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MacRumors
Dec 19, 2006, 01:17 PM
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With Apple's iPod Hi Fi currently sitting in 4th place (http://business2.blogs.com/utilitybelt/2006/09/the_first_of_ma.html) amongst iPod speaker sets (and second in revenue), Apple appears to be continuing development of its iPod speaker accessory line.

A recent job posting (http://jobs.apple.com/index.ajs?BID=1&method=mExternal.showJob&RID=30&CurrentPage=1) on Apple's website calls for acoustic engineers to "be responsible for the design and development of many aspects of consumer loudspeaker systems such as Apple’s Hi Fi - including enclosure design, passive and active filter design, transducer design, and design validation."

In addition, AppleInsider reports that at one point this year Apple was preparing a smaller version (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2314) of the Hi Fi that would cater to the sub-$199 speaker market. The unit supposedly didn't proceed beyond the test build phase.



DavidLeblond
Dec 19, 2006, 01:18 PM
ho hum :rolleyes:

Harpo
Dec 19, 2006, 01:20 PM
I'm surprised to find it's doing that well! I heard nothing but groans of disappointment when it first came out.

MacVault
Dec 19, 2006, 01:28 PM
The iPod HI FI has to be one of the least interesting products Apple has ever released. They should save their development resources for other things, such as refining OS X, computer hardware, etc. Let the third party manufacturers make the iPod Hi Fi gadgets, IMHO :cool:

davey-nb
Dec 19, 2006, 01:31 PM
I hate it when people say "...if only this product had features I want I would buy it..." , BUT really, if the Hi-Fi had built in Airport and an FM tuner, I definately would buy it.
I know many Americans moan that there is no radio worth listening to but in Canada and Europe, there is.
Having those components built in lessens the wire clutter and makes for a cleaner setup.
The sound is pretty great already.

miketcool
Dec 19, 2006, 01:31 PM
I'm surprised to find it's doing that well! I heard nothing but groans of disappointment when it first came out.

This is in no way aimed at you harpo; :D
The Hi Fi 2 could be perfect, absolutely flawless on every level, and priced at $100. But then every audiophile aside from the one the unit seemed tailored to would hate it. They harp about everything, and I've said it before, the HiFi is amazing. It is simple, uncomplicated, and wireless. It's another great Apple standalone unit. Whine all you want, but this is about as high quality, without complication as you can get to great sound. Find another unit out there that matches all the specs this one does and we'll talk. But this thing is easy, and because people think the iPod is easy, they get it.

ChrisA
Dec 19, 2006, 01:35 PM
The iPod HI FI has to be one of the least interesting products Apple has ever released. They should save their development resources for other things, such as refining OS X, computer hardware, etc. Let the third party manufacturers make the iPod Hi Fi gadgets, IMHO :cool:

Did you not read the part of the article where it said "second in revenue". this means they have beaten EVERY speaker system except one. There are zillions of ipod speakers from Bose, JBL and others and Apple has beaten almost ALL of them were it counts in n revenue. Sounds like they've got a hit

I'm very surprised that Apple's iPod hifi is doing so well but if it is, it makes sense for Apple to invest more in something that is making money.

iJon
Dec 19, 2006, 01:36 PM
Has anyone listened to or heard of the iMaingo. This thing is frickin' sweet. It's by far the cheapest and loudest sound out of many iPod speakers I've seen. It blows away most similar items from Altec Lansing and JBL. I'm pretty sure you can only buy them at Apple Specialists but they are going to have big booths at both CES and MacWorld I believe.

http://imaingo.com/

jon

mkrishnan
Dec 19, 2006, 01:39 PM
Has anyone listened to or heard of the iMaingo.

Interesting! Do you own one?

Squonk
Dec 19, 2006, 01:42 PM
4th in sales and 2nd in revenue - go Apple!!! I had no idea.

What has me excited is the prospect of a great sounding (for the price and purpose) alarm clock w/iPod & iPhone dock connector. Yes, JBL and iHome make these and to be fair, I have not heard the JBL, but I didn't think much of the iHome when I auditioned it in Best Buy.

Anyway, what I like is the idea of docking my Apple phone so that it charges at night and serves as my music source to wake up to. I think this would be the only reason that I'd want music on my phone besides ringtones.

And I'd really like it if the clock/stereo projected the time on the ceiling. Put all of these in one and I'm there.

