WoW Patch 2.0.1 = Yay!

[applemacdude]

Mac

* Added support for Multi-Threaded OpenGL on Intel Macs running OS X 10.4.8 or higher. Depending on hardware, scene and graphical settings, this can raise frame rates up to a factor of 2X.
* Improved video hardware detection and default settings, especially with Intel video.
* Vertex Animation Shaders have been disabled for systems with Intel video.
* Improved iTunes key-binding feature for smoothness and track name display.
* Fixed a bug where Tutorial Tips would not be marked as viewed correctly on PowerPC Macs.
* Fixed a rare crash bug in the audio code.
* Improved support for Weather Shaders.
* Added support for changing the mouse sensitivity in WoW. Previously, the Mac version ignored the value from the slider in the Interface Options dialog.

:]

[bobber205]

We know. ;)

Have you tried playing WoW on an Intel machine....? Is it better?

[applemacdude]

macbook = much much much better framerates.. .from like 1-20 to like 25-32

macbook pro = ususal 60fps to like 80 fps...

tried bringing up all the options and well.. it runs pretty darn snappy

[bobber205]

Whoot! I'm so excited!!

Now I won't have to reboot anymore! :D

[fall3n]

anyone tried it on their iMac 24" yet?

The new arena battles look like super fun. http://worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/arena/index.xml

[levitynyc]

anyone tried it on their iMac 24" yet?

The new arena battles look like super fun. http://worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/arena/index.xml

I am downloading it now on my 24" imac

What is Multi-Threaded OpenGL?

[bobber205]

It uses both processors to get best results.
OP how much ram do you have?

[NYmacAttack]

macbook = much much much better framerates.. .from like 1-20 to like 25-32

macbook pro = ususal 60fps to like 80 fps...

tried bringing up all the options and well.. it runs pretty darn snappy

How did u get on the servers are still down?:confused:

[bobber205]

The severs are down? They shouldn't be are they?:eek:

[NYmacAttack]

The severs are down? They shouldn't be are they?:eek:

Yea they say there now down until 7PM PST

[levitynyc]

Yea they say there now down until 7PM PST

The dload is taking forever....originally estimate 1hour and now 40 minutes in, it say 3 hours

[bobber205]

I like how the main site is down... ;)

I got up to 650k a second on the inital patch download when you do a fresh install! Holy moley batman!

[applemacdude]

well i got in.. no wonder i didnt see anyone on!

lol

but those are the rates i got before i was kicked off

[bobber205]

OMG!

I cannot believe the improvement the new patch has made. :eek:

My count says 10 - 12 fps all the time, like it did before the patch is OS X. But I'm getting a good 30 consistently, even when going into a new city.

And this is with 512 ram....

*drools* Go Blizzard!

[NYmacAttack]

Wow this patch is full of bugs. I've been kicked off a good five times already. :mad: :mad:

[bobber205]

Wow this patch is full of bugs. I've been kicked off a good five times already. :mad: :mad:

I haven't. I think some servers are more stable than others.

Demon Soul seems to be good. Which are you on? Are you kicked off when it goes down?

[Mackilroy]

I'm on Shadow Council and it seems to be working well. I get much improved frame rates inside of cities – before they'd seem a little jerky to me but now they're smooth. :)

[Jovian9]

BAD:
This took me 3 hours to download with cable internet. I've been kicked off 3X. My add-ons do not work with this update.

Good:
Some of the new spells with my lvl 60 priest are nice. The looking for group area is better now. They have added a bag to your bank.
And maybe I'm just seeing things, but on my G5 iMac with 1.5GB RAM 128MB video card the game looks better, sharper, and spells look alot better when being cast (but no noticeable increase on FPS).

I'm currently downloading this on my MacBook (512MB RAM) so we'll see how it does on that. I was getting horrible FPS on that before.

[bobber205]

The FPS on your macbook should be glorious once again. ;) Or maybe just for the first time anyway.

I would say OS X and XP are equal now. Bye bye XP partion. :D

My druid's spells are more detailed...

[NYmacAttack]

I haven't. I think some servers are more stable than others.

Demon Soul seems to be good. Which are you on? Are you kicked off when it goes down?

I'm on Runetotem. Seems to be better now. Hope they work the issues out.

[Transeau]

OMFG! :)

Check it!

http://www.elliejean.com/djoyce/ScreenShot_120606_014433.jpeg

I jumped another 30fsp!

150 Baby! 130~175 indoors and 70~110 outdoors

[hakala01]

BAD:
This took me 3 hours to download with cable internet. I've been kicked off 3X. My add-ons do not work with this update.

Good:
Some of the new spells with my lvl 60 priest are nice. The looking for group area is better now. They have added a bag to your bank.
And maybe I'm just seeing things, but on my G5 iMac with 1.5GB RAM 128MB video card the game looks better, sharper, and spells look alot better when being cast (but no noticeable increase on FPS).

I'm currently downloading this on my MacBook (512MB RAM) so we'll see how it does on that. I was getting horrible FPS on that before.

What add-ons were you using? I pretty much use my old Dell as a dedicated WoW machine, 'cause of all the add-on options (Titan, Auctioneer, CTmods, etc.). I would love to get back to playing WoW on my G5 iMac.

[Kiscokid]

I am currently playing WOW on my 24" iMac (nvidia 7600 256mb) 2 gig ram

I have all settings maxed out and at highest resolution widescreen. I have only had a quick session in the cemetry in Duskwood.....I was amazed at the clarity and was getting a steady framerate of 30fps +

[dan-o-mac]

It uses both processors to get best results.
OP how much ram do you have?

Are both processors already being taken advantaged of on the windows side, or is there even more room for improvement on windows?

[bobber205]

The OpenGL graphics code was improved. XP uses DirectX.

[dan-o-mac]

The OpenGL graphics code was improved. XP uses DirectX.

I know. I was wondering if DirectX already takes advantage of both processors or is there still room for improvement on Windows.

[QCassidy352]

OMFG! :)

Check it!

http://www.elliejean.com/djoyce/ScreenShot_120606_014433.jpeg

I jumped another 30fsp!

150 Baby! 130~175 indoors and 70~110 outdoors

which of your computers is that on? The Mac Pro, I'm guessing?

