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Jan 1, 2007, 05:09 PM
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With Macworld San Francisco (MWSF) quickly approaching, MacRumors provides this Rumor Roundup as a summary of major rumors circulating around the Mac Web before the big event. (Previous MacRumors MWSF roundups: 2006 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/01/20060105230546.shtml), 2005 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/01/20050110022542.shtml), 2004 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/01/20040101213714.shtml), 2003 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/01/20030104183532.shtml), and 2002 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/01/20020106151501.shtml).)

While Apple's popularity continues to rise, the media coverage for Apple rumors reached an all time high this year.

Apple Phone (or Not?)

The one rumor that has received the greatest exposure is, of course, the Apple branded phone (formerly the iPhone (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/12/20061218064022.shtml)). Talk of an Apple-branded cell phone has been ongoing for years, however.

In 2002, when asked directly (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/09/20020911210852.shtml) "Will there be an iPhone?", Steve Jobs replied "One never knows. We don't usually discuss products we haven't announced." In 2003, when questioned again about an Apple phone, Steve Jobs stated (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/05/20030529030024.shtml) that they did not "feel they could add much value to current cell phones."

The Apple Phone rumor flickered to life again in February 2006 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/02/20060203203837.shtml) when research group UBS said "not to rule out an Apple-branded cell phone later this year". PiperJaffray made a bolder statement (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/03/20060317152445.shtml) in March 2006 with a 75% chance of a iPhone in the next 12 months. Similar claims came from a J.P. Morgan analyst (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/03/20060319140832.shtml) that "chatter about the [Apple Phone] is all over the food chain".

What finally triggered worldwide attention can be traced back to this Commercial Times report (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/11/20061115090741.shtml) that Taiwan's Hon Hai has received a 12 million unit contract for the rumored Apple phone to be released in the first half of 2007. While regular MacRumors readers might realize that these Taiwanese supply reports have been wrong in the past, the proposed time-frame correlated (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060915182716.shtml) with an earlier ThinkSecret report also pointing to "early 2007" for the release. As well, a reliable MacRumors source provided a description (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060913215342.shtml) (and artist rendition) of what one of the existing prototype phones looked like at that time.

The first detailed specs came from Kevin Rose (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/12/20061203094854.shtml) who had been previously known (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/01/20060110081233.shtml) to have some inside information. Other (conflicting) claims/specs are also listed here:

- 2GB ($249), 4GB ($449), Slide out keyboard, "cool" OS, All Phone providers (Kevin Rose (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/12/20061203094854.shtml))
- 4GB ($599), 8GB ($649), Metal, Cingular Wireless, Full screen LCD, Virtual Click Wheel (Morgan Stanley analyst (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/12/20061213162456.shtml))
- GSM/EDGE device only (ThinkSecret (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/12/20061215091228.shtml))

While many news outlets are pointing towards Macworld San Francisco as the launch date of the Apple Phone, none of the more credible rumors have specifically pointed to Macworld as the launch day for the device:

- 1st half of 2007 (1 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/11/20061115090741.shtml), 2 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060915182716.shtml), 3 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/12/20061205105051.shtml), 4 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/12/20061213162456.shtml))
- Not at Macworld SF (1 (http://www.theage.com.au/news/phones--pdas/iphone-could-be-put-on-hold/2006/12/11/1165685598310.html?from=rss))
- January (1 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/12/20061203094854.shtml))
- Macworld San Francisco (0)

While nothing would preclude Apple from announcing a phone at Macworld for a later launch, the evidence for a Macworld launch remains mostly speculative.

Mac Pro

Appleinsider suggested in October (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/10/20061025231946.shtml) that an 8-Core Mac Pro was ready to launch as early as November 2006. While this did not take place, an upcoming 2.0GHz quad-core chip (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2326) due in January will be priced at a reasonable $690/chip, similar to the current 2.66GHz dual-core Woodcrest that is currently offered in Mac Pros.

A recent Macscoop report (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/12/20061229234528.shtml) claimed that the 8-core Mac would be on track for a January release.

iTV

Apple surprised many when they revealed the iTV in September (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060912161621.shtml) at the "Showtime" media event. The $299 device offers a living room appliance that interfaces your media content to your television. A brief overview was provided, but the final shipping product was not promised until the first quarter of 2007.

Many expect Apple will provide more details of the iTV at Macworld.

Leopard

Leopard was first previewed (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/08/20060807161421.shtml) in August, revealing Time Machine, Spaces, Core Animation, and more (http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/).

Over the following months, only a few additional features have been revealed (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/10/20061024174114.shtml), and no word of the "secret" features Apple has held back from their public preview.

The latest minor feature revealed has been the use of XAR (http://macgeek.freeflux.net/blog/archive/2006/12/30/macos-x-10-5-new-package-format-xar.html) for Leopard's package format.

Apple would likely demonstrate Leopard again at Macworld San Francisco, but the final release is not expected until "Spring 2007".

New Displays

Some sporadic reports (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/12/20061222114846.shtml) of new displays have been distributed, but have been tainted by claims that they represent efforts to intentionally spread false information to rumor sites. As such, these rumors should be viewed with skepticism.

iLife '07

Unlike most Apple updates, the iLife suite has seen regular yearly updates released at the Macworld San Francisco expo. iWork '07 has been said to include (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/10/20061011213410.shtml) significant updates to Keynote and Pages as well as the introduction of a new spreadsheet application code named "Lasso".

Video iPod, and Others?

Surprisingly, little attention has been given to the rumored full Video iPod despite clear evidence (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/10/20061026073133.shtml) that Apple has been considering such a form factor. The latest word has placed the device in the early 2007 timeframe (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/10/20061018143033.shtml).

Three new iPod models were said to be in the works (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/12/20061207145756.shtml) for 2007, but not necessarily at Macworld.

Summary

Surprisingly few Macworld San Francisco specific rumors have emerged this year in the months leading up to the event. This final week, however, always represents a busy time for rumors with last minute leaks common.

If you would like to meet up with other MacRumors members, this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=256873) lists others going to the event.

No live Quicktime stream is typically available for the keynote event. Instead, we will provide live coverage of the event at MacRumorsLive.com (http://www.macrumorslive.com/). The keynote takes place at 9am Pacific time on January 9th, 2007.

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eenu
Jan 1, 2007, 05:14 PM
doesn't seem like there is much to get excited about!

amacgenius
Jan 1, 2007, 05:15 PM
The only two I'm betting on are iLife '07 and iTV, because those seem most feasible at this point.

A new Mac Pro and another more in depth Leopard preview would be nice, but I don't think that's in the Pipeline (kudos to those who get the joke).

Nugget
Jan 1, 2007, 05:20 PM
Sounds like the keynote will either be really boring or really surprising.

Blue Velvet
Jan 1, 2007, 05:22 PM
The Apple Product Cycle

An obscure component manufacturer somewhere in the Pacific Rim announces a major order for some bleeding-edge piece of technology that could conceivably become part of an expensive, digital-lifestyle-enhancing nerd toy.

Some hardware geek, the sort who actually reads press releases from obscure Pacific Rim component manufacturers, posts a link to the press release in a Mac Internet forum.

The Mac rumor sites spring into action. Liberally quoting “reliable” sources inside Cupertino, irrelevant “experts,” and each other, they quickly transform baseless speculation into widely accepted fact.

Eager Mac-heads fan the flames by flooding the Mac discussion forums with more groundless conjecture. Threads pop up around feature wish lists, favorite colors, and likely retail price points. In a matter of days, a third-hand, unsubstantiated rumor blossoms into a hand-held device that can do everything except find a girlfriend for a fat, smelly nerd.

Apple issues it customary “we don’t comment on possible future products” statement in response to inquiries about the hypothetical new product. Mac fanatics are convinced that they're onto something.

The haters enter the fray to introduce fear, uncertainty and doubt. How expensive will the product be? Will it support Windows file formats? Will it work with my ten-year-old Quadra 840AV running Mac OS 8.1?

As Macworld or the Worldwide Developer’s Conference draws near, the chatter builds to a fever pitch. Rumor sites jockey for position, posting a new unverifiable, contradictory rumor every hour or so. eBay is flooded with six-month-old, slightly used gadgets as college students, underemployed web designers and independent musicians struggle to clear credit card space.

On the morning of Steve Jobs’s keynote presentation, the online Apple store grinds to a halt as Mac-heads set their browsers to refresh every 15 seconds.

