Petition For AirPort Extreme in iBooks

[bradz_id]

I have been waiting forever (Over a year) for a good iBook update to come along and they got so close. There is still no AirPort Extreme!!!

Go to www.petitiononline.com/ibookxtr to sign the petition.

[seamuskrat]

I am sure the main reson why Apple did not inlclude APE is that it was not needed.
Think about it.
Most homes in the US still use DIAL UP. Less than 50% have broadband. Even those that do have DSL/Cable it does not exceed what standard airport can deliver.
For those homes with two computers that need to be networked, the liklihood that both machines will be wifi ready is low. The only real need in a consumer machines for APE is file exchange. Although very fast and nice, the VASt majority will be happy with the speeds of regular airport. I know using a regular ap network, even copying 600 meg files is not bad. Now imaging a 20 gig drive then I would want APE, but few 'iBook market' consumers will really need this.
I LOVE APE but its not a requirement for home use. I do not know the hardware costs difference for Apple, but I am sure they left it out because it really was not needed, it costs more, and it helps differentiate the pro line. If you MUST have APE then you probably need more power and other PB features anyhow.

[tazo]

Originally posted by bradz_id
I have been waiting forever (Over a year) for a good iBook update to come along and they got so close. There is still no AirPort Extreme!!!

Go to www.petitiononline.com/ibookxtr to sign the petition.

ya know internet petitions mean nothing right? sort of like online IQ tests

[iJon]

oh great, no any more stupid petitions. give it up people, so dumb. i thought this was just a phase for some people and it was over. get a powebook.

iJon

[rugby]

This petition will do nothing, it's stupid, and childish. I'm willing to guess when the iBooks get a SERIOUS revision that they'll get Airport Extreme.

Why not question about the 15" PB and why it doesn't have Airport Extreme.

[baby duck monge]

i actually can see a big need for APE. if they made a card that fit in the old airport slots, it could benefit a lot of people.

believe it or not, some places (businesses, schools) may have a number of older iMacs or the like floating around. wouldn't it be nice to be able to network those all a bit faster?

and as far as iBooks in particular go, what about schools? i am sitting in my dorm's lounge typing on one now. many of my friends have iBooks. the campus network has sometimes been known to allow speeds faster than airport can handle, and peeople might want to share directly between computers. are all us students really supposed to go out and get new powerbooks?

just some things to think about. just because *households* can't handle APE doesn't mean there aren't other areas using the same equipment that can.

[iJon]

Originally posted by baby duck monge
i actually can see a big need for APE. if they made a card that fit in the old airport slots, it could benefit a lot of people.

believe it or not, some places (businesses, schools) may have a number of older iMacs or the like floating around. wouldn't it be nice to be able to network those all a bit faster?

and as far as iBooks in particular go, what about schools? i am sitting in my dorm's lounge typing on one now. many of my friends have iBooks. the campus network has sometimes been known to allow speeds faster than airport can handle, and peeople might want to share directly between computers. are all us students really supposed to go out and get new powerbooks?

just some things to think about. just because *households* can't handle APE doesn't mean there aren't other areas using the same equipment that can.
well when you are transferring with airport extreme it isnt much faster, plus the whole 150 feet isnt airport extreme. you have to be with 50 feet of the station to get the. chances are in most big buildings you may not be within 50 feet of the airport base station and you are back at b. its not that big of a deal. i have seen nothing special with airport extreme, i would take my old linksys router over it anyday.

iJon

[biscool]

Come sign my internet petition to stop all other internet petitions!! Oh, wait...

[Macpoops]

Quit your bitching and Buy a Powerbook if you want it. Do you do that much file transfering that this is a problem? Probably not. You just think this is going to make your internet connection faster. GUESS WHAT IT IS NOT GOING TO DO THAT. Quit your whining and open your checkbook and buy a Powerbook. Next you'll be bitching about how you need a G4 and APE in an iBook. Sounds alot like the 12" powerbook to me.