[Sutekidane]

My performance is about the same as it has always been after this patch. 30fps, with all graphics settings max/except for draw-in, in windowed mode.

17" 1.83ghz iMac Core Duo. Radeon X1600 graphics 128mb. 1GB Ram. OS 10.4.8

[Jovian9]

What add-ons were you using? I pretty much use my old Dell as a dedicated WoW machine, 'cause of all the add-on options (Titan, Auctioneer, CTmods, etc.). I would love to get back to playing WoW on my G5 iMac.

I have an iMac G5 and a MacBook and use Cosmos, CTRaid, Ventrillo, and Decursive.

[Transeau]

which of your computers is that on? The Mac Pro, I'm guessing?

Yes, my Mac Pro, everything set to max

[cubist]

All mods are broken. There's an updated Atlas out.

It appears that Decursive is broken permanantly, there will never be a Decursive which works with WoW anymore.:(

[harveypooka]

BAD:
This took me 3 hours to download with cable internet. I've been kicked off 3X. My add-ons do not work with this update.


It's like this with most updates, no?

Can you re-choose your talents or not? I figured since they'd substantially changed them all, it was a maybe?

I cannot wait to see what kind of FPS improvements I'll get on my Intel iMac!

Someone said something interesting in our Guild, he was looking forward to TBC because he reckons most patches won't work at all - looking forward to the simplicity, away from CT_Raid, Decursive, ClickHeal and all that crap.

[fall3n]

What add-ons were you using? I pretty much use my old Dell as a dedicated WoW machine, 'cause of all the add-on options (Titan, Auctioneer, CTmods, etc.). I would love to get back to playing WoW on my G5 iMac.

Just so you know, Mods are not platform dependent. They can be used on both Mac and PC because they use XML.

[rbarris]

I know. I was wondering if DirectX already takes advantage of both processors or is there still room for improvement on Windows.

It's an excellent question. Is the game not running quickly enough on Windows for you?

What type of system(s) do you have ?

[miniConvert]

Grr, Blizzard, give me Eonar back! :( I want to see what all the fuss is about!

WoW was insanely great on the Mac Pro with 30" ACD (full res, full detail) anyway so I guess any improvement in framerates wont affect my gameplay that much - but I didn't like the idea that Windows users would have had higher framerates still.

[shortyjj]

Grr, Blizzard, give me Eonar back! :( I want to see what all the fuss is about!


Can you still not log onto Eonar? /sigh

[killmoms]

Decursive has been killed permanently?

Glad I got out when I did. :D That makes end-game raiding much more painful.

/me loved spamming Decursive on nasty de-buff fights

[dan-o-mac]

It's an excellent question. Is the game not running quickly enough on Windows for you?

What type of system(s) do you have ?

I have a MacBook w/ 1 GB ram. WoW runs great on the Windows side, I just wanted to know if there's room for improvement. I would love to set my terrain distance up a notch or two without my frames dropping to the low teens. It would be nice to see the actual "World in Warcraft. :D

[Mr B]

What add-ons were you using? I pretty much use my old Dell as a dedicated WoW machine, 'cause of all the add-on options (Titan, Auctioneer, CTmods, etc.). I would love to get back to playing WoW on my G5 iMac.

You can use all those addons listed on your mac. In fact, i have yet to find an addon I can't use. Of course, new patch days screw them up for a bit :P

[dan-o-mac]

You can use all those addons listed on your mac. In fact, i have yet to find an addon I can't use. Of course, new patch days screw them up for a bit :P

I think he meant that using all the add-ons probably made playing on his iMac unplayable.

[wyrmintheapple]

Just... just... MENTAL!!!

Such a boost on my MacBook. I play in a low res (but still widescreen) 1024x640 I think. It went from "acceptable" to "nice and smooth"!!!!

[davidmt]

I am currently playing WOW on my 24" iMac (nvidia 7600 256mb) 2 gig ram

I have all settings maxed out and at highest resolution widescreen. I have only had a quick session in the cemetry in Duskwood.....I was amazed at the clarity and was getting a steady framerate of 30fps +


I have the same setup as you and I'm not seeing any improvement. I have always got good framerates at highest resolution, but I only use 1X oversampling and turn off the "glowing effects". That keeps me in the 50-60fps range outside (I do get very good frame rates inside buildings, however). Bumping up the oversampling and turning on the graphical effects is choppy when moving around.

You are playing in full-screen mode, correct? Is there anything else I should consider? Is there anything within OSX that I should enable?

[rbarris]

I have the same setup as you and I'm not seeing any improvement. I have always got good framerates at highest resolution, but I only use 1X oversampling and turn off the "glowing effects". That keeps me in the 50-60fps range outside (I do get very good frame rates inside buildings, however). Bumping up the oversampling and turning on the graphical effects is choppy when moving around.

You are playing in full-screen mode, correct? Is there anything else I should consider? Is there anything within OSX that I should enable?

You may simply be up against the GPU limit (do you have vsync on? ... never benchmark with vsync on).

MTGL will help more with heavily crowded scenes where the CPU load goes up a lot. There are plenty of possible scenes where the CPU load is not an issue and MTGL does not make for a change in FPS. It's basically tuned for places like raids and Ironforge crowd scenes..

[HiRez]

And maybe I'm just seeing things, but on my G5 iMac with 1.5GB RAM 128MB video card the game looks better, sharper, and spells look alot better when being cast (but no noticeable increase on FPS).Yeah, the spell casting effects definitely got some enhancements. I noticed a difference with Smite in particular, but I think a bunch of them got some upgrades (you might have to have the spell effects quality setting set to high to see these).

[Curren~Sea]

I have a new MBP 15 with 256. I turned all the video settings to the max and it's smooth as silk and beautiful. Nice work, Bliz.

[lmalave]

Framerates, plz.

I think us MacBook owners (and I guess Mac mini too) are the most affected by this. I saw a poster above said 25-32 fps. Is that average, or is that the "outdoor" number. I'm assuming that's average for outdoor. That would be awesome!!!

