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MacRumors
Dec 5, 2006, 07:05 PM
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PCWorld reports (http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,128081-c,harddrives/article.html) on Toshiba's newly announced 100GB 1.8" hard drive.

The new drive is expected to start production in January 2007. Similar drives are currently being used in the Apple iPod but top out at a maximum of 80GB. The drive will be on show at the Consumer Electronic Show which takes place between January 8th to 11th.

While the drive is being billed as the largest 1.8" drive, Seagate announced (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/08/20060814111802.shtml) 120GB 1.8" drives which were targeted for the last quarter of 2006.



skoker
Dec 5, 2006, 07:09 PM
My front page sense must have been tingling.

Very cool stuff.

pdpfilms
Dec 5, 2006, 07:09 PM
My guess- These drives will see use in iPods in Q1 2008.

68134
Dec 5, 2006, 07:09 PM
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PCWorld reports (http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,128081-c,harddrives/article.html) on Toshiba's newly announced 100GB 1.8" hard drive.

The new drive is expected to start production in January 2007. Similar drives are currently being used in the Apple iPod but top out at a maximum of 80GB. The drive will be on show at the Consumer Electronic Show which takes place between January 8th to 11th.

While the drive is being billed as the largest 1.8" drive, Seagate announced (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/08/20060814111802.shtml) 120GB 1.8" drives which were targeted for the last quarter of 2006.

Cool, but I doubt Apple will take advantage of this 'till the true Video iPod is released

noservice2001
Dec 5, 2006, 07:15 PM
120gb... sounds like it'll be fat...

Fredou51
Dec 5, 2006, 07:20 PM
120 GB widescreen video iPod! Yes, I want one!

Frederic

Digitaljim
Dec 5, 2006, 07:21 PM
Always good to have another 20GB to play with in the premium model, but I can't see them being put into the current iPod line-up - they'll possibly surface with the 6G full video ones.

And to be honest i'd always choose a thinner, smaller capacity model.

ghall
Dec 5, 2006, 07:24 PM
Wow, pretty soon iPods are gonna have more hard drive space than my laptop. :(

LillieDesigns
Dec 5, 2006, 07:25 PM
Always good to have another 20GB to play with in the premium model, but I can't see them being put into the current iPod line-up - they'll possibly surface with the 6G full video ones.

And to be honest i'd always choose a thinner, smaller capacity model.

If it's just music than yes, but if I'm gonna be stuffing my movies on the thing I want as much space as I can get. i do agree with you on the music front, but unfortunately I can't get 1/8th of my library on my 4 gig Nano.

Hattig
Dec 5, 2006, 07:26 PM
The advancement of capacities in the 1.8" hard drive sector amaze me. 100GB on a 1.8" platter (well, 4 sides of platters, so 25GB a side, but ...). Far more progress in this area than in the 2.5" hard drive sector.

This will see use in a future iPod, it just depends on when, which depends on how many can be made - Apple need quite a few!

Hopefully this will mean 40-50GB single-platter drives too, replacing the 30GB drives in the $249 iPod.

My iBook only has 40GB :(

MacVault
Dec 5, 2006, 07:27 PM
How about a pocket-size RAID 1/5 backup/archive device using these things?

Bibulous
Dec 5, 2006, 07:27 PM
maybe with this space they will finally add the 'Home on iPod' option.

http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/10/20031008183849.shtml

spicyapple
Dec 5, 2006, 07:27 PM
Put these babies in the rumoured 12" ultra-thin notebooks, and we might have a winner. :)

MarkCollette
Dec 5, 2006, 07:32 PM
It'd be cool to have a subnotebook that incorporates an 8GB flash drive for the operating system and applications, and one of these drives for /Users.

More and more we have the situation that we have a lot of small files that we need quick access to, and a bunch of large media files that we infrequently need slow access to. And a spinning hard drive will either be too slow and use some power, or fast and use a lot of power. Might as well use things that use way less power, and get the speed where we need it.

gugy
Dec 5, 2006, 07:33 PM
120 GB widescreen video iPod! Yes, I want one!

Frederic

Exactly what I was thinking!
I hope it comes soon!!!!! MWSF would be very nice.

Stridder44
Dec 5, 2006, 07:38 PM
Sub-notebook? Bleh. 30 gb iPod? Psh. Give me triple-digit gigs or give me death.

scrambledwonder
Dec 5, 2006, 07:44 PM
It'd be cool to have a subnotebook that incorporates an 8GB flash drive for the operating system and applications, and one of these drives for /Users.