Steve Jobs spends the first half-hour of his keynote crowing about how many iPods shipped during the previous six months and how many “native applications” have been developed for OS X. Attempting to appear as though it’s just an afterthought, he finally introduces the new Apple product. The product has sleek, clean lines, a diminutive form factor, and less than half of the useful features that everyone was expecting. Jobs announces that the product is available “immediately.”

Five minutes later, the new product appears on the online Apple store. Orders have an estimated ship date that is four weeks away.
The online Apple store takes 50,000 orders in the first 24 hours.

Apple’s stock surges as Wall Street analysts proclaim the new device will be “Apple’s savior” and the key to turning around the decades-long decline in Apple’s share of the global PC market.

The haters offer their assessment. The forums are ablaze with vitriolic rage. Haters pan the device for being less powerful than a Cray X1 while zealots counter that it is both smaller and lighter than a Buick Regal. The virtual slap-fight goes on and on, until obscure technical nuances like, “Will it play multiplexed Ogg Vorbis streams?” become matters of life and death.
The editors of popular Mac magazines hail the new device as the next great step toward our utopian digital future. Wired News runs exclusive interviews with the Apple design team. Fortune publishes another glowing fluff piece about Steve Jobs, proclaiming him to be the great visionary behind all technological innovation. Newsweek declares the device the new “must have” item for any self-respecting urban technophile. All of this is written before anybody outside of Cupertino has held the new device in his or her hand.

Business Week publishes an article stating that unless Apple immediately releases a Windows version of the new product its market share will continue to shrink and Apple will be out of business within six months. Mac zealots howl with fury and crash Business Week’s email server with their angry rebuttals.

In the wee hours of the morning on the initial ship date, as the Mac heads lay snug in their beds or take MDMA and dance to bad music, Apple delays everybody’s ship date by four weeks.

Rage reigns in the Mac forums. Lifelong Mac users who would never consider purchasing anything made by Microsoft or Dell, regardless of how shabbily Apple treats them, vent their anguish and frustration. Failing utterly to see the irony of the situation, they prattle on until their panties are twisted in knots.

The rumor sites abound with half-baked theories blaming the shipping delay on everything from heat dissipation problems to SARS. The most obvious explanation, that Apple lied about the initial shipment dates, is ignored in favor of more elaborate and unlikely scenarios.

Apple’s stock plummets as Wall Street analysts fret about the company’s supply chain problems. The same analysts who were raising their targets on Apple three weeks earlier appear on CNBC and predict that Apple could file for bankruptcy as soon as the week after next.

A week before the revised ship date rolls around, small quantities of the new product begin to appear in Apple’s retail stores. Chaos ensues as crazed Mac-heads queue up hours before the stores open, hoping to get their hands on one of the prized gizmos. The bedwetting in Mac Internet forums reaches tidal proportions as people post empty threats to cancel their online orders. The devices begin to appear on eBay and get bid up to absurd premiums over MSRP.

Pointless outrage slowly turns to pointless optimism. Driven insane by the lack of instant gratification, would-be customers profess their willingness to gun down the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny if it would hasten the arrival of the FedEx delivery person.

Nerd porn threads appear in the Mac forums. Some lunatic with too much time and money on his hands disassembles the new device down to the bare, soldered components and posts pictures.

The obligatory “I’m waiting for Rev. B” discussion appears in the Mac forums. People who’ve been burned by first-generation Apple products open up their old wounds and bleed their tales of woe. Unsympathetic technophiles fire back with, “if you can’t handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen. *****.” Everyone has this stupid argument for the twenty-third time.

Apple issues a press release to announce that they have now taken orders for over 100,000 of the new devices and shipped at least eight or nine dozen. Backorders and waiting lists stretch into months.

Movie stars, professional athletes and rappers begin accessorizing with Apple’s new gadget. Shaquille O’Neal appears on the cover of ESPN The Magazine using one. Mac fans unconditionally forgive him for Kazaam.

Wall Street analysts appear on CNBC wearing big smiles and bright spring colors to announce that Apple's new device will drive Apple's sales to unprecedented levels and might be the key to turning around the decades-long decline in Apple’s share of the global PC market. Apple's share price surges. People who understand the root cause of the dot com bubble shake their heads in silent disgust.

Trade publications and business magazines begin to refer to the market for Apple's new product as a "space."

A minor, rarely occurring flaw in the device begins to be discussed in the Apple support forums. Whiny, artistic types post lengthy diatribes about how this terrible design flaw has made the device unusable and scarred them emotionally. Electronic petitions are created demanding that Apple replace the devices for free, plus pay for counseling to help traumatized users overcome their emotional distress.

Taken completely by surprise at the success of Apple's new gadget, executives from Dell or Sony or Microsoft appear on CNBC and offer vague suggestions that they are beginning development of a new product to compete with Apple. In its next issue, PC Week magazine publishes an article declaring that Apple's dominance of the [insert gadget here] space is in jeopardy.

Weeks before most users are able to hold Apple's new gadget in their hands, "What features would you like in the next version?" discussions take place on Mac mailing lists. Mac-heads cook up droves of far-fetched, often bizarre ideas. A cursory reading makes it readily apparent why Apple executives pay no attention to their fanatical customers.

Apple releases the first software update for the new device through its Software Update control panel. Several hours later, it pulls the updater. A small number of people who applied the update experience crashes, data loss, headaches and ennui. The Apple support forums are filled with outraged posts. A day or so later, Apple releases a revised installer without comment, then quietly removes the angry posts from its support forums.

Somebody starts a thread on a Mac chat board that asks whether anyone knows of a way to use the new device with some other nerd toy in a way that makes no sense whatsoever. Out of the blue, somebody writes a hack that facilitates the unholy combination and offers it as $39 shareware. Seven of the nine people who actually try to use the hack download it off of BitTorrent and use a pirate serial number. Advocates point to this as an example of how independent Mac software development is thriving.

Dell or Sony or Microsoft releases a competing device which costs $100 less and is based on completely incompatible, Windows-only technology. Business Week declares Apple's dominance of the [insert gadget here] space over. Angry Mac zealots make plans to surround Business Week's corporate offices with torches and pitchforks until someone points out that fire and garden tools are so un-digital.

Wall Street analysts appear on CNBC to explain that Apple's device will never be able to compete with the onslaught of cheaper Windows-based competitors. Apple's stock plummets. Idiot technology investors experience a brief moment of deja vu before they return to masturbating to photos of Maria Bartiromo.

Consumers discover that the Windows-based competitor to Apple's device contains a proprietary digital rights management technology that prevents them from using the device to do anything expect except look at family photographs taken in the last 20 minutes.

An obscure component manufacturer somewhere in the Pacific Rim announces a major order for some new bleeding-edge piece of technology that could conceivably become part of some expensive, digital-lifestyle-enhancing nerd toy. The fun begins again...

http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/

:D

iJawn108
Jan 1, 2007, 05:24 PM
I think we'll see QT 8 previewed.:D

Rocketman
Jan 1, 2007, 05:31 PM
I am expecting MACworld to bring (2/3 of):

A couple of interesting new MacPro BTO options.

A new iMac which is an iTV mainframe of sorts.

iTV enabled monitors.

An iTV breakout box for talking to existing computers and televisions.

802.11n in many places including a "surprise" (to some) announcement Macs have been shipping with 802.11n for several months now and it can be enabled by a software update (available today).

A consumer SAN.

New iPod games

New iLife/iWork apps and upgrades and backgrounds.

FCP update.

One more thing: Video iPod

Later: a "media release" perhaps leading to or at NAB
Later: an iTunes event announcing more movie studios and broadcast content libraries.
Later: Leopard, Mac-Mini C2D, MacMaster (workstation class system)

Rocketman

4God
Jan 1, 2007, 05:38 PM
I think we'll hear more on iTV. I also think now would be the time for iLife and Leopard announcements. It wouldn't surprise me to see an update to the displays, including a built in iSight and a move from 23" to 24" - don't know 'bout that 50 incher though. :rolleyes: I don't think we'll see an update to FCP or MacPros untill NAB.

jtaylr77
Jan 1, 2007, 05:39 PM
Jobs receives a call during keynote and reaches into his pocket...


...audience errupts with joyful tears...








...pulls out iTunes compatible motorola phone....



...audience sighs....and cries....