This is what I'm currently getting on my lil' MacBook with video settings all set to default:

15 fps outdoor and about
30 fps indoor
10 fps "worst-case" (in certain areas or combat situations)

So can I expect those numbers to improve to this???:

25-30 fps outdoors
50-60 fps indoors
15-20 "worst-case"

THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!!!! I mean, jeez, movies are filmed at 24 fps.

[SilentCrs]

Just to chime in: the performance is substantially better. I purchased a MacBook Pro C2D a month ago (the second configuration) and was fully expecting to need BootCamp in order to get good framerates. I was shocked to already have solid framerates, and when this patch rolled around they pretty much pinned to 60 in many areas of the game (I have vsync on).

Blizzard is one of the few companies that really, actively supports the Mac as a gaming platform outside casual gaming companies. The fact that they're willing to take the time to squeeze more performance out of the Mac client, that they have a dedicated team on Wow devoted to the platform and reading bug/performance reports (which I submitted) shows an excellent commitment.

[MacsRgr8]

Anyone tried it on a PPC Mac?

Especially Dual PPC (G5) owners....

Once rewritten, any Intel Mac with a Core Duo or Core 2 Duo would see benefits. It does not appear that multi-processor PowerPC Macs are supported.

= :( for us Dual (Dual) PPC owners....?

[Ayre]

Hell, even I've noticed a framerate boost. I'm on 1.67 GHz PowerBook G4, and now I hit 45 fps outside, and hover around 20-25 fps in cities, which is AMAZING. Use to get about 20-25 fps outside, and 10 fps in cities.

[bobber205]

Just to chime in: the performance is substantially better. I purchased a MacBook Pro C2D a month ago (the second configuration) and was fully expecting to need BootCamp in order to get good framerates. I was shocked to already have solid framerates, and when this patch rolled around they pretty much pinned to 60 in many areas of the game (I have vsync on).

Blizzard is one of the few companies that really, actively supports the Mac as a gaming platform outside casual gaming companies. The fact that they're willing to take the time to squeeze more performance out of the Mac client, that they have a dedicated team on Wow devoted to the platform and reading bug/performance reports (which I submitted) shows an excellent commitment.

What's this vsync? :)

[DarkSorrow]

Yeah, the spell casting effects definitely got some enhancements. I noticed a difference with Smite in particular, but I think a bunch of them got some upgrades (you might have to have the spell effects quality setting set to high to see these).

i noticed some changes with spells effects.

I have 46 Undead Warlock, and noticed a improvement on Corruption spell, it change the effect, i think it is Corruption spell. im not sure but i do know it from my DOT have that effect changed. and it look great

I set soome setting low. but until this patch, i noticed a HUGE improvement. im on my MacBook Pro, Intel, 1GB RAM, ATI Radeon 128MB, OSX 10.4.8. I havent check the frame rate but i do noticed some improvement, so tonight i will max out the setting and see what happen

[markjones05]

This patch doubled my outdoor framerate from a constant 30 to a constant 60 fps. As well as added weather effects and i can actually see blood when i hit things, i didnt een know that was in the game! Not to mention how nice they were to hunters this go around. Thank you Blizzard :)

btw: Running on dual 3ghz intel core2 duo, 4gig ram, ati radeon x1900, 2560x1600 resolution everything maxed.

[shawnce]

Anyone tried it on a PPC Mac?

Especially Dual PPC (G5) owners....

= :( for us Dual (Dual) PPC owners....?

Apple isn't supporting the multithread OpenGL render on PowerPC systems at this time (doesn't exist as an option on those systems). It is only available on Intel systems when running Mac OS X 10.4.8.

[racebit]

woa, this suckah runs so much smoother now. Multithreaded opengl..nice:cool:

[shawnce]

What's this vsync? :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vsync

[shawnce]

Users should be aware that games need to be rewritten to specifically support Multithreaded OpenGL to see the benefits. Rewritten is too strong of word.

Many games will see a minor benefit by simply enabling the multi-thtreaded render however you wont see major improvements without making some amount of changes to the game (but usually something far less then a "rewrite"). Of course some games will need major changes (closer to a rewrite) to see much of a benefit. Finally some games will see no benefit from this no matter what they do.

Additionally you will only see a benefit on multi-core systems (Intel only currently) and only if the game is generally more CPU bound then GPU bound.

Note the game author could choose to leverage the multi-threaded render to allow them to implement more realistic game physics and AI instead of using it to boost the frame rates.

[WM.]

Apple isn't supporting the multithread OpenGL render on PowerPC systems at this time (doesn't exist as an option on those systems). It is only available on Intel systems when running Mac OS X 10.4.8.

Yes. However, it should be available on PPC in Leopard. Apple lists it as a feature on the Developer Overview page and doesn't say anything about it being limited to Intel.

[shawnce]

Yes. However, it should be available on PPC in Leopard. Apple lists it as a feature on the Developer Overview page and doesn't say anything about it being limited to Intel.

I did say "at this time". In general what is available in 10.4.8 is, in my opinion, more proof of concept then a final implementation. It allows game developer to test with it in real world situations and allows Apple to get feedback on how well it works under those same situations.

[rbarris]

I did say "at this time". In general what is available in 10.4.8 is, in my opinion, more proof of concept then a final implementation. It allows game developer to test with it in real world situations and allows Apple to get feedback on how well it works under those same situations.

Is any modern software product ever "final" ?

I'm curious which issues you may have run into with it.

[jmbear]

After a year and a half of playing, I quit. Why does MacRumors want me to go back :(

[appleguru1]

I'm downloading the entire game from blizzard now, just to check it out (Free 10 day trial ;))

Never played before; I think I might just have to start :D

I have a c2d 15" MBP @ 2.33GHz w/ 2GB ram btw.

[scem0]

eek, how dare macrumors tempt me to play this game again. It's not a healthy temptation.

e

[bobber205]

Double dog dare! :eek:

Wow Roxs!!!!!

[QCassidy352]

After a year and a half of playing, I quit. Why does MacRumors want me to go back :(

I quit a year and a half ago... yet I keep finding myself strangly drawn to these WoW threads. :o

Hell, even I've noticed a framerate boost. I'm on 1.67 GHz PowerBook G4, and now I hit 45 fps outside, and hover around 20-25 fps in cities, which is AMAZING. Use to get about 20-25 fps outside, and 10 fps in cities.

well, that certainly is strange, given that you have a single proc. PPC mac... :confused:

[fall3n]

i started playing again a month ago after having quit for a year. It always bring you back...always.