More and more we have the situation that we have a lot of small files that we need quick access to, and a bunch of large media files that we infrequently need slow access to. And a spinning hard drive will either be too slow and use some power, or fast and use a lot of power. Might as well use things that use way less power, and get the speed where we need it.

I read a rumor a while back about Apple considering NAND flash memory for its laptops, for the OS and apps, just like you said. I hope to see it in MacBooks and MacBook Pros in Q1 2007, but we'll see. I suppose it would depend on the availability of cheap memory. Right now, 8GB of memory in a compact package isn't cheap. Then again, they could use these tiny drives and multiple memory chips and still keep the same form factor. . .

maxp1
Dec 5, 2006, 07:53 PM
A 1.8 microdrive/flash drive combo. That would be great for laptops. Power saving up the wazoo.

SeaFox
Dec 5, 2006, 08:19 PM
While the drive is being billed as the largest 1.8" drive, Seagate announced (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/08/20060814111802.shtml) 120GB 1.8" drives which were targeted for the last quarter of 2006.

I don't think they'll be making that release schedule. :rolleyes:

racebit
Dec 5, 2006, 08:20 PM
Lets not get too carried away with it. I only glossed over the article so maybe I missed read/write times, but I don't see this replacing your default hd in a notebook. If it is a microdrive then read/writes will be slower then what you will get on a 3.5" or 2.5" hard drive.

Just my thoughts.:cool:

SeaFox
Dec 5, 2006, 08:21 PM
A 1.8 microdrive/flash drive combo. That would be great for laptops. Power saving up the wazoo.

Actually, it's funny you mentioned that. With the price of flash memory so much lower now than it was a few years ago. maybe it's time for Apple to boost the internal memory on the iPod (the one that gives you 8 minutes or so of skip protection)? More memory would mean fewer spins up of the hard drive if you're listening to play lists straight through. So more battery time.

zwida
Dec 5, 2006, 08:25 PM
maybe with this space they will finally add the 'Home on iPod' option.

http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/10/20031008183849.shtml

That would blow my mind. I've been thinking about ever since that story was posted. (I can't believe it's been three years...).

Clive At Five
Dec 5, 2006, 08:28 PM
Put these babies in the rumoured 12" ultra-thin notebooks, and we might have a winner. :)

No, actually you won't... 1.8" drives die very quickly as boot devices. Frequent read/write just kills those little guys.

-Clive

twoodcc
Dec 5, 2006, 08:38 PM
My guess- These drives will see use in iPods in Q1 2008.

i hope sooner than that, but you're probably right

lorductape
Dec 5, 2006, 08:41 PM
My guess- These drives will see use in iPods in Q1 2008.

my guess- apple will go bigger.

Multimedia
Dec 5, 2006, 08:43 PM
Really need that size for HDV Field Production work. At 13GB an hour the 100GB drive will be able to hold almost an entire day's worth - 7 hours = 91GB - of shooting. Seagate 120 would be much better as it can hold full 8+ hours worth of HDV footage.

Danksi
Dec 5, 2006, 08:51 PM
Wow, pretty soon iPods are gonna have more hard drive space than my laptop. :(

:D I was just thinking that myself, as I was slowly scrolling down the page!

wizard
Dec 5, 2006, 09:02 PM
That about sums it up, the sooner the better too. Not a big fan of the drive for audio but it is the cats a$$ for storage of digital pictures. If you are a photographer it is a very good back up device, the only thing missing is a compact flash port.

A video iPod would be good too, but it looks like that is a few weeks (months) off.

As tot he ultra compact Mac Book that is rumored that would be a good place for this drive also. If it has a drive at all. Personally I'd love to see Apple come out with an all solid state laptop. That is no hard drive and no internal CDROM. While the OLPC program isn't about to solve any problems, some of the concepts that the program has developed I would love to see in a laptop.

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This is in regard to prior messages concerning the reliability of these drives. The implication was that they don't hold to heavy write usage. Anybody got the real scoop or is this old data from the early days of small form factor drives. I ask because frankly a RAID array of these drives would be very useful in the field. That due to both the size and the compactness.

Dave

iMeowbot
Dec 5, 2006, 09:17 PM
While the drive is being billed as the largest 1.8" drive, Seagate announced (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/08/20060814111802.shtml) 120GB 1.8" drives which were targeted for the last quarter of 2006.
In the Seagate literature, only the 60GB variety (http://www.seagate.com/products/consumer_electronics/st18_series.html) of the ST18 series has surfaced. The 120GB part is MIA.
My guess- These drives will see use in iPods in Q1 2008.
Hard to say. The 80GB Toshiba drives were shipping for months before Apple started using them.

charkshark
Dec 5, 2006, 09:30 PM
120 GB widescreen video iPod! Yes, I want one!

