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Sesshi
Dec 30, 2006, 02:22 PM
I wonder if anyone's adapted the Nike + technology to work on a bicycle in some way?



psychofreak
Dec 30, 2006, 02:34 PM
I haven't heard about it, but it would be cool.
Apple wouldn't do it as they want to be seen encouraging listening to music while cycling, as the press would be terrible "Boy dies distracted by Nike+iPod bike". No one would care that the kid was stoned off his head, or that he was riding blindfolded while standing on his handlebars.

Counterfit
Dec 30, 2006, 02:53 PM
Don't wear headphones while riding a bike (at least on the street.) You also shouldn't do it when walking on the side of a road.

weldon
Dec 30, 2006, 03:00 PM
Even if it did register one revolution as one stride, it would be wildly inaccurate because it has no idea what gear your bike is in. The Nike+ system is a pedometer that calculates distance traveled based on the average length of one stride. There is no way to tell how much distance was traveled with one turn of the cranks on your bike.

What you need is the Garmin Edge 305 (http://www.garmin.com/products/edge305/)

pdpfilms
Dec 30, 2006, 03:33 PM
Even if it did register one revolution as one stride, it would be wildly inaccurate because it has no idea what gear your bike is in. The Nike+ system is a pedometer that calculates distance traveled based on the average length of one stride. There is no way to tell how much distance was traveled with one turn of the cranks on your bike.

no, but it would be very simple to engineer a new orange thingy that senses magnets passing, and transmit each blip to the nano attachment. Then, a simple program within the nano would measure each blip as the circumfrence of the wheel, rather than the length of a stride.

You would lose the connection between pace and tempo, however. Unless, of course, you had a cadence sensor as well. This is sounding pretty complicated, actually.

I like the idea though, I'm surprised no 3rd party has developed a solution.

Sesshi
Dec 30, 2006, 04:50 PM
Don't wear headphones while riding a bike (at least on the street.) You also shouldn't do it when walking on the side of a road.

You're right, it's dumb. I really just wanted the timing facility to upload to the website and give myself goals - I don't actually listen to music as I ride and I don't plan to. That and I was given the Nike shoe + receiver for Christmas and I think it's going to be underutilised as far as the running is concerned :o

Weldon, thanks for the heads up on the 305. I didn't know about that one but I fear that a stand-alone GPS or regular computer won't motivate me enough. But I guess it's a start. I might pick one up.

weldon
Dec 30, 2006, 06:24 PM
no, but it would be very simple to engineer a new orange thingy that senses magnets passing, and transmit each blip to the nano attachment.
I wouldn't be surprised to see such a thing in the future. That's how my bicycle computer works, so it's obviously a well-understood approach.
Weldon, thanks for the heads up on the 305. I didn't know about that one but I fear that a stand-alone GPS or regular computer won't motivate me enough. But I guess it's a start. I might pick one up.
The Garmin can upload the GPS track info from your rides to motionbased.com (http://www.motionbased.com/)and the Garmin Training Center (http://www.garmin.com/products/trainingcenter/). Both of those will give you a little extra motivation and are similar to the Nike+ site.

Aniej
Dec 30, 2006, 06:27 PM
i was thinking about this very issue yesterday, odd. i think i might be cool to do, but if they did that, then apple should just make some sort of universal application that can fit different sporting equipment.

Sesshi
Dec 30, 2006, 06:30 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see such a thing in the future. That's how my bicycle computer works, so it's obviously a well-understood approach.

The Garmin can upload the GPS track info from your rides to motionbased.com (http://www.motionbased.com/)and the Garmin Training Center (http://www.garmin.com/products/trainingcenter/). Both of those will give you a little extra motivation and are similar to the Nike+ site.

