Matador Records?

[MacRumors]

One reader notes that this thread/post from Matador's site (http://www.matadorrecords.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=463) indicates that there is interest in license music to Apple's new iTunes Music Store:



The short answer is Apple hasn't asked to license Matador music yet, and it's not because we were barking up the wrong tree for the last couple months. I think it was probably all Apple could do given the resources they made available for this project to roll it out with the Major content they had.

It's a drag that Apple chose to focus their huge publicity blast on artists that so desperately need promotion (Eminen?) but we're definitely interested in being involved and I hope it won't belong until you see Matador music up there as well.



Matador Records (http://www.matadorrecords.com/) is home to bands such as The New Pornographers, Yo La Tengo, Pavement, and many others.

Readers are reminded that the iTunes Music Store interface in iTunes contains a "Requests & Feedback" link that allow users to request songs and artists to be added to the iTunes Music Store. According to Steve Jobs from the April 28th event, new songs are added daily.

This Time interview (http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,448048,00.html) with Steve Jobs indicates that adding additional record labels to the iTunes Music Store is in the works:


TIME: What about independent labels? Will they follow suit?

Jobs: Yes. They\'ve already been calling us like crazy. We\'ve had to put most of them off until after launch just because the big five have most of the music, and we only had so many hours in the day. But now we\'re really going to have time to focus on a lot of the independents and that will be really great

[Freg3000]

I'd like smaller labels to be added, just in an effort to please as many people as possible. Is there anyway to find out exactly how many songs have been added in any given day yet?

[vniow]

Just give me everybody on Ningatune (http://www.ninjatune.net/home/) and I'll be happy.

Woah, I just saw that Matador has Mogwai, rock it!

[daedelgt]

It's great to see these smaller studios jumping on board. I can only hope Apple works as fast as they can to integrate everything.

[bluecell]

I think one day we'll see all of the major and indie labels on board. Personally, I'd love to see labels like Matador, Warp, Kitty-Yo, K7, etc. Apple knows what it has to do to be successful here.

[deejemon]

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[iJon]

this is great, even if i dont listen to them we need all the artists. i am thinking for music companies, itunes music will be a usual thing to do. when you make an album, the head guy will go "did you make sure apple got the cd for the store." it will soon be something that music people say "why woudlnt you put your music on apples store." just have to wait, so far every cd ive wanted to buy isnt there, but its ok, its only been open for 2 days.

iJon

[howard]

i totally agree with... "It's a drag that Apple chose to focus their huge publicity blast on artists that so desperately need promotion (Eminen?)"

theres a market much bigger than we think for all those indies bands...

the more the merrier

[Mudbug]

I know that "Apple Records" is a no-no as far as a name goes, but couldn't Apple provide their own version of a "record label" that would provide independent artists with an equal-footing outlet with the big 5 (or 20, with these others included)? Maybe it would even the playing field, and would give the bigger industry companies offer incentives to sign like concert promotion, in-store placement, and the like? Competition, but in a friendly environment.

[Kid Red]

It's a drag that Apple chose to focus their huge publicity blast on artists that so desperately need promotion (Eminen?) but we're definitely interested in being involved and I hope it won't belong until you see Matador music up there as well.

Who's Eminen?

Ok, sarcasim aside. They have a lot of artists and they have are missing a lot of artists. They got who they got, either that's the first wave or that's all the music industry would allow for now.

I am more surprised that the Beatles are out rather then indies or small groups are out.

[Kid Red]

Use the request link if you want certain bands on there.

[thefong]

It seems to me that apple focussed on getting the major artists on there first and in the coming months we will see much of the smaller labels sign on. Personally I dont see any reason or rational for a small label not signing on, then again I have no knowledge of the contracts apple has with these companies. But my money is on the fact that apple didnt intentionally shun smaller lables, it just wasnt a first priority, and in the coming months they will be in contact and they will be added.

[boobers]

Pavement was the first band i checked for..notta...They also need to get Thrill Jockey Records aboard.

[psxndc]

but no Beatles or Zeppelin? No tool or early Pearl Jam? And the most greivous of offenses: no Tenacious D? Shameful.

Seriously though, I think the store is cool, I'm sure they'll add labels as soon as they can, and I think this is a real step towards fixing the whole "I don't want the whole CD so I'll just steal the single" issue.