Frederic

Exactly, These are for the TRUE VIDEO iPods.
Would also be nice if they could get these things into the 12" Ultrathin Macbook Pros of speculation. NICE!

Nice dreaming....

princealfie
Dec 5, 2006, 09:34 PM
my guess- apple will go bigger.

just how big eh?

glowingstar
Dec 5, 2006, 09:35 PM
wow.... 100/120 gigs in a 1.8" package. in my day, i was just excited to have 100megs in zip disk format! :D

EagerDragon
Dec 5, 2006, 09:38 PM
Where is the 750 GB 1.8 drive?

topgun072003
Dec 5, 2006, 09:40 PM
Where is the 750 GB 1.8 drive?

You didn't hear? Its coming out next Tuesday...psh where have you been?

~Shard~
Dec 5, 2006, 09:42 PM
Toshiba can continue making larger capacity drives like this but eventually all iPods will move to flash-based storage. It still might be a couple years away, but it will happen at some point - just as I'm sure we'll see a MacBook with flash-based storage as well in the future.

EagerDragon
Dec 5, 2006, 09:48 PM
You didn't hear? Its coming out next Tuesday...psh where have you been?
That 1.8 750 GB is probably coming at the same time as the PowerBook G5.

simX
Dec 5, 2006, 09:54 PM
Exactly, These are for the TRUE VIDEO iPods.

Remind me again what is so un-true about the current video iPod?

Actually, it's funny you mentioned that. With the price of flash memory so much lower now than it was a few years ago. maybe it's time for Apple to boost the internal memory on the iPod (the one that gives you 8 minutes or so of skip protection)? More memory would mean fewer spins up of the hard drive if you're listening to play lists straight through. So more battery time.

Eh, I dunno. It's a case of diminishing returns. Even if the iPod could queue up to 100 songs, it would all be for naught the moment you change albums or playlists or anything like that. It actually might even be worse if more often than not it loads songs you don't actually end up playing.

I suppose, though, 32 MB is piddly space for video, which constantly keeps the hard drive running, so in that case, you're probably right.

steelfist
Dec 5, 2006, 09:55 PM
that's good

zelman
Dec 5, 2006, 09:59 PM
I wonder if there are any major hurdles in implementing perpendicular techology in 1.8" drives. Power or otherwise?

Eduardo1971
Dec 5, 2006, 09:59 PM
Wow, pretty soon iPods are gonna have more hard drive space than my laptop. :(

I had the same thought. Technology is amazing!:eek:

spicyapple
Dec 5, 2006, 10:02 PM
I wonder if there are any major hurdles in implementing perpendicular techology in 1.8" drives. Power or otherwise?
Aren't they already using perpendicular technology? This was the main reason they could get so many GBs on 1.8".

Eduardo1971
Dec 5, 2006, 10:04 PM
120 GB widescreen video iPod! Yes, I want one!

Frederic

Apple, just release a 100GB iPod and you'll have a new buyer.:D

I really don't care for video. I have a lot of audio files (52GB+).

maxp1
Dec 5, 2006, 10:09 PM
No, actually you won't... 1.8" drives die very quickly as boot devices. Frequent read/write just kills those little guys.

-Clive

Oh, I did not know that. Maybe that's why my GF's iPod mini died after 2 years. She played that thing like 8 hours every day. (shoulda bought Applecare)

macenforcer
Dec 5, 2006, 10:31 PM
Archos 504 has 160gb. :eek:

jmbear
Dec 5, 2006, 10:39 PM
Cool! I am still waiting on the new NAND chips to replace hard-drives. Samsung has a 8GB one, just put 12 of those and voila! You got almost 100GBs with less energy consumption. Not sure about the cost, space etc... But I think flash is the way to go for mobile consumer electronics.

princealfie
Dec 5, 2006, 10:40 PM
Cool! I am still waiting on the new NAND chips to replace hard-drives. Samsung has a 8GB one, just put 12 of those and voila! You got almost 100GBs with less energy consumption. Not sure about the cost, space etc... But I think flash is the way to go for mobile consumer electronics.

Dude, you wanna $1300 ipod nano? Hellno, I will stick to 120 gb hard drive 1.8 rite now.

anonicon
Dec 5, 2006, 10:43 PM
Toshiba can continue making larger capacity drives like this but eventually all iPods will move to flash-based storage. It still might be a couple years away, but it will happen at some point - just as I'm sure we'll see a MacBook with flash-based storage as well in the future.

