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MacRumors
Apr 26, 2003, 06:09 PM
Apple-x.net (http://www.apple-x.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=283&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0) claims to have screenshots of Panther.



arn
Apr 26, 2003, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by Macrumors
Apple-x.net (http://www.apple-x.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=283&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0) claims to have screenshots of Panther.

I see no reason to believe these are real.

arn

MacAztec
Apr 26, 2003, 06:16 PM
I think it looks cool.

holy MAC!
Apr 26, 2003, 06:18 PM
i actually think this looks legit, cuz else it's a very good and thought out dup.

sparkleytone
Apr 26, 2003, 06:20 PM
in my not so humble opinion....total bs.

but hey its good for a laugh.

Mr.Hey
Apr 26, 2003, 06:25 PM
Agree. As someone else pointed out at another forum, if you had access to Panther and made the decision to leak images why not produce a detailed documentation of the new OS.

applemacdude
Apr 26, 2003, 06:28 PM
looks real but u never know

beez7777
Apr 26, 2003, 06:31 PM
in the "about the finder window" in the screenshot, why is it trademark and copywrited 2002? if this is gonna be a new os pretty much, wouldnt it be TM'd 2003? especially since in the "about this mac" window it says 2003. :confused: the pile though looks kinda cool.

meghop
Apr 26, 2003, 06:35 PM
Can someone post these or host them or something? I can't get onto the site to see... :(

D*I*S_Frontman
Apr 26, 2003, 06:43 PM
There are two good reasons to believe these "Panther Screenshots" are fake:

Arn doesn't buy them.

Apple legal has not come to crush the rumor and pull the images.

Remember the prelim MMD schematic? The heat came fast and furious on that one.

True hardware rumor test:

If it is a major renovation or new product that Apple wants to keep the element of surprise on, then expect to--

a) see hastily leaked documents illustrating the item, and
b) MINUTES later, not hours or days, said documents or images being replaced by Apple legal disclaimers.

If an image or alleged internal document is bantied about for a week on the rumor sites, it's likely a fake.

Rule of thumb: if a rumor looks juicy, save any related sites to your HD. If they are pulled 10 minutes later, you've got a winner...

iJon
Apr 26, 2003, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by beez7777
in the "about the finder window" in the screenshot, why is it trademark and copywrited 2002? if this is gonna be a new os pretty much, wouldnt it be TM'd 2003? especially since in the "about this mac" window it says 2003. :confused: the pile though looks kinda cool.
well not really, look at the about finder window, ours says 2002. everything looks right on that picture, cant find any messups if it was fake. developers probably dont worry about little things like that until the end. we have had 10.2.5 come out and it still says 2002.

iJon

NavyIntel007
Apr 26, 2003, 06:58 PM
My About this Mac says 1983-2003.

Pallish
Apr 26, 2003, 07:06 PM
Either it's real or it's a damn good fake :)

MrMacMan
Apr 26, 2003, 07:11 PM
Possible one of the better, clearest screenshots I have ever seen...maybe too clear... hm....

Nebrie
Apr 26, 2003, 07:17 PM
the site seems to be down now. did anyone save the screenshots?

ratspg
Apr 26, 2003, 07:23 PM
That site seemed to go down pretty quickly, hehe. Anyone get pics so we can view em? Wonder what the fuss is all about. I haven't seen it yet, but I'd just assume they were fake considering how Apple would feel to let screeny's get leaked.

howard
Apr 26, 2003, 07:26 PM
hey those look interesting. now whether they are real or not it isn't at all far fetched...like that ridiculous apple ipod mouse phone...phhh. it really could be panther screenshots. while there is no evidence that they are real there is also no evidence that they are false...is there?

Pallish
Apr 26, 2003, 07:35 PM
Hmm.... the desktop pic is too big to post here but if u tell me how i can shrink I'll gladly do it..

Pallish
Apr 26, 2003, 07:36 PM
Here's the pic of the file menu at least..

keithcobbett
Apr 26, 2003, 07:44 PM
In the "About the Finder" screenshot, the date would have been changed to 2003. It still shows 2002. Good attempt though. Maybe next time.

iJon
Apr 26, 2003, 07:44 PM
here is the other pic. i find it funny how the guy earlier said if these are real they would be pulled from the website, and what do ya know, we cant acces the site anymore.

iJon

melchior
Apr 26, 2003, 07:44 PM
personally, i see no reason to believe these are fake.

the 2002 thing is acceptable in my view and as for 'apple legal', jaguar builds were floating around for ages, screenshots aplenty, i have a feeling, though i am not a lawyer, that the laws are different for screenshots. it is a breach of contract to release such screenshots, but i don't believe it is against the law to show screenshots.

Pallish
Apr 26, 2003, 07:47 PM
Is that the buld number is right beside the version...
Sure.. they could've changed it but isn't that a bit wtf?! :)

in 10.2 u have to click on the version so that the build number appears..

mac15
Apr 26, 2003, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by Pallish
Is that the buld number is right beside the version...
Sure.. they could've changed it but isn't that a bit wtf?! :)

in 10.2 u have to click on the version so that the build number appears..

Well, it does jump a version number. And they do change things. I believe its legit.

I got the images on my webspace if anyone finds the others slow

mainscreen (http://mac15.ambitiouslemon.com/panther/mainscreen.jpg)

piles (http://mac15.ambitiouslemon.com/panther/pantherpiles.jpg)

DeusOmnis
Apr 26, 2003, 08:12 PM
I wouldnt be surprised if Steve had these leaked intentionally. With questions coming up about why the G5 isnt out and how motorola isnt going to be putting out any faster processors, mac users need hope, and this is a worthwhile distraction.

rice_web
Apr 26, 2003, 08:18 PM
Does Apple have a reason to shut down leaks of Panther, especially if good reviews are given?

atodd
Apr 26, 2003, 08:35 PM
FAKE!

1. In the "New Pile" menu item, the "e" in Pile is spaced a bit further out, and is bolder than the rest of the menu items. Photoshopped.

2. Why is Sketch in the dock? It was included with every release of OS X since the beta! It's pretty crappy and would really only be included to make people think it's a new app with Panther.

3. The "Consolidate" text looks too big, the font too skinny and the spacing too large.

4. The Pile looks like crap. (no pun intended.) That design for a pile would get annoying very quickly.

DHagan4755
Apr 26, 2003, 08:35 PM
Too much hype, too little detail.

