arizona is exactly the same way. Except the machine where I voted told us how many monstrous cardstocks were inserted into the machine.

vniow
Nov 8, 2006, 12:55 AM
They can come damn close.

Damn close is right. According to this (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/senate/) page there's only three left to go, one favouring R and the other two D. That would put the Dems at 50/50.

freeny
Nov 8, 2006, 12:57 AM
Damn close is right. According to this (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/senate/) page there's only three left to go, one favouring R and the other two D. That would put the Dems at 50/50.

I honestly would rather the republicans hold the senate then for it to go 50/50. Cheney would get too much enjoyment being the tie breaker.

Chundles
Nov 8, 2006, 12:58 AM
Of course they won't do anything. But they will dress up the same thing differently.

If you really want change, vote for the Libertarians or the Communists. Otherwise, you'll get the same old…

Well I'm not allowed to vote for any of them but it'll be interesting to see what they do over the next few years.

Just an aside, the Speaker of The House is the leader of the majority party right? So Nancy Pelosi is your equivalent of our PM but not as powerful because our PM runs the house and acts as pseudo Head-of-State (yeah, the Governor General is our actual head of state in his role as the Queen's representative but he actually does bugger all).

If that's correct then if our system were transplanted into the US, Nancy Pelosi would be running the country, GWB would be attending awards ceremonies and opening buildings and the Queen would still technically be in charge.

Not sure what I'd feel about that....

zimv20
Nov 8, 2006, 01:01 AM
Just an aside, the Speaker of The House is the leader of the majority party right? So Nancy Pelosi is your equivalent of our PM
not really. her big responsibility is setting the house agenda. she's also 2nd in line for presidential succession (behind the VP). but her power doesn't really extend beyond the house.

zimv20
Nov 8, 2006, 01:02 AM
I honestly would rather the republicans hold the senate then for it to go 50/50. Cheney would get too much enjoyment being the tie breaker.
i say that the more time cheney spends in the spotlight, the better it is for the dems.

atszyman
Nov 8, 2006, 01:05 AM
I honestly would rather the republicans hold the senate then for it to go 50/50. Cheney would get too much enjoyment being the tie breaker.

I don't think Cheney's stint as tie breaker would last long. Either the GOP will lure Lieberman into their side or the Dems will get Spectre or Snow or another moderate republican who has been alienated by this administration to switch to Independent. At least those are my feelings. The GOP or Dem leadership will dangle a lot of key positions in front of the people they decide to court. Unfortunately I could see the GOP getting Lieberman before the Dems get a GOP member.

Chundles
Nov 8, 2006, 01:05 AM
not really. her big responsibility is setting the house agenda. she's also 2nd in line for presidential succession (behind the VP). but her power doesn't really extend beyond the house.

I meant purely that she was the leader of the majority in the house. Here that role would make her PM. Wasn't really examining the situation from a responsibility point-of-view.

it5five
Nov 8, 2006, 01:06 AM
Pederson lost in AZ, but I really wasn't expecting anything different.

Luckily, it seems as though the gay marriage ban is not going to pass here, and it looks like the minimum wage is going to be raised. On the down side, Arizona has become very anti-immigrant overnight. English is our offical language (still?), children of undocumented immigrants have to pay out of state tuition for college now (which means less of them are going to be going to college, and raised tuition for everyone else because universities need to create their own new administrative branch to verify the legal status of all students), undocumented immigrants can't receive bail any longer, and undocumented immigrants can no longer sue for punitive damages.

In the end, Arizona is still one of the worst states in the country.

yg17
Nov 8, 2006, 01:06 AM
I think McCaskill won. 80% in, and the remaining votes are from the VERY, VERY Democratic KC and STL areas

Peace
Nov 8, 2006, 01:18 AM
It's looking like the Dems will take Montana and Missouri..Virginia will be a recount and if Webb holds up in that the Democrats just shut down the Bush agenda.

zimv20
Nov 8, 2006, 01:25 AM
I meant purely that she was the leader of the majority in the house. Here that role would make her PM. Wasn't really examining the situation from a responsibility point-of-view.
gotcha.

zimv20
Nov 8, 2006, 01:26 AM
It's looking like the Dems will take Montana and Missouri..Virginia will be a recount and if Webb holds up in that the Democrats just shut down the Bush agenda.
holy crap, the dems might just take the senate as well. i thought there was no chance.

well damn, now i've got my hopes up.

vniow
Nov 8, 2006, 01:31 AM
holy crap, the dems might just take the senate as well. i thought there was no chance.

well damn, now i've got my hopes up.


Seriously. I may not go to bed early tonight.

xsedrinam
Nov 8, 2006, 01:38 AM
holy crap, the dems might just take the senate as well. i thought there was no chance.

well damn, now i've got my hopes up.
I can think of 1,143,756 Virginia reasons to dance, at least some, for the moment.