Regardless of whether your prediction is right or not, I sincerely hope you're wrong. Flash memory, despite its recent size advances, still lags *far* behind regular hard drive storage at a ratio of about 47:1 (top hard drive: 750GB, top flash drive: 16GB) and in cost.

While the announced 120GB 1.8" drive is good news, it still looks like it's going to be a few years beore the iPod comes out with a 500GB hard drive - the general amount of space my no-MP3 music collection takes up. I'd love to be able to carry my entire library around instead of having to choose which parcels to load onto it each week.

Peace.

princealfie
Dec 5, 2006, 10:46 PM
Regardless of whether your prediction is right or not, I sincerely hope you're wrong. Flash memory, despite its recent size advances, still lags *far* behind regular hard drive storage at a ratio of about 47:1 (top hard drive: 750GB, top flash drive: 16GB) and in cost.

While the announced 120GB 1.8" drive is good news, it still looks like it's going to be a few years beore the iPod comes out with a 500GB hard drive - the general amount of space my no-MP3 music collection takes up. I'd love to be able to carry my entire library around instead of having to choose which parcels to load onto it each week.

Peace.

Why not buy 5 iPods to fit it all?

mahonmeister
Dec 5, 2006, 10:56 PM
Sooo much space. Would be perfect for lots of video like everyone is saying. But this wouldn't come in time for Mac World would it?

Peel
Dec 5, 2006, 11:36 PM
120gb... sounds like it'll be fat...

Does anyone know how many platters this (or the Toshiba 100GB) has? Is it the same form factor as the current 80GB drive? It seems that the 2.5" laptop drives are close to topping out at 200GB, and I'm wondering if the technology used in the 120GB 1.8" drive (perhaps something beyond perpendicular recording?) might also breath new life into the 2.5" Format.

iMeowbot
Dec 5, 2006, 11:50 PM
Does anyone know how many platters this (or the Toshiba 100GB) has?
The Toshiba MK1011GAH will have two platters.

The 60 GB Seagate drive uses one platter, so it's pretty safe to assume that the 120GB variety, if it eventually appears, will also use two.

Is it the same form factor as the current 80GB drive?
For the Toshiba, yes. Most of the specs are nearly identical to the 80GB version (newer ATA spec, though).

Toshiba 1.8" drives (http://sdd.toshiba.com/main.aspx?Path=810000000007000000010000659800000000/810000000B0C000000010000659C000026BD)

The available Seagate specs are still a little sketchy, but it does appear to have different dimensions just based on appearance alone (they look so different with their skins torn off!). It may or may not be a drop-in replacement for the Toshiba ones.

Seagate ST18 series (http://www.seagate.com/products/consumer_electronics/st18_series.html).

Eduardo1971
Dec 6, 2006, 12:42 AM
Why not buy 5 iPods to fit it all?

Ha!:D

Spoken like a true Apple sales representative!

Digitaljim
Dec 6, 2006, 03:44 AM
I really don't care for video. I have a lot of audio files (52GB+).

I too have a lot of audio on my external lacie HD - in the region of about 90GB - so thus far i've figured i can't fit ALL my music on any iPod, so always just carry a selection.

However, i've noticed on both my old 20GB 3rd gen and new 30GB 5th gen that the more I fill and approach capacity, the more sluggish they get. It's really annoying; now i usually don't break the 50-60% capacity as a result.

Would this be same if it were 100-120GB? I can't stand it when it's slow.

rubberduck007
Dec 6, 2006, 05:07 AM
Archos 504 has 160gb. :eek:

yeah - if you wanna carry a brick about with you... an ugly brick at that... god, did these guys go to design school? :D

bigandy
Dec 6, 2006, 05:41 AM
I too have a lot of audio on my external lacie HD - in the region of about 90GB - so thus far i've figured i can't fit ALL my music on any iPod, so always just carry a selection.

However, i've noticed on both my old 20GB 3rd gen and new 30GB 5th gen that the more I fill and approach capacity, the more sluggish they get. It's really annoying; now i usually don't break the 50-60% capacity as a result.

Would this be same if it were 100-120GB? I can't stand it when it's slow.

my 3rd gen 40gb has 9mb free. and it runs very very fast. :p

Paranoidmarvin
Dec 6, 2006, 06:56 AM
While the drive is being billed as the largest 1.8" drive, Seagate announced 120GB 1.8" drives which were targeted for the last quarter of 2006.

It should be "the highest capacity 1.8" drive"
No matter what the capacity - the drive is still 1.8" ;)

dernhelm
Dec 6, 2006, 07:21 AM
Put two of these in a wide-screen video iPod, with RAID 0 and then you've got something...
;)

m-dogg
Dec 6, 2006, 08:52 AM
Mmmm, I've been waiting for an iPod to get into triple-digit capacity!