I suspect that Apple is not going to go for the alarm clock crowd at all, but I'll keep my eyes open for that.

Demon Hunter
Dec 19, 2006, 01:46 PM
This is very good news. I love my Hi-Fi!

SciTeach
Dec 19, 2006, 01:52 PM
Improvement on the HIFI systems will be great. I'm sure Apple is planning on better development to work with the new home systems they are thinking of.

Just as long they have a volume control that goes to "11":D

macintel4me
Dec 19, 2006, 01:54 PM
... Apple is not going to go for the alarm clock crowd at all, but I'll keep my eyes open for that.

http://www.xtrememac.com/audio/speakers/luna/overview.php

Clive At Five
Dec 19, 2006, 01:56 PM
What has me excited is the prospect of a great sounding (for the price and purpose) alarm clock w/iPod & iPhone dock connector. Yes, JBL and iHome make these and to be fair, I have not heard the JBL, but I didn't think much of the iHome when I auditioned it in Best Buy.

Anyway, what I like is the idea of docking my Apple phone so that it charges at night and serves as my music source to wake up to. I think this would be the only reason that I'd want music on my phone besides ringtones.

You do realize that the iPod comes with Alarm Clock fuctionaity already, do you not? Just hook it up to your favorite set of speakers and it's good to go. you just saved yourself $200+. "Boom. Just like that."

-Clive

macintel4me
Dec 19, 2006, 01:57 PM
I can see Apple coming out with a 5.1 and a 7.1 sound system that is wireless. If "iTV" can do wireless video and audio via 802.11, certainly Apple can come with a wirless Home Theather speaker setup to complete the experience. Oh yeah...maybe that 42" inch LCD screen/monitor wouldn't be too bad either...lol

iJon
Dec 19, 2006, 02:08 PM
Interesting! Do you own one?

I do and I can honestly say it's one of the slickest devices I've owned for my iPod and it's only $69. If anyone is interested in one I can probably get you one since they aren't sold widespread yet. I've many many iPod owners scoop them up for themselves or for presents.

I have found it's perfect for times like camping, traveling, staying in a hotel where you want some good loud sound but don't want to carry your laptop or some big speakers.

jon

EagerDragon
Dec 19, 2006, 02:11 PM
zzzzzzzzzzzz

Speakers, Television, Stereo systems, FM tuners, etc.
Just allow for the integration, let other build the devices and compete with each other.
I am not sure I welcome every device in the living room to be from Apple.

Unspeaked
Dec 19, 2006, 02:17 PM
I don't buy this story for one minute.

There must be some major number manipulation going on to arrive at those rankings.

dernhelm
Dec 19, 2006, 02:48 PM
Improvement on the HIFI systems will be great. I'm sure Apple is planning on better development to work with the new home systems they are thinking of.

If they are smart they are looking at extending it to be a surround sound system for iTV, as well as a plug-in iPod speaker. THAT I would buy.

Just as long they have a volume control that goes to "11":D

Funniest. Movie. Ever. :D

whippersnapper
Dec 19, 2006, 02:57 PM
The 4th place thing is still pretty misleading. When you read the story and apply some basic math, the Bose Sound dock is outselling the hifi almost 3 to1. Apple has just under 8% unit share and 14.5% value share. By contrast Bose has ~35.5% value share and about 22.2% unit share.

Evangelion
Dec 19, 2006, 03:08 PM
I actually heard the iPod Hi-Fi for the first time last saturday. And it did sound better than I imagined it would. But I still feel that it really needs few more features to make it really compelling:

- A screen or something. So I could sit on my couch and control it with the remote. It uses the iPod's screen, right? Well, that screen is way too small to be viewed from several meters away.

- Network, so I could use it to access music on computers, as well as accessing netradios.

- FM-tuner. There are still loads of good radio out there.

Give it those three, and you got yourself a customer.

Unspeaked
Dec 19, 2006, 03:09 PM
The 4th place thing is still pretty misleading. When you read the story and apply some basic math, the Bose Sound dock is outselling the hifi almost 3 to1. Apple has just under 8% unit share and 14.5% value share. By contrast Bose has ~35.5% value share and about 22.2% unit share.