....Steve gets another call 5 mintues later...


...pulls out iPhone

...geeks bumrush the stage and carry Steve off on their shoulders

umu
Jan 1, 2007, 05:46 PM
How about some kind of iSight?

Metatron
Jan 1, 2007, 05:46 PM
Whatever happend to the thin macbook? That is all I wanted this year.

21stcenturykid
Jan 1, 2007, 05:49 PM
Could apple maybe announce tv shows for uk itunes? IF not does anyone have any ideas when they might be releaseing these??

RichP
Jan 1, 2007, 05:53 PM
Wow, only a week away...


nice post BlueVelvet Ive read it before, but it is always applicable


Here's hoping there is something completely new or unexpected released!

mkrishnan
Jan 1, 2007, 05:53 PM
Whatever happend to the thin macbook? That is all I wanted this year.

I don't think there's been any compelling evidence to support that, sadly. At least, several very seemingly viable component technologies, such as ULV C2D's, are not available yet.

For the iSight, too, no really compelling evidence of what the revised product would be, should there be one.

spookje
Jan 1, 2007, 05:55 PM
As long they don't announce a MacBook Pro update it's all fine for me. Not sure if I would be shocked when they announce 100 pixels extra screen, or better videocard. But if they are going for a higher resolution like 1920x1080px for a 15" inch edition. Then it will be troublesome for me!

arn
Jan 1, 2007, 05:55 PM
I don't think there's been any compelling evidence to support that, sadly. At least, several very seemingly viable component technologies, such as ULV C2D's, are not available yet.
.

not only that, but none of the rumors really pointed to MWSF for a compact Macbook.

arn

mkrishnan
Jan 1, 2007, 06:01 PM
not only that, but none of the rumors really pointed to MWSF for a compact Macbook.

Agreed... I lust after it, but I have very low expectation of seeing it in January....

Nice work with the summary, Arn! :D

One other thing I think are interesting... We widely expect an iLife 07, but there have been basically no rumors related to how it will differ from iLife 06. I mean there're lots of obvious speculations, but....

FleurDuMal
Jan 1, 2007, 06:02 PM
Pfft...they shamefully overlooked my rumour :rolleyes:

Karpfish
Jan 1, 2007, 06:04 PM
12" Mbp

UberMac
Jan 1, 2007, 06:11 PM
Jobs receives a call during keynote and reaches into his pocket...

...audience errupts with joyful tears...

...pulls out iTunes compatible motorola phone....

...audience sighs....and cries....

....Steve gets another call 5 mintues later...

...pulls out iPhone

...geeks bumrush the stage and carry Steve off on their shoulders

Nice idea. I have to say IF an [insert apple phone name here] was launched I'm pretty sure I'd buy one as I'm in the market right now. *shrug* Who knows!?

Uber

OdduWon
Jan 1, 2007, 06:14 PM
with iTv,the new features in iChat (background images), and the rumors of new iSight and apple game console, perhaps we will se see some type of iToy like device.:p

Also, with updates to iChat, perhaps we will see some smaller form of iSight for use with iTv and iPod/TelePod. This would also allow people to watch movies with friends around the world with a core animation powered keynote like Pic in Pic format.

Or perhaps ^QT8^ will provide this function. ;)

MacNut
Jan 1, 2007, 06:26 PM
Steve will take the stage and announce that they have created artificial life that can sing every song on your iPod while cleaning your house, he says they will be called PodPeople.:rolleyes:

hob
Jan 1, 2007, 06:28 PM
Who really needs more iLife. Honestly. I think they should bundle it with OS X, and update it all at once!

BlueVelvet, you have ruined my life forever :p First time I've read that! So true though!

peharri
Jan 1, 2007, 06:30 PM
....Steve gets another call 5 mintues later...


...pulls out iPhone

...geeks bumrush the stage and carry Steve off on their shoulders

I find it hard to believe they'll get that excited about a Cisco Wifi phone, especially if a Motorola iTunes phone doesn't do the job...

I guess we'll see more of Leopard.

We might see more of iTV. I think, contrary to what some insist upon here, that iTV will be a standalone box, requiring no additional Mac to work. There's little point in it having storage if it isn't going to be, and a consumer device requiring a computer is something I think Apple wants to get away from. At the same time, what I've seen so far is Apple seperating the media business from the computer business, and wouldn't be surprised if they actually avoid showing iTV (and iPod enhancements) at MWSF.

iPod Phone (or whatever it's called) is a no-no. I'm not ruling out it being a future Apple product, there's too much evidence it exists, I just doubt it'll be there for MWSF, both because it's not a Mac (see above comment) and because I think they'd do an actual keynote. And, as always, for Apple's sake, I hope the rumour is complete rubbish.

iLife - why, yes. Even better would be improvements to iWork, notable some of the missing components added. Apple lacks an office suite. iWork is not an office suite, and Mac enthusiasts do everyone no favours by pretending it is. If Apple are unwilling to complete iWork, they could throw their weight behind NeoOffice.

I really love the game console rumour. It sounds completely made up to me, but now would be a great time to introduce something, even if it's just a low cost Mac mini in practice. The Playstation 3 is a disaster. The Xbox 360 isn't selling in anything like the numbers Microsoft hoped. The only console that's actually moving at the moment is the Wii, and the low power of the thing means it might only have a year of marketability in it. If ever there was a time for Apple to jump into the market, it would be now. But that said, I seriously doubt they will.

Silentwave
Jan 1, 2007, 06:31 PM
Jobs receives a call during keynote and reaches into his pocket...

...audience errupts with joyful tears...

...pulls out iTunes compatible motorola phone....

...audience sighs....and cries....

....Steve gets another call 5 mintues later...

...pulls out iPhone

...geeks bumrush the stage and carry Steve off on their shoulders

Are you sure you don't work for Steve?

miketcool
Jan 1, 2007, 06:31 PM
Thank you Human Resources for moving my next payday to Jan. 9th.

>signed<

Soon To Be Broke-Again

twoodcc
Jan 1, 2007, 06:41 PM
Sounds like the keynote will either be really boring or really surprising.

i'm hoping really surprising...

iMikeT
Jan 1, 2007, 06:43 PM
I thought the keynote was scheduled to take place on Jan 8.:confused:

Marx55
Jan 1, 2007, 06:44 PM
iPhone with built-in Mac OS X mobile with pictures:

http://www.t3.co.uk/news/247/communications/mobile_phone/evidence_mounts_for_january_iphone

http://www.t3.co.uk/nested_content/gallery_assetlisting_navigation?root=633162&result_page=1
http://www.t3.co.uk/nested_content/gallery_assetlisting_navigation?root=633162&result_page=2
http://www.t3.co.uk/nested_content/gallery_assetlisting_navigation?root=633162&result_page=3

Now, imagine it as the ultimate computerless wireless all-in-one presentation remote of native Keynote and PowerPoint presentations.

Huge halo effect on all corporate, education and domestic markers.

We need tons of them!

juanm
Jan 1, 2007, 06:45 PM
Steve will take the stage and announce that they have created artificial life that can sing every song on your iPod while cleaning your house, he says they will be called PodPeople.:rolleyes:

Or maybe... iRobot? :D

Sorry, but I had to say it.

Mydel
Jan 1, 2007, 06:56 PM
I'm not expecting too much but some update to MBP would be welcome. Like new magneting latches as MB has, and maybe better screen and graphic card.....everyone can dream...

Sky Blue
Jan 1, 2007, 06:58 PM
The only console that's actually moving at the moment is the Wii, and the low power of the thing means it might only have a year of marketability in it.


No.

i'm hoping really surprising...


http://images.apple.com/home/2007/images/welcome2007_20070101.jpg


This year better be good!

Daveway
Jan 1, 2007, 07:01 PM
This year better be good!

I just saw this! OMG1!!1

Apple is putting the heat on for MWSF. I think they're releasing what everyone is expecting (applephone) plus many unexpected additions.

mmmm i love Apple

What does it mean!?! :)

Ktulu
Jan 1, 2007, 07:02 PM
http://images.apple.com/home/2007/images/welcome2007_20070101.jpg


This year better be good!

Where did you find that image? Are there others?

UberMac
Jan 1, 2007, 07:04 PM
Prettyful picture from Apple.com hompage


*pwetty*

*eyes glaze over*

Me likes!