Bring on the 120GB now!

SactoGuy18
Dec 6, 2006, 10:57 AM
I expect Apple to release the "video iPod" in a form factor larger than the current 5.5G iPod with a touchscreen display and either 80 GB or 120 GB hard drive. It won't be cheap, though: probably US$499 for the 80 GB version and US$599 for the 120 GB version.

One unexpected surprise (in my opinion) from this new "video iPod" is the return of the IEEE-1394 (FireWire) interface, since I'm not sure if the USB 2.0 port is fast enough to handle fast copying of files from the computer that measure tens of gigabytes in size.

Snowy_River
Dec 6, 2006, 11:18 AM
Regardless of whether your prediction is right or not, I sincerely hope you're wrong. Flash memory, despite its recent size advances, still lags *far* behind regular hard drive storage at a ratio of about 47:1 (top hard drive: 750GB, top flash drive: 16GB) and in cost.

While the announced 120GB 1.8" drive is good news, it still looks like it's going to be a few years beore the iPod comes out with a 500GB hard drive - the general amount of space my no-MP3 music collection takes up. I'd love to be able to carry my entire library around instead of having to choose which parcels to load onto it each week.

Peace.

Okay, so I have a question. If we were to assume that each song in your collection is in the 15-20 MB range (and for simplicity we'll just say 20 MB), that would mean that you've got about 25000 songs in your library. With the current selection of iPods, you could take about 10% of those songs with you at any one time. That's about 2500 songs, at about 4 minutes each, for a total of, about, seven days worth of listening, straight through.

Now, I'm sure that you don't listen straight through a week, 24 hours a day. And I can understand the desirability of having your entire library ("oh, I really want to listen to that song, but it isn't in the set that I've got on my iPod!"). But, in the grand scheme of things, you can carry around more than enough music to keep you listening without repeating a song for weeks at a time, right?

(Please, no offense, this is just an argument that I have with myself on a regular basis. My situation is no where near what yours is. I've got somewhere between 30 and 40 GB of music, and I only have an older 20 GB iPod. I have this argument with myself to talk myself out of spending the money on a new iPod. :) )

As you said:

Peace. ;)

kddpop
Dec 6, 2006, 11:22 AM
i have yet to buy an ipod. i have wanted one since 2G. but ive been waiting for the size to be able to accomidate my music collection. this may just be the time. i hope so. video would be cool but not really what i want an ipod for. i want the storage though. time will tell.


One unexpected surprise (in my opinion) from this new "video iPod" is the return of the IEEE-1394 (FireWire) interface, since I'm not sure if the USB 2.0 port is fast enough to handle fast copying of files from the computer that measure tens of gigabytes in size.

i hope they do bring back firewire. that would be great.

~kyle

MarkCollette
Dec 6, 2006, 11:49 AM
However, i've noticed on both my old 20GB 3rd gen and new 30GB 5th gen that the more I fill and approach capacity, the more sluggish they get. It's really annoying; now i usually don't break the 50-60% capacity as a result.

Just curious, but is this with uncompressed audio, or really large files? Does anyone know if the iPods use a metadata database, or if they have to read the metadata from the audio files themselves?

One possible explanation, although I doubt this would be noticeable, is that because it's faster to access data on the outside portion of a platter, than the inside portion, because the outter tracks have a greater diameter, and so more information passes under the read head, at a given rotation speed. Also, the more you fill a drive, the more the read head will have to seek around. That would depend though, do you play tracks sequentially or randomly?

awhitaker
Dec 6, 2006, 12:34 PM
I waiting for the day that flash drives can reach that capacity or they come up with something more stable than the current 1.8" hard drives in ipods. I have two ipods with bad hard drives. I haven't been rough on them, but now they have that dreaded clicking noise. I've tried the "slap" fix and it works every once in a while on the one. On the other, I ended up selling the ipod for parts. I'm anxious for the ipod phone to come out and hopefully it has a flash drive, which is what everyone expects. Flash drives are sturdier, they just don't have the capacity just yet. I hate 1.8" hard drives. They're too delicate.

anonicon
Dec 6, 2006, 12:35 PM
Okay, so I have a question. If we were to assume that each song in your collection is in the 15-20 MB range (and for simplicity we'll just say 20 MB), that would mean that you've got about 25000 songs in your library. With the current selection of iPods, you could take about 10% of those songs with you at any one time. That's about 2500 songs, at about 4 minutes each, for a total of, about, seven days worth of listening, straight through.