There's something off about the items highlighted. The font looks almost Photoshopped in there or something. The supposed new items to the Mac OS are a little crisper than the other stuff.

As far as the piles representation goes, there would be no way Apple would allow the piles to look that messy. They seem to erratic and disorganized to be a useful feature.

I think there are going to be far more noticeable differences when you first see Panther. A couple of months and we'll know for sure...

Snowy_River
Apr 26, 2003, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by atodd
FAKE!

1. In the "New Pile" menu item, the "e" in Pile is spaced a bit further out, and is bolder than the rest of the menu items. Photoshopped.

2. Why is Sketch in the dock? It was included with every release of OS X since the beta! It's pretty crappy and would really only be included to make people think it's a new app with Panther.

3. The "Consolidate" text looks too big, the font too skinny and the spacing too large.

4. The Pile looks like crap. (no pun intended.) That design for a pile would get annoying very quickly.

1. Not really. I've looked at this at high magnification, and the 'e' is exactly space the same as in the word 'Folder' on the line above it. Neither does it really look any bolder at high magnification.

2. And X11 and Console are in the Dock, too. So what? We don't know what the system was being used for, so the fact that any given app is in the dock is hardly a reason to say this is a fake.

3. Again, at high magnification, comparing this to similar items captured from my system, this looks quite clean.

4. I have no real comment on this. Without seeing what it looks like in action, I don't feel terribly compelled to pass judgement on its appearance.

All of that said, I have no real opinion as to whether or not this is legit. But, none the less, it is interesting.

P.S. As to the 'Version 10.3 (build 7D15)', I could see it as conceivable that this was set this way for the developer versions, so they can keep track of what build they're on a little more easily. But, then, I really don't know. Just speculating...

shadowfax
Apr 26, 2003, 09:10 PM
fake stuff! lol. the thing looks a lot like that mock-up (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22636) i made some weeks ago. i dunno, i really like the color in the screen shots, but there is no reason what so ever to believe they are real. i could make those in photoshop.

RBMaraman
Apr 26, 2003, 09:36 PM
I like how so many people have jumped out and said these are faked. Just for comparison, I searched for the thread where a screen shot of 10.2 was leaked, and the .Mac screen was shown for the first time. Several people that have called these Panther screen shots fake also called the 10.2 .Mac screenshots fake (and the Jaguar one's turned out to be real). Kind of interesting if you ask me.

Personally, I think these may be legit. I guess we'll all see at WWDC.

Freg3000
Apr 26, 2003, 09:49 PM
From this pic it looks like the piles feature would have a circular magnification like the dock around its title. Just a thought.

Raiwong
Apr 26, 2003, 09:51 PM
I believe this is real, but honestly..I thought the next mac os x will look much different you know eyecandy :P

Sublime
Apr 26, 2003, 09:51 PM
Mouse pointers? We don't need no steenking mouse pointers...

:p

MacFan25
Apr 26, 2003, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by MrMacman
Possible one of the better, clearest screenshots I have ever seen...maybe too clear... hm....
I was thinking the same thing. But, maybe they are real. I don't know.

arn
Apr 26, 2003, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by DeusOmnis
I wouldnt be surprised if Steve had these leaked intentionally. With questions coming up about why the G5 isnt out and how motorola isnt going to be putting out any faster processors, mac users need hope, and this is a worthwhile distraction.

I find it ridiculous when people suggest that these things are leaked on purpose.

my 2 cents.

arn

iJon
Apr 26, 2003, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by arn
I find it ridiculous when people suggest that these things are leaked on purpose.

my 2 cents.

arn
i second that, apple gets mad over unreleased web browser that is free, let alone pictures of an unreleased operating system.

iJon

dukemeiser
Apr 26, 2003, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by iJon
i second that, apple gets mad over unreleased web browser that is free, let alone pictures of an unreleased operating system.

iJon

Ahem? Jaguar screen shots were flying around Think Secret for a LONG time before it's released. And his Steveness did several demos in his keynotes before it was released. I find it silly that they think Steve did it, but intentional release isn't out of the question. It's all about hype. You get the Mac addicts all excited about Panther so they'll go out and buy it. It worked for Jaguar, I'm sure Apple can't wait to hype up Panther, and I'm sure Steve can't wait to show a nice long demo of it at WWDC. Just hearing about Piles makes me go want to buy a copy already. See, the hype is already working.

Flowbee
Apr 26, 2003, 10:42 PM
You mean to tell me that someone has a working version of 10.3 and *that* is the best screen shot they can come up with??? A lame pile on the desktop? Show us a feature that *hasn't* been discussed on the rumor sites (there will certainly be a few surprises when it's announced).

This whole thing stinks till next Tuesday, if you ask me.

arn
Apr 26, 2003, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by dukemeiser
I find it silly that they think Steve did it, but intentional release isn't out of the question.

In my opinion, it's almost entirely out of the question.

I think people have an over-inflated sense of importance of the rumor community. There were countless theories, how the pirated Mac OS X 10.0 versions that were floating around were actually intentionally slowed down by Apple - just to screw with people - and that the final release would be TONS faster. In fact, one website claimed this was exactly the case. (it was not the case, btw)

(Even when copies showed up at Staples a few days early... people were claiming that these boxed retail versions were fake, and that they were a ruse by Apple... that a new set of boxes would be released the day of the official release.)

I personally don't believe that Apple/Jobs sit around thinking how to mess with the rumor community, and/or make minor leaks - and for what purpose? There's plenty of hype to go around. I think if anything, Apple would prefer less hype... as it causes inflated expections.

again, just my opinion
arn

iJon
Apr 26, 2003, 10:57 PM
well the more and more i look at this picture the better it looks. ive started looking at the little things like messups in the screen shot process and there are none, this is very well done. what is puzzling me though is if the site photoshopped their logos into the picture, i highly doubt they would have copy.

iJon

jimjiminyjim
Apr 26, 2003, 11:00 PM
Honestly, I can't imagine Apple making something as ugly as the pile concept in their "screenshot" What would a neat freak do with a pile like that!? Even me, with icons and files cluttered all over my desktop, can't stand the idea of such piles.

