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Dec 19, 2006, 07:39 AM
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MacBoobsPro
Dec 19, 2006, 07:43 AM
Meh... their loss!

Queso
Dec 19, 2006, 07:47 AM
Well, I hope the transition to Windows fulfills everything they want it to. Once the support people get their Microsoft blinkers fitted, Redmond gets to write their own cheques.

Surely a migration to Linux with occasional Mac or Windows where needed would better suit the requirements for a school district. Or is that too sensible for a civil servant?

bwintx
Dec 19, 2006, 07:53 AM
Smells like either an under-the-table payoff or incredible ignorance -- or maybe both -- where the appropriate "public servants" are involved.

jephrey
Dec 19, 2006, 08:12 AM
Well, my kids will be in district 300, I just got hit with a 3% increase in taxes for those bastards. I live in west dundee (next to carpentersville). Carpentersville is fairly low income, but D300 spans a couple different communities and there is a large contingent of "rich" families as well. I don't understand the change, especially now with the surge of macs out there, but maybe they think the kids are having too much fun and not concentrating on word/excel.

Crap. I suppose I'll be sending my kids to school with laptops.

J

Swarmlord
Dec 19, 2006, 08:27 AM
More appropriate technology? How does Windows fit that bill? Of course, the article mentions that the average age of the Macs they own are 8 years. I think that any computer would seem a little threadbare at that age.

bbyrdhouse
Dec 19, 2006, 08:43 AM
This has to be the most ill informed district superintendant in the country.

Does he really think that switching to windows will keep the kids from downloading music and movies? It really does sound like a payoff to me.

People use Windows in the "real world"...c'mon! Last time I checked Apple's marketshare was increasing.

Just smells to me...

twanto
Dec 19, 2006, 08:49 AM
Man you fanboys are so BITTER. It makes sense for kids to learn what 95% of the world uses, doesn't it? I mean, except for that pipedream of OSX actually competing with windowns one day.

Queso
Dec 19, 2006, 08:54 AM
To be honest I think he's just trying to turn D300's computing environment into something that resembles the one at his last employer. Rather than learn anything new, he wants to change the network into what he already knows.

Quite pathetic really.

Man you fanboys are so BITTER. It makes sense for kids to learn what 95% of the world uses, doesn't it? I mean, except for that pipedream of OSX actually competing with windowns one day.
Kids who learned on OSX five years ago would have a head start on Vista today. As long as Microsoft continue to copy Apple in "look and feel" of the OS, that will still be the case five years from now.

netdog
Dec 19, 2006, 09:01 AM
I don't think it matters one bit whether they use Windows or OS X.

FleurDuMal
Dec 19, 2006, 09:05 AM
Man you fanboys are so BITTER. It makes sense for kids to learn what 95% of the world uses, doesn't it? I mean, except for that pipedream of OSX actually competing with windowns one day.

I recall from my school days that the bread and butter of all IT classes was pretty much enitrely Word and Excel, both of which are available on the OSX platform. So really it makes no difference.

SeanMcg
Dec 19, 2006, 09:14 AM
Man you fanboys are so BITTER. It makes sense for kids to learn what 95% of the world uses, doesn't it? I mean, except for that pipedream of OSX actually competing with windowns one day.

I'll admit that Mac users have a LOT more affection for their computers than those that use Windows, with good reason: we have a quality operating system on quality hardware.

However, this IT director is an idiot. The simple facts that today's Macs run on Intel chips and can run multiple operating systems make them an inherently better value. Add in the fact that many studies have shown that today's Macs actually cost less than comparably-equipped WinTel machines, and this guy clearly doesn't know what he is talking about. They could buy Macs and never run the MacOS if they didn't want to.

Any good IT department will know how to properly configure a lab environment and policies to streamline maintenance. Perhaps he should invest in that instead.

MacBoobsPro
Dec 19, 2006, 09:33 AM
Man you fanboys are so BITTER. It makes sense for kids to learn what 95% of the world uses, doesn't it? I mean, except for that pipedream of OSX actually competing with windowns one day.

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mkrishnan
Dec 19, 2006, 09:46 AM
I'm just sad that this thread isn't about an even more insane Canon dSLR.... :D

Meh, kids need to learn about important things like spyware checkers and antivirus software.