Now, I'm sure that you don't listen straight through a week, 24 hours a day. And I can understand the desirability of having your entire library ("oh, I really want to listen to that song, but it isn't in the set that I've got on my iPod!"). But, in the grand scheme of things, you can carry around more than enough music to keep you listening without repeating a song for weeks at a time, right?

(Please, no offense, this is just an argument that I have with myself on a regular basis. My situation is no where near what yours is. I've got somewhere between 30 and 40 GB of music, and I only have an older 20 GB iPod. I have this argument with myself to talk myself out of spending the money on a new iPod. :) )

As you said:

Peace. ;)

No offense taken. My point was coming from the perspective of not using MP3s or AACs, but CD-Audio WAV instead, where a 5 minute song isn't 5-10mb, but 50-60mb.

I've got all my music on a 750GB hard drive on my computer, with about 280GB of free space left (I've got about 9,000 songs). I *can* convert it all to MP3 and be just fine with an 80GB iPod, but for simplicity's sake, and because I'm lazy, I just load 70GB of my WAVs into my 80GB iPod at a time.

It'd be nice to not to have to choose which songs I have to listen to when I'm loading them to the iPod, and instead have iPod access to any song that my whim points to.

pagansoul
Dec 6, 2006, 01:32 PM
No offense taken. My point was coming from the perspective of not using MP3s or AACs, but CD-Audio WAV instead, where a 5 minute song isn't 5-10mb, but 50-60mb.

I've got all my music on a 750GB hard drive on my computer, with about 280GB of free space left (I've got about 9,000 songs). I *can* convert it all to MP3 and be just fine with an 80GB iPod, but for simplicity's sake, and because I'm lazy, I just load 70GB of my WAVs into my 80GB iPod at a time.

It'd be nice to not to have to choose which songs I have to listen to when I'm loading them to the iPod, and instead have iPod access to any song that my whim points to.

I have a 80GB ipod that I had my collection of 6000+ songs (apple default AAC) but have been thinking about ripping using the highest bitrate on to an external HD. Is WAV the best to use when ripping CDs?

princealfie
Dec 6, 2006, 01:38 PM
No offense taken. My point was coming from the perspective of not using MP3s or AACs, but CD-Audio WAV instead, where a 5 minute song isn't 5-10mb, but 50-60mb.

I've got all my music on a 750GB hard drive on my computer, with about 280GB of free space left (I've got about 9,000 songs). I *can* convert it all to MP3 and be just fine with an 80GB iPod, but for simplicity's sake, and because I'm lazy, I just load 70GB of my WAVs into my 80GB iPod at a time.

It'd be nice to not to have to choose which songs I have to listen to when I'm loading them to the iPod, and instead have iPod access to any song that my whim points to.

Why WAV over APL?

EGT
Dec 6, 2006, 01:39 PM
Toshiba can continue making larger capacity drives like this but eventually all iPods will move to flash-based storage. It still might be a couple years away, but it will happen at some point - just as I'm sure we'll see a MacBook with flash-based storage as well in the future.

Larger solid state storage can't come soon enough. Down with mechanical parts. :p

kddpop
Dec 6, 2006, 01:47 PM
Larger solid state storage can't come soon enough. Down with mechanical parts. :p

i agree but it needs to be a good bit larger. 80 gigs isnt even quite enough for my needs.

~kyle

gkarris
Dec 6, 2006, 01:52 PM
Put 4 of these in an iTV! You get tons of storage!

(I think I soiled my pants....)

bigwig
Dec 6, 2006, 03:00 PM
With 1.8" drives this big and dense, when are we going to see some cheap and big 2.5" external drives? A 2.5" drive has about 1.9x the surface area, so we should be seeing 200+ GB maxed out, and 120 should be real cheap. I'm not seeing that yet.

SiliconAddict
Dec 6, 2006, 05:05 PM
Interesting but I'll pass. While I'm close to needing more space if I'm going to buy a new PMP at this point I want more space and a new design. )Read: Where's my Video iPod Apple?)

SiliconAddict
Dec 6, 2006, 05:07 PM
i agree but it needs to be a good bit larger. 80 gigs isnt even quite enough for my needs.

~kyle

Good enough for the OS and most apps though. Think 2 drives in one system. 40-80GB drive for OS and Apple. 100+ drive for media. If course then you have the problem of Jobs and his insanity of requiring it to be 1" thick. :rolleyes:

manu chao
Dec 6, 2006, 05:10 PM
With 1.8" drives this big and dense, when are we going to see some cheap and big 2.5" external drives? A 2.5" drive has about 1.9x the surface area, so we should be seeing 200+ GB maxed out, and 120 should be real cheap. I'm not seeing that yet.