Why would apple want to leak it's "piles" anyway? That's the only thing of interest on the screenshot.

hehe. Apple's "piles."

arn
Apr 26, 2003, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by iJon
well the more and more i look at this picture the better it looks. ive started looking at the little things like messups in the screen shot process and there are none, this is very well done. what is puzzling me though is if the site photoshopped their logos into the picture, i highly doubt they would have copy.

iJon

it does seem to be well done. I have no evidence that this is fake vs real...

if you go just by random chances of pics/screenshots released anonymously-- most are fake. :)

arn

JtheLemur
Apr 26, 2003, 11:04 PM
Booooo!

1) no way in hell would Apple's potential Pile system have an off-center logo like that (come on, just look at the histroy of every Apple OS)

2) I really don't see them making the Piles feature a haphazard arrangement of clipping icons. It would be much better if it fit into the size of ONE icon (like that flash demo that was posted here a few weeks ago)

3) Why would you need to make a "New Pile"? If a pile is an 'abstract' way of organizing stuff, what the heck would you be creating by selecting that from the File menu?

=P

JtheLemur
Apr 26, 2003, 11:06 PM
Oh -

4) see those two selected items in the "Documents Pile" pile? how the heck would you know what they are, if you were interested in copying or 'consolidsating' them? No way to tell them apart from the other things in the pile.

=P

szark
Apr 26, 2003, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by dukemeiser
Ahem? Jaguar screen shots were flying around Think Secret for a LONG time before it's released. And his Steveness did several demos in his keynotes before it was released.

From what I can see in their archives, ThinkSecret didn't post any Jaguar screenshots until after WWDC 2002. That means they probably all came from the pre-release copies that were given out at WWDC.

Fake or not? We'll know on June 23rd. :D

arn
Apr 26, 2003, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by JtheLemur


3) Why would you need to make a "New Pile"? If a pile is an 'abstract' way of organizing stuff, what the heck would you be creating by selecting that from the File menu?


good point... what would a new "pile" be? Presumably, you would create one by dragging one document on another.... though I suppose you could select them and decide to pile them. akin to how the Open option could be used

Though, if that's the case... "New Pile" would be a confusing term for it.

arn

coumerelli
Apr 26, 2003, 11:35 PM
A couple of things:
1) The '10.3 (build#)' - Mine says 10.2.5. I don't know if the first release is techincally 'x.x.0', but just something to consider. Furthermore, don't you think that it's still in a 'beta' phase? Would not something reflect that? - The jury is still out on this one.

2) About the pile. Allthough I see no pointer, it seems that it would be over the pile in question and therefore the pile would be 'in motion' or something. And think about how the dock works. You don't see the name of the program/folder until you are over it. Right? So why would all of your the document titles be visible only to clutter things up? If you 'consolidated' the pile, don't you think you'd have a good idea of what's in it? - Looks convincing to me.

my 2 cents.

Krizoitz
Apr 26, 2003, 11:36 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Snowy_River
[B]1. Not really. I've looked at this at high magnification, and the 'e' is exactly space the same as in the word 'Folder' on the line above it. Neither does it really look any bolder at high magnification.

Actually, if you look at the word File in the menu and Pile you will notice that there is much more spacing in Pile between the i, l, and e, than in the word File, since it is the same font and same bold level this shouldn't be true

iSmell
Apr 26, 2003, 11:48 PM
All you photoshop snobs think you can spot a ps job from a mile away. You can't. That said, I still think it's more likely than not that this is fake. Most of the stuff on that screen wouldn't be terribly hard to make in Project Builder. You wouldn't need photoshop except maybe to cut and paste a few things. The only thing you couldn't make (at least I can't think how) is the pile, which looks like crap anyway. We'll see soon enough though.

arn
Apr 26, 2003, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by iSmell
All you photoshop snobs think you can spot a ps job from a mile away. You can't.

I agree 100% with this statement. :)

Despite people's claims... they can't spot photoshop fakes.

Famous items which were claimed by many self-proclaimed "experts" to be photoshoped yet were real: eBay motherboard, Cube photos, Quicksilver Photos, Photos from Jobs' speech at Intel.

arn

iJon
Apr 27, 2003, 12:10 AM
Originally posted by coumerelli
[B
2) About the pile. Allthough I see no pointer, it seems that it would be over the pile in question and therefore the pile would be 'in motion' or something. And think about how the dock works. You don't see the name of the program/folder until you are over it. Right? So why would all of your the document titles be visible only to clutter things up? If you 'consolidated' the pile, don't you think you'd have a good idea of what's in it? - Looks convincing to me.

my 2 cents. [/B]
your wrong, i thought of this too and tested to make sure. when you take a screen shot the pointer dissapears, its authentic the way they did it.

iJon

mnkeybsness
Apr 27, 2003, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by iSmell
All you photoshop snobs think you can spot a ps job from a mile away. You can't. That said, I still think it's more likely than not that this is fake. Most of the stuff on that screen wouldn't be terribly hard to make in Project Builder. You wouldn't need photoshop except maybe to cut and paste a few things. The only thing you couldn't make (at least I can't think how) is the pile, which looks like crap anyway. We'll see soon enough though.

WORD TO THAT...all of this "this letter is a half a pixel farther away than the same letter in this word..blah blah blah" is making me sick. by your measurements, i can go to my file menu in safari right now and tell you the the 'e' in Open File... looks further away than the 'e' in the File header.

shadowfax
Apr 27, 2003, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by iSmell
All you photoshop snobs think you can spot a ps job from a mile away. You can't. That said, I still think it's more likely than not that this is fake. Most of the stuff on that screen wouldn't be terribly hard to make in Project Builder. You wouldn't need photoshop except maybe to cut and paste a few things. The only thing you couldn't make (at least I can't think how) is the pile, which looks like crap anyway. We'll see soon enough though. there's an acute irony to your post. you attack PS snobs, and here you go being a project builder snob. you couldn't create this in project builder! don't be an idiot. there would be nothing of it involved. you would have to hack the resource file for the theme. people do this all the time with ThemePark. and surprise, surprise, the app they use to change the individual images that are then composited into what you see on the screen is... ah, you guessed it, photoshop.

not that i don't agree with you that someone who claimed to know it was fake by photoshop would be an idiot, but the simple fact is most, or many, like myself, just say that it could easily be done in photoshop. whether that be by photoshopping individual theme elements or by altering a screen shot, it all ends up the same. same with the icons with the piles. you would just have to copy some icons, rotate them, and place them there. it's not that it's fake, the thing is, it could just as easily be fake as real, so it's pointless. there is literally nothing hinting at these being real except for someone with dubious credentials claiming such.

sparkleytone
Apr 27, 2003, 02:15 AM
people dont seem to realize that there are many ways that this could be fake without being photoshopped.

one could easily whip up a little fun in Interface Builder to create the 'new pile' addition to the Finder menu screenshot, which by the way fails to show the left meny that says Finder or the rest of the screen.

its easy enough to edit files to report the wrong version numbers. such as in the finder.

something is wrong with the 'about this mac' as well...everytime i have seen a build # it says 'Build' with a capital B.

food for thought.