Counterfit
Nov 8, 2006, 01:40 AM
Well, it appears that Sheldon Whitehouse (Democrat) is going to defeat Lincoln Chafee for Senator here in Rhode Island. :)

Yeah. I like Linc, but I didn't want to leave the chance of a GOP controlled Senate to other states. (Not like me voting for him would have changed all that much, Warehouse won by almost 30k).
Looking at governor, it looks like Carcieri by a smidge. I'm rather surprised that he won my town.
Other RI stuff:
Kennedy is re-elected (surprised? I knew Langevin's opponent, but not the two in my district.)
Langevin re-elected, I suppose nobody wants to vote for independents in this state.
Lt. Gov. is Elizabeth Roberts. I hope she'll support music returning to Providence public schools like Reggie was going to. (He's a hell of a trumpet player, and I firmly believe he would have done whatever he could to have restored it.) I didn't know Healy was running again until I saw the ballot. It would have been interesting if he had been elected. His platform was "Lt. Gov. is a pointless office. I won't show up or collect my paycheck."
Atty. Gen, Sec. of State, and Treasurer all went Dem.
Mayors:
Cicilline (Providence) and Doyle (Pawtucket) both won 83/17, Cranston has 58 votes separating the two candidates, Warwick stuck with Avedisian.
Town administrator (basically mayor)
Lincoln went with Almond, and had one candidate with no votes, I'm not sure what was up with that. Bristol stuck with Mederos, as did N. Smithfield with Robert Lowe.
Questions:
1: The casino wasn't approved. I'm relieved by this, as I think we would have gotten shafted on it (Harrah's would have paid 25% of their profits to the state (versus 60% for the other two gambling institutions in the state) and it ALL would go to property tax relief, nothing else).
2: Felons on parole or probation can now vote. I was too keen on this. Parole and probation are part of the sentence.
3-9 all pass (woo, renovations at my school, hopefully less ****** roads and public transportation, more affordable housing, and other stuff!)

National questions:
5 of the 6 "Raise minimum wage" questions have passed, with Colorado's holding a 52/48 lead with 51% reporting.
I'm quite dismayed to see so many "Ban same-sex marriages" questions either winning or with a lead (78/22 in TN, 81/19 in SC :eek: ). At least AZ is 52/48 against with 93% reporting.

All my local info is from WLNE's website (www.abc6.com) (I couldn't get WJAR's to work, and WPRI's sucked), all my national info is from CNN.

Chundles
Nov 8, 2006, 01:44 AM
So, anybody here live in a marginal state/district? I find around election times they're the best places to live because you get everything you want.

Nothing like watching a pre-election spree of promised dams, airports, telecommunications improvements and roads in marginal rural seats before an Aussie election.

Then comes the most dangerous drinking game of all - you have to drink everytime one of those promises is broken, you will not stay sober more than a few days and will be drunk for at least the next three years.

zimv20
Nov 8, 2006, 02:03 AM
webb's lead just jumped from about 2000 to just shy of 6000. 99% in.

holy **** i think he's gonna do it.

i'm the only american still awake, aren't i?

it5five
Nov 8, 2006, 02:03 AM
According to CNN, Webb is pulling ahead even more!!!! ~6k vote ahead now as opposed to ~2k a couple minutes ago. I'm going to want to stay up until we see what happens. :) :) :)

EDIT: Zim, I thought I was the only one frantically refreshing CNN.
;)

yg17
Nov 8, 2006, 02:04 AM
Talent has just given his concession speech!

It's on local news in STL, not sure if it's made its way to the big guys yet

it5five
Nov 8, 2006, 02:08 AM
SO. EXCITED. CANT. SLEEP.

So now it's up to the Dem's taking Virginia and Montana. Right now Tester is doing well in Montana, but only 65% of precints are reporting. All we need is a concession speach from Burns, and we'll be so so so close!

EDIT: yg17, NPR shows Missouri going blue! CNN confirms it as well.

yg17
Nov 8, 2006, 02:10 AM
God damn CNN is so stupid. Talent conceded 10 minutes ago and they just projected Claire would win. When 1 concedes, the other wins. Duh.

Thomas Veil
Nov 8, 2006, 02:13 AM
Wow, McCaskill wins. How cool is that??

CNN has the Senate at 49/49. Damn! The Dems just might pull this off.

(Edit: Duh. There's two independents.

(So it looks like CNN is putting its balls on the line before everyone else, and saying that it's an even split, with two Democratic-leaning independents. Works for me.)

vniow
Nov 8, 2006, 02:13 AM
i'm the only american still awake, aren't i?

No. :D

According to CNN, Webb is pulling ahead even more!!!! ~6k vote ahead now as opposed to ~2k a couple minutes ago. I'm going to want to stay up until we see what happens. :) :) :)

Webb is going to win. The only district which hasn't finished counting is 98% done and is 73% in favour of Webb.

Talent has just given his concession speech!


Score. Now for Montana...

Thomas Veil
Nov 8, 2006, 02:14 AM
When 1 concedes, the other wins. Duh.You sure? In 2000 Gore called Bush to concede, then called back to withdraw his concession when it looked like the projections were wrong.

xsedrinam
Nov 8, 2006, 02:15 AM
SO. EXCITED. CANT. SLEEP.....

EDIT: yg17, NPR shows Missouri going blue!

Talent has just given his concession speech!

It's on local news in STL, not sure if it's made its way to the big guys yet
Yyyyup! He's some 20,000 votes behind with little hope of catching McCaskill. I think Virginia's numbers will hold too, at least recounts have not been so lucky for those going in some 2726 votes down. So, it looks like Montana's going to decide just how huge this power swing is. Both House and Senate? Who'd have thunk it possible?

yg17
Nov 8, 2006, 02:16 AM
You sure? In 2000 Gore called Bush to concede, then called back to withdraw his concession when it looked like the projections were wrong.

