Please read...scams are out there!

[Wano]

Ok, I posted on here that I wanted to buy a 3CCD camcorder in the for sale/trade section here on macrumors. Some guy instant messaged me trying to sell me a GL2. This is how the converstation went:

LivinCridazy: Hello Are you there?
Wano540: yeah
LivinCridazy: are you intrested in buying camera very cheap or a lense for it may i ask
Wano540: like a camcorder?
LivinCridazy: yes
Wano540: what kind????
LivinCridazy: canon gl 2 brand new still in box
Wano540: yes!...how much?
LivinCridazy: and i have a fisheye lense century optics mark 2
LivinCridazy: how much do you have and where do you live
Wano540: is it the .3x one?
LivinCridazy: yep
Wano540: right now i have$1277.71...hehe
LivinCridazy: On your credit card ?
Wano540: in my bank
LivinCridazy: do you have a debit or credit card ?
Wano540: yeah i got a debit card
LivinCridazy: with that money on it
Wano540: yup
Wano540: oh yeah i live in santa fe, nm
LivinCridazy: well i want to sell this camera very fast and very cheap cause i got it from my freind and i dont have no clue what to do with it and i know its worth alot of $ but since i dont want nothing at all
LivinCridazy: and i need cash very fast for a big bill
Wano540: ok
Wano540: where do you live?
LivinCridazy: would you buy this camera for 800$ howit is in the box brand new
LivinCridazy: never opened
LivinCridazy: ?
Wano540: hell yeah!
LivinCridazy: Okay
LivinCridazy: and ill pay shipping
Wano540: where do you live?
LivinCridazy: Ny, Woodhaven
Wano540: where is that?
LivinCridazy: New york
Wano540: oh ok
LivinCridazy: why ?
Wano540: i have family up there
LivinCridazy: cool
Wano540: in new york
LivinCridazy: are you intrested
Wano540: yes i am!
LivinCridazy: how would we do the payments
Wano540: could my cousin pick it up from you
Wano540: ?
Wano540: since she is up there and that way he can make sure it works and you will get the money
LivinCridazy: no i would want to do it another way
LivinCridazy: where does she live may i ask ?
Wano540: nyc
LivinCridazy: where
LivinCridazy: in NYC
Wano540: brooklyn..i think...unless she moved
LivinCridazy: o
Wano540: she was going to school there or something
Wano540: but if i cant get her to do it, how would you wanna do it?
Wano540: do you wanna send it cod?
LivinCridazy: well this was my plan you send the cash through a money wire to me i pick it up and ship it overnight express
LivinCridazy: cause money wire is the fastest way
LivinCridazy: cause i need cash
LivinCridazy: if you agree do it ill throw it that lense thingfor the camera
LivinCridazy: free
Wano540: the GL2 has a 3.5lcd right?
LivinCridazy: yes
Wano540: and 1ccd?
LivinCridazy: wait
LivinCridazy: yea
LivinCridazy: Yes it has it
Wano540: sounds good man...give me all the info i need
LivinCridazy: well its already in a box redy to have a address on it and shipped
LivinCridazy: why do you need my info now ?
Wano540: but hey....i dont feel secure doing it through moneny wire
Wano540: i think if we do cod or some kind of escrow serive i would feel better about it
LivinCridazy: dont worry im not a guy that would take your money and run plus you have family here and ill give you my # and everything and all moneywires now have to see your social security for safety reasons so they can track you down and stuff
LivinCridazy: and i need cash by tomamrow thats the real reason why
LivinCridazy: trsuth me
LivinCridazy: trusth *
Wano540: sorry man, this is a lot of money for me that i have earned real hard....i am only 17 years old, so I would like my investment to be scure

LivinCridazy: dont worry
LivinCridazy: i dont have a creditcard or bank account now anyways
Wano540: i do worry though.....this is the way i see it. if you really need the money you could wait for it. it's either $800 in a few days or nothing at all
Wano540: or hey i'll give you $875 if you want
LivinCridazy: then if you want you can send half first and whne you get it send other half ?
LivinCridazy: when *
Wano540: send me a picture of the camcorder in the box and the lenses
LivinCridazy: i dont have that
LivinCridazy: i dont have a camera
LivinCridazy: digital
Wano540: ok well open the gl2 and take a picture with it in the mirror
Wano540: and load it up
LivinCridazy: i dont have a capture card or anything
Wano540: i dont care if it's open as long as you give me some kind of assurance
Wano540: all you need is either firewire or usb on your computer
LivinCridazy: dont worry you can call me if you want for proof
Wano540: what do you mean?
LivinCridazy: for proof that im not lieing
Wano540: how can you prove it?
LivinCridazy: look i need cash so bad ill sell it for 600$ right now
LivinCridazy: this isnt no joke or kidish stuff
Wano540: send it same day tomorrow using COD
Wano540: and you will have the money by tuesday
Wano540: i will pay for shipping and cod cost...deal?
LivinCridazy: i have no cash to send it
LivinCridazy: why not westernunion.com
LivinCridazy: fine 500$ westernunion only and its yours i swear to jesus christ
Wano540: cause i have read about a lot of scams on ebay where people dont accept anything but money orders and wire transfers
LivinCridazy: o well if not your loss im giving you a good deal
LivinCridazy: 500$ cause i really need cash soooo bad sir
Wano540: i know but i need assurance
Wano540: ok, i'll wire the money to my cousing tomorrow and she will meet you and give you the money
Wano540: she is a poor college student so i can bribe her money to drive and meet you half ways...deal?
LivinCridazy: look dont worry if you were to send the $ now , i can get it in the morning and send the camera with overnight express call you give you the tracking # and thats it
LivinCridazy: dude but i dont have time
LivinCridazy: not not trying to scam you
LivinCridazy: im too old for that
Wano540: how far are you away from nyc?
LivinCridazy: like 3 hours
LivinCridazy: maybe 2 without traffic
Wano540: let me call her right now
Wano540: hold on
LivinCridazy: look right now this is the only way 500$ or half now wire money or no camera cause i need cash by tomamrow morning your opinion right now ?
LivinCridazy: yes or no
Wano540: ok, she said she will do it....she will even get there by 11:00 tomorrow mornign
Wano540: is that ok?
Wano540: i'll give you the $800 you asked for before
LivinCridazy: yea but i rather do it now through westernunion.com
LivinCridazy: and she wouldnt know how to get here
LivinCridazy: look either money wire to me or nothing cause i dont have time for no kid stuff your choice tell me
Wano540: listen you are the one who's looking really fishy
Wano540: if you really need the money you could wait till tomorrow morning
LivinCridazy: so forget it
Wano540: she will meet up with you guaranteed
LivinCridazy: fine then ill meet up
LivinCridazy: 5 am
Wano540: ok
LivinCridazy: in the morning thats the only time
Wano540: let me talk to her
Wano540: ok buddy done deal
Wano540: nice!
Wano540: hehe....she is making me give her $120 plus gas money
LivinCridazy: Ok have a goodnight
Wano540: she said she can even go right now since it's already 12
LivinCridazy: goodnight
Wano540: haha....you are a scammer!....goodnight
LivinCridazy: No
LivinCridazy: i toldd you talk to you tommarow
Wano540: i thought you needed the money tomorrow?
Wano540: cause my cusin will meet up with you in a few hours
LivinCridazy: i know i do but ill wait
LivinCridazy: ok good
LivinCridazy: sure i know your lieing
LivinCridazy: bye