-p

[kas95125]

It's not my intention to float a conspiracy theory here, but I would like to point out that there's a least a possibility that the reason we're not seeing any indies on board yet is that Apple had to guarantee exclusivity to the Big Five -- perhaps for a limited period of time -- in order to get them to play ball. I saw the bulk of Steve's presentation, and while he did say that new artists would be added in the coming weeks (I think), I don't recall him saying anything about Apple's intentions to add new labels. Does anyone have a different recollection? Like I said, it's only one possiblity, and I hope it's proven false, but those major labels must have known that Apple's service was doomed to failure without them, thus their leverage would have been pretty significant during the negotiations.

[Flowbee]

Originally posted by psxndc
but no Beatles or Zeppelin? No tool or early Pearl Jam? And the most greivous of offenses: no Tenacious D? Shameful.

-p

They may be holding back on some major acts so that they can still make some splashy announcements over the coming weeks. Like "New this week: Madonna!" Might help to keep the music store in the news.

I think adding a bunch of indie lables all at once would make a good press release, too.

[RandomMacGuy]

I think it would be cool if (at least for .Mac members), Apple would have a section where they would host/showcase peoples' own music.

Bring the music to the people, and bring people to the music.

I wish my .Mac membership would get me a certain number of free downloads every year... this would justify my continuing to pay for that particular service.

[crassusad44]

Independent labels will follow, as this quote states:

TIME: What about independent labels? Will they follow suit?

Jobs: Yes. They've already been calling us like crazy. We've had to put most of them off until after launch just because the big five have most of the music, and we only had so many hours in the day. But now we're really going to have time to focus on a lot of the independents and that will be really great.

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Now, if only I could buy some music from the store (hello, it's a world outside the US!!!!)

[arn]

Originally posted by crassusad44
Independent labels will follow, as this quote states:

TIME: What about independent labels? Will they follow suit?

Jobs: Yes. They've already been calling us like crazy. We've had to put most of them off until after launch just because the big five have most of the music, and we only had so many hours in the day. But now we're really going to have time to focus on a lot of the independents and that will be really great.

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Now, if only I could buy some music from the store (hello, it's a world outside the US!!!!)

You have a link for this quote?

arn

[iJon]

Originally posted by arn
You have a link for this quote?

arn
there you go

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,448048,00.html

iJon

[Mudbug]

Originally posted by iJon
there you go

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,448048,00.html

iJon

You know, every time I read something written about or by Steve Jobs, or watch him live on the 'puter, I get a sense that this is a normal, everyday type of person just like you and me that REALLY enjoys what he does for a living. I mean, it's nice to see someone in the top position of a company who can seem relaxed and at ease in front of a huge crowd of people talking about the coolest gadgets in the world, and then use a phrase like "it won't crap out half way through" in an inteview with TIME magazine. I know you all know this already, but it still makes me respect the man even more. No matter how famous or how well _ahem_ paid he is (or should I say compensated), he still doesn't wear a stuffy coat and tie. He's just like his end users. Fun. and different.


And yet better. Like all of us.

[Stella]

yes, yes, so the independents want to get on board, which is good. The more the better.

BUT, Apple - statement on supporting the majority of the world with the music service?

Indi's will want to get as much coverage as possible, so there shouldn't be much problem with international issues? right? so these related music tracks will be available to the rest of us?

Or is apple going to build the minority US service first before making the rest of the world happy? Yes, of course, just like apple couldn't give a **** with iPhoto, Sherlock.

Yes, I'm bitter. I'd paid for OSX - more than US customers, and get LESS.

[Mosco]

.Originally posted by Stella
yes, yes, so the independents want to get on board, which is good. The more the better.

BUT, Apple - statement on supporting the majority of the world with the music service?

Indi's will want to get as much coverage as possible, so there shouldn't be much problem with international issues? right? so these related music tracks will be available to the rest of us?

Or is apple going to build the minority US service first before making the rest of the world happy?

How do you the record labels will allow it? You don't and until you know for a fact that the record labels would allow it, you can't blame apple. But if you find out that they could if they wanted to, then you can blame them:D

[Stella]

Apple, how about focusing on getting the service to the rest of the world.

Or is their strategy - build up the US version to 100% perfect, and then 5 years time, think about getting the service rolled out to the majority of this planet.