Also MySpace displays properly on Internet Explorer. :)

Snowy_River
Dec 19, 2006, 11:01 AM
I'm just sad that this thread isn't about an even more insane Canon dSLR.... :D

Well, it really can't be that, as the D300 is just the Digital Rebel. Nothing new there.

Meh, kids need to learn about important things like spyware checkers and antivirus software.

Also MySpace displays properly on Internet Explorer. :)

You know, I hadn't thought of that! This must be the reasoning behind this decision.

At the school where I worked the past two years, they have a slew of computers that are all PCs, all about 4 years old, and all running XP. Oh, and they are all as slow as dogs. The students hate them. One student, in trying to make a point about how slow the computers were, called me over to show me something. He showed me that he could type faster than Word could display what he typed. At one point, he got about five letters ahead of Word. It was disgusting.

I wonder if the school was equipped with 4 year old Macs if they would have been facing the same issue...?

On a related note, about 8 or 9 years ago there was a new superintendent in the Portland Public School district. He hired a new Technology Specialist who decreed that there would be an immediate moratorium on all Macintosh purchases. At the time, the entire school district was equipped with Macs. As you might imagine, this did not go over well. Especially given his reasoning that Macintosh computers were obsolete technology, or something like that. I wish I could remember exactly what he said.

Honestly, though, I don't have a problem with having PCs around. Even having them be a majority isn't necessarily a bad thing (given that, like it or not, the majority of computers in the work world are Windows PCs). But taking a draconian stance of eliminating all Macs is just stupid. Even eliminating all Macs from HS level while preserving them at lower levels is just stupid. Macs and PCs do a pretty good job of playing well together, at this point. So, why not allow for a choice.

Say, imagine this... A classroom with eight computers. Six of them are PCs running Windows, and two of them are Macs. Students are allowed to use both operating systems and (GASP!) learn what's good and bad about each. I have an image of a group of students crowded around the Macs while the PCs sit unused :D.

mkrishnan
Dec 19, 2006, 11:17 AM
Well, it really can't be that, as the D300 is just the Digital Rebel. Nothing new there.

:D That's the 300D. You never know. Just flip the letters around, add a few megapixels, reduce the noise at high ISO, improve the metering system. :)

I think exposure to Windows is probably a good thing, though... so I do have mixed feelings. Whatever works for them. But it sounds like a big waste of money to constantly be replacing computers with "more appropriate" ones....

mrsebastian
Dec 19, 2006, 11:27 AM
"The task force has to develop an implementation that takes into consideration... The 11-member task force will mainly determine the sequence of the transition and incorporate the previous budget planning into the process."

translation: they're going to get a group of people together, pay them lots of unnecessary money to sit in a room for a few years (which they could spend on the computers instead, duh). they'll come back with a bible sized book of obtuse words telling us they'll be implementing winblowz in the next 5-7 years.

literal translation: job security for a group of tech guys for the next 10-15 years.

garyhoare
Dec 19, 2006, 11:33 AM
I think they've missed the point that teachers use these computers to teach math, science, english, etc.

They aren't teaching Mac OS X or Windows or computer science.

They're using the technology to teach; they aren't teaching the technology, especially at the ages we're talking about.

And you'll notice, no one asked the teachers which platform they'd rather use.

Queso
Dec 19, 2006, 11:36 AM
And you'll notice, no one asked the teachers which platform they'd rather use.
They very rarely do, but if they do ask the answer is frequently discounted if it conflicts with their already drawn up plans.

What would teachers know about technology anyway? Most of them haven't even got MCSEs :rolleyes:

mkrishnan
Dec 19, 2006, 11:37 AM
translation: they're going to get a group of people together, pay them lots of unnecessary money to sit in a room for a few years (which they could spend on the computers instead, duh). they'll come back with a bible sized book of obtuse words telling us they'll be implementing winblowz in the next 5-7 years.

literal translation: job security for a group of tech guys for the next 10-15 years.

No, no, that thinking is really passe in the IT world nowadays. It used to be that it would be sufficient to make major unnecessary changes once every 5-7 years, but now the mindshare has moved towards the consensus that mid-cycle refreshes are necessary. At that a 2.0 version of the thought document is released revealing that "unforeseen pressures combined with the relentless progress of the free market and the ruthless pursuit of efficiency on the part of the information technology community have led to a unique situation in which our leveraged resources are poised to make quantum gains by radically restructuring the way we do business."

