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Dec 22, 2006, 02:42 PM
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psychofreak
Dec 22, 2006, 02:46 PM
Ratio of apple fanboys : sony fanboys
1 gizmabilhizgollion : 1

dr_lha
Dec 22, 2006, 03:07 PM
Personally I hope that Apple's entry into the phone market breaths a breath of fresh air into things. If Motorola's phones are examples of what an "experienced" company makes, the market clearly needs a huge shake up.

That said I'm quite a fan of SE's phones and own one. I just wish US carriers would actually sell more of their products, rather than concentrating on crappy flip phones from people like Samsung and LG.

qubex
Dec 22, 2006, 04:52 PM
I'm from Italy and it never ceases to amuse me how:- Americans have this idea that the cellphone and the "plan"/contract must come from the same company, and that it is normal to be issued with "locked" phones
That US customers seem to consider Motorola to be a successful cellphone company.
Contextually: I've had the same no-commitments contract with my mobile phone company for the past seven years, and I change my cellphone once every six months, and I would never, ever, choose a Motorola. This is fairly typical of average europeans.

Max Payne
Dec 22, 2006, 04:54 PM
That US customers seem to consider Motorola to be a successful cellphone company.
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I agree with this... I can't see any good option in Moto.

Karpfish
Dec 22, 2006, 05:03 PM
The problem is that in the US Verizon was the best like 4 years ago, and pople don't like to switch. I my very well switch to cingular once my plan is up with verizon, because i hate having to pay verizons full price on a limited selection of phones if i want a new one more than once every 2 years. My cell(which i hated btw) went through the wash yesterday and died, so I just dropped almost 300 on a new chocolate.Not fun.

petvas
Dec 22, 2006, 05:05 PM
I personally find all these conventional phones nothing special. I use an iPaq 6915 and I am quite happy with it. What makes the Pocket PC so great is its PIM abilities. There also some other simple stuff that make me turn away from Sony Ericsson phones, like the contact length, searching for contacts, writing an sms, etc...

I have really trouble finding a normal phone that:

doesn't have a contact items limit!
doesn't limit the contact characters length
allows directly searching for a contact like Windows Mobile does
allows sorting by last name, first name, company
has category filtering support...


I don't think that its too much to ask from a phone. I really don't care about the Pocket PC features, I want though to be able to do all the above but up until now I haven't found any phone that does that...

mkrishnan
Dec 22, 2006, 05:07 PM
I'm from Italy and it never ceases to amuse me how:

Well, you can like Motorola or not like Motorola, but they appear to have a healthy cash-flow, a good profit margin, and good sales volumes. I would tend to think those three things would define their success more than how much one Italian likes or doesn't like them....

cwt1nospam
Dec 22, 2006, 05:22 PM
Well, you can like Motorola or not like Motorola, but they appear to have a healthy cash-flow, a good profit margin, and good sales volumes. I would tend to think those three things would define their success more than how much one Italian likes or doesn't like them....
To be considered successful requires more than short-term profit, and most cell phone companies today have loads of customers that are searching for better alternatives.

I have a Razr, and would love to switch to an Apple phone because I have a high degree of confidence that version 1 of an Apple phone will be better than the lastest and greatest Razr. I think I'm far from alone thinking that, so I don't see how Motorola or any other cell maker at the moment can be considered a 'successful cellphone company.'

NewSc2
Dec 22, 2006, 05:34 PM
To be considered successful requires more than short-term profit, and most cell phone companies today have loads of customers that are searching for better alternatives.

I have a Razr, and would love to switch to an Apple phone because I have a high degree of confidence that version 1 of an Apple phone will be better than the lastest and greatest Razr. I think I'm far from alone thinking that, so I don't see how Motorola or any other cell maker at the moment can be considered a 'successful cellphone company.'