[Teddy's]

Meh
Why is this on first page?

[dollystereo]

I quit some months ago, I couldnt study and play, and now with this upgrade, and my summer vacations, I WILL HAVE TO COME BACK!!!!, NONONONO.

[jholzner]

Meh
Why is this on first page?

Well, considering there are already 68 or more comments I guess people are interested. Even if you don't play WoW it does give you a good real-world idea of the improvements of the mulitthreaded OpenGL. If you aren't interested why bother posting?

[trin]

I'm seeing a nice boost in performance here. I have not checked actual frame rates, but just the cpu util alone has gone down. Before the patch, i was seeing 40-70% util on both cores. This would cause my fans to "take off" and the fans would be fairly constant..

After the patch i'm seeing 20-40% util on both cores.. so its definitely improved and runs great imho. Blizzard rocks.


MBP 15", C2D, 2.33ghz, 2g ram / imac 20" G5 / P4 pc.

[fall3n]

Meh
Why is this on first page?

because people ARE interested in this stuff. Meh. Why are you even posting?

[levitynyc]

How do you check framerates?

[Demon Hunter]

Yeah, the spell casting effects definitely got some enhancements. I noticed a difference with Smite in particular, but I think a bunch of them got some upgrades (you might have to have the spell effects quality setting set to high to see these).

Are you sure it's not from the increased FPS? I haven't noticed anything different about Smite...

[dan-o-mac]

How do you check framerates?

ctrl-R

[rbarris]

I quit a year and a half ago... yet I keep finding myself strangly drawn to these WoW threads. :o



well, that certainly is strange, given that you have a single proc. PPC mac... :confused:

We did some other stuff too. The 3D model format is much more compact in RAM now, which can yield savings on machines with slower memory buses or smaller caches.

[steelfist]

I just don't get it. WHY is 1/3 of the rating negatives?

[eXan]

aaa all you wow losers

lol the funniest post on this thread :D

BTW I didnt see any improvement with this patch. Maybe because I'm on single-CPU PPC iMac and dont play wOw? ;)

[appleguru1]

So uhh.. how do I play? I don't like this game.. looks pretty but... :/

[Aldyn]

i thought this fixed the problem with not being able to turn on antialiasing (multisampling) AND the glow at the same time, but after the patch it still doesn't let me apply both simultaneously

[Rocketman]

I did say "at this time". In general what is available in 10.4.8 is, in my opinion, more proof of concept then a final implementation. It allows game developer to test with it in real world situations and allows Apple to get feedback on how well it works under those same situations.

It seems they have received just a bit of feedback in this thread.

Rocketman

[phytonix]

Nice. On my 24" iMac with 7600 GT
I have about 50-70 fps in UC.
And about 45 fps in TB.

With basically everything maxed out, including 4X antialias.

[Transeau]

So uhh.. how do I play? I don't like this game.. looks pretty but... :/

You know - I've only been playing WoW for 4 days. I installed it and signed up for the Free Trial so I could see what my Mac Pro could do.

Now I'm hooked. I'm a level 9 Priest already. I'm scared that I'm going to get totally sucked it!

and yes, it's SOOO pretty!

[rand0m3r]

is there any way to play this game without a credit card?

[jimN]

I just don't get it. WHY is 1/3 of the rating negatives?

I think that it may be the lack of implememtation for dual core ppc chips.

[Bonte]

is there any way to play this game without a credit card?

Just use prepaid gamecards in a game shop but i strongly advise you not to play it, to addictive. :(

[Cedd]

You know - I've only been playing WoW for 4 days. I installed it and signed up for the Free Trial so I could see what my Mac Pro could do.

Now I'm hooked. I'm a level 9 Priest already. I'm scared that I'm going to get totally sucked it!

and yes, it's SOOO pretty!

I started a week or so ago and now have a level 11 priest. It is very addictive and is very playable on a Macbook!

:)

[aLoC]

So... it seems this faster OpenGL is disabled unless the individual programs switch it on. Anyone know a way to make it on by default?

Because my understand is that it is that it is a change to the way the underlying engine is implemented, not an API change, so it should be possible to turn it on by default.

[eXan]

So... it seems this faster OpenGL is disabled unless the individual programs switch it on. Anyone know a way to make it on by default?

Because my understand is that it is that it is a change to the way the underlying engine is implemented, not an API change, so it should be possible to turn it on by default.

Apps have to be rewritten to fully take advantage of it.

[shortyjj]

I haven't enabled anything since patch (and maybe because all mods are still disabled) but the game seems to be running even smoother than before on my PowerBook.

[baylormac]

MacBook Pro Core Duo 2.0 GHz (first gen)
7200 rpm drive
256 MB card
2 GB RAM

Running World of Warcraft at:
1680x1050 (external 20")
all settings to full
ALL settings to FULL!!!

I get about 55-60 fps all the time. In Ironforge, AB,AV, WSG...

everywhere.

This is about 20 more fps than I was getting before and I had the settings turned down.

Wow. :D

[Gasu E.]

So uhh.. how do I play? I don't like this game.. looks pretty but... :/

What is your status?

[ewinemiller]

MacBook Pro Core Duo 2.0 GHz (first gen)
7200 rpm drive
256 MB card
2 GB RAM

Running World of Warcraft at:
1680x1050 (external 20")
all settings to full
ALL settings to FULL!!!

I get about 55-60 fps all the time. In Ironforge, AB,AV, WSG...

everywhere.

This is about 20 more fps than I was getting before and I had the settings turned down.

Wow. :D

I have the same machine and don't see a difference at all. Does anyone know if the /console GLFaster <0|1|2> still control it? I tried switching from one to the other and saw no difference in framerate standing on the bridge in ironforge looking at the bank. I still sit about 40-45 frames inside and 20s outside.

[HiRez]

Are you sure it's not from the increased FPS? I haven't noticed anything different about Smite...On further inspection it looks like what I was seeing was an enhanced effect from my wand (Ivory Wand of the Whale). It now does an effect when it fires that looks almost just like Smite, where before there was no effect.