Plus, from what I gathered, it seems the numbers the retail report they're getting this info from is gathered from information supplied by "Big Box" ratliers, which means speciality outlets (kiosks, for example) or small web retailers wouldn't count in the numbers - and those are exactly the types of places people would be buying less brand name (read: not Bose or Apple) products.

kddpop
Dec 19, 2006, 03:10 PM
hifi has always seemed overpriced and unecessary to me. i know there are people who need that type of speaker system. but for me, its always been easier to simply plug in any peripheral audio device into aux ports on the back of my stereo. to affect this, i have to make sure there are such ports on the stereos i buy. this includes car stereos. i have auxilliary inputs in every stereo in every room. solves a lot of problems for me. :)

~kyle

n-abounds
Dec 19, 2006, 03:18 PM
2nd in revenue, 4th in sales....

That's doesn't mean it's very profitable, so maybe Apple should focus elsewhere.

Besides, I think competing with other peripheral companies might lead them to creating peripherals for other MP3 players. In turn, that could make consumers more willing to buy those products. The only reason my next MP3 player is an iPod is because it's the only one with a dependable FM-transmitter, car-charger, and running kit.

emotion
Dec 19, 2006, 03:58 PM
Hi Fi needs a built in phone. We'd all go mad about it then

:D

a456
Dec 19, 2006, 04:08 PM
Hi Fi needs a built in phone. We'd all go mad about it then

:D

... and a screen, and a dvd player.

travvy49423
Dec 19, 2006, 04:49 PM
I hate the HiFi. I have since the day it was released. I've never listened to one, but for me, a speaker can sound like the thunderous voice of God talking to Moses and I still wont buy it if it's ugly. I mean... it's white! It's a frickin' speaker, and it's white! Nowhere in my living room or anywhere else where I lissten to music is there anything that matches. It would just stick out like a soar thumb.

So, needless to say, the one improvement I'm hoping for has nothing to do with specs and features. I think the HiFi is set when it comes to bells and whistles and anything more would spoil its simplicity, but it needs to blend into a listening environment, not shout "Here I am!"

JonHimself
Dec 19, 2006, 05:21 PM
Could there be a HiFi in the works to go along with iTV? I was thinking about it this way: The current HiFi has optical input, right? What if Apple designed a HiFi to simulate surround sound (much like the Bose 3-2-1 System) that had multiple inputs (maybe 2 optical, 2 rca) that was meant to be used as part of a home theatre?
I think it would be wicked, while it wouldn't completely remove the need for a receiver, it would provide an alternative route for those not wanting to spend as much on speakers & a receiver.
Just a thought, I've been wracking my brain (and have been since the mini came out) as to how I would incorporate Apple into my entertainment system properly (for my own needs and interests) and this is just something that I thought of.

EricNau
Dec 19, 2006, 05:44 PM
I was hoping Apple would utilize their "iPod Boombox" trademark and release a smaller version of the iPod Hi-Fi, but apparently they nixed that plan (perhaps because of the chance it could cannibalize Hi-Fi sales).

EricNau
Dec 19, 2006, 05:47 PM
I hate the HiFi. I have since the day it was released. I've never listened to one, but for me, a speaker can sound like the thunderous voice of God talking to Moses and I still wont buy it if it's ugly. I mean... it's white! It's a frickin' speaker, and it's white! Nowhere in my living room or anywhere else where I lissten to music is there anything that matches. It would just stick out like a soar thumb.

So, needless to say, the one improvement I'm hoping for has nothing to do with specs and features. I think the HiFi is set when it comes to bells and whistles and anything more would spoil its simplicity, but it needs to blend into a listening environment, not shout "Here I am!"
Where are you placing it where it doesn't match? White (& black) can blend in wit just about any environment.

mevenson
Dec 19, 2006, 06:27 PM
and its a great piece of kit. I am always amused by the experts who have never even listened to one ranting about how crappy it is. This speaker is fantastic, it sounds great and puts out a lot of sound. I used it as the sole speaker for an outdoor reception/dance with over 100 people and everybody was blown away by it. In fact a couple people at the party went out and bought their own.

Whistleway
Dec 19, 2006, 06:45 PM
Did you not read the part of the article where it said "second in revenue". this means they have beaten EVERY speaker system except one. There are zillions of ipod speakers from Bose, JBL and others and Apple has beaten almost ALL of them were it counts in n revenue. Sounds like they've got a hit


No. They are fourth in the speakers that are made for iPod. I am sure you intended to say that.