Touche.

With Claire having a 25,000 vote lead, noTalent wouldn't have a chance if there were to be any objections

it5five
Nov 8, 2006, 02:16 AM
Of course, if the Dems do win in Montana, it all comes down to Lieberman going along with the Dems or going along with the GOP. I hope that the Dems can talk some sense into him if they do end up winning in Montana

yg17
Nov 8, 2006, 02:18 AM
The gap between Webb and racist arsehole seems to be widening, its about 11,000 votes now. The margin might not even be small enough for racist arsehole to get a recount.

Thomas Veil
Nov 8, 2006, 02:19 AM
Lieberman's already said tonight that he considers himself squarely on the Democrats' side.

For what that's worth. :rolleyes:

vniow
Nov 8, 2006, 02:19 AM
Of course, if the Dems do win in Montana, it all comes down to Lieberman going along with the Dems or going along with the GOP. I hope that the Dems can talk some sense into him if they do end up winning in Montana


Leiberman was a Dem before no?

zimv20
Nov 8, 2006, 02:20 AM
i'm fairly stunned here. webb is pulling away, MO is won, Tester is up over 10k votes in MT. unreal.

Counterfit
Nov 8, 2006, 02:21 AM
So, anybody here live in a marginal state/district? I find around election times they're the best places to live because you get everything you want.

With all the claims going on concerning our proposed casino (more tourism, more jobs, good education for retarded Narragansett kids (yes, they actually made an ad about that) versus raised taxes (uh?), reduced business for local restaurants and arts centers (PPAC), not owning your soul anymore (okay, I made that one up)), it sure felt like that. Considering the major contributors to Save Our State (www.SaveOurState.com) were Foxwoods (largest casino/resort in the world), Mohegan Sun (casino for a related tribe), Lincoln Park (greyhound track, with slots and simulcast, one town over from me), and I think Newport Grand (formerly Newport Grand Jai-Alai).

Leiberman was a Dem before no?
He was, until he lost the primary and started his own party. "Connecticut for Leiberman" I think it is.

"Fine! I don't need your stupid party! I'll go make my own party! With beer! And hookers! In fact, forget the party!"

Thomas Veil
Nov 8, 2006, 02:23 AM
unreal.I...I'm not used to all this success.

(goes into shock)

it5five
Nov 8, 2006, 02:23 AM
Leiberman was a Dem before no?

I know, I just didn't know if he'd feel betrayed by his own party. Hopefully what Thomas Veil heard is correct, so it all comes down to MT.

zimv20
Nov 8, 2006, 02:27 AM
burns is closing. MT difference is 8k now.

Peace
Nov 8, 2006, 02:27 AM
Both the independents in the Senate are former democrats that normally vote with the democrats.Leiberman will vote with the democrats like the other independent.This will give the democrats control.

As for Virginia.If the vote difference is 1% ( of the total vote ) or less it is mandatory for a recount.

Do the math...Webb needs at least a 20,000 vote lead to win without a recount.

xsedrinam
Nov 8, 2006, 02:28 AM
Leiberman was a Dem before no?
He was the Democratic nominee for Vice-president in 2000. Independent now, so he's sort of a Dem-wit, Connecticut Yankee. :)

SC68Cal
Nov 8, 2006, 02:30 AM
The Dems. managed not to bungle this! Awesome.

Ugg
Nov 8, 2006, 02:31 AM
burns is closing. MT difference is 8k now.


I wonder what is still to be counted, MT is a very divided state. Its total population is only 900,000 so 8k is a significant percentage of registered voters.

Thomas Veil
Nov 8, 2006, 02:32 AM
And what a defeat for Bush, Ken Mehlman, Karl Rove and all the other hobgoblins.

I can't wait to listen to Rush tomorrow. :D

zimv20
Nov 8, 2006, 02:35 AM
on local chicago tv, the GOP candidate for county board president is having a meltdown about the vote counting process. he just angrily claimed that afghanistan, baghdad and zimbabwe have better election processes.

it's fascinating.

it5five
Nov 8, 2006, 02:35 AM
Both the independents in the Senate are former democrats that normally vote with the democrats.Leiberman will vote with the democrats like the other independent.This will give the democrats control.

As for Virginia.If the vote difference is 1% ( of the total vote ) or less it is mandatory for a recount.

Do the math...Webb needs at least a 20,000 vote lead to win without a recount.

Only 9k votes until he has a 20,000 lead. :P

xsedrinam
Nov 8, 2006, 02:37 AM
I...I'm not used to all this success.

(goes into shock)
ROFL :D :D Gotta be the quote of the match. :D

Thomas Veil
Nov 8, 2006, 02:37 AM
So if the Senate goes 49-49-2, who becomes Majority Leader? Reid? A Republican? Both? Neither? :confused:

it5five
Nov 8, 2006, 02:41 AM
I think it goes to a Senate body vote, which means that Reid would be the majority leader.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

SC68Cal
Nov 8, 2006, 02:42 AM
I can't wait to listen to Rush tomorrow. :D

He's going to choke on his own fat tomorrow. For sure.