Snowy_River
Apr 27, 2003, 03:24 AM
Originally posted by Krizoitz
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Snowy_River
[B]1. Not really. I've looked at this at high magnification, and the 'e' is exactly space the same as in the word 'Folder' on the line above it. Neither does it really look any bolder at high magnification.

Actually, if you look at the word File in the menu and Pile you will notice that there is much more spacing in Pile between the i, l, and e, than in the word File, since it is the same font and same bold level this shouldn't be true


But the problem is that you're looking at anti-aliased fonts in two different settings. The fact that the font in the menu bar looks less spaced out than the font in the menu itself isn't conclusive.

Indeed, I'd guess that if this was faked, it was faked with interface builder or something similar (for that menu, at least). And, if it was, then there would be no way to distinguish this from a legit menu from 10.3 (at least for those of us that don't know what 10.3 really looks like).

BaghdadBob
Apr 27, 2003, 05:48 AM
I almost missed the boat on this one! And wouldn't you all have been disappointed :D

Here's my take:

PILES?!?!?!?!?!?

I think that almost speaks for itself...I mean, come on, someone has a shot of panther and all they've got is the most highly debated and described feature it is rumored to have?

Lame. Way lame. Lame if it's real, and lame if it's fake.

If it's fake, at least do something cool...not like people are going to run back to you and go "HEY! That screenshot wasn't real after all!" after the fact. Lame creativity!

If it's real, piles look lame, and there must have been something cooler to take a shot of. Lame screenshot!

That's it for me. I'm not even going to open it up in PS to get all bad on it, I just don't think it's very impressive either way. For all it shows, who even cares if it's real? Not me.

Oh, and word to Snowy, I was thinking your anti-aliasing comment every time I heard two pixels here and there, but you beat me to it...by about two hours...

AppleMatt
Apr 27, 2003, 06:24 AM
I have to agree, Apple have been working on 10.3 for ages and all they have to show for it is the RUMORED piles feature?

I'm going on these are fake.

AppleMatt

arn
Apr 27, 2003, 06:36 AM
Originally posted by BaghdadBob
I almost missed the boat on this one! And wouldn't you all have been disappointed :D

I moved this story to Page 1. Not because I necessarily think they are real... but they seem to be of enough interest to everyone...

arn

NicoMan
Apr 27, 2003, 07:05 AM
Originally posted by Flowbee
You mean to tell me that someone has a working version of 10.3 and *that* is the best screen shot they can come up with??? A lame pile on the desktop? Show us a feature that *hasn't* been discussed on the rumor sites (there will certainly be a few surprises when it's announced).

This whole thing stinks till next Tuesday, if you ask me.

Exactly. Steve and Co. come up with their new version of their next-gen OS, and the only that they have to show for is this pile feature (btw the only feature that has been discussed extensively on rumour sites recently), and that's the only thing different visually??

I just don't buy it.

NicoMan

NicoMan
Apr 27, 2003, 07:06 AM
Originally posted by AppleMatt
I have to agree, Apple have been working on 10.3 for ages and all they have to show for it is the RUMORED piles feature?

I'm going on these are fake.

AppleMatt

Oops. I should have read all the posts before posting mine. You beat me to it by half an hour and baghdadbob beat me by almost 2 hours... I agree with you 100%.

NicoMan

cgmpowers
Apr 27, 2003, 07:13 AM
I thought os 10.3 was supposedly going to reflect more like safari's steel look? the white menu bar at top would become steel in color/style and so would the menus & finder & such..

that'd be a more logical step..since everything apples put out recently is of a metalic (sp) theme (imovie, idvd, iphoto, safari, etc)..

christopher

MetallicPenguin
Apr 27, 2003, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by JtheLemur
Booooo!


2) I really don't see them making the Piles feature a haphazard arrangement of clipping icons. It would be much better if it fit into the size of ONE icon (like that flash demo that was posted here a few weeks ago)


=P

I'm pretty sure that the icons were spread out at the time, then like in the demo when you click on it they spread open, then if you put your mouse over it it says the name, and their might be some way or something to lock it to stay open..no I don't know, but personally if this is real at all, I think it looks pretty cool, I was looking at in magnification also, and it looked pretty smooth

Grimace
Apr 27, 2003, 08:56 AM
Indeed the screen shots do look really good. There is nothing crazy being done with Panther like "pay my taxes" in the applications folder so it seems like a legit shot.

Maybe the person has no more info on the OS because they aren't really working on it - ie. like a janitor with a digital camera that got a quick peek.

BenRoethig
Apr 27, 2003, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by cgmpowers
I thought os 10.3 was supposedly going to reflect more like safari's steel look? the white menu bar at top would become steel in color/style and so would the menus & finder & such..

that'd be a more logical step..since everything apples put out recently is of a metalic (sp) theme (imovie, idvd, iphoto, safari, etc)..

christopher

Not that I've heard. The GUI will remain aqua. All apps are supposed to go brushed metal though.

F/reW/re
Apr 27, 2003, 09:30 AM
The corner og the pile-sheets where the sheet is folded looks like crap. It's transparent where it's suppose to be a transition from dark to darker grey.
If this is real it is really bad work and if it's real it's a really stupid funktion. If I'm supposed to have all my documents laying around like this it would be a total chaos!

DakotaGuy
Apr 27, 2003, 09:45 AM
I don't think Apple actually wants this stuff leaked before they are ready to say "the word." However, It is more positive for a software leak then a hardware leak. Hardware leaks kill your sales, software leaks can help because people know what is coming is better and they can upgrade their OS when it comes. Big difference there! I would guess that Apple legal is not nearly as concerned with stopping software leaks as they are with hardware leaks.