Wow. I'm an Apple fanboy too, but I'd never put so much faith in Apple as a "successful cell phone company" when they haven't released even 1 cell phone. Nokia, Sony/Ericcson, Palm, Motorola, and others ARE "successful cell phone companies". That's what they do.

Unsuccessful cell phone companies are ones that you haven't heard of.

petvas
Dec 22, 2006, 06:02 PM
It's pretty amazing how all people discuss about the Apple Phone like it existed!
I have never heard anyone from Apple making an announcement about it. I am not saying its not coming, but as long we don't here anything official, I don't see the point of the discussion...

Apple is not a phone company but as technology and demands evolve, companies have to adapt, so creating a phone could be in Apple's short list...
Nokia isn't a phone company, they also have a big Telecom department that brings firewalls and routers! How many people know that? I am just wondering...

Karpfish
Dec 22, 2006, 06:28 PM
I did, and thats how they can have a large store in NYC(and other places maybe,I don't know) You don't have a big store to sell phones from a single company and no plans.

cwt1nospam
Dec 22, 2006, 07:19 PM
Wow. I'm an Apple fanboy too, but I'd never put so much faith in Apple as a "successful cell phone company" when they haven't released even 1 cell phone. Nokia, Sony/Ericcson, Palm, Motorola, and others ARE "successful cell phone companies". That's what they do.

Unsuccessful cell phone companies are ones that you haven't heard of.

It's more an indictment of current phone companies than an endorsement of Apple.

I disagree with your definition of successful. It's that definition and the short-term thinking that goes with it that is leading to this country's decline.

NewSc2
Dec 23, 2006, 04:23 AM
It's more an indictment of current phone companies than an endorsement of Apple.

I disagree with your definition of successful. It's that definition and the short-term thinking that goes with it that is leading to this country's decline.

I guess Google isn't successful then, by your definition.

Don't lump me into a group because I believe the more well-known companies are successful. I appreciate quality over commercialism just as much as the anybody else, but in some areas sheer volume does define how large and successful a company is. Telecommunications, energy, etc.

cwt1nospam
Dec 23, 2006, 07:19 AM
I guess Google isn't successful then, by your definition. Google has been initially successful. Time will tell if they are successful. Success for a large company is determined by the strength of its brand. Those that achieve brand recognition are successful on one level. Those that achieve brand loyalty are successful on a another, much higher level. It's the reason why Apple was able to survive the dark days of the 1990s. Their customers knew that Apple products were better than the competition, and that future Apple products would also be better.


... in some areas sheer volume does define how large and successful a company is. Telecommunications, energy, etc.
Interesting that you chose energy as an example. You do know that Enron was an energy company, right? By your definition, they were successful right up until the scandal broke and their stock tanked.

SVT Amateur
Dec 23, 2006, 08:15 AM
I know this won't happen anytime soon but I would love to see a product released from Apple that would compete with Windows Mobile based phones. I'm a PC geek (or was) and just bought my wife a MacBook and love it so much myself that I'm about to never build another PC again and instead only buy Macs. I rely heavily on my Windows Mobile phone to handle all my contacts, to-do list, calendar, and push email and would love to have something that would sync effortlessly with a Mac. Besides, Windows Mobile phones have the same drawbacks that Windows based PC's have (IMO) which is they slow down as they get older, even if you don't have any additional software installed. I'm sure an Apple solution would be great, though I'm not expecting one anytime soon.

dornoforpyros
Dec 23, 2006, 09:39 AM
I'm from Italy and it never ceases to amuse me how:- Americans have this idea that the cellphone and the "plan"/contract must come from the same company, and that it is normal to be issued with "locked" phones
That US customers seem to consider Motorola to be a successful cellphone company.
Contextually: I've had the same no-commitments contract with my mobile phone company for the past seven years, and I change my cellphone once every six months, and I would never, ever, choose a Motorola. This is fairly typical of average europeans.

ahh yes but your forgetting that American corporations basically have their consumers over the barrel. The whole SIM card thing never caught on here, and we can't change our numbers from one carrier to another (not in canada yet, the US may have changed, I can't remember). All the restrictions, contracts and lockdowns are a result of the carriers ****ing their customer in the *** to put it bluntly.