No, Apple, you have to focus on making this a *global* service.




[QUOTE]Originally posted by crassusad44
[B]But now we're really going to have time to focus on a lot of the independents and that will be really great.

[Stella]

Well, don't don't blame apple totally, but their service to the rest of the planet is questionable - iPhoto, Sherlock etc.

Music companies can't keep wining and bitching about people downloading music illegially if there is no alternatively can they?? We already get taxed on CDRs etc, and then they release copy protected CDs - how the hell do I listen to this music on my iPod. So, i'll download the stuff (that I pay taxes on already) - so I'll get my money's worth - *UNTIL* there is a legal alternatively.

Originally posted by Mosco
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How do you the record labels will allow it? You don't and until you know for a fact that the record labels would allow it, you can't blame apple. But if you find out that they could if they wanted to, then you can blame them:D

[reedm007]

According to this Le Monde Article (http://www.lemonde.fr/recherche_articleweb/1,9687,318494,00.html?query=apple&query2=&booleen=et&num_page=1&auteur=&dans=dansarticle&periode=7&ordre=pertinence&debutjour=&debutmois=&debutannee=&finjour=&finmois=&finannee=&G_NBARCHIVES=772+813), the service should launch in early May in France:

"Ce service, qui commencera à fonctionner début mai"
Translation: "This service, qhich will begin functioning at the beginning of May"

Folks, I don't think Apple is ignoring the international community at all, I think it just comes down to legal, implementation, and priorities. I'm in France myself, and it just takes time...

Look how we now get localized OSes at the same release date as the US! What an improvement over the past!!

[dricci]

Oh yes, I'm sure Apple wants to cut off the rest of the world and make less money. There are contracts they have to abide by and international laws and exchange rates they need to take into consideration, which all together make this service impossible to implement outside of the US at this time. I don't claim to know the details, but I don't think they want to cut off the rest of the world, I'm thinking they're forced to for the time being. Just keep sending in the feedback, and see what happens.

[Stella]

Originally posted by reedm007
the service should launch in early May in France:


Steve at the opening presentation on Monday could have said something like - "no international service yet, sorry, but we are committed to rolling it out internationally, and we are working on it". And could have given some predictive dates (I know apple doesn't do this normally).

Some sort of statement would have sufficed. But they leave us up in the air. Based upon their treatment of international users, people (US?) wonder why we are getting bitter and twisted!

[bbarnhart]

This is good because I spent 10 minutes trying to find a song that I wanted buy (ended up buy a song that I already own to compare it to my mp3 (from the CD that I own)). I'm also hoping for more complete set of an artist or groups work.

I think Apple Music is off to a great start. I hope they follow through and add next to everything. And, why not?

[NitroPye]

I would like to see the Kill Rock Stars label.

[Mudbug]

Originally posted by Stella
Steve at the opening presentation on Monday could have said something like - "no international service yet, sorry, but we are committed to rolling it out internationally, and we are working on it". And could have given some predictive dates (I know apple doesn't do this normally).

Some sort of statement would have sufficed. But they leave us up in the air. Based upon their treatment of international users, people (US?) wonder why we are getting bitter and twisted!

But they can't speculate on things that aren't cold hard facts. This is a publicly held company with shareholders, publicly traded on a stock floor. If the company - and it doesn't matter which company - makes a claim that they're new product will go worldwide on day X, then turns around and dumps it's engagement in the stocks the day before X without delivering the product on said date X, then they've just committed securities fraud. And the SEC would like to have a little chat with them. That's why Apple, and most other public companies have a "don't comment on rumors/speculations" policy.
Steve can't say that it will go international May 5 (or whatever) - because if he does, and there's an unseen glitch and it doesn't roll until May 6, he's going to have a whole lot of angry shareholders to answer to, not to mention the hoards of upset international buyers such as our friends here across the pond. This is sticky, legal, nasty stuff.

They'd really like your money. Really.

And the sherlock thing is a combination of the availability of the SDK and content providers, often having censorship issues with multiple different governments in such a small area. It wouldn't be worth the effort for Apple to make (for instance) a traffic report channel for London, if the Labor Party decided to not allow public dissemination of the information about traffic flow. Purely an example - I have no real idea of what goes on as far as censorship/content provision.