I can't tell if they are real or not. I just remember how everyone said the .Mac was a PS fake and Apple was not going to rename iTools... .Mac Well that one was true. Anyhow I guess I will just wait for awhile. Apple usually shows a few screen shots months ahead of the release. I would guess in June when they do the Dev. conference, they will probably post a few screenshots on apple.com.

MetallicPenguin
Apr 27, 2003, 09:51 AM
I am of no certainy, but for some reason I think that was a real picture

And here's a joke:

nero007
Apr 27, 2003, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
you couldn't create this in project builder!

This could easily be created using Project Builder. If you really need proof, I'll make 10.3 (as they have) as well.

Future Man
Apr 27, 2003, 10:21 AM
Originally posted by sparkleytone


something is wrong with the 'about this mac' as well...everytime i have seen a build # it says 'Build' with a capital B.

food for thought.

I can barely quit Photoshop successfully. So I can't say whether or not they were done there or any similar app. But I feel like sparkleytone's evidence is rather compelling for a prognosis of fake. On the other hand maybe capitalization and grammar is the last things on the developers minds until the end of the process.

I also feel like Baghdad Bob has a valid point, if a developer or whoever has a copy of Panther running wouldn't there be more compelling features to screenshot that piles?

We will all see soon enough I suppose...

MetallicPenguin
Apr 27, 2003, 10:34 AM
Well, maybe the photos were taken a little while ago and the other things were/are still being developed, and aren't in that build or weren't ready.

Edot
Apr 27, 2003, 10:49 AM
If this is 10.3, what has Apple been doing. Implementing one feature for over a year!? I find it odd that this is the only feature highligted in the photos. It seems it is the only thing new on the desktop, menus. Apple doesn't release a 10.X release with one new feature. In Jaguar there was more than one thing visable on the desktop that changed. The dock, the menu bar widgets, and more if one opens a window. This realease is supposed to be a user oriented experience. I highly doubt that piles are the only main feature of 10.3. This is targeted to rumor maniacs, and has succeeded in gaining our intrest!!:) If it is real, what has Apple been doing! Based on this picture the release would seem to be vacant of GUI inhancements, which is what I thought it would contain lots of.

Laurent
Apr 27, 2003, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by iSmell
All you photoshop snobs think you can spot a ps job from a mile away. You can't.AGREED!!!

I would go further than that: Real or not, those screens are UNINTERESTING! What's the point of getting excited over a menu that displays "New Pile" and some thrown icons on a Desktop? Until I see the purpose of using piles through a QuickTime demo (like the ones Apple published on their website to demonstrates Mac OS X 10.2), pictures won't excite me on that point...

Show me a Platinium-User-Centered Operating System, a new way of using my Mac. THEN I'll get excited over it...

nichrome
Apr 27, 2003, 11:18 AM
Yeah, it's a total fake.

To add one more reason to the pile (pun intended):

The build ID is way off. There hasn't been a single release from the R7 trunk and yet the subrelease is all the way up at D, months before release. Wazzupwitdat?

For comparison, R6 -- Jaguar -- was only at B at launch.

JJTiger1
Apr 27, 2003, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by nichrome
Yeah, it's a total fake.

I agree. Apple would have shut down this site by now, if the screenshots were real.:o

JJ

MacGizmo
Apr 27, 2003, 11:50 AM
You all getting so worked up over a pile of generic icons on the desktop and "new pile" under the file menu...

I agree with the few other voices of reason in here that say... WHO CARES?!!

To those who are saying, "It looks cool" I ask "what looks cool?" There's an icon with some tilted documents spread out... what is so cool about that? How does this make things easier?

Weather or not this particular pair of photos is fake isn't the question, the question is who cares?

Thirteenva
Apr 27, 2003, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by MacGizmo
You all getting so worked up over a pile of generic icons on the desktop and "new pile" under the file menu...

I agree with the few other voices of reason in here that say... WHO CARES?!!

To those who are saying, "It looks cool" I ask "what looks cool?" There's an icon with some tilted documents spread out... what is so cool about that? How does this make things easier?

Weather or not this particular pair of photos is fake isn't the question, the question is who cares?

come on admit it, you must care a little bit...;)

You did take the time to read the article, view the pictures, skim 3 pages of replies and then post one.....:D

And if we didnt care about spy shots and product previews then none of us would be here or even have taken the time to register to post such replies...

itsbetteronamac
Apr 27, 2003, 12:41 PM
Well if these are real then i don't know for what reason but apple would have changed the color or the little light in the lower right hand corner or the HD icon. In the screen shot the light was green but on my mac the light is a true yellow, almost leaning to a mustard ish color.

Also in another thread that when using grab the pointer disapered, then how come there isn't any grab icon in the dock. To my knowlege there is no way to get rid of that unless you used PS. Hey and if it's possible i wouldn't mind knowing how.

shadowfax
Apr 27, 2003, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by nero007
This could easily be created using Project Builder. If you really need proof, I'll make 10.3 (as they have) as well. OK, but you CANNOT use photoshop, or any other image manipulation program, to generate ANY graphics, because that was what i said. it doesn't matter if you photoshop the screenshot or the base images, there is no getting around that you have to edit the base image or images in some way to get that interface, and this can easily be faked, if you have the manipulator, and project builder won't let you just magically "make" the images that you need.

BaghdadBob
Apr 27, 2003, 12:58 PM
I tried to attach an image but I suck again.

"They tried and failed?"
"They tried and died."

MetallicPenguin
Apr 27, 2003, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by MacGizmo
You all getting so worked up over a pile of generic icons on the desktop and "new pile" under the file menu...

I agree with the few other voices of reason in here that say... WHO CARES?!!

To those who are saying, "It looks cool" I ask "what looks cool?" There's an icon with some tilted documents spread out... what is so cool about that? How does this make things easier?

Weather or not this particular pair of photos is fake isn't the question, the question is who cares?


I do care about this but you're right, and I know for certain that Piles (they better change the name though, like "Stax" or "iStax") will be in 10.3. But I do have no proof that that was a real picture.

celina
Apr 27, 2003, 02:17 PM
Did anybody compare the About This Mac window with their own? Is it only me who sees the version in smaller and less smooth type in the supposed leaked screenshot?

