President Pelosi?

[Ugg]

She's got a good track record, a consumate politican, attractive.....

Has anyone heard any rumors as to whether she's interested in running.

[zimv20]

shortest path: impeach bush and cheney and remove them from office.

[vniow]

shortest path: impeach bush and cheney and remove them from office.

That's the only way I see it happening. I doubt she'll run on her own. And impeachment itself is a big if as well.

[clevin]

that would take 2 years, a natural disaster is needed, lol

[WildCowboy]

I hope she doesn't run...she's viewed as too much of a liberal to be able to draw the middle-of-the-road voters. If she runs, the Republicans win.

[jelloshotsrule]

the dems have said they're not interested in impeachment.

spines? no, they didn't suddenly grow them.

[clevin]

I hope she doesn't run...she's viewed as too much of a liberal to be able to draw the middle-of-the-road voters. If she runs, the Republicans win.
no, op was talking about her position, house speaker is 3rd in line for presidency if sitting president and vice president got removed in any situation.

[WildCowboy]

no, op was talking about her position, house speaker is 3rd in line for presidency if sitting president and vice president got removed in any situation.

No, he specifically asked if she was interested in running.

[clevin]

No, he specifically asked if she was interested in running.

oh, my bad, didn't see it. :D

[benthewraith]

She's got a good track record, a consumate politican, attractive.....

Has anyone heard any rumors as to whether she's interested in running.

No, I suspect Hillary will run, and bury her if she attempts to run as well.

[WildCowboy]

No, I suspect Hillary will run, and bury her if she attempts to run as well.

I really hope Hilary doesn't run either...she's made an awful lot of enemies over the years by squashing anyone who doesn't completely fall in step with her. No way she can win the swing voters either.

[PlaceofDis]

I really hope Hilary doesn't run either...she's made an awful lot of enemies over the years by squashing anyone who doesn't completely fall in step with her. No way she can win the swing voters either.

i just don't think Hilary has the charisma.

with the elections over, i wonder what Obama will do. he said he would make his decision once the mid-terms were over. although there is still a long time to go, i would like to see him run and win.

[WildCowboy]

with the elections over, i wonder what Obama will do. he said he would make his decision once the mid-terms were over. although there is still a long time to go, i would like to see him run and win.

Absolutely...I think Obama could be a terrific candidate. He's making a national name for himself (particularly with all of his appearances on TV the last few days) and has an incredible amount of charisma.

[jelloshotsrule]

I really hope Hilary doesn't run either...she's made an awful lot of enemies over the years by squashing anyone who doesn't completely fall in step with her. No way she can win the swing voters either.

plus she's pretty much a hawk.

[clevin]

Absolutely...I think Obama could be a terrific candidate. He's making a national name for himself (particularly with all of his appearances on TV the last few days) and has an incredible amount of charisma.

Im not racist, but I think there is a pink elephant here, do you really think southern state old white boys will vote for him?

[MACDRIVE]

shortest path: impeach bush and cheney and remove them from office.

I'm not really the celebratory type, but if that was to actually happen, I think I would just about have to celebrate. :)

[WildCowboy]

Im not racist, but I think there is a pink elephant here, do you really think southern state old white boys will vote for him?

I don't think they'd vote Democrat anyway. Harold Ford certainly did respectably well in Tennessee. And Gore nearly won in 2000 (actually, he did win) without carrying a single southern state (except Florida, of course ;) ).

[MACDRIVE]

Im not racist, but I think there is a pink elephant here, do you really think southern state old white boys will vote for him?

Worse yet, I think Brother K would want to kill him. Obama would definately
need a lot of security 24/7. :cool:

[Ugg]

Im not racist, but I think there is a pink elephant here, do you really think southern state old white boys will vote for him?

Obama doesn't present himself in the manner of Jesse Jackson or other black politicians who got their start in the 60s, in other words not like a southern baptist type. He's way more urbane and very centrist and while religious, doesn't wear it on his sleeve. His father was also from Kenya so he's an immigrant's son, not the descendant of slaves.

While I can't speak for the southern white guys, I'll bet that he draws a lot of the fence sitter types.