He, Bill O'Reily, that dirtbag Hannity, that dimwit Pat Robertsin, Jerrey "Fat" Falwell. ooooh this is going to be good.

I can't wait, the best of it is going to be when GW gets on national TV and throws a temper-tantrum.

Thomas Veil
Nov 8, 2006, 02:45 AM
Wait a minute...damn CNN...they are confusing me.

They're calling it Dems 49, GOP 49...but their map is saying that MT and VA are still in play.

So what, are they throwing Lieberman and Sanders in with the Democrats, or what are they doing??? :confused: Or are we gonna have 52 senators? :rolleyes: :p

Thomas Veil
Nov 8, 2006, 02:46 AM
He's going to choke on his own fat tomorrow.Okay, that may be the quote of the night. :D

it5five
Nov 8, 2006, 02:46 AM
Yeah, CNN is throwing Lieberman and Sanders in with the Dems.

That's why I'm looking at NPR's election coverage and listening to it online.

xsedrinam
Nov 8, 2006, 02:49 AM
I think it goes to a Senate body vote, which means that Reid would be the majority leader.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't know how reliable Rawstory (http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Hoyer_already_seeking_Majority_Leader_post_1108.html) is, but, according to their article, Steny Hoyer (D-MD) has already announced his intention to seek the position of Majority Leader. Representative Jack Murtha (D-PA) is also wanting in line.

it5five
Nov 8, 2006, 02:50 AM
Yeah, I wasn't saying Reid would definitely be the majority leader. Thomas Veil just mentioned his name so I did as well. As long as it's a Dem I really don't care who it is :)

Sayhey
Nov 8, 2006, 02:52 AM
Wait a minute...damn CNN...they are confusing me.

They're calling it Dems 49, GOP 49...but their map is saying that MT and VA are still in play.

So what, are they throwing Lieberman and Sanders in with the Democrats, or what are they doing??? :confused: Or are we gonna have 52 senators? :rolleyes: :p

Both Sanders and Lieberman have said they will caucus with the Dems. That means they vote with them on the organization of the Senate, and Lieberman maintains his seniority. Provided Tester and Webb do win, of course.

coal
Nov 8, 2006, 02:53 AM
No incumbent Democrat lost a seat at all. Is that true? That is incredible.

I mean, I guess Lieberman technically lost as a Democrat, but he replaced himself. Absolutely amazing night and no way I'm going to sleep.

Sayhey
Nov 8, 2006, 02:59 AM
No incumbent Democrat lost a seat at all. Is that true? That is incredible.

I mean, I guess Lieberman technically lost as a Democrat, but he replaced himself. Absolutely amazing night and no way I'm going to sleep.

I understand one Georgia (http://www.sos.state.ga.us/elections/election_results/2006_1107/024.htm) race may still go by way of recount, but otherwise, yes, that is true.

I not sleeping until I find out the reults of the Tester and Pombo races. Very, very happy, right now.

btw - I didn't do too bad on my prediction (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=3026040&postcount=10). ;)

Thomas Veil
Nov 8, 2006, 03:00 AM
Thing is, the actual result is 49 Republicans, 47 Democrats, 2 independents, and two still to be decided.

The GOP retains the majority unless both Montana and Virginia go to the Democrats. That's why it's important that CNN not just "throw in" Lieberman and Sanders with the Democrats. AFAIK, they don't count as Democrats.

Ugg
Nov 8, 2006, 03:01 AM
Tester's still up by 7200 votes with 640 of 867 precincts counted.

zimv20
Nov 8, 2006, 03:03 AM
btw - I didn't do too bad on my prediction (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=3026040&postcount=10). ;)
and i was happily pessimistic.

Sayhey
Nov 8, 2006, 03:03 AM
Thing is, the actual result is 49 Republicans, 47 Democrats, 2 independents, and two still to be decided.

The GOP retains the majority unless both Montana and Virginia go to the Democrats. That's why it's important that CNN not just "throw in" Lieberman and Sanders with the Democrats. AFAIK, they don't count as Democrats.

While technically you're right, in as far as the control of the Senate is concerned they're Democrats.

xsedrinam
Nov 8, 2006, 03:05 AM
The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/elections/2006/va.html) ran an update on the Virginia results @2:45 a.m. showing Webb's lead at 7546 votes with 99.8% of precincts. Don't know if that reflects absentee ballots or what, but I'll take it.

coal
Nov 8, 2006, 03:10 AM
While technically you're right, in as far as the control of the Senate is concerned they're Democrats.

Exactly. Lieberman will stay with the Democrats as he will want to preserve his seniority and Sanders is an independent-in-name-only.

Also, more history: Nancy Pelosi will hold the highest political office ever attained by a woman. Congratulations, Nancy!

Silencio
Nov 8, 2006, 03:13 AM
Tester up 5,700 votes with 74% of the precincts reporting.

In Virginia, Webb has about a 7,500 vote lead with all precincts reporting. Gotta wait for the absentee ballots and the inevitable Florida 2000-esque gamesmanship. This one might take weeks to sort out with control of the senate riding on the results.

coal
Nov 8, 2006, 03:35 AM
Tester up 5,700 votes with 74% of the precincts reporting.