So, if this guy or anyone that sounds anything like this contacts you trying to sell something beware cause it may be a scam. Note how I asked him if it had a 3.5"LCD and he answered yes, well it has a 2.5"LCD and also he answered yes to the 1CCD when it really has 3CCDs.

[MacAztec]

Thats crap.

Hey I still have my camera for sale. I will sell it for 1450, so if you can make that much...and want it....let me know...

[rainman::|:|]

Yeah that one screamed scam from about the third line on down. I cannot overstate the need for escrow in all such situations--

Glad you didn't get taken :)

now, i have a bridge in NY and some swampland in florida for sale if anyone's interested ;)

pnw

[Wano]

Originally posted by MacAztec
Thats crap.

Hey I still have my camera for sale. I will sell it for 1450, so if you can make that much...and want it....let me know...

Thanks for the offer. Although, I have a guy who is selling his brand new GL2 for $1400.

Hehe...he just randomly instant messaged me again with the fallowing:
LivinCridazy: money transfer ?
LivinCridazy: westernunion.com or no ?
Wano540: no
LivinCridazy: ok your loss

Does this guy not get he is marked all ever with SCAM!

[Rai]

Good Call, whenever i see someone seem to desperate ( like droppping price quickly), or telling me i have to take the deal now or never. I leave it alone most of the time it is a scam.

Hope they don't someone to wire them money first in the future



Good looking out;)

[springscansing]

lalala.. i wanted to have some fun too! :D

here we go!

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(01:07) Mistar Nicey: hey dude, my friend told me you have a camera for sale
(01:07) LivinCridazy: yea
(01:07) LivinCridazy: i neeed to selll it fasttttt
(01:08) LivinCridazy: i ned cash
(01:08) Mistar Nicey: canon GL2?
(01:08) LivinCridazy: it is a GL2
(01:08) Mistar Nicey: sweet, that's just what i was looking for
(01:08) Mistar Nicey: how much
(01:08) LivinCridazy: ill sell it low you name the price ill sell
(01:08) Mistar Nicey: hmm
(01:08) Mistar Nicey: i donno man, what's fair
(01:08) LivinCridazy: and i will throw in a fisheye mark 2 free
(01:08) LivinCridazy: thats how bad i need cash
(01:08) Mistar Nicey: how much
(01:09) LivinCridazy: umm do you have cash now like on a cc
(01:09) LivinCridazy: card
(01:09) Mistar Nicey: i have a credit card
(01:09) Mistar Nicey: why?
(01:10) LivinCridazy: o
(01:10) LivinCridazy: we will talk about that later
(01:11) Mistar Nicey: okie
(01:11) Mistar Nicey: so how much
(01:11) LivinCridazy: well if you can do it tonight now over a money wire ill sell it for 850$ now with the camera with everything and fisheye
(01:11) LivinCridazy: i need cash really bad by tomamrow you dont understand
(01:11) Mistar Nicey: hmm
(01:11) Mistar Nicey: could i send a postal money order instead?
(01:11) Mistar Nicey: via mail?
(01:13) LivinCridazy: umm what about www.westernunion.com please bro i need cash and ill pack the **** now if you do it and call you or what ever and ill send it tomamrow morning once i get the cash i swear to god
(01:13) LivinCridazy: this isnt no joke
(01:13) LivinCridazy: what so ever
(01:13) Mistar Nicey: hmm
(01:14) Mistar Nicey: i don't actually have a card, its my parents
(01:14) Mistar Nicey: but i can send a money order via mail
(01:14) LivinCridazy: are they awake
(01:14) Mistar Nicey: or cash, whatever is easier for you
(01:14) Mistar Nicey: nah, asleep
(01:14) LivinCridazy: cash is good
(01:14) LivinCridazy: how would we do it
(01:14) LivinCridazy: ?
(01:14) Mistar Nicey: for 850 w/ the free fisheye?
(01:15) LivinCridazy: yea i swear to god all jokes aside
(01:15) Mistar Nicey: kickass.
(01:15) Mistar Nicey: any pictures of the stuff?
(01:15) LivinCridazy: no sorry i dont have a digital camera
(01:15) Mistar Nicey: yeah me neither
(01:15) LivinCridazy: or anything
(01:15) Mistar Nicey: lol
(01:16) LivinCridazy: so listen how can you send the $ asap
(01:16) Mistar Nicey: i can overnight it tomorrow
(01:16) Mistar Nicey: just give me your address
(01:16) LivinCridazy: it will come to my house
(01:16) LivinCridazy: ?
(01:16) Mistar Nicey: i guess so
(01:16) Mistar Nicey: lol
(01:16) LivinCridazy: humm brb
(01:16) Mistar Nicey: give me your home address