Cool. Thanks

weldon
Dec 30, 2006, 09:06 PM
i was thinking about this very issue yesterday, odd. i think i might be cool to do, but if they did that, then apple should just make some sort of universal application that can fit different sporting equipment.
You know what Apple could do is create a standard way for add-ons to interact with any iPod with a dock connector and store information on there. Then when you sync up iTunes, it would know to pass that stored data along to the other application. That info could be GPS track logs, info from the bike computer, your shoe pedometer, text messages from your phone, scientific data from data-collecting instruments, and so on. Then the iPod becomes the universal storage hub for all outdoor or mobile applications. Apple doesn't have to write all the software, just continue to license the "made for iPod" logo to devices that will work properly with the dock connector iPods. That would snazzy.

sifish
Jan 11, 2009, 12:18 PM
Even if it did register one revolution as one stride, it would be wildly inaccurate because it has no idea what gear your bike is in. The Nike+ system is a pedometer that calculates distance traveled based on the average length of one stride. There is no way to tell how much distance was traveled with one turn of the cranks on your bike.

What you need is the Garmin Edge 305 (http://www.garmin.com/products/edge305/)

is it just me who puts the cycle computer chip on the front wheel... on a standard bike.. theres no gears on the front wheel

DeanTryst
Jun 22, 2009, 07:17 PM
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/06/11/apple_developing_activity_monitor_for_skiers_snowboarders_bikers.html

iPhone guru
Jun 24, 2009, 06:15 AM
I use the cyclometer app B.iCycle and I'm very happy with it. It's does what a Garmin EDGE can do and a little more and has a very sleek UI. The distance calculation is based on GPS, so it's very precise.

Anyone else using GPS based cyclometer apps?

twoodcc
Jun 24, 2009, 06:22 AM
is it just me who puts the cycle computer chip on the front wheel... on a standard bike.. theres no gears on the front wheel

what? you got nike+ to actually work on a bike? or are you using something else?

MacJeffRson
Jun 24, 2009, 06:30 AM
yepp, i'm also into biking with my iphone. it was so great that they have gps now. i've only been my iphone2G for music before, but now i can do everthing that i can do with a normal bike computer (and more ;)

i've been trying different apps like imapmyride, "the bike" etc, but now i'm sticking to "B.iCycle" that was mentioned before. it just combines all the stuff i need plus more (gives me a map!:)

iPhone guru
Jun 24, 2009, 08:24 AM
yepp, i'm also into biking with my iphone. it was so great that they have gps now. i've only been my iphone2G for music before, but now i can do everthing that i can do with a normal bike computer (and more ;)

i've been trying different apps like imapmyride, "the bike" etc, but now i'm sticking to "B.iCycle" that was mentioned before. it just combines all the stuff i need plus more (gives me a map!:)

I'm happy to hear that you compared different solutions and B.iCycle is the best. It's my first cyclometer app and I have no comparison. :cool:

Are you using a bike mount? I have a standard bike mount which is very cool to always check the map display on the ride but now I would like to upgrade to a solution with an external battery. Would be great if somebody could recommend a cool solution.

resqguy
Jun 24, 2009, 10:43 AM
is it just me who puts the cycle computer chip on the front wheel... on a standard bike.. theres no gears on the front wheel

It won't matter which wheel you put it on. The tires still rotate the same number of times for a given distance.

Scottyk9
Jun 24, 2009, 11:09 AM
there is also the trailguru app that uses gps to track time / distance / pace / elevation

dougster
Jun 24, 2009, 12:38 PM
yepp, i'm also into biking with my iphone. it was so great that they have gps now. i've only been my iphone2G for music before, but now i can do everthing that i can do with a normal bike computer (and more ;)

i've been trying different apps like imapmyride, "the bike" etc, but now i'm sticking to "B.iCycle" that was mentioned before. it just combines all the stuff i need plus more (gives me a map!:)

Here the same. I'm using the app B.iCycle quite a while and it's really great for biking. My iPhone 3G with B.iCycle has rapidly replaced my old sigma cyclometer.

B.iCycle provides you an amazing map with biketrails and all that stuff you need on the bike (time, speed, distance, height, calories ... - all for trip and total).

Also tried many others before, but for me this is definitely the best biking-app out there...

iPhone guru
Jun 25, 2009, 09:34 AM
Here the same. I'm using the app B.iCycle quite a while and it's really great for biking. My iPhone 3G with B.iCycle has rapidly replaced my old sigma cyclometer.