[yzedf]

Originally posted by baby duck monge
i actually can see a big need for APE. if they made a card that fit in the old airport slots, it could benefit a lot of people.

believe it or not, some places (businesses, schools) may have a number of older iMacs or the like floating around. wouldn't it be nice to be able to network those all a bit faster?

and as far as iBooks in particular go, what about schools? i am sitting in my dorm's lounge typing on one now. many of my friends have iBooks. the campus network has sometimes been known to allow speeds faster than airport can handle, and peeople might want to share directly between computers. are all us students really supposed to go out and get new powerbooks?

just some things to think about. just because *households* can't handle APE doesn't mean there aren't other areas using the same equipment that can.
The iBook is the baseline model. If you want more / better features or hardware, you have to buy the PowerBook. That is why there are 2 seperate lines.

As for faster networking; that was solved ages ago with cat5 cable. 100 versus 11... which should I choose? Not 50-something, that is for sure. And I am sure that your campus network has had 10/100 capabilities for years :rolleyes:

If you want to flame Apple, at least use your brain first! :mad: idiot

[Sun Baked]

Airport Extreme is a benefit of the new Intrepid chipset, the current iBook is running the Pangea chipset.

Airport is tagged off the IDE line, while Airport Extreme requires a PCI connection -- which Pangea may not have.

You could be asking for something that is impossible on the current iBook architecture.

It may be something that requires an architecture change to accomplish, which means it'll probably happen with the next form factor change.

You might as well be asking for USB2.x and FW800 to be added to the current iBook while you're at it -- which is equally unlikely under Pangea. :rolleyes:

[Steradian]

Originally posted by yzedf


If you want to flame Apple, at least use your brain first! :mad: idiot

Hey, I Don't think he was trying to flame apple,( even so don't call em an Idiot(you don't want to get banned for this etc) ) I think he was trying to make an uninformed comment on how APE is good, and what he would like to have it in his consumer lvl computer. I understand...I think. But do remember that the only things that need to be networked wirelessly are the ibook's. and the ibooks lack the PCI card that is needed for thouse APE's. So the schools and companies that have no money would have to buy newer ibooks that are capable, and schools like to suck every ounce of power out of something before they move on...

[kylos]

Wow, what a way to welcome people to MR. Seriously, what is it with you people. Why don't you try politely informing him why you think apx isn't that beneficial. Oh, 'cuz you're so much more intelligent than him and you simply don't have time for "ignoramuses" unless it's to berate them.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Macpoops]

Hey It may not be a great welcome but it does provide a lesson. Educate yourself on something before you open your mouth about it. We are all guilty of that in some shape or form.

[baby duck monge]

so sorry that i am an "idiot" for wanting to take full advantage of the network we have here without buying a new computer.

and seriously, if you would have read what i posted, you would know i was not even coming close to "flaming" apple. i didn't even say they were bad or stupid for not including this technology in the update. all i said is that i could see where there would be a need for these speeds in situations where people would not be using powermacs/books.

please, before you get all high and mighty, think about what is really being said and then temper your reaction to us "plebes."

[rugby]

I would like APE in my G4 MDD DP1ghz but it's not gonna happen.

The phrase of the day is ,"Deal with it."


Originally posted by baby duck monge
so sorry that i am an "idiot" for wanting to take full advantage of the network we have here without buying a new computer.

and seriously, if you would have read what i posted, you would know i was not even coming close to "flaming" apple. i didn't even say they were bad or stupid for not including this technology in the update. all i said is that i could see where there would be a need for these speeds in situations where people would not be using powermacs/books.

please, before you get all high and mighty, think about what is really being said and then temper your reaction to us "plebes."

[iJon]

Originally posted by baby duck monge
so sorry that i am an "idiot" for wanting to take full advantage of the network we have here without buying a new computer.

and seriously, if you would have read what i posted, you would know i was not even coming close to "flaming" apple. i didn't even say they were bad or stupid for not including this technology in the update. all i said is that i could see where there would be a need for these speeds in situations where people would not be using powermacs/books.

please, before you get all high and mighty, think about what is really being said and then temper your reaction to us "plebes."
think about what you are making (a petetion) and then have some common sense. if you dont like how the ibooks are now, spend the extra and get a powerbook.

iJon

[kylos]

Originally posted by Macpoops
Hey It may not be a great welcome but it does provide a lesson. Educate yourself on something before you open your mouth about it. We are all guilty of that in some shape or form.