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i'll post the rest of it as it happens, this is live baby! ... kinda.

[springscansing]

(01:17) LivinCridazy: post office via mail or ups or what ?
(01:17) Mistar Nicey: either way
(01:17) Mistar Nicey: whatever works for you
(01:19) LivinCridazy: why cant you send westernunion.com
(01:19) Mistar Nicey: no card like i said
(01:19) LivinCridazy: can you see if they are awake and beg them
(01:19) Mistar Nicey: they're asleep man, its 1:20AM
(01:20) LivinCridazy: ummm...
(01:20) LivinCridazy: where do you live
(01:20) Mistar Nicey: NY
(01:21) LivinCridazy: where in NY
(01:21) Mistar Nicey: north of the city
(01:21) Mistar Nicey: about 2 hours
(01:21) Mistar Nicey: why?
(01:21) LivinCridazy: what boro
(01:21) Mistar Nicey: not in any boro, heh
(01:21) Mistar Nicey: warwick, NY
(01:21) Mistar Nicey: is a town
(01:21) LivinCridazy: you live upstate
(01:21) LivinCridazy: by mountains
(01:22) Mistar Nicey: a bit, yes
(01:22) Mistar Nicey: why?
(01:22) LivinCridazy: how far away from new york city like for example world trade center
(01:22) Mistar Nicey: ah.. world trade center
(01:22) Mistar Nicey: 2 hours
(01:22) LivinCridazy: o
(01:23) LivinCridazy: i live in the city deep in though
(01:23) Mistar Nicey: ahh
(01:23) LivinCridazy: listen
(01:23) Mistar Nicey: guess i can't pick it up then
(01:23) LivinCridazy: so tomamrow you can send the $ 1000000%
(01:23) Mistar Nicey: positive
(01:23) LivinCridazy: how can you send cash thought
(01:23) Mistar Nicey: i'll send it off overnight mail
(01:24) LivinCridazy: are you sure you can send cash bills
(01:24) Mistar Nicey: cash or money order
(01:24) Mistar Nicey: i'd send money order but the people at the PO are real dicks
(01:24) Mistar Nicey: so i'll just send concealed cash
(01:24) Mistar Nicey: rather not deal with them
(01:24) Mistar Nicey: PROVIDED i have your word that you're not gonna screw me
(01:25) Mistar Nicey: im not stupid
(01:25) LivinCridazy: yea i no
(01:25) Mistar Nicey: heh
(01:25) LivinCridazy: no way ill never do that
(01:25) Mistar Nicey: so give me your address
(01:25) Mistar Nicey: and i'll send it
(01:26) Mistar Nicey: allo? address?
(01:27) LivinCridazy: 86-02 forest PKWY, APT 3d,woodhaven,NY,11421
(01:27) Mistar Nicey: okie
(01:27) Mistar Nicey: got a phone number?
(01:27) Mistar Nicey: just so i can confirm you sent it and stuff?
(01:27) LivinCridazy: Przemysl ,Starowicz is my name
(01:27) LivinCridazy: 13477242431
(01:27) Mistar Nicey: PRzemysl.. what nationality is that?
(01:27) LivinCridazy: polish
(01:27) LivinCridazy: why
(01:27) Mistar Nicey: im polish too, heh
(01:28) Mistar Nicey: Nowak
(01:28) LivinCridazy: ooo coooooool
(01:28) Mistar Nicey: yep yep
(01:28) Mistar Nicey: is that a cell # or home #?
(01:28) LivinCridazy: home
(01:29) LivinCridazy: i will send the stuff right when i get the $ im 1000% percent ill send overnight if you pay shipping
(01:29) Mistar Nicey: how much to ship?
(01:29) LivinCridazy: overnight would be like 50$
(01:29) Mistar Nicey: to overnight the camera?
(01:30) LivinCridazy: yea
(01:30) Mistar Nicey: okie
(01:30) Mistar Nicey: so 900 then?
(01:30) LivinCridazy: so send 900$ cash
(01:30) LivinCridazy: dude you sure
(01:30) Mistar Nicey: ?
(01:30) Mistar Nicey: whadda ya mean am i sue?
(01:30) Mistar Nicey: sure
(01:30) Mistar Nicey: ?
(01:30) LivinCridazy: yea
(01:31) LivinCridazy: you sure
(01:31) Mistar Nicey: yeah im sure
(01:31) LivinCridazy: ok now
(01:31) Mistar Nicey: you sure you gave me the right #?
(01:31) Mistar Nicey: i don't recall 347 being a real area code
(01:32) LivinCridazy: i know its my cell but its fowarded to my house phone
(01:32) LivinCridazy: why isnt it
(01:32) Mistar Nicey: i donno
(01:32) Mistar Nicey: okie whatever, lol
(01:32) Mistar Nicey: so i'll send the money tomorrow, okie?
(01:33) LivinCridazy: now listen umm... if you send tomamrow when will it come
(01:33) Mistar Nicey: tuesday morning
(01:33) LivinCridazy: what time in the morning
(01:33) LivinCridazy: and you sure it will be cash right
(01:34) LivinCridazy: and will i have to show them id
(01:34) Mistar Nicey: 11AM i think
(01:34) Mistar Nicey: cash cahs cash
(01:34) Mistar Nicey: no ID dude
(01:34) Mistar Nicey: it goes to your house
(01:34) LivinCridazy: ok cool
(01:34) Mistar Nicey: why?
(01:34) LivinCridazy: and once i get it ill go to the ups station with that money and send your camera and lense overnight ok ?
(01:34) LivinCridazy: no just asking
(01:34) Mistar Nicey: okie dokie
(01:35) LivinCridazy: I just want to thankyou so much
(01:35) LivinCridazy: i needed a buyer for almost 1 month
(01:36) LivinCridazy: ?
(01:36) LivinCridazy: ?
(01:36) LivinCridazy: hello
(01:37) LivinCridazy: dude
(01:37) Mistar Nicey: hi
(01:37) Mistar Nicey: im here
(01:37) LivinCridazy: yea
(01:37) Mistar Nicey: heh
(01:37) Mistar Nicey: so all set?
(01:37) LivinCridazy: yep
(01:37) LivinCridazy: you sure dude
(01:38) Mistar Nicey: sure sure sure
(01:38) LivinCridazy: how old are you
(01:38) Mistar Nicey: why?
(01:38) LivinCridazy: j/w
(01:38) Mistar Nicey: rather not say
(01:38) Mistar Nicey: heh
(01:38) LivinCridazy: tell me its ok
(01:38) LivinCridazy: i dont care
(01:38) LivinCridazy: old or young ?
(01:39) LivinCridazy: hello ?