Uber

Daveway
Jan 1, 2007, 07:04 PM
Where did you find that image? Are there others?

Its on the Apple.com front page

monke
Jan 1, 2007, 07:05 PM
This year better be good!

I sure hope so.

Where did you find that image? Are there others?

On the Apple website, right in the middle of the main page. :)

Ktulu
Jan 1, 2007, 07:07 PM
Thanks for the insight on the image everyone....You'd thinnk I would have just checked there first.:rolleyes:

know-it-all5
Jan 1, 2007, 07:07 PM
that pic, means a great macworld. it means jobs is going all out for the 30th anniversary things.

FleurDuMal
Jan 1, 2007, 07:09 PM
http://images.apple.com/home/2007/images/welcome2007_20070101.jpg


This year better be good!

It's all gone a bit 1984.

"The first 30 years were just the beginning.............NOW WE TAKE CONTROL!"

*cue troops blocking off all transport routes and closing down all forms of communication as Steve Jobs consolidates power*

The next millenia will belong to the racially pure nerdy 30-something urban professional.



Sorry, I've just read "The Plot Against America" :o

GoCubsGo
Jan 1, 2007, 07:09 PM
Jobs receives a call during keynote and reaches into his pocket...
...audience errupts with joyful tears...
...pulls out iTunes compatible motorola phone....
...audience sighs....and cries....
...Steve gets another call 5 mintues later...
...pulls out iPhone
...geeks bumrush the stage and carry Steve off on their shoulders

Elaborate. They're rewriting Steve's keynote as we type to include your idea that would probably make one of the best keynotes ever! kudos!

I think we'll see iTV, iLife 07, iWork 07, update to FCP because it is time, Leopard, and a new "standard" config in MacPro to include the x1900 card for their mid-range model with the option to upgrade to the over-priced ATI.

In place of Leopard we may see the iphone. I doubt we'll see all three (tv, phone, os).

jonharris200
Jan 1, 2007, 07:15 PM
Thanks arn for the (early?!) round-up.

One thing's for sure. Apple will save their PR gunpowder. Even if all the rumoured products are ready for release, you can guarantee they'll keep a few things up their sleeve for later in the year. (This will disappoint those who fail to appreciate that MWSF never contains a complete roadmap for the following 3 months, let alone the next year.)

I reckon:

- Updates to iLife and iWork
- New Video iPod and iTV released
- Leopard previewed with more cheeky digs at our Redmond friends, Vista etc, but not due for launch until March
- No word on an iPhone whatsoever, which will freak some people out

One thing that would be fantastic would be a complete overhaul to .Mac. What are the chances I wonder? :confused:

What's exciting though is that the rumours are so far so unreliable. :D

chubad
Jan 1, 2007, 07:16 PM
This year is a tough one so far. Weak rumors at best. Apple has really stepped up the secrecy and plugged the leaks. Like others have said it will either be insanely great or insanely disappointing. To tell you the truth, unless some better sourced rumors surface I think it may very well be a disappointing keynote.:(
I hope I'm wrong.

jonharris200
Jan 1, 2007, 07:18 PM
Whoa... apple.com homepage. :eek:

UberMac
Jan 1, 2007, 07:18 PM
To tell you the truth, unless some better sourced rumors surface I think it may very well be a disappointing keynote.:(
I hope I'm wrong.

So just because there are no rumors makes the Keynote a failure by default?! :eek: :p If you ask me, it makes it all the more exciting - we won't actually know what is coming for once!

Uber

MarcelV
Jan 1, 2007, 07:28 PM
....as a continuation of Jobs last iTV performance. Apple will show how the connected world is going to look. You will have the Mac, the new iTV (probably a launch date will be provided), the new MacPhone, a new .Mac service that will be the key for phone content and syncing, and a new widescreen iPod (not sure about the touchscreen, but will be available immediately). And of course, a full Leopard preview that is the engine behind the full integration. It will become more about the concept this time. Much less about the devices as the Leopard launch will be the key of the platform. The iPod can be launched as it is not directly tied in, but the phone, Leopard and .Mac 5.0 are directly related. The 'top-secret' features? Push technolgy utilizing .Mac to the phone. And because the phone will sync two way with .Mac, your Mac will be kept updated on iCal, Address Book. And even iTunes will know what songs you wanted to purchase utilizing Gracenote's Music ID (the audio fingerprinting technology developed by Philips.)

Just my thoughts, but this is an area the will be able to become a major player in the market.

freeny
Jan 1, 2007, 07:29 PM
Unless something not mentioned yet is unveiled this Macworld will be just an average event.

I used to be excited about a full screen iPod but the rumors have brought about so many disappointments pertaining to the release date that I don't care any more.

The phone is so over hyped that anything short of a miracle product will be a huge letdown.

iTV has already been announced before and its inclusion in in this MW has been practically promised by SJ himself. If its only a streaming device then for the predicted price it sounds nice but nothing Im going to run out and get. Throw in an encoder and tivo like function and I might grab one.

A Leopard release would be cool but we all know that aint happening.

Perhaps Ill be proven wrong.....

xelavelobos
Jan 1, 2007, 07:29 PM
I am very excited about this year, but apple will be smart not to do too much in one show. I mean how many surprises and new products can they release at one time before the public gets overwhelmed or exhausted (i.e. the dinosaur sequence in king kong)? I think they will focus on a few special things, probably not the phone though.

sluthy
Jan 1, 2007, 07:33 PM
Any chance of updated MBPs? I'm looking to possibly buy one next month but I'm not sure if they're quite competitive enough yet. The major milestone I'm waiting on is HD screens. When Dell can give good quality HD screens in cheaper laptops with equivalent specs (MacOSX notwithstanding), I'm not sure I could part with my money that way. (BTW, when I say HD, I mean 1920x1080, not some bull 720 stuff or anything).

On a related note, Leopard is said to be due "in Spring", so between Mar-May - will I get a free upgrade to Leapord if I buy a MBP in Feb? Or will I be up for another $220 in a month? :(

gldfsh419
Jan 1, 2007, 07:39 PM
So let's say that Steve announces iLife 07 and a release date for Leopard...

If I buy a new MacBook Pro on January 10, is it possible that either of those items might be a free "upgrade" or add-on once they're available? I'm trying to remember how that's worked in the past, but I just can't recall.

Can anyone help me out?

RBMaraman
Jan 1, 2007, 07:40 PM
12" Mbp

Not gonna happen.

The only time the words "Pro" and "12 Inch" fall together is in reference to pr0n.

kalisphoenix
Jan 1, 2007, 07:47 PM
Pretty excited about this Stevenote.

* iTV
* Leopard
* iLife '07

The rumored stuff this year is all retarded. "Maybe we'll all get Apple phones!" And maybe I'll give a flying #$%^ at a rolling donut. I have a phone, and I spend approximately 3 minutes on it per month. My wife and I are thinking of going prepaid for this reason. The last thing I'm going to do is buy a danged smartphone.

Gah. It's all silly.

Chef Medeski
Jan 1, 2007, 07:58 PM
Pretty excited about this Stevenote.

* iTV
* Leopard
* iLife '07

The rumored stuff this year is all retarded. "Maybe we'll all get Apple phones!" And maybe I'll give a flying #$%^ at a rolling donut. I have a phone, and I spend approximately 3 minutes on it per month. My wife and I are thinking of going prepaid for this reason. The last thing I'm going to do is buy a danged smartphone.

Gah. It's all silly.
A phone is best used to make phone calls not for music. If you want to listen to music theres a nano... I dont like the idea of putting them together compromising each other.

Phone Compromises:
Worst reception or larger size due to the added multimedia.
Buttons are geared towards music instead of calls and stuff that is useful for making calls.

iPod Compromises:
Shorter battery life than iPod
No Line-out for superior audio quality.
Worst navigation for selecting songs.

I like a great phone and a great iPod. Not an alright phone and alright iPod in one place so I cant just carry one or the other.

Macula
Jan 1, 2007, 08:05 PM
As one of us already wrote, a lack of rumours does not necessarily entail a boring or unsurprisingly keynote.

On the other hand, am I the only one who feels that this is the first time that, only a few days before the keynote, virtually nothing is known even with modest certainty about the upcoming product announcements, and that such little reliable inside information has leaked?

Either Apple have nearly perfected their security mechanisms or, indeed, we shall only see incremental rather than revolutionary announcements at MWSF 2007.