200 GB is here already.

manu chao
Dec 6, 2006, 05:11 PM
No, actually you won't... 1.8" drives die very quickly as boot devices. Frequent read/write just kills those little guys.

-Clive

Any evidence? Otherwise I would label that statement as FUD.

j26
Dec 6, 2006, 05:23 PM
Put 4 of these in an iTV! You get tons of storage!

(I think I soiled my pants....)

You could be on to something there.

Peel
Dec 6, 2006, 06:27 PM
200 GB is here already.

It is, and it's slow. Only 4200 RMP at this point.

jmbear
Dec 6, 2006, 06:47 PM
Dude, you wanna $1300 ipod nano? Hellno, I will stick to 120 gb hard drive 1.8 rite now.

Yeah, right now it might cost that, but economies of scale will drop the cost dramatically, maybe in 1-2 years?

shigzeo
Dec 6, 2006, 07:01 PM
It'd be cool to have a subnotebook that incorporates an 8GB flash drive for the operating system and applications, and one of these drives for /Users.

More and more we have the situation that we have a lot of small files that we need quick access to, and a bunch of large media files that we infrequently need slow access to. And a spinning hard drive will either be too slow and use some power, or fast and use a lot of power. Might as well use things that use way less power, and get the speed where we need it.

yeah mate, i agree, i do not need a hd that can access files at 400mbps when my music is a mere at most 1.440 kbps and movies only 5x that. when i do files creation etc, nice to have the option for speed, but that is what external raid and firewire 800 are for.

and it has been long since i have said anything here... cheers

shigzeo
Dec 6, 2006, 07:14 PM
I have a 80GB ipod that I had my collection of 6000+ songs (apple default AAC) but have been thinking about ripping using the highest bitrate on to an external HD. Is WAV the best to use when ripping CDs?

you might as well just rip to lossless which is the same quality at slightly smaller size. mathmatics aside, if you are just worried at the fact that your cd is being re-encoded, you might try for aiff or wav, no problems. but if you have an ipod, why not try out alac? also, if you are very very sure you can hear the difference, you really need to have a trained ear and something far better than just earbuds to hear what makes the diff.

it is best to do some tests for yourself... blind tests... rip a selection of a very few songs that you know well in alac, mp3 and aac at various bitrates, pop onto the ipod and shuffle them or have a friend hold the ipod and not tell you what bitrate is playing (name the songs something like mp3 128, aac 156vbs or something) then when you have listened to a good portion of the song 30 sec or so and have something meaningful to say about the quality, say it or write it down, then look at the ipod or have your mate tell you what it really was.

whenever i do it with friends it is down to luck with half of the songs of only two encodings being done correctly 5 times for and five times against. you really have to know what to listen for... and you had better have good earphones and dock/amp to justify that much hd thrashing on your ipod, not to mention the lonely feeling of 'only' carrying 7 days of music instead of 60! cheers

solvs
Dec 6, 2006, 09:51 PM
Put these babies in the rumoured 12" ultra-thin notebooks, and we might have a winner. :)
That's what I was thinking, but they're probably too slow and as said, wear out faster. :( Would be nice though.

maybe it's time for Apple to boost the internal memory on the iPod (the one that gives you 8 minutes or so of skip protection)?
It's actually like 20min (around 32MB) and I've heard they actually will or did up it to 64MB. Not sure though. More than enough for the space and the cost, but yeah, would help video if it was higher. Might raise the price of the "true" video one though.

Archos 504 has 160gb. :eek:
Please tell me your kidding. I'd rather have a Zune! :eek: I like my 4GB nano just fine though, but then I also liked my shuffle (minus the lack of screen) and my mini (minus the lack of color and short battery life on the gen 1).

And, yeah, pagansoul... why not just go Apple Lossless? Or high end AAC? I'm an audiophile too, but if I'm just walking around or riding in my car, I don't need perfection. Shoot, even when I'm at home, AAC seems alright to me. Ok, not perfect, but not bad.

TheNightPhoenix
Dec 7, 2006, 06:39 AM
It is, and it's slow. Only 4200 RMP at this point.

I believe that is due to the data being far more dense then on non-perpendicular drives. I can't find the link but i remember this being covered in a thread about the newer MacBook Pros. Saying the data read/write rate and the seak time were as good if not better then the smaller capacity drives.

KingYaba
Dec 7, 2006, 09:53 AM
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2281

:)

manu chao
Dec 7, 2006, 06:03 PM
I believe that [200 GB 2.5" running at 4200 rpm] is due to the data being far more dense then on non-perpendicular drives. I can't find the link but i remember this being covered in a thread about the newer MacBook Pros. Saying the data read/write rate and the seak time were as good if not better then the smaller capacity drives.