[MrFirework]

Holy crap! Am I the only one who doesn't get how anyone has the time to play a game like WoW? I can get in 1 or 2 games of Blitz the League or Madden, but my lord! Where do people find the time for these behemoths like WoW?

[lewion]

Holy crap! Am I the only one who doesn't get how anyone has the time to play a game like WoW? I can get in 1 or 2 games of Blitz the League or Madden, but my lord! Where do people find the time for these behemoths like WoW?

answer: they don't...
they just take time they use to work and to make school stuff etc, for gaming needs because they're sucked in, like me in runescape (yeh i'm sucked in! 39 runecrafting and going on to 50! :p ) anywayz its examinations now so i slap myself in the face and say NOW STUDY!, that kinda works sometimes :)

[sososowhat]

I've

[sososowhat]

I've never played WOW but am tempted to give it a try.

Would you recommend installing on my iMac G5 (20", 1.8 Ghz, first gen, 2 Gig) or MacBook (1.83 2 Gig, 23" ACD)?

[CDailey]

So whats with this whole iTunes control thing? On my Windows machine, I used to run Winamp in the background and alt+tab out of the game if I wanted to change the song etc, but I can't do that in OSX. How can I control iTunes from within the game?

[fall3n]

You know - I've only been playing WoW for 4 days. I installed it and signed up for the Free Trial so I could see what my Mac Pro could do.

Now I'm hooked. I'm a level 9 Priest already. I'm scared that I'm going to get totally sucked it!

and yes, it's SOOO pretty!

I started a week or so ago and now have a level 11 priest. It is very addictive and is very playable on a Macbook!

:)

Thus why they have 7+ million users and growing. Consider your social life dead. ;)

[Philgr]

How do i tell what my FPS is in the game ?

These are my settings for WOW

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c141/philgr/Misc%20Piccys/WOW-GFX.jpg

Do i have them set right for my machine ?

I have a iMac 20'' C2D 2.33GHz 2 Gig Ram, 256 Meg GFx

[fall3n]

So whats with this whole iTunes control thing? On my Windows machine, I used to run Winamp in the background and alt+tab out of the game if I wanted to change the song etc, but I can't do that in OSX. How can I control iTunes from within the game?

Well if you have an remote you can just download iRemote and setup the keys in the game....i'm not sure about what they have setup built in....and you can always just CMD + M (kind of like alt tab, but better)

[CDailey]

Thanks for the reply. I never knew about cmd+m. Thanks! :D

How do i tell what my FPS is in the game ?

These are my settings for WOW


Do i have them set right for my machine ?

I have a iMac 20'' C2D 2.33GHz 2 Gig Ram, 256 Meg GFx


Those settings are fine. Actually, you could probably turn "level of detail" off and turn on "Enable all shader effects." To see your FPS, use ctrl+r.

[lmalave]

How do i tell what my FPS is in the game ?


Just hit ctrl-R when you're in the game. You'll see the framerate as a small number at the bottom of the screen.

[craigverse]

So whats with this whole iTunes control thing? On my Windows machine, I used to run Winamp in the background and alt+tab out of the game if I wanted to change the song etc, but I can't do that in OSX. How can I control iTunes from within the game?

You can set it from the options inside the game. Down at the bottom there is that picture of a computer, choose that. Under Key Bindings you can scroll WAY down the list to the bottom. From there you can set the keys you would like to use to control itunes. It's kind of neat. :)

[Philgr]

Thanks for the reply. I never knew about cmd+m. Thanks! :D




Those settings are fine. Actually, you could probably turn "level of detail" off and turn on "Enable all shader effects." To see your FPS, use ctrl+r.

Well i have checked my FPS and its only low 20's outside & 80-90 inside, shouldn't i be getting way more then this ?????

[shawnce]

Well i have checked my FPS and its only low 20's outside & 80-90 inside, shouldn't i be getting way more then this ????? No not likely. I bet you are primarily GPU bound now. If you want higher frame rates turn down Anisotropic filtering, enable level of detail, and lower terrain distance.

[bleachthru]

Leeroy Jenkins!!!

[Stike]

Still running crappy on my machine. Did I do something wrong, or did I miss a certain setting?

I have a MacBook C2D, 2 GHz and 1 GB RAM. The game runs about just as crappy as before. I have it connected to my 20" ACD (1650x1080) but the resolution doesnt make much. I played around with the settings, no great performance.

Still about 8-10 fps in Elwynn Forest, but at least its almost 20 in SW.

Any ideas?

[fall3n]

Still running crappy on my machine. Did I do something wrong, or did I miss a certain setting?

I have a MacBook C2D, 2 GHz and 1 GB RAM. The game runs about just as crappy as before. I have it connected to my 20" ACD (1650x1080) but the resolution doesnt make much. I played around with the settings, no great performance.

Still about 8-10 fps in Elwynn Forest, but at least its almost 20 in SW.

Any ideas?

The big FPS hitters are the details settings such as AA, AF, terrain distance, and weather detail. Play with those, but you should be fine...y not try disconnecting from your ADC and check how the fps is, perhaps there's something iffy there?

[Stike]

I believe I found the solution to my problem!

The game was stored on an external HDD (LaCie, with FW400) and ran from there. I copied it to the internal HDD and suddenly everything runs pretty fine! Outdoors 15 to 20, City around 20 and buildings even 30 :)

Runs much better now - by the way, those FPS (and my other post) were referring to almost minimum settings everywhere, aside the full resolution of the display.

Thanks Blizz! Some optimization will do even more! :D

[QCassidy352]

2 years later, watching the cinematic trailer still gives me chills.

[Stike]

Chills? hehe, that game simply rocks!

Another small comment: Resolution does matter quite a lot on the MacBook. Playing it on the internal screen, I get more FPS by far!

[QCassidy352]

Chills? hehe, that game simply rocks!

Another small comment: Resolution does matter quite a lot on the MacBook. Playing it on the internal screen, I get more FPS by far!

yea, it does rock. I only quit for personal reasons.

What fps are you seeing with the installation on the internal HD and using the macbook's own screen?