Even in a developer version, I don't think they would have changed the size and quality of the type in one single spot like this.

reedm007
Apr 27, 2003, 02:54 PM
Here's a comparison between "New Pile" in an actual menu and "New Pile" in this menu. There's definitely different spacing going on.

And the version text size is smaller.

Now maybe this is something that changed for Panther, but I doubt it. :)

sparks9
Apr 27, 2003, 02:58 PM
Can i ask a question: Does it matter if these screens are false or not? It is such a small change to the way it looks now!?

Balin64
Apr 27, 2003, 03:33 PM
I honestly believe this could go either way: perhaps it is true, perhaps not. If they are true, we should be seeing more Panther screenies as the summer progresses. Remember last summer when ThinkSecret posted all the Jaguar screen shots? There was barely anything I had not seen already when I finally got my 10.2 install CD's. So, let's just sit on it and wait and see if other screen shots match this one. At this time it is pointless to talk about the way Piles look; we'll see if other leaks collaborate this one.

Ohn and to itsbetteronamac: hold down command+shift=3 to take a shot of your screen at any time. The resulting image will be placed on your desktop.

Nutzoids
Apr 27, 2003, 03:36 PM
I'm real new to the world of Macs. All of this seems too much for me. Fake or not? It can go either way. It seems we just have to wait untill WWDC! Where is the Metal Look?

beatle888
Apr 27, 2003, 03:58 PM
bogus, for one, i dont believe apple would impliment piles to take up so much room. theres better ways to show a "pile" of documents scattered across the desktop. second, why would the person who created these screen shots from panther only concentrate on "piles"? i think the idea for these panther screen shots were generated from the "piles" patent and thats all.

again, i really doubt that apple would use such a lame illustration for "piles" on the desktop.

beatle888
Apr 27, 2003, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by MacGizmo
You all getting so worked up over a pile of generic icons on the desktop and "new pile" under the file menu...

I agree with the few other voices of reason in here that say... WHO CARES?!!


if you dont care then go away.:rolleyes:

speechgod
Apr 27, 2003, 04:51 PM
This screams fake..but...look at the colors of the menu highlights and the X logo. They are a darker blue.

I thought they just changed the gamma or something, but the color of the Finder logo in the About is the same as mine.

So what's up with THAT? Given how crappy the rest of the fake looks, you think think the fake would take the time to make a darker-blue X logo to match the darker-blue menu highlight?

Food for thought.

MacsRgr8
Apr 27, 2003, 05:01 PM
Ofcourse he cares. We all care, why else become a member of a rumor site?
We all want to see pics of new stuff. Fake or not.
Speculating whether a pic is fake, or just talking about the matter is what really gets rumor sites-readers going..... just look how many views/replies this thread has.

By the way, I hope Apple does implement a "theme switcher" in 10.3. Personally, I love the brushed metal theme, and it would be nice if Apple would give us the choice out of the box.

AppleMatt
Apr 27, 2003, 05:02 PM
Assuming these are fakes (which I believe)...

We've highlighted everything wrong with these pictures, now the faker, or future fakers, will refer back to this thread and make even better fakes!

AppleMatt

BaghdadBob
Apr 27, 2003, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by AppleMatt
Assuming these are fakes (which I believe)...

We've highlighted everything wrong with these pictures, now the faker, or future fakers, will refer back to this thread and make even better fakes!

AppleMatt

Well, I think the big problem many (such as myself) have is the lack of creativity, novelity, practicality, and aesthetic quality these shots demonstrate.

That's a lot to compensate for..."you don't have size, skill, or good looks, plus your natural BO is horrible..." "Is that all I've been missing? Thanks!"

MetallicPenguin
Apr 27, 2003, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by celina
Did anybody compare the About This Mac window with their own? Is it only me who sees the version in smaller and less smooth type in the supposed leaked screenshot?

Even in a developer version, I don't think they would have changed the size and quality of the type in one single spot like this.
wait in that picture how do you have that About This Mac thing on your desktop? (the pictures are overlappiing) It looks like you have that one and the desktop from the pic.

Edit: you probably just put your About The Mac thing over the picture, Re-edit: Then again that was your first post and you made this whole thing up, photoshop and all. OOORRRRR>.........I'm just getting paranoid

iSmell
Apr 27, 2003, 05:44 PM
I find it interesting that so many people seem to agree that these are probably fake and that even if they are real, they are uninteresting and show very little of the new OS. Yet this is still a very active thread. Why? Because we all would be very interested if there were real screen shots out on the web. Even if they are uninteresting, just the fact that they're out there means that somebody has access to the new OS that is willing to leak some info. That means we might be able to start learning more about what might be coming our way. That's why these lame pictures have turned into a page one thread.
This is what it's all about. Anticipation.




Or maybe anticerbation.

cbond
Apr 27, 2003, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by atodd
FAKE!

1. In the "New Pile" menu item, the "e" in Pile is spaced a bit further out, and is bolder than the rest of the menu items. Photoshopped.

You know, he (or she) is right, at least partially. Examine how "-ile" in "File" (at the very top) seems to be joined together beautifully. Now examine how "-ile" in "Pile" (the addition in question, below "File") seems to have an "e" hanging. There is no reason to have the "e" hang with one extra pixel of seperation like that... :rolleyes:

Now, maybe it is official screenshot. But when Apple has a history in being excellent (or at least VERY good) when it comes to typography on their systems, I don't think they would get "careless" like that and just muck up the OS that could create the biggest shift yet in personal computing... if the rumors are to be believed. :)

And yes, I do believe in the rumors. Just not in this screenshot. Maybe it was modified to look as it does/did in Apple's underground labs, but still... an effort went into making this image, if it is photoshopped. And I do think that the odds are it is. :(

MetallicPenguin
Apr 27, 2003, 07:13 PM
Okay, I was just/am talking to Trent (the apple-x.net founder) and he says he's not sure whatsoever of the pics, even thoough he said he recieved them from an "apparent insider," we're all pretty certain they're fake.

City of Glass
Apr 27, 2003, 07:24 PM
Here's a point, I'm not sure if this has been brought up or not:

But, in taking a careful look at this screenshot, doesn't the viewer notice something curious?

There is no "Grab" or "Capture" icon in the Dock, whereas in an Amateur screenshot this would most definitely exist.

But here . . . nothing!