There is one 200 GB 2.5" 4200 rpm available that has three platters. Three platters might explain the 4200 rpm but I am not sure whether there is also another 200 GB around that has only two platters.

The three-platter one is bit thicker than most drives, 2.5" drives either are 7.5 mm or 9.5 mm thick (or was it 9.5 and 11.5 mm?).

anonicon
Dec 8, 2006, 03:59 PM
I have a 80GB ipod that I had my collection of 6000+ songs (apple default AAC) but have been thinking about ripping using the highest bitrate on to an external HD. Is WAV the best to use when ripping CDs?

I'm not a technophile, just know a little (always a dangerous thing). With CDs, WAV has been the best quality audio format around before DVD-Audio (which is very bleeding edge and isn't widely supported), and it's a standard that can be read on any car or home stereo (via CD), iPod, or any other music reading device. Of course, it's about 10-11X larger than a comparable MP3 encoded at 128kbs, *but* if you play your PC music over a nice stereo system (not a super-high-end stereo system, but a nice one), it's noticeably better than MP3 over the same system.

For more clarification, when you buy a plain-jane audio CD of Led Zeppelin or whoever, the tracks on that CD are WAVs. That's why a blank Audio CD can hold 800mb of music, which translates into about 70-73 minutes of audio instead of 700-800 minutes of MP3 or AAC audio.

Also, FYI, while APL is also a nice lossless format by Apple, if you burn a CD with it, no CD player will recognize it since WAV is -the- engineering audio standard for music playback devices.

TheNightPhoenix
Dec 8, 2006, 05:42 PM
Also, FYI, while APL is also a nice lossless format by Apple, if you burn a CD with it, no CD player will recognize it since WAV is -the- engineering audio standard for music playback devices.

When you burn CD's if you burn as an audio cd it does not matter what the format of the source material is it will be converted to play. I belive the CD format is actually based on Aiff (but you may be right with WAV) Either way if you rip as Apple Lossless then burn a disk (as an audio cd) no loss should occur.

The only other common format is mp3 CD's. Which can sound alright if you set the bit rate as high as it can go.

Edit: Research seems to indicate neither wav nor aiff is used on CD's but a red book format based on PCM is infact the CD format.

7on
Dec 10, 2006, 12:30 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing Apple put one of these into a laptop. Maybe a 8GB RAM disk for the OS for better boottimes–then a 1.8" 100GB for your Home Folder.

SkyBell
Dec 10, 2006, 12:52 PM
http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

PCWorld reports (http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,128081-c,harddrives/article.html) on Toshiba's newly announced 100GB 1.8" hard drive.

The new drive is expected to start production in January 2007. Similar drives are currently being used in the Apple iPod but top out at a maximum of 80GB. The drive will be on show at the Consumer Electronic Show which takes place between January 8th to 11th.

While the drive is being billed as the largest 1.8" drive, Seagate announced (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/08/20060814111802.shtml) 120GB 1.8" drives which were targeted for the last quarter of 2006.

Bigger then my hard drive... damn, I need to upgrade.

Mammoth
Dec 10, 2006, 01:50 PM
Archos 504 has 160gb. :eek:

Dual 80GB drives. I really want one... :D

840quadra
Dec 10, 2006, 01:57 PM
Something tells me that the Zune will be first to get this. Then Apple :(

This is where Microsoft can get it's Jump on the iPod, when it finally offers a larger disk space version, and opens up some new features that Toshiba may offer Microsoft first.

I sure hope we don't get the Microshaft on this one!

Eraserhead
Dec 10, 2006, 03:25 PM
Something tells me that the Zune will be first to get this. Then Apple :(

This is where Microsoft can get it's Jump on the iPod, when it finally offers a larger disk space version, and opens up some new features that Toshiba may offer Microsoft first.

I sure hope we don't get the Microshaft on this one!

Nah, Apple has the money they'll get it first, anyway the market for 80GB players is pretty small so 100GB will be even lower, unless you get proper video support, very few people have 100GB of music that they want to be portable.

SoAP
Dec 10, 2006, 04:43 PM
I'm actually more interested in advances in flash technology ;)

840quadra
Dec 10, 2006, 04:47 PM
Nah, Apple has the money they'll get it first, anyway the market for 80GB players is pretty small so 100GB will be even lower, unless you get proper video support, very few people have 100GB of music that they want to be portable.

Possibly, but remember the Zune is a rebadged Toshiba (http://www.pvrwire.com/2006/08/25/microsoft-zune-toshiba-1089/) device.