[shawnce]

Still running crappy on my machine. Did I do something wrong, or did I miss a certain setting?

I have a MacBook C2D, 2 GHz and 1 GB RAM. The game runs about just as crappy as before. I have it connected to my 20" ACD (1650x1080) but the resolution doesnt make much. I played around with the settings, no great performance.

Still about 8-10 fps in Elwynn Forest, but at least its almost 20 in SW.

Any ideas?

It is kinda amazing you are getting that good of FPS at that resolution given that the GMA 950 in your MacBook is generally low end 3D hardware and uses shared memory ... which is much slower then your typical on board VRAM. They appear to have improved GMA 950 detection and have scaled video quality accordingly.

[DavidERas]

Quick off topic ? I just started playing 2 weeks ago and was wondering if anyof you know how to use numlock for autorun on MBP C2D.

Thanx

[Stike]

Quick off topic ? I just started playing 2 weeks ago and was wondering if anyof you know how to use numlock for autorun on MBP C2D.

Thanx
Remap the key to some other key...

Oh, and please check your spelling. Yor w3lcom3 :rolleyes:

Edit: To reply to the poster above, the framerate is now absolutely acceptable and I can say that on the pretty much minimum settings, WoW runs as follows:
Outside: 18 to 23 fps
City (not much going on): 22 fps
Inside Buildings: 30+ fps

Edited again: This is the data for full screen on the built in screen resolution! Windowed mode runs quite faster than that, by the way.

Decently playable, I might say. My old computer before this MacBook C2D was a G4 933 MHz PowerMac with a Radeon 9800. Compared, the MacBook NOW beats this old setup, but only after this patch!

[supermacdesign]

I have no idea why anyone would pay for a subcription game. Warcraft blows chunks, borng, boring, boring.

Flame on!

[bobber205]

I have no idea why anyone would pay for a subcription game. Warcraft blows chunks, borng, boring, boring.

Flame on!

:rolleyes:

[sb58]

I have no idea why anyone would pay for a subcription game. Warcraft blows chunks, borng, boring, boring.

Flame on!
I had a sudden urge to call you Johnny.

[Mackilroy]

I have no idea why anyone would pay for a subcription game. Warcraft blows chunks, borng, boring, boring.

Flame on!
I have no idea why a person would post an intentionally idiotic message in a topic guaranteed to get a response unless they're in desperate need of attention because they feel unloved. :p

[isgoed]

For the developers in this thread:

Here is the technote on how to use the multithreaded engine:

http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2006/tn2085.html

[aLoC]

For the developers in this thread:

Here is the technote on how to use the multithreaded engine:

http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2006/tn2085.html

Thanks, looks like it's quite easy to turn on, even if getting full benefit requries minimizing use of certain OpenGL function calls. I hope companies like Aspyr will try switching it on in Doom 3, COD 2 etc, and if it makes a difference release a small patch.

[Papercut]

I started playing a two months ago; two weeks of my life disappeared just like that. I could justify the first week b/c I was sick and housebound, but after the second week I realized I had a problem. I was actually scared to what the game was doing to me. So I erased the game.

A few weeks later, I found a walk thru and I started playing again. Same thing happened, life stopped but the gold flowed in. So basically I relapsed. The game trains you like a lab rat, push some buttons and get a prize. Every once in a while you get a big prize. Then you add the social and economic aspect and this game is perfect storm of life sucking goodness.

I even added a Merom to my Mini to get better FPS (an engineering sample- I live in Taiwan so I got a good price, about half, hehe).

Good news- the Merom helps Office run better. Good news- I can have empathy for addicts. Bad news- No more WOW.

Cheers

[jmbear]

Please?

[corywoolf]

Anyone get Cosmos working again? I can't live without co-ordinates! :(

[bobber205]

Anyone get Cosmos working again? I can't live without co-ordinates! :(

Yeah! No kidding!

[Gasu E.]

"Users should be aware that games need to be rewritten to specifically support Multithreaded OpenGL to see the benefits. Once rewritten, any Intel Mac with a Core Duo, Core 2 Duo or Xeon processor would see benefits. It does not appear that multi-processor PowerPC Macs are supported at this time, but this support is expected with Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)"

Does anyone know if Multithreaded OpenGL for multi-processor PowerPC Macs is supported in the Leopard developer's previews?

[slackersonly]

For those looking for updated mods, check out this Linky (http://wow.tentonhammer.com/index.php?module=TTHUIRepository&func=search&ptxSearchText=)

I forget which one specifically has coordinates since I have almost all of these running but there is one there for those that cant wait on cosmos to be updated.

[sb58]

no addons are working atm.

[weldon]

Some addons are working. You just have to check to see if they have been updated or not.

[mjgunn]

Some addons are working. You just have to check to see if they have been updated or not.

Titan panel has coordinates amongst other stuff, and has a working version.

[weldon]

Titan panel has coordinates amongst other stuff, and has a working version.
I love Titan Panel. I can't live without it. Now I'm just waiting for Auctioneer and Gatherer to get updated.

[gropo]

I've experienced a good framerate increase on a Sawtooth MoBo, dual 1.2ghz upgrade, Radeon 9000. Dunno about this "PPC unsupported" business, suppose it could just be better default video settings, or perhaps generally streamlined code in the 2.0 patch...

Cosmos can be enabled using Alpha versions, check the 'Configure' button in the Cosmos GUI... Buggy as hell, but enables a few crucial addons until the mainstream release hits.

[rbarris]

I've experienced a good framerate increase on a Sawtooth MoBo, dual 1.2ghz upgrade, Radeon 9000. Dunno about this "PPC unsupported" business, suppose it could just be better default video settings, or perhaps generally streamlined code in the 2.0 patch...


The latter. About 200MB of the 2.0.1 patch is the re-compressed 3D models using a more optimized memory format. The benefits of that change apply to all systems. Presently there is no support for multithreaded OpenGL mode on PowerPC; but that is a separate issue.

[harveypooka]

The latter. About 200MB of the 2.0.1 patch is the re-compressed 3D models using a more optimized memory format. The benefits of that change apply to all systems. Presently there is no support for multithreaded OpenGL mode on PowerPC; but that is a separate issue.