Also, let's not conflate MWSF 2007 with 2007 itself.

Apple has a hugely impressive portfolio of inventions and possible products (see this tidal wave of patent filings in 2006). I am sure they will keep many of their cards for later in the year, and that MWSF will be a smart first move on the chessboard -- not a massive preemptive strike.

Reverend Wally
Jan 1, 2007, 08:24 PM
Why not just build the "iThing" ....

Sort of like Bruce Willis' apartment in The Fifth Element.

A small rectangular object with an Apple dial on it that you call up the menu and can choose between an automobile (iCar) and menu again to choose the Macbook Pod, and when you get to the lot you live at you click on a menu item and your house comes out of the ground and you park your iCar and click on a menu item to open the lock on the door, then go into the iKitchen to make dinner in your iMicrowave.

Oh yeah ... and all the doors and windows (yucky word) in the iHouse are shaped like the Apple logo.

Hmmm .... even an Apple logo shaped iSwimming Pool.c

:rolleyes:

jonhaxor
Jan 1, 2007, 08:32 PM
Wouldn't it make sense to put an HD tuner in the new displays along with the iSight? .. that would make it pretty easy to rip videos and sync onto the video iPod and i'm guessing you could have an iTV app that's as easy to use as iTunes .. change the TV/monitor market in much the same way that they helped to change the home stereo market .. hrrm.

Reverend Wally
Jan 1, 2007, 08:34 PM
OK ....

This is what will happen at MWSF.

A new technology will be introduced. About 2 minutes after that a wavering shimmer will appear on stage and "POP" ... A capsule will appear, and out of it will climb an iAndroid which in reality will be an android built by future Apple, Inc. and will have Steve Job's brain installed in it. He will then announce that as a result of the previously announced new technonlogy the iTraveler, an Apple time travel machine was made possible and was built in the future enabling him to come back in his new android body to show us all just how truly advanced Apple has really become.

Then we will all gather to sing "We Are The World" to bring the MWSF to a dramatic and exciting climax.

:p

Tommy Wasabi
Jan 1, 2007, 08:34 PM
Jobs receives a call during keynote and reaches into his pocket...


...audience errupts with joyful tears...








...pulls out iTunes compatible motorola phone....



...audience sighs....and cries....


....Steve gets another call 5 mintues later...


...pulls out iPhone

...geeks bumrush the stage and carry Steve off on their shoulders



Looks to me like another post by Fake Steve

(http://www.fakesteve.blogspot.com)

kalisphoenix
Jan 1, 2007, 09:14 PM
Looks to me like another post by Fake Steve

(http://www.fakesteve.blogspot.com)

Heh... kinda lacks the Zen aura, though. Not that Steve's very Zen.

I had a similar thing back in my misspent youth, 4-5 years ago. A fake George Bush on Livejournal. I got bored though and quit because all the girls who friended me and wanted to have my baby were really tubby.

Kirbdog
Jan 1, 2007, 09:29 PM
I am hoping that movies and TV shows get offered outside the US on the iTunes store. Steve mentioned that this would be happening in 2007 when he previewed the iTV box. I think many would like to see this sooner than later.
A true video iPod would really compliment this announcement:D :D

OdduWon
Jan 1, 2007, 09:33 PM
i hope this year apple takes a wider stance on how they support the artists used in there iTMS collection. More web links and a way of getting straight to their upcoming show list would be a nice start, as some were lost when iT 7 came out.

With iTv you could have a "front row" seat for live streamed concerts and events. This would be like pay-per view but with a apple tie in.

And if you had a camera setup YOU could be the event. A sort of iCast ;)

Mac'Mo
Jan 1, 2007, 10:46 PM
i thought the iPhone rumor was laid to rest?

uNext
Jan 1, 2007, 11:16 PM
I want new displays & new airport extreme.

Just this weekend, I went to my local apple store. I was extremely close to purchasing a 23" lcd display and the airport express. But then my sub-conscience voice started to talk to me and advised me to wait just 1 more week, to see what apple will offer. I cant wait for this event to roll around
and get no sleep in anticipation of what will be released it happens every year.

Aniej
Jan 1, 2007, 11:27 PM
something about the iPhone rumors has been bugging me and I think I just placed my finger on it. I don't know why I didn't think of this before, but the limited storage capacity that is supposedly going to be available compared to the direction all the other iPods have been going. I don't know that the 8GB (maximum reported) would be in line with the purpose of a combined phone and iPod from a company that is the actual maker; I could see this size from a Motorola, but not the company where all the big expectations are centered.

D34thPwny
Jan 2, 2007, 12:09 AM
In any case, it should be really cool and innovative!
You know, 'cause, they never do that...

aswitcher
Jan 2, 2007, 12:40 AM
With iTV (whatever) I expect Apple to release firmware upgrades for all current model Macs to enable their 802.11N capable wireless.

I also think the Mini and Airport Extreme/Expresses will get and update to have 11N.

solvs
Jan 2, 2007, 03:00 AM
I'm hoping they release a mini laptop. That's the only thing I really care about. Which means they probably won't.

I try not to expect too much so I'm not disappointed.

needthephone
Jan 2, 2007, 04:19 AM
Personally speaking I can't get excited about software. An OS is an OS windows, OSX I don't care as long as it works (OK advantage Apple but if MS did the job I would use it) Ilife come on, surely something not as dull as free software no one uses.

Please let it be new stuff you can hold.

dernhelm
Jan 2, 2007, 04:26 AM
Personally speaking I can't get excited about software. An OS is an OS windows, OSX I don't care as long as it works (OK advantage Apple but if MS did the job I would use it) Ilife come on, surely something not as dull as free software no one uses.

Please let it be new stuff you can hold.

Expect both. Steve will spend some time on OS/X, because he promised us all last time he would. But he'll also spend some time on iTV, and there will definitely be some other device. There always is... :)

gikku
Jan 2, 2007, 05:25 AM
Leopard for G3s, please.

An iMac with an adjustable screen height, with dual C2D chips.

A Macbook with a proper keys on the board.

A new low end range of desktops and notebooks with a core solo chip, for volume sales.

Mac Mini C2D 2.33Ghz

popelife
Jan 2, 2007, 05:37 AM
I think we'll see... update to FCP because it is time

Something might be happening there. My order for a custom-build MBP and FCP Universal upgrade is taking a month... not because building the MBP is taking so long (3 days to put it together), but because the FCP upgrade is delayed.

How long can it take to get a small box of DVDs off a shelf? Hmm...

(OTOH, if there's a big FCP update, I'm sure I wouldn't get it for the £35 I paid).

hokka
Jan 2, 2007, 05:39 AM
new iPod that can be used to control & maybe mirror what's shown on the new iTV within range, and it uses BT headphones to avoid the problem of plug & unplug 3.5 jack all the time. All changed from a single dock...

popelife
Jan 2, 2007, 06:48 AM
Leopard for G3s, please.

An iMac with an adjustable screen height, with dual C2D chips.



Thereby adding $300 to the price...? Doesn't seem likely.

Need four cores? Buy a Mac Pro.


A Macbook with a proper keys on the board.


Maybe I'm weird, but I really like the MB keyboard (I did some tests and found that I can touch-type significantly faster on the MB keyboard). The MBP keyboard looks old-fashioned and fussy by comparison, and the tactile feedback from those rounded-off edges isn't very good. So I really want the reverse - a cleaner-design MacBook Pro that uses something more like the MB keyboard.

Manual
Jan 2, 2007, 07:16 AM
I am expecting MACworld to bring (2/3 of):

A couple of interesting new MacPro BTO options.

A new iMac which is an iTV mainframe of sorts.

iTV enabled monitors.

An iTV breakout box for talking to existing computers and televisions.

802.11n in many places including a "surprise" (to some) announcement Macs have been shipping with 802.11n for several months now and it can be enabled by a software update (available today).

A consumer SAN.

New iPod games

New iLife/iWork apps and upgrades and backgrounds.

FCP update.