[atszyman]

shortest path: impeach bush and cheney and remove them from office.

Won't happen. If impeachment is even rumored, expect Cheney to step down for "health" reasons and a new VP who cannot be implicated in any of the shady dealings of this administration. There's no way they'd risk giving the White House to a Democrat.

[beatsme]

Im not racist, but I think there is a pink elephant here, do you really think southern state old white boys will vote for him?

I believe white males tend to vote more reliably Republican than anything else, so I'm not sure it would matter. What Obama could do is rally the 18-24 yr. olds, women, and non-white ethnic groups i.e. the groups that put Clinton in office. It could happen, which would make an interesting problem for the Republicans...

[solvs]

No to all of them. Sadly, none of them have a chance, and it has little to do with their values. She won't initiate impeachment proceedings at this point, but if they find something out while investigating, or things get worse, they'd have plenty of material to try.

Right now it's all about testing the water, seeing what happens, then doing nothing. :p :o :(

[Thomas Veil]

Worse yet, I think Brother K would want to kill him. Obama would definately
need a lot of security 24/7. :cool:Well, there's a solution to that.

You know how Bush chose Cheney as V.P. because he knows his enemies don't want to see Cheney become president? Obama would need a running mate like that.

So...Obama/Hillary in '08!

[FFTT]

It would be foolish to openly announce any attempt to impeach before this
new Congress is in place.

They have to have subpoena power before they could even begin to get the ball
rolling.

[iGary]

I hope she doesn't run...she's viewed as too much of a liberal to be able to draw the middle-of-the-road voters. If she runs, the Republicans win.

Herein lies the problem.

The Democrats have zero leadership and no platform or plan for anything.

[Queso]

Herein lies the problem.

The Democrats have zero leadership and no platform or plan for anything.
Whereas the Republicans want world-domination and übercapitalism. Call me an anarchist if you want, but I'd rather no government than one that's bent on destruction.

[iGary]

Whereas the Republicans want world-domination and übercapitalism. Call me an anarchist if you want, but I'd rather no government than one that's bent on destruction.

Oh, I don't necessarily disagree, but a lot of people around here think the problems of our country and this world will suddenly disappear when the new members get sworn in.

Simply not so.

[Queso]

Oh, I don't necessarily disagree, but a lot of people around here think the problems of our country and this world will suddenly disappear when the new members get sworn in.

Simply not so.
Very true. I think yesterday's results were more about a desire for the Bush administration to be watched effectively than anything the Dems did. Bush and the White House team were literally getting away with murder, and their friends were filling their pockets in the meantime.

Bush isn't one to hide his thoughts easily. You can read him like a book, and what was showing through from his re-election until yesterday was not pretty. The Emperor Nero probably had a similar manner about him.

As for the Dems, it's all down to Pelosi now. If she can get them organised and producing positives rather than attacking negatives, they'll make progress. Otherwise a different set of Republicans will take it all back again in 2008. Not that that would be a bad thing. If anyone in Government is useless they should be kicked out of office.

[jelloshotsrule]

Oh, I don't necessarily disagree, but a lot of people around here think the problems of our country and this world will suddenly disappear when the new members get sworn in.

Simply not so.

couldn't have said it better myself. as i joked with my roommate when the (D) wins were rolling in tuesday "will it suddenly stop raining now?"

[Ugg]

Oh, I don't necessarily disagree, but a lot of people around here think the problems of our country and this world will suddenly disappear when the new members get sworn in.

Simply not so.


Nothing could be further from the truth and you are insulting a lot of people by making such a broad statement.

Dems have generally been more inclusive in the law making process, also much less secretive. What we can expect is a return to a democratic process instead of an autocratic one.

[atszyman]

If anyone in Government is useless they should be kicked out of office.

That is unless the alternatives

want world-domination and übercapitalism.

I'd rather have useless than that.

I'm just looking forward to some reining in of Bush's powers and forcing him to actually ask and having a debate before they strip what few liberties we have left away. I'm optimistic if only for that reason.