In Virginia, Webb has about a 7,500 vote lead with all precincts reporting. Gotta wait for the absentee ballots and the inevitable Florida 2000-esque gamesmanship. This one might take weeks to sort out with control of the senate riding on the results.

I know that Webb's lead is technically within the margin for a recount request, but there is no way, if the totals stay relatively the same, that a recount would swing 7,000 plus votes the other way.

For example, in Florida in 2000 there were around 6 million votes cast with a difference of 500 or so votes. Virginia (http://sbe.virginiainteractive.org/index.htm) right now has 2.3 million total votes. This is NOT shaping up to be like Florida and hopefully will not be pushed in that direction. Admittedly, there is an incredible amount to lose, but I'd honestly be surprised if Allen's advisors push him to pursue the recount. (This, of course, is based on the latest numbers.)

Also, keep in mind that in 2005, the race for Attorney General was decided by an automatic recount in Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney_General_of_Virginia). Out of a total of 1.9 million votes cast, there was a lead of 400 votes for Bob McDonnell. After the recount, he gained 37 votes.

Almost the same number of total voters as the race for Senator this year, and 37 new votes were accounted for once the recount was completed. A very far cry from 7,000 plus votes.

Ugg
Nov 8, 2006, 03:37 AM
Tester's ahead by 5612 with 78% of precincts reported. The margin is getting narrower. Just depends on which precincts haven't reported.

coal
Nov 8, 2006, 03:43 AM
Tester's ahead by 5612 with 78% of precincts reported. The margin is getting narrower. Just depends on which precincts haven't reported.

Apparently, problems with voting equipment in Yellowstone County have triggered an automatic recount. Nothing will be known for sure until morning. How in the world am I supposed to sleep, now?!?

Ugg
Nov 8, 2006, 03:45 AM
Apparently, problems with voting equipment in Yellowstone County have triggered an automatic recount. Nothing will be known for sure until morning. How in the world am I supposed to sleep, now?!?

Yeah, I know what you mean, but I've got to get to bed, let's hope there aren't any surprises in the AM and that Tester stays in the lead.

irmongoose
Nov 8, 2006, 03:46 AM
This from ABC:

Lieberman has vowed to vote with the Democrats in the Senate.




irmongoose

zimv20
Nov 8, 2006, 03:51 AM
Apparently, problems with voting equipment in Yellowstone County have triggered an automatic recount.
yeah, i just heard that on NPR. tester's lead is now below 4000, and the aforementioned yellowstone county trends republican.

i'm now expecting burns to keep his seat. bleh.

solvs
Nov 8, 2006, 03:53 AM
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm going to bed now. Remember that pendulum I told you about? Well, it just took it awhile to swing back the other way. G'night kids, sleep well.

And Dems, please don't screw this up... I can't take another 4-8 years of neocon agendas come '08. ;)

xsedrinam
Nov 8, 2006, 03:54 AM
Apparently, problems with voting equipment in Yellowstone County have triggered an automatic recount. Nothing will be known for sure until morning. How in the world am I supposed to sleep, now?!?
Argh. Tester by 5679 @80%. I was doing a county by county rundown, and got to Lewis & Clark checking out where Burns only led in 3/8, with anywhere from 25%-98% reported, then I find Yellowstone at 0%. I was gonna hang on 'til the last doggie was in the corral, but buenas noches ya'll. Que ronquen bien.

Thomas Veil
Nov 8, 2006, 03:56 AM
Well, I went to bed and couldn't sleep. Not because of the suspense, but because we were doing local election coverage at the studio until after midnight, and I was pouring coffee into myself to keep me going. Now the caffeine has come calling. :o

coal
Nov 8, 2006, 04:16 AM
yeah, i just heard that on NPR. tester's lead is now below 4000, and the aforementioned yellowstone county trends republican.

i'm now expecting burns to keep his seat. bleh.

Apparently Tester was up by 1,200 plus votes when the recount was called. He seemed to be doing much better in Yellowstone County than most thought. I'm still not giving up hope! (And not going to sleep!)

Thomas Veil
Nov 8, 2006, 04:27 AM
Well, Allen is behind Webb by 8,000 votes...and 1% more to be counted. I don't think he's gonna make that up. Virginia seems to be tipping to Webb.

In Montana, Tester is up by about 3,300 votes...but 17% of the precincts have not reported yet. That's definitely the "iffy" contest.

irmongoose
Nov 8, 2006, 04:28 AM
What are the implications of a 50-50 in the senate?



irmongoose

frankblundt
Nov 8, 2006, 04:30 AM
What are the implications of a 50-50 in the senate?

VP Dick gets the deciding vote, so.. 51-50

coal
Nov 8, 2006, 04:32 AM
What are the implications of a 50-50 in the senate?



irmongoose

Cheney becomes the deciding vote in the case of any tie.

(I was that I was joking.)

irmongoose
Nov 8, 2006, 04:36 AM
Damn... damn!!!



irmongoose

Thomas Veil
Nov 8, 2006, 04:40 AM
It's actually a little complicated.

If the Dems and Republicans finally "tie" at 49 apiece, the two independents would tend to vote with the Democrats, giving them a 51-49 technical majority.

But if the Republicans pick up either one of the two remaining states (MO or VA), they get at least 50 seats, with Cheney breaking any ties.