[springscansing]

Then i got board heh. Ah well.

I got an address though.

Who knows how good it is... but its gotta be him or someone who knows him.

Anyone up for a little detective work?

[unc32]

I doubt he is in New York.

If you notice he first says he is in Sante Fe then later states New York. Got his story confused.

[Eniregnat]

The attached photo shows an apartment building in the center that corresponds to the address you noted. The address is a real one, at least thought a Net search.

[Eniregnat]

The area code (347) corresponds to NY (with some conflicting results pointing to Kansas?)

I can not track the exchange, but that is not uncommon for cell phones. Perhaps somebody else will have better luck.

Again- just so nobody gets in trouble for harassment, you might want to remove the sensitive data or at least the specific and email it only to people that want to help. I still think it reads fishy. A camera in NYC for a month with out a buyer at that price, hell I've seen poor knock off Rolex’s go for more in front of St. Patrick’s Cathedral.

[Eniregnat]

Aha- one step closer, at least to verifing some of the information.


Area Code: 347
Prefix: 724
Location: QUEENS
Other Info: PCS

It looks like some of the phone information is true.
It is a cell phone, registered in Queens.

The address is not in Queens, am I correct?

[Eniregnat]

I hope that some of this info helps.

Checking NYC public records and phone books (at least the ones on the web), I did not find any Starowicz Przemysl, but I did find a Przemyslaw in Brookland, just for spelling comparison. I did find a number of Starowiczs, but no Prezemysl Starowicz. I did find a P.J. Starowicz, but the P stands for Paul.

Of strange note I found a number of 38 year olds living in NY with varations on Paul J. Starowicz, with the following residences (cities) BATAVIA (76 years old), BATAVIA, ROCHESTER, WALWORTH, BATAVIA (Paul, Paul - 38)- None in reverse order.

Searching the net in general I found next to nothing.

I hate multiple posting on the same subject, but I think it helps keep the tracking clear.

[Wano]

Originally posted by unc32
I doubt he is in New York.

If you notice he first says he is in Sante Fe then later states New York. Got his story confused.

He is in New York and I am in Santa Fe...sorry I should have distinguished a little more between his words and mine.

[Wano]

Is there some way to actually nail this guy?

[Eniregnat]

I talked to one of the local ADA's about such possible scams.
No crime has been committed yet.
It is much like a Net scam, until a crime is committed there is little that can be done. Second, this is a small crime. Sure pickpockets are nailed after pinching a fiver, but this would require a lot more work. There is no proof that it is a scam yet, though it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and poops like a ...
I wouldn't risk loosing the cash to catch this guy. His hustle is that of an amateur right now. Unfortunately we have helped him hone his skills a little.

Can you still initate a dialoge with this guy.

[Wano]

I will try....why, got any plans?

[Eniregnat]

There is something else to worry about.
Lets say the deal went though, you received your camera for $800 and he got his money, and at some point you try to repair the camera- only when you go back to pick it up the police are there because you have stolen merchandise. Best case scenario, you’re out $800 and a camera. Worst case: you busted for knowingly accepting stolen merchandise because nobody in their right mind would sell a 3ccd camera of that quality for 800, especially when you paid for it in cash.

AS to your question:
No, but I am curious as to what he will try to say now. I'd like to see if he is one of the Pauls that I found.

It is quite possible that he is just super paranoid and honest, the latter being unlikely, but still possible. It is all very odd. You see, if you could find people that had been scammed by this guy, you could contact the police and see if they were interested in doing a sting, also unlikely- but hey- the Krispy Kream could be closed for remolding and you might luck out.

In any case, the sale is not proper. Perhaps it’s a scam, perhaps its stolen, or your supporting a drug habit, etc...

You would think that a pawnshop would give 1/3 to 1/2 of the value (on a new state of the art in the box sealed product), which would be greater than $800.