I'm hopeful that the Dems can take the newfound power and actually affect some positive change, or at least force debate/discussion on some of the really big issues like the debt, Iraq, detainee treatment and some of the President's power grabs. Given their past history and what appears to be the lack of a plan I'm not counting on this.

[iGary]

Nothing could be further from the truth and you are insulting a lot of people by making such a broad statement.

Dems have generally been more inclusive in the law making process, also much less secretive. What we can expect is a return to a democratic process instead of an autocratic one.

My, my, aren't we a grumplestiltskin today. :rolleyes:

I said "a lot" not all "people here."

I'd said the Democrat lovefest going on in these threads pretty much proves my point:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=249969
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=250310
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=250118
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=249953

I'm not saying that everyone shouldn't be happy -I am.

I do think that a lot of people's expectations are unrealistic however.

Don't understand why you think I insulted anyone.

*shrug*

[bowens]

Just found this video about Pelosi on google. I thought it was pretty funny.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6154222891702496756&q=pelosi

[solvs]

but a lot of people around here think the problems of our country and this world will suddenly disappear when the new members get sworn in.

I don't know, I think most of us realize the Dems aren't going to fix everything. We're just really, really happy the neocon agenda has been slightly halted. As I've said, better a gov that does nothing than one that does everything wrong. And insists on doing so so vehemently.

I'm sure there are exceptions to that rule, but I don't think a lot of us here actually think the Dems are going to do a good job, and would be surprised if they did.

[it5five]

Just found this video about Pelosi on google. I thought it was pretty funny.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6154222891702496756&q=pelosi

Hi bowens, you seem to be back to your normal trolling self.

[solvs]

Hi bowens, you seem to be back to your normal trolling self.

Yeah, if you're going to criticize the woman, do it for the right things. Like how she convinced people not to go on the Colbert show because they made fun of them. Which was stupid, because it helped the people who were on it and hurt those who didn't.

Except for Libermann. He still won. Even though they gave it to him good.

[atszyman]

I don't know, I think most of us realize the Dems aren't going to fix everything. We're just really, really happy the neocon agenda has been slightly halted. As I've said, better a gov that does nothing than one that does everything wrong. And insists on doing so so vehemently.

I'm sure there are exceptions to that rule, but I don't think a lot of us here actually think the Dems are going to do a good job, and would be surprised if they did.

I'm with solvs. Probably the biggest relief is knowing Bush won't be able to concentrate more power in the executive branch than he already has. On the one hand it would have made for a very powerful Dem in the spot in '08. However it's a bit disconcerting that it would have been his final 2 years so he'd have nothing left to lose by trying to do more damage than he'd done in the previous 4. Their optimism on keeping at least one of the houses probably kept Bush from doing some things that we wouldn't have liked and now he's lost his rubber stamp completely. He won't be able to throw out the Geneva conventions on a whim, or start any more warrantless wiretapping/search programs.

His ability to get what he wanted out of Congress was starting to scare the hell out of me and given his approval numbers, two more years of rubber stamping would have practically handed Congress and the White House to the Dems in '08. With that assumption the GOP would have had nothing left to lose for the next 2 years, I don't even want to think about the damage that they could have done on a world scale. At least now I'm fairly confident that we're not going to invade Iran, and the President won't be able to start any more secret surveillance programs without risking some serious consequences.

I sleep much easier knowing his power will now be checked, and may even be checked for the next two months as some of the GOP candidates who may have lost decide that they need to stand up to the President if they want any shot at running in a future race.

[obeygiant]

Whereas the Republicans want world-domination and übercapitalism.

yeah those republicans, they would rather do that then not make any money and be dominated.

[dsnort]

...i.e. the groups that put Clinton in office.

I didn't know the Reform Party was still around!

And Gore nearly won in 2000 (actually, he did win) without carrying a single southern state (except Florida, of course ;) ).

Good to see the tinfoil hat brigade is still alive and well. :D

[WildCowboy]

Good to see the tinfoil hat brigade is still alive and well. :D

I'm just trying to cover all my bases by putting it in parentheses. If I'd left it out, someone would have squawked. I hoped I could avoid comments regarding the other perspective by making it a sidelight. Apparently not. ;) :D

[skunk]

How much more damage can the outgoing Republicans do before the new lot take over at Christmas?