We love you Blizzard. :)

[apb3]

This thread got me to finally buy this game after hearing about it for so long.

I know it'll be fine on my mac pro but out of my other "modern" machines (iBook 1.33 w/ 512MB ram, old 733 G4 w/ 1G ram and a new mini duo w/ 512MB) which would be best? I can't always play it on the mac pro as that is my "real" work machine...

Any tips on servers to use, where to get items/level quickly?

Thanks and sorry for the psuedo hijack of the thread.

[harveypooka]

Any tips on servers to use, where to get items/level quickly?

I play on Moonglade and am in a good guild called Primigenia. We don't RP at all, which is a bit odd for a...RP server! But hey! Items and leveling quickly? Well, if you want to rush to L60 you can follow one of numerous guides on the net and then either raid till your heart's content or grind till your heart's content and purchase stuff from the Auction House. But don't let leveling get in your way, play to have fun, not to level!

[apb3]

I play on Moonglade and am in a good guild called Primigenia. We don't RP at all, which is a bit odd for a...RP server! But hey! Items and leveling quickly? Well, if you want to rush to L60 you can follow one of numerous guides on the net and then either raid till your heart's content or grind till your heart's content and purchase stuff from the Auction House. But don't let leveling get in your way, play to have fun, not to level!

cool. never having played, I figured rising in level opened up more interesting items, things to do. No?

Supposedly the game is shipping today from amazon (I always use the macintouch link to help them out), so I'll have some first hand experience soon!

[shortyjj]

cool. never having played, I figured rising in level opened up more interesting items, things to do. No?


It does, but all of the content is meant to be enjoyed, anything you pass thru from level 1 to 60... you'll reach the end-game stuff eventually no matter what you do, so enjoy the trip. (the Deadmines, which you'll see probably around level 18, is still one of my favorite memories)

[sb58]

you only really see Deadmines if you play alliance. i have a 26 troll rogue on Gnomeregan, and i've never been to Deadmines. Well i have with other characters but not this one :D

[Demon Hunter]

The Deadmines... best part of the whole game! Well, so far. I love Westfall. :)

[gloss]

The Deadmines... best part of the whole game! Well, so far. I love Westfall. :)

Trust me, there's much cooler.

[Agent Smith]

Definitely much cooler. I don't know why, but I really like Duskwood, and I absolutely LOVE Azshara.

As for the new patch, I really don't like the LFG tool, especially since they've taken out the LFG channel. It should be a supplement, not a replacement. Try putting together a raid on Nathanos Blightcaller with it...:mad:

[bobber205]

Definitely much cooler. I don't know why, but I really like Duskwood, and I absolutely LOVE Azshara.

As for the new patch, I really don't like the LFG tool, especially since they've taken out the LFG channel. It should be a supplement, not a replacement. Try putting together a raid on Nathanos Blightcaller with it...:mad:



Can you still say LFG -- Deadmines?


I say that alot. ;) But to add to your post, I can never seem to find ANYONE doing something with the feature. It sucks... :mad:

[Gasu E.]

The Deadmines... best part of the whole game! Well, so far. I love Westfall. :)

You are in for a treat, my friend.

[fall3n]

Can you still say LFG -- Deadmines?


I say that alot. ;) But to add to your post, I can never seem to find ANYONE doing something with the feature. It sucks... :mad:

I never really used the old method, so I think this is great. Just a lack of use right now, but give it some time and i'll be rolling nicely. It would be great if they build a chat into it though.

[apb3]

Well it came in the mail today and will install when the kids and wife go to sleep. I'm still on Baghdad time so our schedules are a bit screwy. Which, in this case, is good because she would kill me knowing I got the game and will most likely be spending way too much time playing.

I have improved a lot (read" become less obsessed with gaming/cars/cp,[uters and gadgets in general - not an "improvement, " however, to me as I like it! more like maturity I supppose) though since before I deployed for the first time. When I got back from taliban land the first time, I don't think I even watched TV since I spent every moment with my kids and "making up for lost time" with the wife...:D

Off topic, but maybne you'ff get a laugh/insight into the pastr 4 years of my "life":

Turns out that enjoyable activity - boy am I GOOD! - resulted in the conception of my youngest son, Max, who was delivered during my second deployment to our second front in this war. I did get to see the whole thing though thanks to our iSights and the tasteful camara work of my sister-in-law.

Apple should do a commercial or PR campaign on me and/or any of the many other officers/enlisted men that made use of apple's ease of use for tele-conferencing and otherwise staying on touch with loved ones with machines that JUST WORKED.

As a Capt. I was able to make sure I had "Arranged" some downtime and my Sgt., bless his hard-assed soul, made sure enough enlisted men "volunteered" to free up some high-speed net time at the same time with the hellp of some contraband to grease the palms of the corruptable ones and pure intimidation as only a "good" company sgt can pull off...

The poor bastards that used the provided windoze boxes spent most of their precious time with family/girlfriends/kids/strippers:o back home or at their bases troubleshooting, rebooting and saying, "huh??" when they couldn't make out the choppy vid/audio or being unable to even get a connection at all.

I know it was the connection sometimes (but the army has some pretty good high-speed gear and spent a lot to make it work to keep up morale for us. Having every Tom, Dick and Muhammad trying to do awful things to you on a daily basis wasn't the best psych builder); but I, the LT. Colonel directly over me and my Sgt. never had any of those issues with our setups (apple iSights and computers at home/back at base in the BRD and Italy, the ROK, TX (for me, my company sgt (1stCAV) and a 1LT from 3ID. The LTColonel and I were the only officers I know of you had macs in theater but we were the envy of all. A British general even said he was going to get one for himself after sitting through one of our tac analysis meetings and seeing what Keynote, iMovie and certain image enhancers/intensifiers (NOT photoSh*t - I hate it)

He asked me and the col to speak with him after the brainstorming session and we must've spent two hours talking about the mac and what he (his staff more than likely..) could actually GET DONE with what he called "...a real computer!"

[fall3n]

Though i had a hard time understanding a lot of what you just said (must be military talk) it's very cool how this is a real life example of how Macs JUST WORK. This is an awesome story for Apple. I suggest you send them an email about this.