[Giaguara]

anyone bored enough to see what else this guy invents? :)

[codycartoon]

anyone bored enough to see what else this guy invents?

YES...lol...someone get this guy...he is browsing the wrong forum!

-cody

[Kwyjibo]

theres a few problems with actually nailing him. unless u sent him money and he didn't send you anything you have no evidence he commited a crime. You could find one of his po'd buyers but that would be tough. I doubt he gave a real address but if he did, then you could go and mess with him (or a few of your bigger friends) but that would be tough and he could be using someone elses name. So in the end, you did a service by exposing him but you can't do much until you have more.

[Wano]

I talked to him again tonight and I got some of the same info as springscansing. I am having fun messing with him...here is what went on.
all the stuff about my parents and the postal office is all made up.

Wano540: hi, do you still have the GL3?
LivinCridazy: t
LivinCridazy: no not gl 3 what the heck
LivinCridazy: gl2
Wano540: sorry..my bad, it was a typo, although a gl3 would be sweet..hehe
Wano540: so do you still have it?
LivinCridazy: yea why
Wano540: i talked with my parents and they seem confident, so they said they would buy it for me
LivinCridazy: over westernunion.com
Wano540: either that or money order
Wano540: i think they want to send money order...since my mother works at USPS it will be easier for her
LivinCridazy: when ?
LivinCridazy: no i hate that
LivinCridazy: westernunion
Wano540: why western union?
Wano540: it will get there just as fast
LivinCridazy: fastest ,easy
LivinCridazy: i want that thought
LivinCridazy: and i hate dealing with money orders and stuff
Wano540: i hate dealing with idiots
LivinCridazy: LOL
Wano540: but seriously though, is money order cool?
LivinCridazy: when would you be able to send it through westernunion
LivinCridazy: dude westernunion please and ill drop the price a little
Wano540: they wont do it through western union, cause there credit cards only have like $1500 on em, and that is there emergency back up
Wano540: their*
LivinCridazy: whos
LivinCridazy: 600$ right now and camera yours westernunion
Wano540: they cant do it
LivinCridazy: ok w/e forget it
Wano540: what?
Wano540: fine westernunion.com
LivinCridazy: when ?
Wano540: what is your name and account?
Wano540: right now
LivinCridazy: what you mean name and account
Wano540: for westernunion
Wano540: dont you need an account or something?
LivinCridazy: i dont have one
LivinCridazy: no just go to westernunion.com
Wano540: ok, now what?
LivinCridazy: and find moneytrasfer on the right side where it says send now
Wano540: ok done...next?
LivinCridazy: what do you see ?
LivinCridazy: ?
Wano540: hold on...i am reading an e-mail...brb
LivinCridazy: how do i know your not messing with my head
LivinCridazy: and not really gonna send the cash
LivinCridazy: your swear yu are ?
Wano540: how the hell do i know you are gonna send the camcorder????
Wano540: i am giving you money first fool..ok!
LivinCridazy: cause i will im not that messed up
LivinCridazy: ok
LivinCridazy: well what do you see on the page
Wano540: how the hell do I know
Wano540: it's got the payment option
LivinCridazy: how
Wano540: to freking pay for the transfer
LivinCridazy: where did you click
LivinCridazy: under sendnow in yellow Money transfer ?
LivinCridazy: ?
Wano540: hehe...i accidentaly hit telegram
LivinCridazy: money transfer
LivinCridazy: LOL no prob
Wano540: ok now what?
LivinCridazy: what do you see
LivinCridazy: ?
Wano540: recievers name and so on
LivinCridazy: ok now you have to fill ,my name in and so on
LivinCridazy: first name is
LivinCridazy: Przemysl
LivinCridazy: last is Starowicz
LivinCridazy: amount 600$ right ?
Wano540: yeah
LivinCridazy: tell me when your done with that
Wano540: done

LivinCridazy: city
LivinCridazy: woodhaven
LivinCridazy: state New york
LivinCridazy: country USA
LivinCridazy: done ?
LivinCridazy: ?
Wano540: what the hell......yeah...but now my mom is saying 'well, $345 is all we have on the card
Wano540: argh!
Wano540: ****...is there any other way
LivinCridazy: umm you can send 300$ now and rest when you get it but you have to give me your contact info ?
Wano540: hey give me your number and we can talk over the phone....since this instant mesaging is getting old
LivinCridazy: no not right now its hella late
Wano540: what's the difference
Wano540: well give it to me and i'll call you first thing in the morning
LivinCridazy: ok
LivinCridazy: 13477422431
LivinCridazy: can you send 300$
Wano540: let me see
LivinCridazy: and ill send the camera and send rest when you se the camera and confirm to me you like it
Wano540: nah...my mom wants to do it all at once
Wano540: she says we can do it through a moneyorder sameday
Wano540: and that would actually be faster than westernunion
LivinCridazy: but i dont know how to cash one
Wano540: it's really simple man, i think
LivinCridazy: how do you cash
Wano540: oh she says you can pick it up at the postal office nearest you and cash it there
LivinCridazy: ok
Wano540: so you dont mind that?
LivinCridazy: what do you have to bring to cash it ?