What Sigma have you been using? What is your experience about the precision of the GPS based calculation of B.iCycle? Have you been able to compare the calorie calculation to another solution?

DarthTreydor
Jun 25, 2009, 10:38 AM
Even if it did register one revolution as one stride, it would be wildly inaccurate because it has no idea what gear your bike is in. The Nike+ system is a pedometer that calculates distance traveled based on the average length of one stride. There is no way to tell how much distance was traveled with one turn of the cranks on your bike.

What you need is the Garmin Edge 305 (http://www.garmin.com/products/edge305/)

It would work on my bike. But I ride a fixed gear. :p

jayb2000
Jun 25, 2009, 11:12 AM
http://www.runkeeper.com/

I saw a post from them on here about a year ago, I don't have my iPhone yet, but you can download the app for free to try - no nike+ thing needed, just a touch or iPhone.

iPhone guru
Jun 27, 2009, 07:08 AM
Even if it did register one revolution as one stride, it would be wildly inaccurate because it has no idea what gear your bike is in. The Nike+ system is a pedometer that calculates distance traveled based on the average length of one stride. There is no way to tell how much distance was traveled with one turn of the cranks on your bike.

What you need is the Garmin Edge 305 (http://www.garmin.com/products/edge305/)

Hey weldon, I just checked the specs of the Garmin Egde 305. It's a really cool device but only if you do not own an iPhone 3G or 3GS. But if you do, the Garmin does not offer any hardware feature that the iPhone doesn't. Plus you have to consider that the iPhone screen and user interface is way superior to the Garmin.

From my point of view all the features of the 305 can be realized in software on the iPhone OS. I use the cyclometer app B.iCycle and as I said before: It just works pretty precise and reliable. And if you compare the price points of the Garmin app and solutions in the AppStore I cannot see why anyone would get a dedicated GPS cyclometer who already owns an iPhone with GPS.

macjonny1
Jun 28, 2009, 08:28 AM
Hey weldon, I just checked the specs of the Garmin Egde 305. It's a really cool device but only if you do not own an iPhone 3G or 3GS. But if you do, the Garmin does not offer any hardware feature that the iPhone doesn't. Plus you have to consider that the iPhone screen and user interface is way superior to the Garmin.

From my point of view all the features of the 305 can be realized in software on the iPhone OS. I use the cyclometer app B.iCycle and as I said before: It just works pretty precise and reliable. And if you compare the price points of the Garmin app and solutions in the AppStore I cannot see why anyone would get a dedicated GPS cyclometer who already owns an iPhone with GPS.

Try riding a century with your iphone. See how long the battery lasts.

Try riding with your iphone mounted to your bike in the rain.

Weigh your iphone and the garmin 305. The garmin is much lighter. Some people pay big $$$ to shed a few grams off their bike.

Understand now?

iPhone guru
Jun 28, 2009, 04:36 PM
Try riding a century with your iphone. See how long the battery lasts.

Try riding with your iphone mounted to your bike in the rain.

Weigh your iphone and the garmin 305. The garmin is much lighter. Some people pay big $$$ to shed a few grams off their bike.

Understand now?

When I ride the battery lasts about 4 hours. That is enough for me in 99% of my rides. I do not have a solution for rain yet because I usually ride when the weather is nice. However, there seem to be water proof cases for the iPhone and I plan to get one that fits my bike mount.

I understand the appeal of the Garmin for people who do not own an iPhone. My point was that the Edge 305 costs about 30x the price of my cyclometer app from the AppStore. That is too much a difference for me.

dougster
Jun 28, 2009, 05:09 PM
When I ride the battery lasts about 4 hours. That is enough for me in 99% of my rides. I do not have a solution for rain yet because I usually ride when the weather is nice. However, there seem to be water proof cases for the iPhone and I plan to get one that fits my bike mount.