One more thing: Video iPod

Later: a "media release" perhaps leading to or at NAB
Later: an iTunes event announcing more movie studios and broadcast content libraries.
Later: Leopard, Mac-Mini C2D, MacMaster (workstation class system)

Rocketman

happy new year everybody!
my local retailer told me on friday that they had been unable to order larger quantities of imacs for schools ... apple (germany) told him that they have to wait for macworld because new (upgraded? entirely new?) imacs will be presented there ...

since macworld SF has usually been a consumer-based event I think this would be possible

this is my 1st contribution to this forum (which i really enjoy to read!!!) :)

Macula
Jan 2, 2007, 07:24 AM
There WILL be an Apple phone at MWSF

-- HOWEVER --

it will only have modest music playback capabilities. If you want a good music player AND a good phone then you will have to buy a Nano AND an Apple Phone.

Machead III
Jan 2, 2007, 08:41 AM
There WILL be an Apple phone at MWSF

-- HOWEVER --

it will only have modest music playback capabilities. If you want a good music player AND a good phone then you will have to buy a Nano AND an Apple Phone.

If wish this was more than just paper thin speculation, because this is exactly what I want to be the case: there's nothing I want to do less on my phone than play music.

islanders
Jan 2, 2007, 08:42 AM
Have you guys seen how small the Nano is? It is very simple interface. I could see this being incorporated into a phone and still be very simple interface, small, and useful.

Some people would want an everything device for the subway or those times when your stuck in line, traffic or whatever.

I think a lot of these extra features are more of an added value that don’t compromise the primary function.

Who knows some kind of voice recognition text messaging, do everything device that as small as an iPod.

Is it going to happen? Probably not. But this is fun part, and with Apple anything is possible.

MacinDoc
Jan 2, 2007, 09:11 AM
Already posted on another thread, just re-posted here for ease of reference, my predictions for MWSF '07:

1. iTV details/specs, to be released by March. Alongside iTV will be non-Disney movies at the iTunes store and support for pre-N wireless in the current MacBooks and MBPs. All other Macs to be updated to include pre-N by March.

2. New displays, likely with integrated iSight.

3. "Secret" features of OS X 10.5 revealed. To be released in the first half of 2007 (actual release date to be in June, but Apple will not announce this until April).

4. iWork '07 with spreadsheet app.

5. iLife '07 will not be introduced until the Apple phone arrives, since features of the phone will be supported in iLife. Furthermore, no phone at MWSF; look for it in May instead.

Edge100
Jan 2, 2007, 09:42 AM
Sorry if someone else has mentioned this already, but I also expect Apple to announce (if not release) a new version of Logic, either at MWSF or at NAMM, which starts about a week later.

The latter is more likely, since its a music industry event, but one way or another, Logic is due for an upgrade. Seriously!

Perhaps not of interest to everyone, but important for the musicians here...

Whistleway
Jan 2, 2007, 10:36 AM
doesn't seem like there is much to get excited about!

Or basically all rumors are messed up. No one knows whats coming except iLife and OS X preview. Talk about all the time wasted on these rumors :(

Roy Hobbs
Jan 2, 2007, 10:48 AM
An iMac with an adjustable screen height, with dual C2D chips.



I would love to see an iMac with a height adjustable screen. Dual c2d chips would be nice too. But I would rather have the height adjustment. My wife wants a 24 inch iMac but the hutch on her desk is 0.6 inches to short.

MatthewCobb
Jan 2, 2007, 10:50 AM
Or basically all rumors are messed up. No one knows whats coming except iLife and OS X preview. Talk about all the time wasted on these rumors :(

What's this site called again? Oh.

MrFirework
Jan 2, 2007, 10:51 AM
not only that, but none of the rumors really pointed to MWSF for a compact Macbook.

arn

True enough... but have any of the new product rumors really pointed to MWSF for anything?

Rocketman
Jan 2, 2007, 11:24 AM
Thereby adding $300 to the price...? Doesn't seem likely.
Need four cores? Buy a Mac Pro.


Since Intel is releasing the 2.0 Ghz C2Q chip this week, it seems likely to find its way into an iTV and/or iMac device. That's four cores on the cheap.

Rocketman

Roy Hobbs
Jan 2, 2007, 11:30 AM
Since Intel is releasing the 2.0 Ghz C2Q chip this week, it seems likely to find its way into an iTV and/or iMac device. That's four cores on the cheap.

Rocketman


Highly unlikely that the Quad chip will end up in the iTV. Especially at the already announced $299 proce point of iTV

poppe
Jan 2, 2007, 11:36 AM
I have to say I'm not excited for a single rumor yet for the this Macworld. iPhone maybe but who has money after Christmas... I mean I sure don't not for a phone anyways...

iTV. Could careless about it unless there is something better than what is already expected.

Only thing I can hope for is that they have some updates on Leopard like doing a blackish gray theme or something.

iLife... nothing really useful I use in there. How about a Microsoft Killer app so I dont have to mess around with Word (not that it doesn't work fine on here).

Rocketman
Jan 2, 2007, 12:22 PM
Highly unlikely that the Quad chip will end up in the iTV. Especially at the already announced $299 proce point of iTV

The shown device was the "breakout box".

iTV is YA Apple "ecosystem" comprising of software like OSX, Front Row, and super DVR. It has a ($299) breakout box to hook to existing computers and TV's. It has a new iMac, which if you buy it, replaces 2-3 separate elements. It will have a supersize display screen with iTV enabled features.

Of course this is all speculation, but it is based on a wide ranging discussion of media experts since the pre-release of iTV.

Rocketman

PlayballTim
Jan 2, 2007, 12:54 PM
I can't see Apple coping with carriers and competitors like Nokia, and Motorola, but CAN see Apple chasing the 100,000,000 user plus PTP phone market with a wifi phone. I've got a dozen other reasons, but it adds up to 1,200 words that can't fit here. But check out the rationale on my blog, CogentPassion (http://cogentpassion.blogspot.com/2007/01/its-gonna-be-wi-fiphone-apple-wi-fi.html):

Multimedia
Jan 2, 2007, 01:27 PM
Spoke with an expert video editor last night and he thinks it's worth waiting for Stoakley-Seaburg (http://techreport.com/etc/2006q4/clovertown/index.x?pg=1) in the 8 core Mac Pro which he thinks is more likely to happen around May-June with a pre-announcement at NAB perhaps. So while I hope the 8 core gets announced, I am probably not going to be the earliest of adopters after all.

Want to give my son a true widescreen video iPod for this past Christmas so will be looking for that as well.

iTV will be interesting but I'm not sure how it will fit in with my mix yet as I don't fully understand its advantages to date.

Will be more interested in visiting the Canon booth and taking a closer look at the HV10 (http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=177&modelid=14059&WT.mc_id=C123719aven.com/) as my first HDV camera.

Roy Hobbs
Jan 2, 2007, 01:36 PM
The shown device was the "breakout box".

iTV is YA Apple "ecosystem" comprising of software like OSX, Front Row, and super DVR. It has a ($299) breakout box to hook to existing computers and TV's. It has a new iMac, which if you buy it, replaces 2-3 separate elements. It will have a supersize display screen with iTV enabled features.

Of course this is all speculation, but it is based on a wide ranging discussion of media experts since the pre-release of iTV.

Rocketman

If I had to bet on it I am willing to bet that what was already shown is all we are going to get. A "break-out" box that streams media from a mac to the TV

freeny
Jan 2, 2007, 01:51 PM
So let's say that Steve announces iLife 07 and a release date for Leopard...

If I buy a new MacBook Pro on January 10, is it possible that either of those items might be a free "upgrade" or add-on once they're available? I'm trying to remember how that's worked in the past, but I just can't recall.

Can anyone help me out?

I would guess no. If it happens within 14 days you could return the computer for a new one with the new software installed.

Billy Boo Bob
Jan 2, 2007, 02:57 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing some Skype integration alongside the cell... When in range of a Wi-Fi, be a Skype phone (optional)... When out of Wi-Fi range, work as a cell.

Granted, it's not as smooth sounding as a real cell phone, but the way the kids in the house burn up minutes during the day, I'd rather have them use Skype so they can call their friends all they want. That is when they are wanting to talk privately (like most of the time) rather than use MSN Messenger. Maybe some Wi-Fi / Bluetooth option to use it through audio iChat, too. :-)

I doubt that they would do that, though. Especially if they end up being a virtual carrier... They'll want you to use up minutes like any cell carrier.

ldkaplan
Jan 2, 2007, 03:07 PM
You probably don't like penut butter cups either :-(

I have a treo 700p...I'd much rather have a mac version of some sort to keep my calendar, listen to music and take calls. A multi-tool might not be for everyone, but there are plenty of folks that would love it. And what if it had video chat as well?