And I don't have a clue about the iphoto thing either, but it may have something to do with a faliure to procure a commercial printing service in the EU or eastern hemisphere that could economically and timely deliver the books to the masses that ordered them. We are talking about the bound books, right? If not, please PM and explain...

*edited for spelling

[Mudbug]

Originally posted by NitroPye
I would like to see the Kill Rock Stars label.

Then tell them.

[elo]

Apple clearly wants to make this international; the service could actually make more money internationally than in the US, as it will be a useful source of music from artists not from the region. However, it cannot happen as soon as May, for two reasons:

1. Moving this to another country requires a mountain of legal work for each label, each country (except the EU which is treated collectively), and in many cases, specific artists/albums. I would guess that it would take a year to draw up all of the contracts for Europe alone.

2. Apple will no doubt want to add artists specific to the region and its language. This will also take time, and more contracts.

Patience is in order. They want to make money, so they will move as fast as possible on this. The same applies to independant labels.

elo

[Grimace]

Getting on board with the smaller labels is something that Apple will do as quickly as they can. The local garage bands as well as the up-and-comers have some of the most loyal followers who will very likely buy music online. Getting the big 5 first was necessary for Apple to legitimize the service for the mainstream.

[Mudbug]

agreed, and they're showing their interest in it by commenting on indies already. This is day 3 of the service. That's pretty good, no matter what kind of service you're offering.
*edited for spelling - I can't seem to tonight.

[Wry Cooter]

I hope none of us are shy with our requests. Although I am guilty of us. I hope they are logging search requests (anonymously of course) that are coming up empty.

Its odd that Matador is mentioned... they are one of the main reasons to subscribe to eMusic... a majority of the better stuff there is Matador. Wonder what will happen to eMusic if they go to apple music store (which needs a name as short as apple store... iTunes Store?)

[BaghdadBob]

on Tool: I have no doubt Tool is actually not interested in having their albums piecemealed and that's why they're not on board. They are artistic almost to a fault, and their albums tend to be sort of organically symbiotic. Plus their packaging is above and beyond, and their albums sell cheap ($13 bucks for the Mechwarrior II-like anticipated Lateralus at the time of release), probably cheaper than they would go for @ iTMS with the current pricing scheme.

on indie lables: As far as I can tell, Apple only came to terms with the big 5 and many standard hold out artists not that long ago. It takes a lot of work to put 200,000 songs online -- remember, they have to not only categorize and encode, but also select a good 30 sec clip.

on international access: I think Jobs has decided not to take money from you limey/froggie/kiwi/krauts just to stick it to the rest of the world due to his famously Pat Buchannan-like yank-centric political points of view (Disclaimer: not actually representative of anyone's political point of view...that I know of). :rolleyes: OK, in all seriousness I'm sure they will give an international offering absolutely as soon as their contracts/localization efforts allow.

I really think that everyone should realize that Apple seems to have tried to get this to the market absolutely ASAP, and though the technology is super-sweet, as they've been working on that for a long time obviously, there is still a lot of work to be done on the content and availability side, which theoretically they might have been able to do before the release, but I believe that would mean we would still be waiting.

As far as Madonna goes: who really gives a crap? I mean really? Were there a lot of people going "Yes! I can finally get that Madonna song I can never find!"? I don't think so. Same with the Stones and Beatles. Not having them is certainly a detriment, but considering most people have what they want from them on CD already, it's not as bad as people make it sound.

[twelve]

good to hear.

the independent labels have been the innovators for a long time now and i would think apple would want to position themselves as friends to this community and not ignore them.

[dethl]

Steve may have a reason for keeping the international market out of this for awhile. For starters, a windoze version needs to come out to ensure better compatibility. Next, as mentioned above, the contracts and such that would have to go through as well. But I bet Apple could be waiting to have a better catalogue to show to the world, along with artists unique to each country. If Steve plays his cards right, he will practically have the online music industry in his hands.

Also as noted above, this service has been up a total of 2 days......we can't expect every song we want to be put on instantly....as Steve said in the CNN interview: "There are only so many hours".

After Steve has satisfied his main suppliers, he can go for the little fish.