Although their current campaign can be witty, it's starting to get old. I think this kind of a real life story campaign would really help to gain support for Apple and their products that JUST WORK.

[apb3]

Though i had a hard time understanding a lot of what you just said (must be military talk) it's very cool how this is a real life example of how Macs JUST WORK. This is an awesome story for Apple. I suggest you send them an email about this.

Although their current campaign can be witty, it's starting to get old. I think this kind of a real life story campaign would really help to gain support for Apple and their products that JUST WORK.

Yeah. sorry for the jargon. hard habit to break I guess and I was on some vicodin (stupid wound, that one... slipped down a street in Reykjavik on my layover coming home this last time) They bdon't give purple hearts for drunken stupidity, but I did get one for walking into the path of an AK round... That was fun:rolleyes:

I did think of getting in touch with the guys I mentioned above to put together a little email to apple re: how things just worked for us over there while the guys stuck using the PCs provided by the army had no end of hassles when they could get it to work. Mostly they had to rely on recorded messages back and forth while we had pretty much real-time comm.

It's be great PR for apple to provide this type of solution to our guys still over there. One problem though is that we got no end of pushback when we tried to use our macs. You know the standard gov't fear of what they don;t know about. They were afraid of compromised security, etc.

The LtCol just covered his apple logo and put on a Dell sticker. I put one of the rugged army cases over mine. Didn't fit quite right but it worked well enough. I kept it in my molle pack most of the time anyway.

I'd be interested to hear from other mil types who got their macs over there and managed to use them. I know some Intel guys DID have macs because they are so secure, but intel is a whole separate world in the army from my semi-limited work with them.

I guess this should be a different thread by now, huh???

[Gasu E.]

I'd be interested to hear from other mil types who got their macs over there and managed to use them. I know some Intel guys DID have macs because they are so secure, but intel is a whole separate world in the army from my semi-limited work with them.


I bet you mean something entirely different from what we usually mean when we say "Intel" around here... :D

[fall3n]

One problem though is that we got no end of pushback when we tried to use our macs. You know the standard gov't fear of what they don;t know about. They were afraid of compromised security, etc.


Funny that they'd fear a compromise of security when Macs are far more secure then PC's. But I guess the unknown can be fearsome.

[apb3]

Well, off topic YET AGAIN, but I attempted to reach the sarge and and LT Colonel (full bird Colonel now).

Got the shock of my life. Sgt's wife (don't want to use names oviously) answered and started cryinh when she heard it was me, he husband's CO.

Seems he bought it in Sadr City. She didn't have a lot of details; but due to the nature of our missions, she probably won't ever get anything more than, "sorry to inform you blah blah he died saving his comrades and protecting our way of life blah blah he was a hero... At least I cycled out before that happened as I would've had to write yet another death letter... Kinda selfish I guess but I have had enough of that.

Then I get a hold of the Col. and he is now a junky... NOt that I didn't have my addictions while in the arrmy (not just beer either)... They did hand out painkillers, mood enhancers, aggro pills and this thing called a Killer (or Combat) Cocktail sometimes before you went out. THat stuff was the sh*t but it made you a bit crazy during and afterwards. As an officer, I'd take about half the injection to be able to keep my cool somewhat. I always made sure that at least one of my junior officers or NCOs (usually two or three junior officers and/or NCOs if I had a bad feeling about the whole mission) so I could confer with similar semi-levelheaded troopers if we had to make a life or death decision like blowing a village, bridge; attacking arms runners from Syria or Iran, etc... If we were fully dosed we would have just done the whole country.

Although there are those up in the chain of command that feel that would be the best option.

[K20]

Checked out my FPS in WoW...I'm pulling anywhere from 70-100fps. I'd usually get around 70-85fps in Ironforge or Stormwind where there are big crowds of people fooling around casting spells and stuff. I'll get 90-140fps if I'm just milling around in the forest in a 1v1 with a beast or something.

[weldon]

K20,

How much VRAM do you have in that 20" iMac? 256MB?

I'm really stoked about the report on the 20" iMac because it makes me realize that I don't have to go to the 24" w/ 7600GT to get some gaming in.

[K20]

K20,

How much VRAM do you have in that 20" iMac? 256MB?

I'm really stoked about the report on the 20" iMac because it makes me realize that I don't have to go to the 24" w/ 7600GT to get some gaming in.

128mb, I'm surprised by the performance numbers also. I used ctrl+R to get FPS, so I'm not sure if that is totally accurate.

It is very very quick though, did a dungeon raid with 6 players and multiple enemies coming at us, fighting & spellcasting...the iMac handled it without a hiccup :)

256mb would be very nice though.

Also, I'm running at 1680x1050 in window mode

[eXan]

128mb, I'm surprised by the performance numbers also. I used ctrl+R to get FPS, so I'm not sure if that is totally accurate.

It is very very quick though, did a dungeon raid with 6 players and multiple enemies coming at us, fighting & spellcasting...the iMac handled it without a hiccup :)

256mb would be very nice though.

Also, I'm running at 1680x1050 in window mode

Heh, why do you run in a window mode at your screen's maximum resolution? Not only it fills the entire screen, but it also crops the bottom of the window, as the menu bar and the window title bar are also drawn?

[bobber205]

I think he's talking about ingame res. I don't think changing the in game res affects the window... :)

[eXan]

I think he's talking about ingame res. I don't think changing the in game res affects the window... :)

?

The game window is the size you set in the game's preferences. This is the same in all games I've played. I doubt WoW is any different :rolleyes:

[K20]

?

The game window is the size you set in the game's preferences. This is the same in all games I've played. I doubt WoW is any different :rolleyes:

I don't know how to explain it to you, but the game resolution is set to 1680x1050 but its run in a windowed mode so I can still see what other apps are doing (like messages in adium). I'll take a screenshot in a few.

[K20]

Here you go, in this same exact spot i get 140fps in 1280x800. When running in 1280x800, the window remains the same size as well..

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/9688/wowzc7.th.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowzc7.jpg)


However, this is just one part of the city and is obviously inconsistent on a gaming basis. But I consistently get the fps numbers I posted below (most likely because I quest with a couple friends during off-peak hours). When servers are really full, frame rate can dip to the high 40s-50s..even at 1280x800