I really like the iTV/iSight rumors. Someone needs to bring video chat for the home user to the mainstream. And if it's not dependent upon having a mac desktop (ie running some sort of light OS) then it would be a huge market hit, IMHO.


A phone is best used to make phone calls not for music. If you want to listen to music theres a nano... I dont like the idea of putting them together compromising each other.

Phone Compromises:
Worst reception or larger size due to the added multimedia.
Buttons are geared towards music instead of calls and stuff that is useful for making calls.

iPod Compromises:
Shorter battery life than iPod
No Line-out for superior audio quality.
Worst navigation for selecting songs.

I like a great phone and a great iPod. Not an alright phone and alright iPod in one place so I cant just carry one or the other.

BillyShears
Jan 2, 2007, 03:19 PM
On a hunch I'm calling updated MacBook Pros.

Reverend Wally
Jan 2, 2007, 03:31 PM
On a hunch I'm calling updated MacBook Pros.

Did that not just happen ... :cool:

popelife
Jan 2, 2007, 03:35 PM
Since Intel is releasing the 2.0 Ghz C2Q chip this week, it seems likely to find its way into an iTV and/or iMac device. That's four cores on the cheap.

Rocketman

I see where you're coming from, but I believe the processor in the current iMacs is the laptop Merom C2D, which is why the iMac tops out at 2.33GHz, and the FSB is 667MHz. TDP for most Meroms is 35W.

The Core 2 Quad is a desktop processor, with a TDP more like 80-100W. So not suitable for the iMac without a big redesign.

Do correct me if I'm wrong.

Wasn't aware there's a 2.0GHz version of C2Q...

SactoGuy18
Jan 2, 2007, 04:41 PM
I personally think we'll see this:

1) 2G iPod nano available in 16 GB edition. Apple drops the 2 GB edition and lowers the price of the 4 GB to $175 and 8 GB to $225.

2) 30 GB 5.5G iPod dropped, replaced by new 40 GB model. 80 GB model has no changes.

3) "True" video iPod (about the size of the Samsung Q1 handheld computer) arrives with 16:9 aspect ratio screen with full touchscreen functions. Will offer either 80 GB or 120 GB hard disk drive capacities.

retrospek
Jan 2, 2007, 04:58 PM
I really hope the iTV will stream internet radio as well as iTunes stuff..

I can then replace my Roku with it...

GeeYouEye
Jan 2, 2007, 06:15 PM
Guaranteed, or almost guaranteed:
iWork 07
iLife 07
iTV

Very likely:
A new feature or two in Leopard, possibly with a release month
A new Jam Pack or 2
More iPod games

Likely:
Speed bump to one or more Mac lines
Demo of Photoshop CS 3
Update to some pro software app (but not all)

Less likely:
Discontinuation of Appleworks (only if iWork '07 includes a spreadsheet)
release date for Leopard
Major upgrade to Mac mini (video card upgrade) or MacBook Pro
New Displays
iPhone
Touch-screen video iPod

Unlikely:
New iMac form factor
Major upgrade to any line other than mini or MBP
New consumer software other than a spreadsheet addition to iWork
Upgrade to Logic, Filemaker, Shake, or Aperture
Immediate release of Leopard
New iPod form factor (iPod Micro, for example)
802.11n

"Yeah, no.":
New Pro App
New iPod Hi-Fi
xMac or any other new Mac line
Any new Apple peripherals (ie printer, scanner, camera, speakers.)
PCI(e) slots in anything but the Mac Pro :(
Apple switches back to PPC.
New kernel in Leopard

There, did I miss anything?

sluthy
Jan 2, 2007, 06:35 PM
Did that not just happen ... :cool:

Likely:
Speed bump to one or more Mac lines
...

Less likely:
....
Major upgrade to Mac mini (video card upgrade) or MacBook Pro
New Displays
...

Unlikely:
...
Major upgrade to any line other than mini or MBP
...

:( How long ago were the MBPs updated? Because I'm looking to buy Jan/Feb and I'm not confident that the current spec is competitive. It at least needs a HD screen.

OdduWon
Jan 2, 2007, 07:37 PM
I really hope the iTV will stream internet radio as well as iTunes stuff..

I can then replace my Roku with it...

Yeah it would be cool to be able to have a "frontrow" to concerts and events thru iTV. also it wold be cool to have the ability to record sows thru the iTMS at a flat rate per episode. this could bring new content providers on board with apple.

Johnner1999
Jan 2, 2007, 08:41 PM
before I get beat-up ...


that picture on Apple site with the light or Sun coming behind th Apple logo... What if Apple is Buying Sun?


Ok kind of lame I guess -- but that is my guess


either-way its 6 nights of sleeplessness

sthpark7791
Jan 2, 2007, 08:54 PM
Apprently, the keynote is going to be 2 hours long!

http://digg.com/apple/Steve_Jobs_Keynote_Slated_to_be_2_Hours_Long

peharri
Jan 2, 2007, 09:40 PM
that picture on Apple site with the light or Sun coming behind th Apple logo... What if Apple is Buying Sun?


I certainly hope not. Sun may not produce the glamourous stuff, but it is exceedingly great at inventing and innovating on the back-end and they're open with it. Apple buying Sun wouldn't make them any more innovative, but I can see Apple's culture of secrecy and proprietary control killing much of what Sun does.

Apple's proprietary attitude may or may not help it on the consumer desktop, but it wouldn't be successful everywhere.

kalisphoenix
Jan 2, 2007, 09:47 PM
I certainly hope not. Sun may not produce the glamourous stuff, but it is exceedingly great at inventing and innovating on the back-end and they're open with it. Apple buying Sun wouldn't make them any more innovative, but I can see Apple's culture of secrecy and proprietary control killing much of what Sun does.

Apple's proprietary attitude may or may not help it on the consumer desktop, but it wouldn't be successful everywhere.

Not to mention the NeXTSTEP vs. Apple, Cocoa vs. Carbon schism. Those two philosophies have not learned to work together as well as I would have hoped. Introducing a third, profoundly different culture could be disastrous.

Apple: Computers for home users and schools.
NeXT: Computers for developers and researchers.
Sun: Computers for government and corporations.

I can't even imagine what Sun's influence on the hardware and software would be. It'd be positive, I'm sure -- a lot of geniuses at Sun -- but all of the other factors inside the companies and cultures could never be predicted.

chillywilly
Jan 2, 2007, 10:18 PM
Guaranteed, or almost guaranteed:
iWork 07
iLife 07
iTV

Very likely:
A new feature or two in Leopard, possibly with a release month
A new Jam Pack or 2
More iPod games

Likely:
Speed bump to one or more Mac lines
Demo of Photoshop CS 3
Update to some pro software app (but not all)

I agree with the above. Although what can they add to iLife 07 that needs to be added? Guess we'll find out in less than a week.

Reverend Wally
Jan 2, 2007, 10:23 PM
:( How long ago were the MBPs updated? Because I'm looking to buy Jan/Feb and I'm not confident that the current spec is competitive. It at least needs a HD screen.

The C2D upgrade happened in November. The 17s actually shipped toward the last part of November. I can't understand why anyone would think that an improvement is needed in the displays on the MBP line. Some of you must have extaordinary vision if you could expect the video to be crisper or any more HD than it is. When I am viewing HD TV on this MBP, it actually blows the picture that we get on our HDTV set. And movies are really realistic looking on this screen. I perceive that anyone wanting a major upgrade to what I am seeing right here is going after "bragging rights" .... But that is just MHO

I also own a bad A$$ custom built notebook with a kick butt video card and super duper display and I actually like this Mac better. Again ... MHO

:cool:

MasterJediDan
Jan 2, 2007, 10:51 PM
http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/

:D

LOL!! Nice :D. Very funny, and very true.

iW00t
Jan 2, 2007, 11:44 PM
Anyway do you guys think a ultra portable Apple laptop is in the works?

Like say a 12 inch Macbook Pro?

islanders
Jan 3, 2007, 07:55 AM
I agree about the word processor. I never could understand why Apple didn’t offer a few more features to make AppleWorks useful.

I’m using FrameMaker, but that was discontinued for OSX on Mac.

Too many mine fields in Word.

I was set on a new lap top and Mini, but it’s going to be a difficult decision. There is a lot of misinformation floating around, and sometimes the Mac community isn’t as forthcoming and honest as they should be. It’s like they are more concerned if the stocks go up or down than providing an accurate assessment.