[tjwett]

I'm jumping in a little late here but this is great (potential) news! I would love to see some more indie/hard to find stuff in the iTunes store. I browsed around yesterday for a while and couldn't find a single thing I was into, seriously. I think the most "out there" thing I could find was Modest Mouse which is pretty much bordering on main stream now. I don't listen to pop music or the radio or watch MTV, but I also HATE the annoyances of CDs and if I had a place to pick up my music digitally I'd be all over it. I really hope this starts to happen!

[lmalave]

Originally posted by BaghdadBob
As far as Madonna goes: who really gives a crap? I mean really? Were there a lot of people going "Yes! I can finally get that Madonna song I can never find!"?

Yeah, but maybe I want the remix that I wouldn't pay $5 to get on a CD Single, but would gladly pay just $1 for.

[yumpin yiminy]

question for anyone:
can anyone get a .Mac account, regardless of whether they are in the US or not?
i ask because it seems like that is the main route for being able to buy anything through the Apple Store.
And, if anyone, regardless of being stateside or somewhere in the rest of the world, can get a .Mac account, I'd hope that Apple would be able to easily explain why there is a delay in the international portion (huge! portion) of the pie.

I'd also recommend on someone starting a petition ( a thread) on Apple's discussion boards just so that Apple's eyes can certainly see there is interest. And, contact mac centric sites to let them know that another petition is online. At the very least, an explaination for the lack of a global rollout for OSX centric services is needed and one should be made.

Furthermore, do contact your favorite Indy labels and tell them you want an online option for getting your singles. Yes buying directly from the label is still an option; but, getting those overlooked tracks that were on a seven inch might not be a priority. Well, now you can implore them that an extra outlet can be had in the iTunes store.

As an anecdote, I recall looking around for way too long for some Indy singles and, after too long, finally finding them. The mass inclusion of Indy labels will truly make this Internet delivery system a boon for people who like obscure stuff, are subject to impulse purchasing and just want a track or two. (and who don't want to chance that someone with your kooky interests is "sharing" what you are looking for has a copy "just for you".)
What are you waiting for? Go!

[dobbin]

I am totally in favour of anything that will speed up the introduction of the Music Store outside of the US. I signed the online petition when it was first set up.

However, I have now seen a few examples that show Apple is working on this. There is the French article that says it will be launched in May and the General Manager of Apple UK was on the radio here yesterday talking about it (see this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25735) )

So lets stop whinging about it and wait and see what happens. It *will* come I'm sure. This has just been the usual story of Apple not telling us very much, and us getting upset before we know the full story.

With regard to indie labels and bands not yet on the store, I think they'll all come in time. If this is the success that Apple hopes it will be (sales figures suggest it is already), then everyone will want to be a part of it and then Apple will have the upper hand in negotiations rather than the other way around. Prices may even drop, or more likely Apple will get a bigger share. Thats my guess anyway.

Cheers,
Dobbin

[BaghdadBob]

Originally posted by lmalave
Yeah, but maybe I want the remix that I wouldn't pay $5 to get on a CD Single, but would gladly pay just $1 for.

Right, but the extent to which this hurts the service is overrated.

If anything, I'm going to say the lack of indies accounts for more financial loss than the lack of Stones, Beatles, and Madonna combined, because this is the music many are looking for and can't yet find, where fans of the latter largely own what they want because it's so easy to find and has been around for so long.

[dstorey]

I'm glad indies like Matador have taken notice...Some of my fav bands of the last few years are on their label...well in the usa anyway, most are on different labels here. I'd love to see Jon Spencer, B&S and Interpol out on AIMS. I'd also like to see sympathy for the music industy label as well. I'm not really suprised to see the beatles missing....they never pop up on complation cds or whatever...I guess they either only want their songs to be realesed as whole albums or they are hard to deal with as they know they are the biggest band in the world and can ask whatever terms they want. As an idea, why dont the just buy Apple Records instead of universal....perfect name and removes the legal issues...plus they could premote a produce your own songs with logic/iTrax or whatever thing, upload to your .mac account and we will sell through pple records/AIMS with the users getting a small %age of each song sold...if apple doesnt sell many anyway it doesn't hurt them as they have the space already as it'd be on the .mac servers or whatever and are getting .mac revenues from each person that posts songs...ok I'm daydreaming but it would be cool.

[BaghdadBob]

Actually, that's a great idea. That would allow bands to deal more directly with iTMS to publish their music, where if Apple did that now it could be considered breach of contract because they would be acting sort of like a record label....hmmm...how much could Apple record be worth, anyway?