Any community, even an online online one, should exist to help people grow - in knowledge, social interaction, etc. Your response and the responses of many others stunt the social atmosphere of MR by berating those who should instead be instructed in the proper methods of communication. Instead, you glaringly show your own lack of communication skills. Several people already have managed to politely show why the lack of apx in ibooks really isn't that big of a deal. Please take the time to learn how to communicate. I sure would hate to see MR end up like /. and other flame-pits. I appriciate the overall sense of community too much.

[QCassidy352]

Seems to me that the only ibook users who might want to take advantage of AE are students whose campuses have fast networks. But I'm an ibook using student, and my campus' network is neither wireless, nor fast enough for AE to matter if it was wireless.

I just don't think AE is needed in ibooks. Sure it would be nice if it could be done at no cost to apple (and hence no cost to customers), but given that it would (from my understanding) require remodeling the motherboard, I just don't see the expense as justified.

And if the ibooks got AE, really, what would the 12" PB have over it except for a G4? Bluetooth? I'm gonna pay $500 more for a g4 with a (slightly) lower clockspeed and so that my pda can talk to my computer without a wire? I doubt I'm the only one who thinks that would not be a good use of that $500.

[iJon]

Originally posted by Kyle?
Any community, even an online online one, should exist to help people grow - in knowledge, social interaction, etc. Your response and the responses of many others stunt the social atmosphere of MR by berating those who should instead be instructed in the proper methods of communication. Instead, you glaringly show your own lack of communication skills. Several people already have managed to politely show why the lack of apx in ibooks really isn't that big of a deal. Please take the time to learn how to communicate. I sure would hate to see MR end up like /. and other flame-pits. I appriciate the overall sense of community too much.
i think more people were mad (like me) because he started a petition. there was a phase some months ago where their were petitions non stop and they were very annoying. we know your trying to get apple to hear you but they make sure they know more than you do, and there is probably a very good reason why they dont have airport extreme.

iJon

[yzedf]

Originally posted by Kyle?
Any community, even an online online one, should exist to help people grow - in knowledge, social interaction, etc. Your response and the responses of many others stunt the social atmosphere of MR by berating those who should instead be instructed in the proper methods of communication. Instead, you glaringly show your own lack of communication skills. Several people already have managed to politely show why the lack of apx in ibooks really isn't that big of a deal. Please take the time to learn how to communicate. I sure would hate to see MR end up like /. and other flame-pits. I appriciate the overall sense of community too much.
/. or MR or any other politically charged forum will eventually become a flame fest. That is the nature of a forum that has broad appeal to those of different backgrounds / viewpoints. The online community will never reach utopia. It can't. There is more than one opinion, more than one point of view. Look at the hard line OSS people as an example; do you really think most realize that they are preaching socialism? I highly doubt it.

That being said; I stand by my original post degrading the parent of this thread. If you want pick nits... beware of the consequences.

[herr_neumann]

IF you do not like the content then ignore it. It is not hard to do.

If you have to post why not try, "please do not post petitions" or try and talk to the mods to ban petitions. There is no need to attack someone who is has good intentions. Sometimes I read posts here and wonder if a bunch of twelve year olds are leading the discusions.

[baby duck monge]

glad to see that things are getting slightly less derogatory around here...

i just want to point one thing out...
most of the anger directed at me was unfounded. i was flamed for, what has now been stated multiple times, disgust at the notion of a petition and the start of this thread.

notice that i was not the originator of the thread, nor did i make any mention of the petition at all. i have not signed the petition, nor have i encouraged others to do so. all i did was point out reasons that a certain hardware configuration might be desirable when other people did not seem to see any use for it.

i also did not comment about the feasibility of adding the hardware, just that it would be welcome if included.

to those who provided reasons for why it was impractical to add such a feature to the iBook, thus actually contributing to the discussion: thank you.
to those who could do nothing more than bash people for their ideas and come up with no better contribution than "buy a new computer": i hope you can find meaning in your life some other way than bashing others.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by yzedf
/. or MR or any other politically charged forum will eventually become a flame fest. That is the nature of a forum that has broad appeal to those of different backgrounds / viewpoints. The online community will never reach utopia. It can't. There is more than one opinion, more than one point of view. Look at the hard line OSS people as an example; do you really think most realize that they are preaching socialism? I highly doubt it.

That being said; I stand by my original post degrading the parent of this thread. If you want pick nits... beware of the consequences.

If you want to post personal attacks...beware the consequences.

