7 States Ban Same-Sex Marriage.

[skunk]

Somehow I think its entertainment value will only be marginally greater than its educational value.

[mpw]

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? :rolleyes:
Mmmmmmm custod, Yum!

[Mord]

I guess would be a fun time for the last few remaining men... kind of like the inverse of my college days when there were 12 guys to every girl and that wasn't even taking degrees of attractiveness into account (darn engineering schools).

Tell me about it, the nearest girl is way down the hall, I share a kitchen with four guys and the kitchen group next to us is is all guys.

I need to move out of halls and get my own place badly.

Damn engineering uni.

[Queso]

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? :rolleyes:
So, putting your little spout of Latin into the context of this thread...

...are you coming out to us?

[pseudobrit]

Nope, no personal insult. It is a generalized statement.
Being from New York, I believe in being direct and honest.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? :rolleyes:

I don't know who will keep an eye on us.
A causal bigot perhaps? Are you volunteering?

[skunk]

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? :rolleyes:Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[princealfie]

Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Nemo liber est qui corpori servit. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[hulugu]

Nemo liber est qui corpori servit. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:



mutantur omnia nos et mutamur in illis

[Rojo]

This is one of those times when an animated vomit smiley would come in real handy...

[pseudobrit]

Quando paramucho mi amore de felice carathon

[skunk]

Alea jacta est.

[princealfie]

This is one of those times when an animated vomit smiley would come in real handy...

Ah, la jealousie eh? Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis.
Strangely enough it's good that schoolboy Latin hasn't been forgotten. Apparently to keep on topic, the Romans enjoyed both homosexuality and heterosexuality in the same boat. I guess that they weren't as picky as us modern people in today's world.

http://oregonstate.edu/~blakena/cs195/final/Other/Writing/RomanHomosexuality.html

My favorite type of marriage happens to be http://russian-american-marriage.bogdana.net/ . Russian women have a rather exquisite approach to the whole affair without an ounce of turgidity. It's so hypocritical that in today's world, we are so aggressive about promoting gay marriage or any other types of marriage. I thought that we stopped believing in the principle anyways: http://www-news.uchicago.edu/releases/99/991124.family.shtml . Isn't this the type of Hollywood myth that marriage supposedly solves everything like the sugar coated denouement of our lil Sleepless in Seattle mirage type of b******* we have come to expect only to come crashing down in the usual divorce decree, eh?

Fewer and fewer people are getting married by the passing year. There may not be a point of wasting a $100,000 white festooned bash just to get this: http://www.deltadental.com/Public/index.jsp.

Good teeth to tie the knot, eh? Strange to be paying the lobbyists' salaries more than Britney Spears' wedding job fix to good ole KFed-eration.

[Queso]

It's so hypocritical that in today's world, we are so aggressive about promoting gay marriage or any other types of marriage. I thought that we stopped believing in the principle anyways:
If marriage was left as a religious ceremony and all about love and stuff, nobody would really care. But it's crossed over at some point in the past into the legal system, and now a whole bunch of rights are tied up within it. Why should it be that two opposite-sex 17 year olds who've known each other for a couple of days are able to get married and have automatic rights to make decisions for each other, go on the same health insurance policy, and get automatic tax free transfer of joint assets in the event of one of them dying, when two same-sex partners who've spent 30 years building a life together cannot?

Either separate the rights from marriage entirely or allow a form of marriage for all citizens who want it. Anything less than that doesn't cut it.

[skunk]

Ah, la jealousie eh? Jalousie. Your schoolboy French is clearly more rusty than your schoolboy Latin.

[princealfie]

Jalousie. Your schoolboy French is clearly more rusty than your schoolboy Latin.

Yeah, I've forgotten how to spell French. Anyways I'm trying to learn Russian to talk with my girlfriend better. :cool:

[pseudobrit]

Yeah, I've forgotten how to spell French.

Seems like you got it right there.

[Rojo]

Ah, la jealousie eh?

Yeah, you're right -- I'm jealous. I really, really wish I could sound pretentious too.

Amoto quaeramus seria ludo.

Either separate the rights from marriage entirely or allow a form of marriage for all citizens who want it. Anything less than that doesn't cut it.

dynamicv pretty much sums it up right here.
Personally, I think marriage is lame and archaic -- but it still involves rights that gay couples can never have.
My Spanish boyfriend, who I've been with for years and plan to spend the rest of my life with, moved to the States to be with me, but will struggle for years and years through an overly complicated process in order to become a citizen. Meanwhile, there are so many foreign men and women who marry Americans they don't love at all in order to get green cards. Where's the justice in that? Why is it my boyfriend and I, who truly love each other, do NOT have the same rights as these "couples" with no love?

[solvs]

I never got the religious aspect. Would you want me forcing my religious beliefs on you? Or be in your bedroom? Didn't think so. So why is it ok for you to force your beliefs on others? Answer, it isn't. It's about rights, and we all suffer when the rights of some are taken away for "the greater good" that benefits none. Legal rights, religious rights, whatever. They deserve them just as much those who really pervert the meaning of marriage. More so. But hey, you don't believe homosexuality is ok, or are just a self hating closet case, so no one else gets to play either. Not what I would call freedom. I've said it before and I'll say it again, everyone gets rights or no one does. Simple as that.