Wano540: bring your id and proof of address
LivinCridazy: ask here if she sure thats it
LivinCridazy: her
Wano540: ok hold on
LivinCridazy: brb
Wano540: ok here is the deal.....either you bring an id and some sort of proof of address such as a phone bill or something...or you can bring an id that has your address on it.
LivinCridazy: is she sure
LivinCridazy: and how will i recive the money order
Wano540: oh yeah, the adress needs to match the adress the money order is addressed to
Wano540: pick it up
Wano540: or have it sent to your house
LivinCridazy: how will i know when it arrives
Wano540: hum....good question
Wano540: let me check
Wano540: ok it will arrive with your normal mail, the fallowing day or if you decide to pick it up you can do so by 9pm
LivinCridazy: i want to pick it up
LivinCridazy: when will i know its here
LivinCridazy: so i can go pick up
Wano540: it will arrive between2-5pm
LivinCridazy: when
Wano540: i dont know man!
LivinCridazy: w/e dude
LivinCridazy: ill talk to ya tomarow aight
LivinCridazy: peace

[cb911]

dude, that is some funny stuff! :D

yeah, there's alot of scammers out there, unfortunately.

so, Wano, what's your next move? are you seriously going to try and bust this guy?

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by paulwhannel
Yeah that one screamed scam from about the third line on down. I cannot overstate the need for escrow in all such situations--

Glad you didn't get taken :)

now, i have a bridge in NY and some swampland in florida for sale if anyone's interested ;)

pnw

Escrow is great but never use the Escrow service they suggest. Find a reputable one on your own and use them.

I saw a show a while back where this guy bought a new Mercedes off of eBay site unseen (moron, never ever buy a motor vehicle site unseen). They used Escrow for the transaction but guess what? The Escrow service was a fake one setup by the scamers. They guy is now out 50k+ no car no justice.

[Wano]

Originally posted by cb911
dude, that is some funny stuff! :D

yeah, there's alot of scammers out there, unfortunately.

so, Wano, what's your next move? are you seriously going to try and bust this guy?

It would be cool, but I douby I could unless I fly up there myself...hehe...I am just having fun messing with this idiot.

[illumin8]

Lately on eBay I have seen some deals that are too good to be true, for example:

Bundle:

15" TiBook, 1Ghz, 1GB SDRAM
23" Apple Cinema Display
Both brand new in box, never used...

Buy it now price of $2850...

The seller account had really good feedback, but when you start looking at all of the individual auctions that the account had processed, they were all for little arts and crafts items that were only a few dollars each.

Apparently people are hijacking accounts that belong to little old ladies selling trinkets on eBay and posting fraudulent auctions for high dollar items like laptops, etc.

They probably have the purchaser Paypal them the money (possibly even to a hijacked Paypal account), then transfer it to their own Paypal account and withdraw the cash.

This auction was just up last night, but after I checked tonight it has been removed (last night it showed 3 days left).

Be careful out there folks! The moral of the story is: if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

[arogge]

Originally posted by illumin8
They probably have the purchaser Paypal them the money (possibly even to a hijacked Paypal account), then transfer it to their own Paypal account and withdraw the cash.

That's what happened to me, and PayPal refused to do anything about it. They told me that I must attempt to resolve the fraud issue with the seller before they would even look at my case. After I tried that, PayPal claimed that I was outside of the time limit and they wouldn't take any action. I finally got the fraudster's eBay account shut down, but I lost the money that I had sent through PayPal.

[cb911]

so Wano, have you had any more chats with that guy? make sure you keep us posted! :D

[Wano]

ok this guy, instant messaged me again saying he was a poor 11 year old kid who needed the money to buy clothes. he also said he wanted to sell his gl1 now instead of his gl2...this was about two weeks ago and i just blew him off cause he is just way to fishy.

now get this, some kid instant messaged me with another screen name asking me if i wanted to buy a gl1 for cheap, like $700-900. the funky part is that he said he skates, which i do to...so there was a little trust in him. so we start talking and he doesnt know much about skating causae i kind of put him to the test. but, he seemed more real this time(of it's the same guy). then i go on and ask him where he lives and guess what!?!?!?! WOODHAVEN, NEW YORK!...same place as the other guy(or same guy). then he goes on saying that i am sounding fishy..which i can sorta understand since i toled him to f---- off at first. but anyways he wouldnt sell it to me after he tole me where he lives.

if it is the same guy, i just dont understand how he found out that i skate.

oh well.....wonder if this will go any further...hehe

[G5orbust]

Originally posted by Wano


if it is the same guy, i just dont understand how he found out that i skate.



well, he probably took a gamble on that one. A con artist might try to make some sort of personal connection. They usually present random questions ("do you skate?" "what sports do you do?", stuff like that) to get that crucial bit of familiarity and trust. Im not expert, but that seems like a pattern that con artists follow.

By the way, this guy is stupid. The least he could do is switch up his merchendise especially if he isnt actually planning on giving it to you...

Just my thoughts.

[Wano]

when i say skate i mean aggressive in-line skating and hardly anyone knows what that is...some how he must have gotten some info on me.

[Eniregnat]

Wano

TimBuk2 bag, and you do some sort of sport agressively, never.
I have a Timbuk2 bag (http://timbuk2.com/) as well as a Boblebee Megalopolis (http://www.boblbee.com/jsp/public/general/homepage.jsp) hard shell backpack. Good stuff.

A good con artist will be able to pick up minor things and expand on them. They also know how to gage a mark and will make edcuaded guesses. Try the movie Leap of faith (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0104695). I still think it's a kid or teen, and

As for the skating, man save the gonads. There is something fundamentally wrong with any sport that places the genitalia inline with mettle railings and walls. Cool, I used to blade, but not as skillfully as you.

Well the game was fun while it lasted.