They'd still have to deal with consent issues with the Beatles themselves though.

[stuartmingay]

... you'll never see them. Their catalogs are worth fortunes. Remember the "event" when the first Beatles albums were available on CD? About 6-8 years after most other bands had been cut to CD.

Stu

[Stella]

If music companies delay in putting Beatles and other such music on music services like Apple, then they are only shotting themselves in the foot. People will continue to download these tracks off limewire etc, and thus no revenue to the relevent music companies. (Escpecially when all they want is their favourite tracks and not the entire album).

They have only themselves to blame. Of course they will continue to bitch and moan about how privacy is bankrupting them, without doing anything themselves - constructively - apart from sueing anything that remotely looks like a threat to them.

Originally pos
ted by stuartmingay
... you'll never see them. Their catalogs are worth fortunes. Remember the "event" when the first Beatles albums were available on CD? About 6-8 years after most other bands had been cut to CD.

Stu

[dongmin]

ok everyone's basically already said this but...

Matador's the bomb! I would spend sh**loads of money on the music store if this pans out.

Seriously, this is the kind of stuff that's hard to find on Kazaa and at the big retail stores. I often end up ordering this stuff on Amazon and then have to wait 1-2 weeks for it.

Get em on board, Apple, and take my money!

[julzmon]

Steve said there is going to be music updated everyday. I have not seen any evidence of that (yet). At least not in the Electronic section.
Has it updated anywhere else?

[Dave K]

Originally posted by Stella
If music companies delay in putting Beatles

If you want the Beatles on the system, you're gonna have to scream at good ol' Micheal Jackson.

He owns the rights for what I believe is the entire catalog, much to the annoyance of a certain ex-Beatle he outbid.

[Wry Cooter]

Originally posted by julzmon
Steve said there is going to be music updated everyday. I have not seen any evidence of that (yet). At least not in the Electronic section.
Has it updated anywhere else?

They should have an (exhaustive) list of new uploads (as opposed to their new releases section, which hasn't changed as yet) so we can link to what is newly available.

[phrancpharmD]

Originally posted by Dave K
If you want the Beatles on the system, you're gonna have to scream at good ol' Micheal Jackson.

He owns the rights for what I believe is the entire catalog, much to the annoyance of a certain ex-Beatle he outbid.

thanks daveK, looks like you beat me to it. circa "ebony and ivory" MJ sought the advice of PM - suffice it to say that PM had no idea that MJ was working on acquiring/extorting the ENTIRE Beatles catalogue. hence the use of extraordinary Beatles tracks remade on cheesey commercials, and the ensuing enmity between Jackson and McCartney. Although, one could argue that material from artists as groundbreaking as the Beatles (or Elvis, for that matter) should be put into the public domain for the impact on our popular culture regardless of whether you actually like the stuff. . .

OH YEAH, almost forgot - I can't remember the last time I purchased any record/CD from a major label; Indie / College rock is the WAY TO GO and including KRS, beggars, where are my, rubric, def jux, 4AD, spinart, etc etc would get me to finally purchase online music. . .

[Ambrose Chapel]

I too want to see the international record companies sign on, because I want everyone to get access to the store, but also for selfish reasons...

b-sides!!!

Since there is no singles market in the US to speak of, if I want, say, the Radiohead track Talk Show Host, I have to buy an import CD-Single from the UK or Japan which will cost at least 20 dollars for only 3 songs (one of which I'll already have from the album). Much as I love these bands and want to support them with my US$s, I can't justify paying 10 bucks per song, and I'll get them from other places..

Before the rise of p2p, I saw a bootleg CD containing over 20 Radiohead B-sides for $20. I emailed the band's merch people and asked if they planned to release these songs in the US. They told me I might as well get the bootleg.

If the international labels sign on and allow their content to be purchased in the US, it would be great for completists like me, and they would increase their own revenues.

And yes, like a lot of people here I want to see the Indies get on board soon (and I have been giving feedback to the Store). So far, nothing on my wanted music list is available)

:(

[Nepenthe]

I dunno, I don't plan to set my virtual feet into the Apple music store, just like I don't plan to set my physical feet into a Sam Goody or Best Buy or anything like that to buy music. At least not until they get some of the music that I would listen to.
There honestly isn't ONE track available that I would buy (or listen to, although that steve martin stuff was pretty tempting. However, I don't feel like paying 99¢ for less than a minute of spoken word). Even Sam Goody offers VNV Nation, but not the Apple store yet (although I did find Front 242).