Who watches the watchmen? We do. Precisely because these 7 states have decided to abuse their status as watchmen. Go read the Watchmen (http://www.amazon.com/Watchmen-Alan-Moore/dp/0930289234/sr=8-1/qid=1165922008/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-9445285-3919920?ie=UTF8&s=books), and V (http://www.amazon.com/V-Vendetta-Alan-Moore/dp/0930289528/sr=1-1/qid=1165922073/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-9445285-3919920?ie=UTF8&s=books) for Vendetta for that matter, for what that Latin saying really means.

[Rojo]

Who watches the watchmen? We do. Precisely because these 7 states have decided to abuse their status as watchmen. Go read the Watchmen (http://www.amazon.com/Watchmen-Alan-Moore/dp/0930289234/sr=8-1/qid=1165922008/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-9445285-3919920?ie=UTF8&s=books), and V (http://www.amazon.com/V-Vendetta-Alan-Moore/dp/0930289528/sr=1-1/qid=1165922073/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-9445285-3919920?ie=UTF8&s=books) for Vendetta for that matter, for what that Latin saying really means.

Two of the best graphic novels -- heck, pieces of fiction -- out there!

[princealfie]

Two of the best graphic novels -- heck, pieces of fiction -- out there!

Actually I read that they are adapting the Watchmen to the big screen. Let's hope that Alan Moore isn't mad again. He hated the V for Vendetta flick :eek:

[Rojo]

Actually I read that they are adapting the Watchmen to the big screen. Let's hope that Alan Moore isn't mad again. He hated the V for Vendetta flick :eek:

I actually liked the V film, despite the changes -- but I just don't see how a Watchmen film is possible.

[princealfie]

I actually liked the V film, despite the changes -- but I just don't see how a Watchmen film is possible.

I don't know either but if they do it, they had better do some solid job with it.

My other favorite graphic novels include: Maus and Alias Vol. 1 and Akira.

[leekohler]

Rock on, New Jersey!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-gay-marriage,1,1723907.story?coll=chi-news-hed

[zimv20]

from the article:
The bill passed the Assembly 56-19 and the Senate 23-12.
wow, that's not even close.

[leekohler]

from the article:

wow, that's not even close.

Of course not. Some states actually get it. :) I would say that NJ has been affected by the influx of gay folks into Asbury Park. They've been rehabbing the hell out of it, when no one else would go there. We have a great sense of possibility. ;) I've been saying Asbury Park would be a great place to build for years, now it's finally happening. Now if we could only get a decent community around Saltair in Salt Lake City. ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltair,_Utah

That is a truly beautiful spot and has a wonderful history. The whole ideal is to say "why not?", rather than "why?". There are so many places in this country that need someone to say, "why not?". We have so much unrealized beauty here in the US.

"The gay community in Manhattan had already sniffed this out as the next big place to live," says Steve Troy, a former advertising executive who bought a home here in 2000 and moved with his partner, Robert Legere, from New York City. "I saw this was an amazing opportunity." Troy and Legere also renovated a downtown building, built in the 1890s, to house their successful home décor business.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-03-16-jersey-development_x.htm

[solvs]

NJ sucks. :mad: Not because of the gay thing, I just hate NJ. :p They should actually encourage homosexuals to come there. It's done wonders for parts of NY and New England.

LA is pretty fun too. As is San Francisco. Looking at some areas of the South that aren't exactly friendly to the whole gay thing, I'm thinking gay = good.

[leekohler]

NJ sucks. :mad: Not because of the gay thing, I just hate NJ. :p They should actually encourage homosexuals to come there. It's done wonders for parts of NY and New England.

LA is pretty fun too. As is San Francisco. Looking at some areas of the South that aren't exactly friendly to the whole gay thing, I'm thinking gay = good.

I LOVE LA, but- you need a car. :( I would move there in a heartbeat if it weren't for that. I've just gotten used to not having one here in Chicago. I can't imagine owning a car anymore. They're so much cheaper to rent. ;)

Part of what I was saying about Asbury Park was true about Chicago 10 years ago- most people thought it was a waste. Now, everyone wants to live here. Asbury Park will be the same. It's a great location and beautiful.

[solvs]

I see a new slogan:

Gays, great for the economy!

Suck it fiscal conservatives.

[Queso]

I see a new slogan:

Gays, great for the economy!

Suck it fiscal conservatives.
There was an episode of Will and Grace where Will bought a house out in the country. The locals were all bringing him gifts at first, but when he said he'd made a mistake and wanted to sell up and leave they got all threatening and started throwing bricks through the windows. They were all wanting the gays to come and make them millionaires :)

[solvs]

There was an episode of Will and Grace where Will bought a house out in the country. The locals were all bringing him gifts at first, but when he said he'd made a mistake and wanted to sell up and leave they got all threatening and started throwing bricks through the windows. They were all wanting the gays to come and make them millionaires :)

I saw that ep too. I don't think it was a brick though. I thought it was like, jam or jelly, or something.

[Macky-Mac]

Rock on, New Jersey!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-gay-marriage,1,1723907.story?coll=chi-news-hed

yeah....but it was the NJ State Supreme Court that did the real work here by ruling that gays were entitled to the rights and benefits of marriage. The Court said the Legislature should decide what to call it and the Legislature quickly decided NOT to call it "marriage"

[leekohler]

yeah....but it was the NJ State Supreme Court that did the real work here by ruling that gays were entitled to the rights and benefits of marriage. The Court said the Legislature should decide what to call it and the Legislature quickly decided NOT to call it "marriage"

Yes, but it's step in the right direction. I'll take it. ;)