Literal translation: In a few years they'll switch back to MacOS and tout it as a victory. :D

shamino
Dec 19, 2006, 12:57 PM
This has to be the most ill informed district superintendant in the country.

Does he really think that switching to windows will keep the kids from downloading music and movies? It really does sound like a payoff to me.
It's called empire building.

If you have a district full of computers that are still working well after 8 years, then you probably don't need much support staff, which means fewer people on the payroll, meaning a smaller budget.

If you replace them with a bunch of computers that are constantly getting destroyed by viruses, worms and spyware, then you will need a much larger support staff. More people means more budget. Plus you'll have to replace/upgrade them in a year or two when some new application comes out that requires Vista - meaning yet another excuse to grow the budget. More budget means you can hit up the county for tax hikes.

The alleged purpose of the computers (education) is completely irrelevant.

winmacguy
Dec 19, 2006, 01:07 PM
In the real world companies like Ford use Mac minis to build American made cars for Americans.
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/12/19/miniford/index.php

Quote:The alleged purpose of the computers (education) is completely irrelevant.End Quote
Well put shamino!

Snowy_River
Dec 19, 2006, 02:03 PM
:D That's the 300D. You never know. Just flip the letters around, add a few megapixels, reduce the noise at high ISO, improve the metering system. :)

You're right. Actually, the D300 would be a Nikon. Probably a successor to the D200, the current competitor to the Digital Rebel. (Because Nikon uses this naming scheme, you can be sure the Canon won't.)

I think exposure to Windows is probably a good thing, though... so I do have mixed feelings. Whatever works for them. But it sounds like a big waste of money to constantly be replacing computers with "more appropriate" ones....

If you read the article, they currently have both Macs and PCs. What this is saying isn't that they are going to have exposure to Windows where they don't now, but rather that they're not going to have exposure to Macs where they do now. This is what I'm objecting to.

I think they've missed the point that teachers use these computers to teach math, science, english, etc.

They aren't teaching Mac OS X or Windows or computer science.

They're using the technology to teach; they aren't teaching the technology, especially at the ages we're talking about.

And you'll notice, no one asked the teachers which platform they'd rather use.

Well put. I know that I was never asked about what kind of computers I'd like to have in my class room. And for everything that I did, and everything that the students did, even when learning computer science, they could have just as easily done it on a Mac as on Windows.

jettredmont
Dec 19, 2006, 03:10 PM
Man you fanboys are so BITTER. It makes sense for kids to learn what 95% of the world uses, doesn't it? I mean, except for that pipedream of OSX actually competing with windowns one day.

95% of the world gets out to work between 8:00 and 9:00 in the morning, works in cubicles until 5:00, goes home, and pays mortgages. I don't think that would be appropriate to thrust kids into either.

The computers are a tool for learning. The OS encapsulates the software. Which OS they use matters not one whit. Do you really think EITHER OS X or Windows are so hard to use that a student "trained" on one wouldn't be able to pick the other one up in about fifteen minutes?

No, that is the absolute wrong way to make decisions on what computers should be used in schools. It needs to be centered on the educational materials available on each platform, and the seamlessness of the students' experience. Third, of course, then come pricing considerations (given that there's not a major difference there).

Now, I can't speak to the educational materials available. It seems fairly even in that respect, with Windows likely having a slight edge. On the "seamlessness" criteria, though, IMHO Macs win out hand over fist.

I mean, it's great that you want to teach our students how to tweak the Registry so that their display driver doesn't crash; they need to get used to crap like that because that's what they'll be hit with in the "real world", right? I mean, unless of course Microsoft gets off their butts and actually improves Windows so that they don't need to do that crap, making the hours of time spent "learning" these skills useless. I think it would be a better use of their time, however, to teach them, say, English and History and Math instead.

SeaFox
Dec 19, 2006, 09:46 PM
Smells like either an under-the-table payoff or incredible ignorance -- or maybe both -- where the appropriate "public servants" are involved.

You notice he doesn't mention any sort of cost benefit to purchasing cheap Wintel hardware? It would be kind of hard to make an argument like that, and then talk about buying the $200 keyboards with integrated screens. ;)