And I highly doubt that number. I wanna see a macpoll, to see any form of justification. Also, it could just be that the market ($ to be made) from the speakers for iPod is just small.

JonHimself
Dec 19, 2006, 07:23 PM
No. They are fourth in the speakers that are made for iPod. I am sure you intended to say that.

And I highly doubt that number. I wanna see a macpoll, to see any form of justification. Also, it could just be that the market ($ to be made) from the speakers for iPod is just small.

I don't think the market for money to made with iPod speakers is small, I'm basing this on the fact that there are so so so sooo many options. If there wasn't moeny to made, why are so many companies in the market?
Also, even if they are in forth, that's still pretty good considering it's relatively new (though you would think it would be higher with all the "sheep" - for the record I hate using that word, but I guess it fits)

Hattig
Dec 19, 2006, 07:24 PM
I have the (relatively) cheapy portable Logitech mm50 speakers, and whilst you get what you pay for they do the job, and the rechargeable battery does give many hours of playback for when you're in the garden or on a trip.

It also makes a nice bedroom music system and is very compact. And the remote control is very useful.

The Apple setup is just quite expensive, and doesn't have the same sense of value for the functionality provided.

Infinity
Dec 19, 2006, 07:32 PM
Wow, everyone here has talked about the HiFi's potential for additional features yet no one has really commented on the sound!

I'm no audiophile yet I can honestly say its one of the worst sounding speakers I've heard at its price range. I think Apple should enhance/add more features second only to improving the sound first. It looks like a center speaker and almost sounds like one; all midrange and midbass.

Funny thing is, I consider myself an Apple fanboy too.

OdduWon
Dec 19, 2006, 08:07 PM
i hope apple makes some small speakers like these (http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-MINI-STEREO-SPEAKER-SYSTEM-SRS-P3-ORIG-PACKAGE_W0QQitemZ270068229635QQihZ017QQcategoryZ48690QQcmdZViewItem) . there a good size and they are louder than a PSP. Plus, they don't need batteries. there great for working out doors :) hope apple makes some HI-FIpods.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r75/odduwon/oddpod.jpg

BuzWeaver
Dec 19, 2006, 08:54 PM
The iPod HI FI has to be one of the least interesting products Apple has ever released. They should save their development resources for other things, such as refining OS X, computer hardware, etc. Let the third party manufacturers make the iPod Hi Fi gadgets, IMHO :cool:

Funny you should say that, that's one of very few reasons why I'd by an iPod to begin with. :)

mrthieme
Dec 20, 2006, 05:39 AM
I can see Apple coming out with a 5.1 and a 7.1 sound system that is wireless. If "iTV" can do wireless video and audio via 802.11, certainly Apple can come with a wirless Home Theather speaker setup to complete the experience. Oh yeah...maybe that 42" inch LCD screen/monitor wouldn't be too bad either...lol

This is exactly what I would like to see them pursue, providing that Apple experience in the home theater world.

SactoGuy18
Dec 20, 2006, 10:28 AM
What I'm looking for is a decent high-end clock radio with a built-in iPod Data Connector dock. Cambridge Soundworks is supposed to have them available very soon, based on the SoundWorks 730 and 740 models. :)

obiwan
Dec 26, 2006, 04:25 PM
When this first came out, I must admit, I was underwhelmed like a lot of other people. However, I was recently considering wiring up some speakers in my kitchen, to play audio from my home-audio set up in the lounge, and also play music from an iPod & Universal Dock. Having looked at all the possibilties and the cost (and hassle) of installing wires under the floorboards and adding speaker switches etc. I opted for buying one of these units instead.

- Wow!!! I'm glad I did! I was instantly blown away with the power and sound quality of this thing!! Plus, the colour white goes really well in my kitchen (it matches my fridge and washing machine!) - and keeps my wife happy, as there are no spaghetti wires all over the place! This really is a great piece of kit.

HappyPhantom
Jan 4, 2007, 03:06 PM
Geneva Labs (http://www.genevalab.com/) is reputed to have the best all-in-one iPod speaker system in the world. iLounge gave is a very favorable review (http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/ipod/review/geneva-lab-model-l-and-model-xl-sound-systems/).

I really like my HiFis and the JBL OnTime. I don't think I'll wait around for a new version of the HiFi before spurging for the Sound System L, though.