DickArmAndHarT
Dec 23, 2006, 10:30 AM
I agree with this... I can't see any good option in Moto.

Although I haven't been a fan of the new RAZR's and other slim phones, I've used motorola's on verizons service for years because I felt there simple software was unmatched. (the phone book is bomb) But now that verizon has its own software on all of its phones, nothing makes moto stand out. So I'm getting a nice RIM blackberry. : )

Conclusion: i like moto

cwt1nospam
Dec 23, 2006, 12:28 PM
I rely heavily on my Windows Mobile phone to handle all my contacts, to-do list, calendar, and push email and would love to have something that would sync effortlessly with a Mac.
I sync my Razr with my Mac. I could use the razr for email too, but then I'd be paying for airtime. I have Alltel becase Verizon forces their customers to used Vcast for syncing instead of using the free (and faster!) Bluetooth capabilities of the phone.

But now that verizon has its own software on all of its phones, nothing makes moto stand out.
Verizon is ripping you off with their software.

hob
Dec 23, 2006, 07:46 PM
I got a RAZR or my contract in 2004, based purely on looks. It looked like a hot phone. I'd never used a motorola phone for more than 2 minutes, and certainly not one with a colour screen (that's how long it'd been)...

Worst. UI. Ever... Doing something simple, sending a message, placing a call was pretty straightforward. But as soon as you want to do something a tiny bit more complex, like turn on Bluetooth or change Time Zone you end up getting lost in the "settings" section for a couple of hours.

And I'm not retard!

Other than the potential iPhone I will never consider any phone but a Sony Ericsson for the time being (I have a Nokia right now... they're too... "simple" feeling...)

Oh, and there's a pretty similar, yet scathing, article on The Register... "Why the Apple phone will fail, and fail badly (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/23/iphone_will_fail/)"...

aristobrat
Dec 23, 2006, 08:15 PM
ahh yes but your forgetting that American corporations basically have their consumers over the barrel. The whole SIM card thing never caught on here, and we can't change our numbers from one carrier to another (not in canada yet, the US may have changed, I can't remember). All the restrictions, contracts and lockdowns are a result of the carriers ****ing their customer in the *** to put it bluntly.
America's largest wireless phone company is GSM, so I wouldn't say that the whole SIM thing never caught on there. Americans can also port their phone numbers between wireless and landline carriers.

brap
Dec 23, 2006, 08:30 PM
An Apple phone will have to be damn good to beat the W850 and Samsung D900. Seriously, I can't see this happening at all soon. High-end mobile users are pretty savvy, as the "iTunes phone" proved. Awful.

(My K750's joystick has just died... contract up in January too. but a white phone would just look so very stupid...)

shadowfax
Dec 24, 2006, 12:21 AM
I felt the article started off a little shakily--comparisons to Sony are not something I care for, really, but it picked up well enough. I think it's a very relevant thing to offer that this is a tough, tough, super tough thing to do for apple. I thought awhile back that it was just hubris from that cell phone CEO that said apple was crazy if it thought it could just go off on its own and make up a superphone from scratch with no experience with GSM wireless, but really, there does seem to be quite a lot that goes into it. I don't doubt apple can do it, but I'd guess it might be delayed for a long, long time.

BenRoethig
Dec 24, 2006, 08:16 AM
I don't know if there is much to be gained here for Apple. With the iPod Apple had a market that was still in it's infancy. They had the first really successful marriage of software and hardware and have never looked back. The cell phone market has a chance to be a lot more like the newton than the iPod. It's already crowded and with Apple's largest sales market, the phones are locked and people are more used to buying phones because they had huge rebates with a 1 or 2 year plan.