Easy to Photoshop out, I know, but would the person spawning this fakery stop to consider that?

Also, until someone finds a website which hosts the same exact desktop background as the one presented here, I'm not sure this could be a homespun creation.

Then again, I could be wrong.


Sincerely Yours,


City of Glass


(edit): As the responses to this post will indicate, I am a very slow and stupid learner. I should be strung up on the Rack, then stoned, then shot repeatedly until there is nothing left but unrecognizable redness, dripping in long streaks down a white wall.

zigzag
Apr 27, 2003, 07:36 PM
Here's proof that they are both fake screenshots:

http://www.spymac.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26994

http://www.spymac.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26990

:D

iJon
Apr 27, 2003, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by City of Glass
Here's a point, I'm not sure if this has been brought up or not:

But, in taking a careful look at this screenshot, doesn't the viewer notice something curious?

There is no "Grab" or "Capture" icon in the Dock, whereas in an Amateur screenshot this would most definitely exist.

But here . . . nothing!

Easy to Photoshop out, I know, but would the person spawning this fakery stop to consider that?

Also, until someone finds a website which hosts the same exact desktop background as the one presented here, I'm not sure this could be a homespun creation.

Then again, I could be wrong.


Sincerely Yours,


City of Glass
and this is where you are wrong, and this has been pointed about 3 times in this thread. you dont have to have grab to take a picture.

Command Shift 3 takes a screen shot, Command shift 4 takes a selection. command shift 4 spacebar takes a certain icon or window

iJon

amnesiac1984
Apr 27, 2003, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by City of Glass
Here's a point, I'm not sure if this has been brought up or not:

But, in taking a careful look at this screenshot, doesn't the viewer notice something curious?

There is no "Grab" or "Capture" icon in the Dock, whereas in an Amateur screenshot this would most definitely exist.

But here . . . nothing!

Easy to Photoshop out, I know, but would the person spawning this fakery stop to consider that?

Also, until someone finds a website which hosts the same exact desktop background as the one presented here, I'm not sure this could be a homespun creation.

Then again, I could be wrong.


Sincerely Yours,


City of Glass

What are you talking about? try reading all the posts, the last person to suggest oyur theory was corrected. I will correct you as well. You do not need to be running "Grab or Capture" to make a screenshot. Just press Cmd-Shift-3 and it goes kerchink and a screenshot magically appears on the desktop. You can even press Cmd-Shift-4 to bring up a crosshair so oyu can take a shot of an area of the screen. Guess what theres more, you can press Cmd-Shift-4 with caps lock on to take a screenshot of a whole window by clicking it. There's no need for grab to be running.

There you go, you learn something everyday :rolleyes:

MetallicPenguin
Apr 27, 2003, 07:44 PM
I can't get to that second one.

By the way here is the chat that I had with Trent.

Hmm....oops I just gave away my actual name! Oh well.

zigzag
Apr 27, 2003, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by zigzag
Here's proof that they are both fake screenshots:

http://www.spymac.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26994

http://www.spymac.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26990

:D

Damn, apple legal took them down. Here they come:

zigzag
Apr 27, 2003, 07:51 PM
had to do it in parts, as size limit is 100kb

zigzag
Apr 27, 2003, 07:51 PM
strange no shadow... in the file menu, there is a shadow... photoshopped.

zigzag
Apr 27, 2003, 07:52 PM
mmhmm

zigzag
Apr 27, 2003, 07:54 PM
conclusion:

These screenshots are very easy to fake... it is hard to find mistakes because it shows almost nothing that is not already in 10.2. Too bad the author forgot that 10.3 is a maor new version and such a version will need new features to sell. Not to mention that the OS X UI itsef needs much work, none of which is visibly being done here.

This image is definetly guaranteed fake.

cbond
Apr 27, 2003, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by speechgod
This screams fake..but...look at the colors of the menu highlights and the X logo. They are a darker blue.

I thought they just changed the gamma or something, but the color of the Finder logo in the About is the same as mine.

So what's up with THAT? Given how crappy the rest of the fake looks, you think think the fake would take the time to make a darker-blue X logo to match the darker-blue menu highlight?

Food for thought.

I had thought that too, "why is it a bit darker," but then I figured that it could have been changed to speed up the download process.

Making the file a quick .jpg download in ImageReady wouldn't change the overall color, unless it was saved as a .gif file first. As a .gif, you have the ability to get the file to have a selective color table.

Is it too much trouble for a few files? Perhaps. And maybe it is also just a janitor's sloppy job at what he saw at work. Who is to say?

I'm still excited. Aren't you? :D

If you aren't... uh, maybe you're in the wrong forum, eh? Using the wrong platform, even? ;)

MetallicPenguin
Apr 27, 2003, 08:48 PM
Okay I'm getting tired of this, it's a fake. It's proven. Let's all go back to Apple MUSIC SERVICE that is scheduled for tomorrow!

zigzag
Apr 27, 2003, 08:49 PM
I agree... lets not get off topic with the fakes here... The music service, IS tomorrow.

nero007
Apr 27, 2003, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
OK, but you CANNOT use photoshop, or any other image manipulation program, to generate ANY graphics, because that was what i said. it doesn't matter if you photoshop the screenshot or the base images, there is no getting around that you have to edit the base image or images in some way to get that interface, and this can easily be faked, if you have the manipulator, and project builder won't let you just magically "make" the images that you need.

You can screenshot the images and send them to that site though. More than likely if I was going to do it I'd use both Project Builder and PS. PS just to combine a couple of screenshots so that you couldn't see that I was using Project Builder.

rockman2023
Apr 27, 2003, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by itsbetteronamac
Well if these are real then i don't know for what reason but apple would have changed the color or the little light in the lower right hand corner or the HD icon. In the screen shot the light was green but on my mac the light is a true yellow, almost leaning to a mustard ish color.

Also in another thread that when using grab the pointer disapered, then how come there isn't any grab icon in the dock. To my knowlege there is no way to get rid of that unless you used PS. Hey and if it's possible i wouldn't mind knowing how.

Command + Shift + 3, you dont need Grab to take a screenshot

merges
Apr 27, 2003, 11:20 PM
These are fake. 7D15 is an inaccurate build number.