BTW...you can go to bed. The Montana race won't be decided until morning, most likely.

And in Montana, election results may not come until later today because of problems with the voting equipment. In Yellowstone County, the largest in Montana, election officials said early today that they were recounting all votes because of unfamiliarity with new equipment. Officials told ABC News that they did not think they would have the recount completed until approximately 8 a.m. ET.ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2006/story?id=2636716&page=1)

Thomas Veil
Nov 8, 2006, 04:45 AM
Huh. Virginia still a toss-up, too:

With nearly all precincts counted and the two candidates separated by a razor-thin margin, Virginians — and the nation — waited to see what would happen. The race is so close that it seems likely to be decided by absentee ballots. More than 130,000 absentee ballots were requested, but those votes have not been counted in three mostly suburban counties, as well as in the city of Alexandria, the Washington Post reports. CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/07/politics/main2159756.shtml)

And that's it, folks. I'm beat. Good night.

Dont Hurt Me
Nov 8, 2006, 07:04 AM
This is just what the country needs to get some kind of balance in our sorry Govt.
A president taking us to a needless and useless war, wanting to torture,removing civil libertys all while ignoring the mexican invasion is more then I can take as a American.
The fact that by abusing signing statements he has removed Congressional oversite and the republicans allowed this.
This is a very good thing for the country that was on the wrong path.
Im still a little shocked that so many people back this administration and party after everything they have done to our country,our debt and our worldwide reputation.
The U.S. should be govern from the middle, not the crazy Neocon right not the very far left. America wants itself ran from the middle and they spoke this yesterday.:) I wonder if this will get through our Presidents thick arrogant head? we still have 2 more years of his failed policys, perhaps another 10 - 20 to undo everything he did.

atszyman
Nov 8, 2006, 07:10 AM
Just to add to the fun:

Tom DeLay's old Congressional district is now in the hands of a Democrat, Nicholoas Lampson.

Surprise of the night:

I am completely dumbfounded that the FL 16 district was as close as it was. Since CNN still has it listed as Mahoney vs Foley vs Ross, I can only assume that that is what the ballot said. With all the press surrounding Foley I'm amazed his name could keep a race that close. Either the GOP did an amazing job promoting/publicizing his replacement, Mahoney was an abysmal candidate, that district is Gerrymandered better than Tom DeLay's district, a surprise hurricane knocked out the news in that district for the last 6 weeks, or some combination of the these. Anyone know which factors really came into play there? I'm baffled.

Dont Hurt Me
Nov 8, 2006, 07:18 AM
Dont be baffled we have many people who put party before country and many people incapable of change.

clevin
Nov 8, 2006, 07:24 AM
Just to add to the fun:

Tom DeLay's old Congressional district is now in the hands of a Democrat, Nicholoas Lampson.

Surprise of the night:

I am completely dumbfounded that the FL 16 district was as close as it was. Since CNN still has it listed as Mahoney vs Foley vs Ross, I can only assume that that is what the ballot said. With all the press surrounding Foley I'm amazed his name could keep a race that close. Either the GOP did an amazing job promoting/publicizing his replacement, Mahoney was an abysmal candidate, that district is Gerrymandered better than Tom DeLay's district, a surprise hurricane knocked out the news in that district for the last 6 weeks, or some combination of the these. Anyone know which factors really came into play there? I'm baffled.
I can only say those GOPers are ridiculous, the ballot is Mark Foley VS. Tim Mhoney.

toontra
Nov 8, 2006, 07:38 AM
Speaking as a Brit, I'd just like to say thanks to the US voters for going some way to restoring my faith in democracy and general humanity. For a moment there (well, six years actually) I thought that the US was living in a parallel universe where greed, corruption, hypocrisy and warmongering was actually rewarded by the electorate.

This is the first bit of proper good news in a looong time.

skunk
Nov 8, 2006, 09:01 AM
I second that. I only hope the Democrats finally get their act together and bring the Administration to book.

Queso
Nov 8, 2006, 09:12 AM
So when does the new Congress meet? Do they have to wait for all the results to be in, or is there a set date even if one or two results are undecided?

FFTT
Nov 8, 2006, 09:26 AM
Virginia comes down to how you think the absentee ballots from students, soldiers
and those who wanted a paper trail, will go.

I'm quite happy with this upset.

atszyman
Nov 8, 2006, 09:41 AM
Virginia comes down to how you think the absentee ballots from students, soldiers
and those who wanted a paper trail, will go.

I'm quite happy with this upset.

I can't see Allen doing well in the absentee ballot area for a few reasons:

1) the paper trail people, as I've seen so far, tend to be Dems who are wary of the voting machines

2) Allen has had very little good press outside of VA (not sure about in VA) but all the stories I've heard involve him using racial slurs, or being offended by some Jewish ancestry. Probably not good press when trying to get votes from residents who are out of the state for awhile.

Any word on how many absentee ballots there are in VA? Are we talking tens of thousands or more or less than 10k? That could give us a good indication of how much we have to be worried.

Also any idea on how Montana fares with absentee ballots?