These are moderated forums, which means any member who consistently causes problems via flamewars, spamming or anything else will be banned. Period.

Be a part of the solution by reporting posts, not part of the problem by condoning or participating in unacceptable behavior.

[Macpoops]

Originally posted by Kyle?
Any community, even an online online one, should exist to help people grow - in knowledge, social interaction, etc. Your response and the responses of many others stunt the social atmosphere of MR by berating those who should instead be instructed in the proper methods of communication. Instead, you glaringly show your own lack of communication skills. Several people already have managed to politely show why the lack of apx in ibooks really isn't that big of a deal. Please take the time to learn how to communicate. I sure would hate to see MR end up like /. and other flame-pits. I appriciate the overall sense of community too much.

I have little tolerance for people who open their mouths quickly and hastily without any knowledge of what they are talking about. I also do not have much tolerance for people who condemn me for being "mean." I know how to communicate. I just don't see the point sugar coating things. I don't see why we need to waste the time to explain my opinion.
I made my point. That was the objective of my post. NOW SINCE I DON"T KNOW HOW TO COMMUNICATE: The objective of this post is to tell you that is to tell you to stop being such a [edited] and worrying about how other people specifically myself, communicate.

[mod edit - No need for personal attacks. First and only warning.]

[bradz_id]

i am the one who started it and I am a student and I do Movie editing, transfer files larger than 5GB regularly and play back movies regurlarly off another computer. 802.11b is perfectly fine for internet usage but I do a lot more than that. I will only just be able to afford an iBook, let alone a PowerBook. I just don't see why Apple invest in lost causes. You can't even buy 802.11b base stations any more and Extreme cards only cose US $25 more than the normal ones. Extreme is a lot better value for money.

When do you guys think the iBooks will get a major upgrade? eg. new motherboard design, G4 etc.

[Sun Baked]

Might as well close this thing, it can only get worse.

Already is starting to look like wasteland fertilizer.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by Sun Baked
Might as well close this thing, it can only get worse.

Already is starting to look like wasteland fertilizer.

I'm giving it one more chance to get back on track.

[hugemullens]

Honestly, Apple views the ibook as consumer oriented, and most consumers don't need 54 mb/sec. In an effort to keep the cost down on the ibook and maybe clear out airport card stock, the used the old cards. I mean no budget oriented pc ships with 802.11G built in, so its understandable. I personally would rather see a PC card slot standard on all apple's laptop, so i could use a flash reader and people could us 802.11 A/B/G via a external card. That was on comprimise i made on my 12 incher, no pc card slot.

[iJon]

Originally posted by bradz_id
i am the one who started it and I am a student and I do Movie editing, transfer files larger than 5GB regularly and play back movies regurlarly off another computer. 802.11b is perfectly fine for internet usage but I do a lot more than that. I will only just be able to afford an iBook, let alone a PowerBook. I just don't see why Apple invest in lost causes. You can't even buy 802.11b base stations any more and Extreme cards only cose US $25 more than the normal ones. Extreme is a lot better value for money.

When do you guys think the iBooks will get a major upgrade? eg. new motherboard design, G4 etc.
trust me, you dont want to transfer 5gb over any wireless network, invest yourself in a crossover cable or a firewire cable and do target disk mode.

iJon

[Sun Baked]

If you look at the Block Diagrams here (http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/hardware/hardware2.html) , you'll see the different architecure used by the various machines.

Under Machine - Architecture - Block Diagrams

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It had been awhile since I'd looked at the Pangea-based machines, where Airport is tapped off the BootROM I/O port instead of the ATA connection like the KeyLargo machines.

OOoops.

[vniow]

Originally posted by rugby
I would like APE in my G4 MDD DP1ghz but it's not gonna happen.

The phrase of the day is ,"Deal with it."

You can easily get an 802.11g PCI card for your Powermac, the iBook has much more limited expandibility like with no PC Card slot and while that may be a good thing from one point of view (the iBook's included with everything, why should you even need a PC Card slot?) but then there comes this thing called Airport Extreme which is really the only big difference between the 12" Powerbook and the iBook (aside from the processor) so if you have an older iBook or even a brand new one, you're out of the loop because you can't upgrade.

Originally posted by QCassidy352


And if the ibooks got AE, really, what would the 12" PB have over it except for a G4? Bluetooth?

Sex appeal.