[atszyman]

How much more damage can the outgoing Republicans do before the new lot take over at Christmas?

One would hope not too much. Many of those leaving may be contemplating a run at office again in 2008 so to blindly rubber stamp anything the President wants would fully bury any chance they had of that campaign. The Americans have spoken and are sick of Bush running around without any form of oversight from congress. For any members who lost their election, now would be the time to start standing up to the administration so they can say, "you spoke, and I listened, I stood up to the administration when you made it clear that's what you wanted." That would go a whole lot further in their next run for office than, "you voted me out so I acted like a child and did whatever the administration wanted to do to screw the American people even more."

Lincoln Chafee seems to have taken his lesson fairly well, hopefully there are others and we might see change coming before January.

[Garden Knowm]

Nothing could be further from the truth and you are insulting a lot of people by making such a broad statement.

Dems have generally been more inclusive in the law making process, also much less secretive. What we can expect is a return to a democratic process instead of an autocratic one.

What exactly does that mean "INSULTED"? Who is getting "insulted"?

Question #2 - Is it possible to be a Democrat, but still be against equal rights.. example: GAY MARRIAGE

Question #3 - If AL Gore is elected, will he do everything in his power to reverse global warming?

iloveyou

[Garden Knowm]

Don't understand why you think I insulted anyone.

*shrug*
MAy I postulate...

If "YOU" think that "YOU ARE" something.. than it is only a matter of TIME.. before "YOU" get insulted....

I think that is how it works..

iloveyou

[Ugg]

One would hope not too much. Many of those leaving may be contemplating a run at office again in 2008 so to blindly rubber stamp anything the President wants would fully bury any chance they had of that campaign. The Americans have spoken and are sick of Bush running around without any form of oversight from congress. For any members who lost their election, now would be the time to start standing up to the administration so they can say, "you spoke, and I listened, I stood up to the administration when you made it clear that's what you wanted." That would go a whole lot further in their next run for office than, "you voted me out so I acted like a child and did whatever the administration wanted to do to screw the American people even more."

Lincoln Chafee seems to have taken his lesson fairly well, hopefully there are others and we might see change coming before January.

Yeah, I agree. There will be a flurry of pork, but given the Democrats will control investigations into criminal (read republican) activitiy, I doubt too many are going to get carried away.

[Thomas Veil]

Just found this video about Pelosi on google. I thought it was pretty funny.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6154222891702496756&q=pelosiWow.

I guess Republicans just feel too threatened by women like Hillary and Nancy Pelosi.

May I suggest some less threatening alternatives?

[zimv20]

I guess Republicans just feel too threatened by women like Hillary and Nancy Pelosi.
it's amazing how after several years of clinton budget surpluses, then 6 years of bush deficits, some of them records, righties will still attack dems on money management.

old habits die hard, i guess.

and on top of that, it wasn't even a very good video. very amateurish. but look who posted it...

[Queso]

yeah those republicans, they would rather do that then not make any money and be dominated.
There's your binary view of the world showing again. Life's just one big on-off switch for you isn't it?

:rolleyes:

[solvs]

There's your binary view of the world showing again. Life's just one big on-off switch for you isn't it?
There are 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary, and those who don't. :p

[Thomas Veil]

it's amazing how after several years of clinton budget surpluses, then 6 years of bush deficits, some of them records, righties will still attack dems on money management.Yeah, that kind of drives me nuts too. The two biggest deficit spenders in the last quarter century were Reagan and Bush II. Their pet programs put us far, far deeper in debt than Clinton ever did.

Yet Republican apologists always hark back to the Democratic deficits of the 1960s and '70s, which were far smaller and which were spent on social programs. It's this debt that Republicans complain about.

And yet the myth persists that Democrats can't manage a budget. You've got to hand it to them, it's a marvel of right-wing propaganda, aided and abetted by the wimpy Democrats' refusal to strongly and consistently rebut it.