All counties except Meagher are in and Tester leads by ~1700 votes. According to Census information Meagher county's population is ~2000 with 25% under 18 which would give a maximum of 1500 votes to Burns with 100% voter turnout. Looks like another state to be decided by absentees.

freeny
Nov 8, 2006, 09:49 AM
I feel like I just woke up from a really bad dream only to happily realize it wasnt real.

jelloshotsrule
Nov 8, 2006, 10:20 AM
I feel like I just woke up from a really bad dream only to happily realize it wasnt real.

oh, it's been real (http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182)

and don't expect it to end suddenly

freeny
Nov 8, 2006, 11:07 AM
oh, it's been real (http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182)

and don't expect it to end suddenly

Oh, believe me when I tell you I know its all too real. I just feel like a huge stress has been lifted;)

Peace
Nov 8, 2006, 11:40 AM
Nothing has changed yet..

People are still being tortured.Innocent Americans are still being spied on and the Constitution is still under attack.Let's hope these things change over the next 2 years and the Democrats don't go all wishy-washy like they have done in the past.

Thomas Veil
Nov 8, 2006, 12:01 PM
(wakes up)

(uses the bathroom)

(pours coffee)

(goes to the forum)

Oh, hi.

Guess nothing's changed. CNN (TV) is still talking as if both states are going to a recount. But the Democrats are head in both Montana and Virginia, and FWIW, the pundits don't think their leads can be overcome by a recount.

In the case of Virginia, specifically, because of their recount process, we might not know the actual result for about three weeks.

For now I'm going to enjoy it though. Like I said, this is Bush's worst nightmare come true.

Speaking as a Brit, I'd just like to say thanks to the US voters for going some way to restoring my faith in democracy and general humanity. For a moment there (well, six years actually) I thought that the US was living in a parallel universe where greed, corruption, hypocrisy and warmongering was actually rewarded by the electorate.

This is the first bit of proper good news in a looong time.It is a lot like waking up from a nightmare.

For a long time, the United States showed a remarkable ability to "self-correct". We always went to the right, but then when it got bad enough (as in Watergate), we returned to the left again.

But the last quarter of a century has been a veritable horror, starting with Reagan's nutty economic policies and arms-for-hostages, continuing through Bush the First, going absolutely nutso in Congress during the Clinton administration, and finally culminating in the craziness we have today. It's been a continual buildup of homophobes, crooks, sexually repressed perverts and religious wackos. After 25 years of this, with the insanity reaching a crescendo, it's no wonder some of us here were thinking about whether we wanted to move to another country.

Well, last night, magically, something happened to restore our faith in the self-correction process. It seems like all but the most ignorant Americans finally have said, "Enough!" They're tired of the war. They're tired of losing jobs, or being paid peanuts for the jobs they have. They're tired of the corruption and the hypocrisy. They're tired of the bile and invective.

And they finally turned left again. They may not have gone very far left, but it's enough to avoid stepping off the edge of the precipice.

Queso
Nov 8, 2006, 12:16 PM
And they finally turned left again. They may not have gone very far left, but it's enough to avoid stepping off the edge of the precipice.
I think a lot of traditional Republicans honestly thought having control of all three wings of Government would be great, and that they could finally push forward to right all the wrongs in the country according to Republican ideals. Having achieved it, they've now realised that giving either party complete domination of the political process just doesn't work. It only leads to more corruption, less progress, and greater division amongst the population.

There's a lot of ex-Republicans doing the rounds these days that will eventually return to their natural home, but having seen the damage this gradual swing to the right has done to the USA once it reached its aim of owning the Government, I don't think they'll make the same mistake in future.

The USA needs to be governed by consensus. The country is too big, too diverse and too well populated for any other way to work.

IJ Reilly
Nov 8, 2006, 12:20 PM
I'm planning on keeping my jubilation in check. I recognize that Rove & Co. are still master political tacticians. They and the well-oiled GOP noise machine will attempt to paint everything Democrats advance in Congress as left-wing extremism. The Republicans will compromise on almost nothing. To succeed over the next two years and beyond, the Democrats need to carefully fashion a populist agenda that can rebuilt their coalition among working Americans. It's far from clear to me whether Nancy Pelosi has the political skills and vision to accomplish this very difficult task. Some things will change automatically for the good. It's a start. But we're still a long way away from recreating a meaningful two-party system in this country. Making that happen will take some fresh, outside-of-the-box political thinking on the part of the Democratic leadership. Nancy Pelosi, the ball is your court. Don't whiff it.

WildCowboy
Nov 8, 2006, 12:23 PM
I'm seeing Tester up by 3,000 votes with only Meagher County outstanding...is that right? The total population of the county is around 2,000, so there are likely only about a 1,000 total votes there to be had.

zimv20
Nov 8, 2006, 12:27 PM
So when does the new Congress meet? Do they have to wait for all the results to be in, or is there a set date even if one or two results are undecided?
i think it's january when everyone new is sworn in. anyone know for sure?

WildCowboy
Nov 8, 2006, 12:29 PM
i think it's january when everyone new is sworn in. anyone know for sure?

January 3rd.

freeny
Nov 8, 2006, 12:30 PM
Dem John Tester has just delaired victory in Montanna with a 3000 vote lead and only 800 to count. This is not official but im pretty sure he's right.

Now its up to Virginia...