Kid Red
Apr 27, 2003, 11:25 PM
Not to say fake or real, but I do have one question about the pile pic-

Why are only 2 of the documents in the pil gryed [selkected]? I don't think the pile would allow each icon in the pile to be individually selected as they are all generic icons. Seems strange to me.

MacDuff
Apr 28, 2003, 02:42 AM
Great Adobe trickery. whoever made these gave me a great laugh. to think that he got people to believe that they were legit kills me. I wish I would have thought of it. I know photoshop and screenshots like this! dang.

MacDuff
Apr 28, 2003, 02:44 AM
the shortcut command is actually:

Command + Shift + 4 for a screen shot.

a thank you...

shadowfax
Apr 28, 2003, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by MacDuff
the shortcut command is actually:

Command + Shift + 4 for a screen shot.

a thank you... right, but it's cmd-shift-3 if you have snapz pro X, which comes with most macs, as far as i have seen. it's a really cool program.

amnesiac1984
Apr 28, 2003, 03:13 AM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
right, but it's cmd-shift-3 if you have snapz pro X, which comes with most macs, as far as i have seen. it's a really cool program.

eh shadow, it is also Cmd-shift-3 for the whole screen without snapz pro. cmd-shift-4 brings up a cross hair to make a selection capture. I said this in my other post but it seems to be ignored. Anyway, I'm only being pedantic , lol

shadowfax
Apr 28, 2003, 03:21 AM
Originally posted by amnesiac1984
eh shadow, it is also Cmd-shift-3 for the whole screen without snapz pro. cmd-shift-4 brings up a cross hair to make a selection capture. I said this in my other post but it seems to be ignored. Anyway, I'm only being pedantic , lol :confused: ah, that's what i thought, actually, but i don't use it. i like the features on Snapz too much. thanks for the correction; there's nothing wrong with a bit of pedantry!

crookedcharlie
Apr 28, 2003, 03:30 AM
Okay, whether or not these screenshots are fake, they, in conjunction with the "rotary dial" mouse got me thinking...

Could another function of this mouse design be to "sort" through a pile on a desktop? You click (or mouseover, whatever) on a pile, the files display themselves in this circular arrangement, and then you "spin" you dial around to get to the file you want.

Makes sense to me...

amnesiac1984
Apr 28, 2003, 05:28 AM
Originally posted by Shadowfax
:confused: ah, that's what i thought, actually, but i don't use it. i like the features on Snapz too much. thanks for the correction; there's nothing wrong with a bit of pedantry!

Yeah Snapz is cool, It came with my MDD but I don't really use it much cos I never really need to make screenshots. I suppose I could use the movie feature to show people how to do stuff.

Anyway, this is way off topic, charlie, thats a real good point. Although It would be a bit silly for apple to make everyone buy a new mouse just to be able to use a feature on panther, although it would probably increase the mouse's uptake. I know that as soon as the mouse comes out i'll be buying it.

jayscheuerle
Apr 28, 2003, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by amnesiac1984
eh shadow, it is also Cmd-shift-3 for the whole screen without snapz pro. cmd-shift-4 brings up a cross hair to make a selection capture. I said this in my other post but it seems to be ignored. Anyway, I'm only being pedantic , lol

Don't forget my favorite- cmd-shift-4+spacebar to bring up a camera that takes a picture of an open window. Hit esc if you don't want it! - j

macphisto
Apr 28, 2003, 04:01 PM
Photoshop is my friend too! Something like this is not dramatic enough for the hype surrounding panther. Besides, I would expect something a little more visually inviting than those shots.

JMHO

jettredmont
Apr 28, 2003, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by mnkeybsness
WORD TO THAT...all of this "this letter is a half a pixel farther away than the same letter in this word..blah blah blah" is making me sick. by your measurements, i can go to my file menu in safari right now and tell you the the 'e' in Open File... looks further away than the 'e' in the File header.

Um, but if you took a screen shot and counted pixels you'd see they aren't. "Pile" in the screenshot is kerned differently than "File".

While this may be a bug in 10.3's menu display subsystem which is somehow not evident in the other screenshot menu items, it would be a rather strange bug indeed. Another "bug/missed detail" is the pinstriping on the menu. If there were indeed an item between "New Folder" and "Open" the pinstripe at the bottom of Open (which just overlaps the bottom of the letters) would be just below the bottom of the letters, as you see in "Open With". The pinstriping is not an even divisor of the font size, so you can tell when someone photoshops a menu by just pulling the original menu items down one.

On the other hand, why would someone go through the trouble of photoshopping a menu bar, instead of just using Interface Builder to make a (100% genuine) menu bar with that one extra item thrown in? It's not like the application name is even shown in that menu shot! I mean, if this isn't an odd 10.3 menu display bug, then these guys are pretty bad hacks!

I don't know. I do know that the build number looks way off, and that the menu kerning is a little off, and that the "Piles" graphic is extraordinarily untidy and frankly disgusting (but that last can always happen during the dev cycle ... a feature will often be put in without the full UI pretty-up job having been done).

IMHO: fake. But, as has been said, we'll see in June.

cbond
Apr 28, 2003, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by jayscheuerle
Don't forget my favorite- cmd-shift-4+spacebar to bring up a camera that takes a picture of an open window. Hit esc if you don't want it! - j

Aaaaaauuugggghhhhhhhhhh!!!

Crap¡¡¡!!!¡¡¡ I just learned another skill! :)

THIS SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

I'm going home!

Oh. Wait a minute...

Aaaaaauuugggghhhhhhhhhh!!! ;)

cbond
Apr 28, 2003, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by jettredmont
Um, but if you took a screen shot and counted pixels you'd see they aren't. "Pile" in the screenshot is kerned differently than "File".


*I* don't care! :)

My intuition says I'm right, yer all wrong and this idea of you tryin' to teach me stuff is all bass-ackwards!

Now, leave me alone! ;)

If you don't... well, hah! Maybe I want you to bug me! But we'll never know, will we?!?!?! :D

:::arrgh::: :ruff, ruff:

Metatron
Apr 29, 2003, 12:05 PM
The iTunes 4 Icon has a green musical note. Why would the newest version of the Mac OS still have an old iApp when we all know that iTunes4 has been around for some time now.

shadowfax
Apr 29, 2003, 04:06 PM
:rolleyes: you never know, maybe they are going to come out with iTunes 5 and change it back for panther... :rolleyes: :p ;)