I've always seen the iBook as 'cute', it started off with all those colors, but then matured into the white model we see today which still doesn't look professional, it looks cute.

The Powerbook however (since the voluptuous curves of the Pismo) has always been sexy to me, if I could afford one, I'd buy it in an instant not just because of the extra functionality over my iBook, but because its a damn sexy piece of machinery.

The 12" Powerbook is a classic rev A machine, innovative and interesting, but off to a rough and quirky start, the lack of an L3 cache on the processor, some people have reported that the screen looks washed out compared to the iBook, just overall mixed reactions have come from it, its not a love-it-or-hate-it notebook, its somewhere inbetween.
I think by the time when it hits rev B, there will be enough differentiation between it and the iBook for the latter to accept Airport Extreme among other things..

[yzedf]

Originally posted by bradz_id
i am the one who started it and I am a student and I do Movie editing, transfer files larger than 5GB regularly and play back movies regurlarly off another computer. 802.11b is perfectly fine for internet usage but I do a lot more than that. I will only just be able to afford an iBook, let alone a PowerBook. I just don't see why Apple invest in lost causes. You can't even buy 802.11b base stations any more and Extreme cards only cose US $25 more than the normal ones. Extreme is a lot better value for money.

When do you guys think the iBooks will get a major upgrade? eg. new motherboard design, G4 etc.
The wired solution is not as sexy, but iJon is correct.

[smileynev]

Originally posted by bradz_id
i am the one who started it and I am a student and I do Movie editing, transfer files larger than 5GB regularly and play back movies regurlarly off another computer. 802.11b is perfectly fine for internet usage but I do a lot more than that. I will only just be able to afford an iBook, let alone a PowerBook. I just don't see why Apple invest in lost causes. You can't even buy 802.11b base stations any more and Extreme cards only cose US $25 more than the normal ones. Extreme is a lot better value for money.

When do you guys think the iBooks will get a major upgrade? eg. new motherboard design, G4 etc.

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[Apple][Forever]

hey, it looks like my post on this got deleted, sorry if i stepped on any toes...

i just hate petitions, you know?

for some reason i love the iBook- had a first rev. tangerine, and now a 700MHz CDRW model... love 'em. I just wish FCP4 ran on it... now I'm going to have to upgrade... :(

[seamuskrat]

I must reiterate my comments that the iBook is consumer and Airport extreme is Pro. I know I said that most homes that even have broadband have DSl or cable. It is true that some schools use faster connections. I work for a university and I can say a few things here.
1) wireless at ANY speed is still a pipedream. In some cases in some areas it does exist, but its just not widespread.
2) Most university or public school networks have 10/100 cabling. Often the actual speeds with traffic, hubs, routers, etc is barely above 15.
3)On the rare days where someone needs to transfer huge files, then acable should suffice.
I still think that the 'average' consumer will not need this. Of course, it cannot cost Apple a ton to put it in, but I think the answer lies in logic board design, power consumption and pro-line differentiation. In this economy I would love it if a school bought LAPTOPS, much less wireless ones. where i work a baseline mac is a G4 400 64 ram and 9.1 STILL!
In time I know Apple will migrate to APe for all, but not until its the defacto standard in all pro lines first.

[melchior]

Love it!

Replies: 35
Views: 379

Signatures on petition: 9

ahahahahahaha

[RandomDeadHead]

All good things in all good time.

[User X]

The only thing I would like to see is a dvd-rom drive standard on the base model (or at least an option). What good is a laptop if you can't watch dvd movies? Not everybody needs a cd-rw on their laptop but the cost difference between dvd-rom and cd-rom is minimal. I don't want to spend the extra $300 for something I don't need. Charge me a $50 upgrade fee and I would still be happy.

I think I will start a petition..........anybody with me!


LOL

[yzedf]

Originally posted by User X
The only thing I would like to see is a dvd-rom drive standard on the base model (or at least an option). What good is a laptop if you can't watch dvd movies? Not everybody needs a cd-rw on their laptop but the cost difference between dvd-rom and cd-rom is minimal. I don't want to spend the extra $300 for something I don't need. Charge me a $50 upgrade fee and I would still be happy.

I think I will start a petition..........anybody with me!


LOL
BTO option would be nice. Would undercut sales of the 900 though... and that is why it's not a option (IMO).