I trust that Apple will broaden the music store substantially, both in content and availability... (at least I hope). I think the current selection of songs is pathetic compared to the rare, hard to find tracks that are available "elsewhere." Most of the music I like needs to be imported from Europe and Israel, that gets expensive. I'd happily fork over the 99¢ if the Apple music store offered them.
No, I'm not a concieted "Only European music is good" music listener. I just preferr the Eastern flavor (I'm also very much into electronic stuff, esp. psy trance & dubs -not too much of that in the States on the "Big Five").

On a different note....
I am curious about the proccess involved in having the Music Store offer your tracks. Very curious. As a part of my audio degree, I am taking a "Music Business" course. Not only while taking this class do you start to realise how awful the music industry is, you also start thinking about the legal side behind everything. This Music Store has me , yet again, very curious.
Is it just a matter of saying "Yeah, heres the tracks and the contract -or whatever-." Or maybe it is a *little* more complex than that.

[LethalWolfe]

IMO Apple's music store launch was very impressive and I'm sure the selection will grow and indie labels will get picked up. Leading off w/the majors was the only way to go because that will get the most people to the store. If you disagree w/that yer being dellusional<sp?>. And I'm saying this as a person who will probably never see a broad selection (if any selection at all) of music I truly enjoy at the iTMS. Just like when you are advertising a show you spend 90% of yer time talkin' 'bout the headliner 'cause the headliner, not the opening act(s), is gonna get the most amount of people to the show.

As for it being US only right now. I completely understand the irritation being suffered by those living outside of the US but rights management at an international level has to be on of the biggest cluster ****s known to man. I used to work for CART (the racing series) as a shooter/editor and when ever I'd talk w/our Director of Operations and try to understand CART's TV contracts and broadcasts rights I'd always get totally lost in about 10 minutes 'cause there are so many "if's, and's, & but's" invovled it's absolutely insane. I hope that Apple can work thru these hurrdles in a reasonable amount of time. Unfortunetly the easy of this accomplishment is more up to the labels/copyright owners and their lawyers than it is up to Apple.


Lethal

[kreiggers]

two points:

Apple Records is owned by the Big Five (EMI I believe)

the rights to the Beatles catalog was bought by Michael Jackson several years ago, so you're not really dealing with the Beatles anymore - So you better believe that crazy freakin alien is just in a tizzy that no one is frothing at the mouth about Micheal Jackson's catalogue being in the Apple Music Store

[Groovsonic]

Originally posted by Nepenthe
I dunno, I don't plan to set my virtual feet into the Apple music store, just like I don't plan to set my physical feet into a Sam Goody or Best Buy or anything like that to buy music. At least not until they get some of the music that I would listen to.
There honestly isn't ONE track available that I would buy (or listen to,


DISCLAIMER: Please don't misinterpret this as a personal attack, insult, or any sort of general meanness on my part. I am really don't wasnt to offend or annoy anyone.

Are you serious? There is not ONE song out of over 200,000 available that you would even listen to? Not even one? Really?

I have friends that don't like "pop" music, and hate mainstream radio. I think it must be force of will or some sense of pride or something that would make you not be able to find ANY music from any major label. It would seem that you would have to be trying to not like anything not "underground". Is is a superiority thing? Sorry if I have sounded antagonistic, I really would like to know.

[MetallicPenguin]

I found a couple of songs I don't usually listen to, but I guess that is the point really, I don't want to ahve to listen to the same 5 songs over and over. I found some System of A Down, so thats a start, but I have been bugging the request and feedback people about some Metallica (almost threatened to not use the service), but oh well I got my Neil Diamond and Goo Goo Dolls to keep me happy.

[BaghdadBob]

Originally posted by Wry Cooter
They should have an (exhaustive) list of new uploads (as opposed to their new releases section, which hasn't changed as yet) so we can link to what is newly available.

New releases is not the same as newly uploaded, a new release would be new period. I believe the term in the store is "newly added" and yes, there is a section in each catagory's front page for this, at least the ones that have newly added material. I have already seen stuff that wasn't there before. Be patient...