[oregon_rolla]

LivinCridazy: Hello Are you there?
rolloregon503: yea
rolloregon503: who is this
LivinCridazy: are you intrested in buying skates or afish eye lense
rolloregon503: what sk8s
LivinCridazy: 03 remedyz
LivinCridazy: brand new never touched
rolloregon503: size?
LivinCridazy: got from my boy and my boy got from kato
LivinCridazy: what size you where
rolloregon503: 8
rolloregon503: ?
LivinCridazy: omg you kiding
LivinCridazy: thats the exact size
rolloregon503: no
rolloregon503: really
rolloregon503: u got pic
LivinCridazy: nope i dont have a digital cam
LivinCridazy: they are brand new in box
rolloregon503: were u at
LivinCridazy: with white fiziks
rolloregon503: ?
rolloregon503: what state u live in
LivinCridazy: NY right now for 5 days at my boys i live in eroupe though
rolloregon503: o
rolloregon503: how much u selling them for
rolloregon503: ?
LivinCridazy: 150$
rolloregon503: wow
rolloregon503: r u for real
LivinCridazy: yes
rolloregon503: would u trade
LivinCridazy: no i need $ so i can bring back to eruope
rolloregon503: o i dont got no money
LivinCridazy: darn
rolloregon503: i would trade + 30 bucks and new db's
rolloregon503: my sk8s have new linnersa
rolloregon503: new bs plates
LivinCridazy: what kind skates
rolloregon503: new souls
rolloregon503: usd thrones
rolloregon503: size 8
rolloregon503: or 9
rolloregon503: ?
LivinCridazy: got a pic
rolloregon503: http://www.geocities.com/loogyhead/4sale.html
rolloregon503: they got black bs plates and the metricks and ill give u some black kizer new also
LivinCridazy: what about the deshi
rolloregon503: those r all messed up
rolloregon503: linner is ripped
LivinCridazy: how
LivinCridazy: and ?
LivinCridazy: i really want deshi
rolloregon503: there not mine and plus it has a really big rip in the heel add the pading is gone and the lether is ripped
rolloregon503: what if i can get deshi
rolloregon503: ?
LivinCridazy: ok then we got a trade
LivinCridazy: would you sell the ripped deshi
rolloregon503: to u
LivinCridazy: yes
rolloregon503: yea
LivinCridazy: how much
rolloregon503: im gonna fix the linner
LivinCridazy: no i could do that
rolloregon503: my friend has umm he is fixinf them
LivinCridazy: are the souls good
rolloregon503: do the remz run big
LivinCridazy: nope
rolloregon503: ok
rolloregon503: yea the souls r good
rolloregon503: o yea and u would have to send first
LivinCridazy: No forget it these are brand new skates for new skates never and i have gotten ripped of once from some kid in NYC that i wanted to see down here very bad and never will send first no matter what
LivinCridazy: i have shima 4 too
LivinCridazy: that are pretty new im skateing with now
LivinCridazy: size 8
rolloregon503: would u trade those
LivinCridazy: yea but ill never send first
rolloregon503: ok then sry i got ipped 2 times and im the same way ill give u my # and my moms # u can talk to here and talk to my dad only if u give me something really import on u them just just just ,aybe i might send first
LivinCridazy: my skates cost too much
rolloregon503: my sk8s r new too
LivinCridazy: well i dunno
rolloregon503: ?
LivinCridazy: im not sending first forsure
LivinCridazy: so i guess trade is off
rolloregon503: same time?
LivinCridazy: sorry im just trying to be safe
rolloregon503: we give traking #
LivinCridazy: same time thats sound better
rolloregon503: so whats up?
LivinCridazy: but what if you say ok im gonna go send and you stay home give me a fake tracking and i really go send it and give you tracking then i get ripped off
rolloregon503: ill still give u my #'s and other people i traded wit
rolloregon503: screen names
LivinCridazy: o cool
LivinCridazy: ill tusth you
rolloregon503: yea
rolloregon503: u have to do the same
LivinCridazy: now wha we gonna trade
LivinCridazy: and when
rolloregon503: give me your # and other peep sn
rolloregon503: u traded wit
rolloregon503: umm
rolloregon503: hold on
rolloregon503: my #'s r
rolloregon503: 503 430 8698 - home -- 503 330 4669 -cell cory fuller
rolloregon503: whats yourd
LivinCridazy: # is 1347-724-2431
LivinCridazy: we need to do this before thursday because im leaveing thursday to eroupe form new york
LivinCridazy: from
rolloregon503: whats your name
LivinCridazy: Pete staroiz
rolloregon503: ok
rolloregon503: can i call u now
rolloregon503: i have to get off
LivinCridazy: no way
rolloregon503: y?
LivinCridazy: ill ttyl
LivinCridazy: too late
LivinCridazy: my lil brother is sleeping and stuff
LivinCridazy: and my cuson wil kill me
LivinCridazy: and my boy will flip cause its his phone
LivinCridazy: he owns the house
rolloregon503: how do i no that your not gonna rip me off?
LivinCridazy: cause you can call me and im not that stupid
rolloregon503: what sk8s r u giving me?
LivinCridazy: what you want remedyz or shima 4s
rolloregon503: the remz
rolloregon503: and they got white fiziks?
LivinCridazy: yea
rolloregon503: what wheels
LivinCridazy: mindgame
rolloregon503: r u giving me 4 or 8
rolloregon503: i only have 4
rolloregon503: si give me 4
LivinCridazy: ok cool
rolloregon503: yea
rolloregon503: 1979 ne thomas st hillsboro oregon 97124 cory fuller
rolloregon503: and your add
rolloregon503: how did u et te remz ?>>>>>>>>
rolloregon503: get
rolloregon503: the
rolloregon503: remz
rolloregon503: u there
rolloregon503: ?
rolloregon503: ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????
LivinCridazy: 86-02 forest Pkwy ,apt 4j ,woodhaven,NY,11421
LivinCridazy: got it ?
rolloregon503: yea
LivinCridazy: OK cool
LivinCridazy: is there anyway you can send the stuff by tomamrow and send 2-3 day shipping
rolloregon503: im gonna send it 2 day shipping
rolloregon503: r u gonna do the same
LivinCridazy: yes forsure
LivinCridazy: what size are those thrones
rolloregon503: 9
rolloregon503: or 8
rolloregon503: what linners u want
LivinCridazy: if noine it will be better
LivinCridazy: nine
rolloregon503: size 9 is the new one
LivinCridazy: what new one
rolloregon503: the new richard linner
LivinCridazy: what liners you got
rolloregon503: richard
rolloregon503: 's
LivinCridazy: yo i really want those deshi though i never tried deshi thats whats funny i want them sooooooo bad
rolloregon503: oooooooo
LivinCridazy: i dont care if there ripped as long as you got god frames and good wheels and good souls then i ant them
LivinCridazy: is there anyway you can get them
rolloregon503: not buy thursday
LivinCridazy: darn
LivinCridazy: you know what ill take the thrones they look tight
rolloregon503: kool
LivinCridazy: you have any other skates
rolloregon503: y do u have to be in eourupe by thursday
LivinCridazy: my plane flight
rolloregon503: i u can stay in da us till satrday i can have the deshis to u
rolloregon503: u will have them satrday
LivinCridazy: noo way i cant cancel a plane flight for skates
rolloregon503: just rerange your air flight
rolloregon503: call and say i need to leave satrday night and the'll do it for free
LivinCridazy: seriously
LivinCridazy: but when will you shipp
rolloregon503: im not kidding
rolloregon503: i swear
LivinCridazy: wensday
rolloregon503: yea i thinkn ill have them by then
rolloregon503: i swear to god ill ship them to u
LivinCridazy: but they have to be here saturday
rolloregon503: spyglass52 Iceman4608 ShwedishFish im them there the ones i traded wit
rolloregon503: i no thell should be there friday
rolloregon503: they will
LivinCridazy: ok i belive you
LivinCridazy: ok cool
rolloregon503: yeap
LivinCridazy: ill do it the deshi with some good frames and 30$
LivinCridazy: what frames you have
rolloregon503: DJeL l Y 84 even talk to him i no im he is tight he is my friend i traded him
rolloregon503: ummm new kizer lan fluids
rolloregon503: is that kool
LivinCridazy: yea hell yea
LivinCridazy: the kizers
rolloregon503: so send tem out tommorrow send them by proridy mail and get insurince and delivery comfynation just so u have that and im gonna do the same ok just incause they get lost
rolloregon503: or if u dont get the delviry comfer nation i could always say they never got here
rolloregon503: but if u do u no i cant
LivinCridazy: but you said you cant get the deshi tommarow
rolloregon503: i no im gonna have them wensday
rolloregon503: send out tommorrow and im gonna send out wensday in the morning
LivinCridazy: no i wanna do it same time
rolloregon503: right when i get the deshi
rolloregon503: ?
LivinCridazy: yea
rolloregon503: ok
rolloregon503: then ill try to get them tommorrow
rolloregon503: im gonna call my friend hold on
LivinCridazy: ok