I understand the appeal of the Garmin for people who do not own an iPhone. My point was that the Edge 305 costs about 30x the price of my cyclometer app from the AppStore. That is too much a difference for me.

Agree to the battery time. For me, the battery time my iPhone lasts while using B.iCycle on my rides is mostly enough ...

I love this app and I'm not even think of bying a garmin which costs me 300 bucks ....

I'm currently thinking about buying a waterproof iPhone case as well.

These guys are providing waterproof cases for different gadges and of course especially for us iPhone users.

http://www.otterbox.com/

Has anyone experiences with them?

iPhone guru
Jun 29, 2009, 01:46 AM
I'm currently thinking about buying a waterproof iPhone case as well.

These guys are providing waterproof cases for different gadges and of course especially for us iPhone users.

http://www.otterbox.com/

Has anyone experiences with them?

I'm not sure if the otterbox solution is really water proof. They seem to be made for shock and dust protection in particular. Have a look at the Aquapac solution. I consider to combine that with my bike mount:

http://www.aquapac.net/usstore/waterproof-iphone-case-br-code-104-1792-0.html

That would allow to see the screen while biking, so I could use my cyclometer app B.iCycle in the rain.

macjonny1
Jun 29, 2009, 02:32 PM
Agree to the battery time. For me, the battery time my iPhone lasts while using B.iCycle on my rides is mostly enough ...

I love this app and I'm not even think of bying a garmin which costs me 300 bucks ....

I'm currently thinking about buying a waterproof iPhone case as well.

These guys are providing waterproof cases for different gadges and of course especially for us iPhone users.

http://www.otterbox.com/

Has anyone experiences with them?

My problem though would be enough batter life after the bike ride. Also, is there a way to use a HR monitor with the iphone? That is almost more important to me than anything when training....

dougster
Jun 30, 2009, 02:37 AM
My problem though would be enough batter life after the bike ride. Also, is there a way to use a HR monitor with the iphone? That is almost more important to me than anything when training....

... found this on an german webpage. seems a little bit geeky so far, but maybe something like this could be a solution for the battery problem ...

http://www.zzing.de/English_Zzing/

HR monitor would be great and there are hints that the developers of B.iCycle are working on it since the iPhone got opened by apple with OS 3.0 ...

kufford
Jun 30, 2009, 07:58 AM
I would think that AAPL, if they were so inclined, could easily manufacture a bicycle adapter/application that monitored speed, distance, splits, rise/fall, and route taken. It could also keep pace by GPS. The device could just count wheel revolutions and the interface could be programmed by the user to account for wheel diameter. I doubt it will ever come to fruition however.

iPhone guru
Jul 3, 2009, 04:06 PM
... found this on an german webpage. seems a little bit geeky so far, but maybe something like this could be a solution for the battery problem ...

http://www.zzing.de/English_Zzing/

HR monitor would be great and there are hints that the developers of B.iCycle are working on it since the iPhone got opened by apple with OS 3.0 ...

Has anyone experience with the Zzing or a similar solution?

iPhone guru
Jul 23, 2009, 03:44 PM
Has anyone experience with the Zzing or a similar solution?

Nobody with a Zzing out there? :confused:

iPhone guru
Jul 31, 2009, 09:14 AM
Has anyone experience with the Zzing or a similar solution?

Come on guys! Tell me if the Zzing is worth the money! :D

cjmcqueen
Jul 26, 2010, 01:58 PM
So, there's already an emerging standard for cycling and training equipment called ANT+ (you can think of it as Bluetooth for workout gear).

http://www.thisisant.com/

And, I totally agree that something could be made that would work with an iPhone/iPod Touch/Nano... it just needs to be suggested enough to these companies that are creating biking gear. In my mind, they make a huge markup from the hardware, so maybe there's less of an interest to make a software + adapter solution, but you would think that the Apple crowd would pay for it if "it just worked".

I think the biggest problem is that "hard core" cyclists are often concerned with weight and the iPhone is not a feather weight piece of equipment. But, I think it would be an training tool. It would really complete against the Garmin market.

Personally, I would love to see Cateye build an iPhone adapter...