BTW, I think it's cool they have a very simple Nirvana banner at the top of their alternative section. Appropriate.

[BaghdadBob]

Originally posted by Groovsonic
I have friends that don't like "pop" music, and hate mainstream radio. I think it must be force of will or some sense of pride or something that would make you not be able to find ANY music from any major label. It would seem that you would have to be trying to not like anything not "underground". Is is a superiority thing? Sorry if I have sounded antagonistic, I really would like to know.

Well, I think there is a certain, sort of "boycott" sensibilty to this, in some people.

People used to call NIN "industrial", until a bunch of people got their nickers in a twist because "NO, dude, INDUSTRIAL is UNDERGROUND."

Well who gives a crap? Are you going to tell me that NIN is a puppet band for their parent label? Or are you saying that something that is underground is automatically better? I challenge anyone to prove this.

Is Rage Against the Machine not worth listening to because they have major corporate backing? Is their music less talented or their message more diluted? If so, what kind of guerilla revolutionary terrorist group do you come from that makes them seem mild?

And Tool...Tool is arguably the biggest band in the world (when they choose to pop their head out)...if you don't believe me tell me how many music magazine covers they weren't on when Lateralus came out. Go find out how many hours it took for them to sell out Madison Square Garden. And how many extra dates they had to make to appease the european audience.

Are you gonna tell me Tool isn't worth listening to because they're not on an indie label?

Look, for you indie purists, I understand where you're coming from, and I am looking forward to being able to check out more indie bands on this service, I have said this from the very beginning. But if you shut out anything that is under the Big 5, you're not really hurting them, because your dollars pale in comparison to what they make in general, and the sam goes to the artist.

You're only hurting yourself, and missing out on some great music.

My $1.50 (adjusted for length)

[Dj Kioto]

ugh.... what about labels like Astralwerks, they are a UK label, AND they are "independent" in comparison to universal.... how long would it be until THEY are added to the service...

I know they woudl have alot of music we would look for in the states, Chemical Brothers, Fatboy Slim, Basement Jaxx, Beta band, Dimitri of paris, motorbass, photek, placebo I know they have distrobution rights with virgin, there's a little bit of beth orton on the store and a tad of he others, but there is so much more

please let me know if anything I jsut said was inacurate, I kinda ranted...

anyone heard of yatsura?... scottish "punk" band, I'd liek to see them on the store...

look em up on kazaa or limewire, or morpheus... heh JUST KIDDING ;)

[TheMightyG]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Macrumors



Matador Records (http://www.matadorrecords.com/) is home to bands such as The New Pornographers, Yo La Tengo, Pavement, and many others.

QUOTE]

The New Pornographers rock. Their debut album Mass Romantic was considered one of the top indie albums of 2000. Check them out (with free mp3 samples):

at Mint Records (http://www.thenewpornographers.com/bands/index.html) and at
Matador Records (http://www.matadorrecords.com/the_new_pornographers/)

Hopefully their new album (due in May) will be released onto the ITMS!!!!

[iSmell]

And Neko Case is way ahead in playboy.com's hottest girls of indie rock poll. Too bad they got such a crappy picture of Cat Power.

Matador would be a good start for the store, but I hope they just make it really easy for any label to sell their stuff on their. Maybe not quite as easy as mp3.com, because there was a lot of garbage on there (probably still is, haven't been there in a while), but easy enough that if it's not on their, it's the label's fault for not trying.









your favorite band sucks

[mrwilly123]

Originally posted by phrancpharmD
thanks daveK, looks like you beat me to it. circa "ebony and ivory" MJ sought the advice of PM - suffice it to say that PM had no idea that MJ was working on acquiring/extorting the ENTIRE Beatles catalogue. hence the use of extraordinary Beatles tracks remade on cheesey commercials, and the ensuing enmity between Jackson and McCartney. Although, one could argue that material from artists as groundbreaking as the Beatles (or Elvis, for that matter) should be put into the public domain for the impact on our popular culture regardless of whether you actually like the stuff. . .

OH YEAH, almost forgot - I can't remember the last time I purchased any record/CD from a major label; Indie / College rock is the WAY TO GO and including KRS, beggars, where are my, rubric, def jux, 4AD, spinart, etc etc would get me to finally purchase online music. . .

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