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rolloregon503: im talking to him'
rolloregon503: he says he gots them all fixed
rolloregon503: hond on
LivinCridazy: cool
rolloregon503: hold*
rolloregon503: SWEET he said he would send them out wit the 30 bucks and kizer frames because he has the same frames as me there in great shape to he dont got them grovved or notin and he said he can ship them out tommorrow to u i would but he lives 2 hours away and i was just there this weekend and im only 13 and dont have a car or i would go get them

[oregon_rolla]

thats not all of it i have a another whole long thing the 2nd time i talked to him and also the other half of the one i just posted

[g30ffr3y]

that phone number he keeps giving out [347-742-2431] is not registered to that guy... its a sprint pcs number in bayside new york... im not going to give out someones personal info, but its not this starowitz guy... its definately a scam...

[Wano]

orgean rolla,
did you see my post on be-mag?
i think i got this little ********* over to that site, cause he got some personal info on me or something and found out i skated.
i dont think he skates at all.

[Eniregnat]

Wano, I still think your paranoid on this one.

I found this site when I typed in wano540.
http://www.skatepile.com/Content/chat/chatlogs/alexbroskow.asp

A good scam artist would do his/her homework.

Teoma has links to a scate forum that you participate in.

Google and Inktomi have links to Mac forums.

[Wano]

Originally posted by Eniregnat
Wano, I still think your paranoid on this one.

I found this site when I typed in wano540.
http://www.skatepile.com/Content/chat/chatlogs/alexbroskow.asp

A good scam artist would do his/her homework.

Teoma has links to a scate forum that you participate in.

Google and Inktomi have links to Mac forums.

Where did you type in Wano540?

[oregon_rolla]

yea i did see your post on be mag lol that was funny yo im me when u get back on rolloregon503


later cory

[Eniregnat]

Originally posted by Wano
Where did you type in Wano540?

MSN, which I figure used both the Teoma and Google search engines. Teoma has hits to your wano540 name. You might want to try some meta-search engines just to see what's out there. There is little you can do, less pull your post. I wouldn't worry about it.

There are a lot of neat things you can do on the net. Heck, I found a satellite image of the guys neighborhood. Digital fingerprints have a long latency, but are hard to trace to the source.

[Yomama]

Wano.

I would set up a website with some pictures on it and send this guy to the website. Just tell him to check out your stuff and maybe you and him can trade some stuff + some money on top. Embed a php script so you can get his IP adress etc. Just a thought.


hehehe

[Wano]

Ok, I guess there is an FBI investigation going on!...i hope it's true. anyways, he has been trying to rip everyone off, check it out http://www.be-mag.com/msgboard/viewtopic.php?p=162038#162038