Its ironic that now that the shoe is on the other foot that the Republicans are crying fraud/errors in Virginia. cant stop giggling to myself....

zimv20
Nov 8, 2006, 12:36 PM
just saw this (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/11/8/121127/066) on daily kos:

Both Allen and Burns will have the right to call for a recount, it seems. Yet given their prior public comments on recounts, we should expect them to pass.

Burns press release, 11/28/2000:

On November 28, 2000, when the Florida election results were certified, Conrad Burns said Gore "appears more and more like a man who wants to win at any cost." Burns added, "It is time, as some have said, for Vice President Gore to stop being a litigant and start being a Patriot. The good of our nation is greater than any one man, and it is time for Mr. Gore to end these challenges and bow out gracefully."

More Burns in the 11/30/2000 Great Falls Tribune:

At the end of November 2000, Conrad Burns said he would like to see an end to Gore's legal efforts in Florida. Burns said, "Mr. Gore should step aside and let the Bush team begin its orderly transition to the presidency."

And Allen on the Today show 11/8/2000:

The morning after Election Day 2000, when Florida was counting absentee ballots, George Allen said, "we'll need to move America forward as soon as those votes are cast."

I'm sure these former Senators will stand by their words, and not develop a double standard now. Right?

clevin
Nov 8, 2006, 12:37 PM
and George Mcaca Allen lost too, i don;t think he can make up 8000 vote,also in 2000 presidential election he did this
The morning after Election Day 2000, when Florida was counting absentee ballots, George Allen said, "we'll need to move America forward as soon
as those votes are cast."
Dems got senate tooooo

Peace
Nov 8, 2006, 12:37 PM
Dem John Tester has just delaired victory in Montanna with a 3000 vote lead and only 800 to count. This is not official but im pretty sure he's right.

Now its up to Virginia...

Its ironic that now that the shoe is on the other foot that the Republicans are crying fraud/errors in Virginia. cant stop giggling to myself....

Looks like Tester has won and Virginia will wind up with Webb winning.

WildCowboy
Nov 8, 2006, 12:38 PM
AP projects Tester.

freeny
Nov 8, 2006, 12:39 PM
Looks like Tester has won and Virginia will wind up with Webb winning.

The House AND the Senate... Damn!
Bush is going to feel very lonely come January.

trebblekicked
Nov 8, 2006, 12:59 PM
heh. burns and allen.

DEM: Say goodnight, gracie.

GOP: goodnight, gracie.

zimv20
Nov 8, 2006, 01:14 PM
heh. burns and allen.

DEM: Say goodnight, gracie.

GOP: goodnight, gracie.
good god, how come i didn't see that? well done, sir.

Peace
Nov 8, 2006, 01:31 PM
CNN just called Tester the winner in Montana.

xsedrinam
Nov 8, 2006, 01:57 PM
CNN just called Tester the winner in Montana.
By 2848 votes after 100% precinct reporting. Does anyone know what the prob was with Yellowstone County that they malfunctioned, last night?

WildCowboy
Nov 8, 2006, 02:00 PM
By 2848 votes after 100% precinct reporting. Does anyone know what the prob was with Yellowstone County that they malfunctioned, last night?

Here (http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2006/11/08/news/local/22-flub.txt)'s a good, brief article. The head of elections screwed up with the electronic counting machines after counting the absentee ballots.

It's scary that it's apparently that easy to screw up.

Thomas Veil
Nov 8, 2006, 02:09 PM
heh. burns and allen.

DEM: Say goodnight, gracie.

GOP: goodnight, gracie.Dammit, beat me to it!!!! :p

IJ Reilly
Nov 8, 2006, 03:18 PM
By 2848 votes after 100% precinct reporting. Does anyone know what the prob was with Yellowstone County that they malfunctioned, last night?

Local election officials blamed Yogi Bear and Boo Boo.

Or something like that.

xsedrinam
Nov 8, 2006, 03:51 PM
Local election officials blamed Yogi Bear and Boo Boo.

Or something like that.
Well someone got into a good pick-a-nic basket while Duane Winslow did the software booboo.

yg17
Nov 8, 2006, 04:03 PM
George Allen just needs to realize that he no longer stands a chance in hell and concede.

clevin
Nov 8, 2006, 04:06 PM
George Allen just needs to realize that he no longer stands a chance in hell and concede.

Its hard for george macaca brainless allen to think, he is waiting for the order of karl rove.

yg17
Nov 8, 2006, 08:36 PM
The AP has called VA for Webb!

WildCowboy
Nov 8, 2006, 08:42 PM
The AP has called VA for Webb!

Awesome...here (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DEMOCRATS_SENATE?SITE=VAROA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)'s an article on it. Allen also may not request a recount!

MacNut
Nov 8, 2006, 09:15 PM
So with the Dems taking control, how long will it be before they screw it up.

clevin
Nov 8, 2006, 09:16 PM
Awesome...here (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DEMOCRATS_SENATE?SITE=VAROA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)'s an article on it. Allen also may not request a recount!

before he call recount, 27th Nov, FBI will get him for voter intimidation.

Thomas Veil
Nov 8, 2006, 10:34 PM
Is it Christmas?? :) :) :)

xsedrinam
Nov 8, 2006, 11:13 PM
Is it Christmas?? :) :) :)
There is a wonderful sense of calm just after the freshly fallen.......:)