My first powerbook was good to me, but the climate/quality has changed, and I’m going to keep my options open.

I’ll wait and see what’s behind curtain number three, but not sure a Mac is the best choice for the average person.

Homy
Jan 3, 2007, 09:39 AM
iMac 17" is not in stock anywhere in european Apple Stores and other web shops. Ships after 3 days, it says. In Canada all iMacs ship after 3-5 days.:cool:

popelife
Jan 3, 2007, 10:31 AM
What any of this has to do with MWSF rumors I'm not sure, but...

I agree about the word processor. I never could understand why Apple didn’t offer a few more features to make AppleWorks useful.

I’m using FrameMaker, but that was discontinued for OSX on Mac.

Too many mine fields in Word.

I always liked AppleWorks for what it was (remember, this is over ten years ago now), but yeah, there was a long period when AppleWorks was hung out to dry. In fact, unless we get that spreadsheet app in iWork next week, things are still a bit "transitional".

Problem is, because MS Word has become so dominant, it's been tough for anyone to develop a viable competitor. Which would be fine, except Word has sucked for years now. MS can't design interfaces.

I bought Office for the Mac out of necessity, but I find myself using Pages these days. I don't need power-user functions that much, I just need to be able to write words and enjoy doing it. With Pages I do. With Word I find myself screaming in disbelief at how awful it is every five minutes.

If Steve unveils a Pages update at MW which adds a little more power, that would be nice (although the only things I really need are full "based-on" style sheet hierarchy, and the ability to count words in a selection. If I need to do proper page layouts, then I pull out InDesign.)

If you're a big Framemaker user then I don't know what the solution is. What do you need that current WP's don't do?


I was set on a new lap top and Mini, but it’s going to be a difficult decision. There is a lot of misinformation floating around, and sometimes the Mac community isn’t as forthcoming and honest as they should be. It’s like they are more concerned if the stocks go up or down than providing an accurate assessment.


You've lost me here. "Not as forthcoming and as honest as they should be?" Have you seen the bitching about MacBook Pro displays, iTunes 7, graphics processors, and so on? Doesn't seem like anyone's holding anything back.

On the whole though, there's comparitively little to complain about in the Apple world. You want to see some complaining? Let me boot up my PC ("New hardware detected" my ass. Cancel, cancel, cancel... ah, a cursor, good, it's working... no it isn't... wait... hourglass... wait...)

As for misinformation... er, do you mean the MWSF rumours? That's not misinformation, it's people guessing. The idea is to grab yourself a pinch of salt and enjoy the fun.


My first powerbook was good to me, but the climate/quality has changed, and I’m going to keep my options open.


Which climate are you're referring to?

Over the last few years, competition has forced all computer manufacturers to drive prices down dramatically, sometimes at the expense of quality. Apple have similarly slashed prices, yet their industrial design standards are still way ahead of the competition. I've never seen a PC that comes apart as elegantly as a G5 tower or Mac Pro. There are equally great things about the iMacs, the MacBook, the Mini (I would also leave out the MBP - nothing particularly wrong with it, but I think it needs a design update to bring it into line with the rest of the range. Didn't stop me buying one just before Xmas mind you).

It's always possible to find criticisms, but if anything I think the quality of Apple products has gone up, not down. Crikey, when I think back to some of the Macs I've owned - PowerBook 5300c, PowerMac 8100... ugh.


I’ll wait and see what’s behind curtain number three, but not sure a Mac is the best choice for the average person.

What is then?

Unless your number one priority is to spend as little cash as possible, I think Apple's products are strong contenders simply on design and quality grounds (I have a friend who got a MacBook Pro purely to run Windows on, after he'd had so many PC laptops fall apart on him). OS X makes Macintosh the best choice for anyone concerned with usability (which should be every computer user). And Boot Camp makes a Mac the only sensible choice for anyone wavering between Windows and OS X. Have cake, can eat it too.

popelife
Jan 3, 2007, 10:48 AM
Anyway do you guys think a ultra portable Apple laptop is in the works?

Like say a 12 inch Macbook Pro?

I would have thought this was a certainty, but I think it's unlikely to be ready for MacWorld. Perhaps when a MBP redesign comes along (In conjunction with Santa Rosa?)

New mobile processors from Intel arrive this month that make it all possible.

If by some miracle there is a smaller laptop at MW, I think it'll be a 12" MacBook, rather than a MBP.

A small MBP depends on finding a suitable low-power GPU, because otherwise there's not much to differentiate MB and MBP.

See subnotebook discussion on the portables forum.

Aniej
Jan 3, 2007, 11:44 AM
Perhaps appleinsider should start to focus on their own site rather than apple's new products as part of their 2007 resolutions. Their homepage is, as you can see from my screenshot, full of useful information complete with an advertisement for vista. Classic:rolleyes:

islanders
Jan 3, 2007, 02:07 PM
I guess a 14’’ laptop with a decent word processor is too much to ask for?

Fuzzputer
Jan 3, 2007, 02:10 PM
Hi,

I have had a look at Macrumor's buyers guide. Except for the MacBook that is even very new, everything else is apparently only half way through its life cycle. So it would really be surprising if something got updated. Is this even more of a reason to expect someting REALLY NEW??:eek:

mowogg
Jan 3, 2007, 02:12 PM
I don't read too much into the Apple home page image. I think it only means that the transition to Intel is over and now Apple can concentrate on other efforts.
I think the keynote will yield few surprises. I foresee a lengthy demonstration of Leopard, giving the consumer POV, and how great it will be. Maybe a few more features will be leaked out, but probably the focus will be on the consumer-level stuff like stationary in mail.app. Also, iChat will take up a lot of time.
I think we'll see some upgrades to the MacPro line. Maybe more cores or processors or something, but what you might expect. Likely Blu-ray BTO option.
iLife will get an update, with most of the changes in iWeb, which will support multiple site construction. It will be more robust and Steve will make a couple of sites with it. iWork will see some more templates and transitions, but no spreadsheet app will be shown. They may offer further integration with iApps and address book/mail (Leopard-only)
iTV (whatever it's called) will make a minor appearance, and some more details will emerge, but other than front row integration, it won't be a big deal.
No phone of any kind will be presented. Steve will publicly quash the rumor saying that Apple has looked at the existing market and can't find a value-add there. After that, a bluetooth iPod/cell phone interface will be presented that allows your iPod to show caller ID and shut off when a call comes in. It also allows for initiating calls from the iPod address book.
iPods will get a HD bump to 100Gb & 60Gb at the same price point, Nano & Shuffles may also get larger storage, but not likely.
No wide screen iPod will be shown. Steve will say it saps too much battery life, and will point to the Zune as the example of "what not to do". Steve will note that most cars sold in the US have iPod integration and how 2007 will be a banner year for iPod integration in home & car.
A Mighty Mouse MKII will debut in both wired and BT form, with a better track ball (non-analog) and industry-leading battery life on the BT version.

I think that'll be about it.

Rocketman
Jan 3, 2007, 03:30 PM
Anyway do you guys think a ultra portable Apple laptop is in the works?

Like say a 12 inch Macbook Pro?

I for one don't. I think what the rumors are referring to is a "netboot" device over wi-max (and Edge or its replacement) in a handheld form factor.

32gb or so of flash or P-RAM local storage would allow reasobable pre-fetch of 1/4HD and any streams you are following. Computer apps take a small fraction of the storage and bandwidth of video apps. Plenty of room for battery in such a device too per Shuffle.

This addresses the ultra-portable market, the post newton market, the video iPod market (mobile TiVo), the iChat and text message market, and the crackberry replacement market.

Think about it. You are talking with Apple's or your server, or a Google server of all your content of all types on a device capable of mobile broadband and reasonable display (perhaps 1/4 HD). You have earbuds in too.

Rocketman

Fuzzputer
Jan 3, 2007, 03:44 PM
I for one don't. I think what the rumors are referring to is a "netboot" device over wi-max (and Edge or its replacement) in a handheld form factor.
...

Rocketman

Now this would be something REALLY NEW!!:eek:

If it had GPS capabilities and an organizer and the stuff you find in a PDA, I think I could drool for it...

rog
Jan 3, 2007, 03:47 PM
My predictions:
Price cuts across the board for Macs. Mini starts at $399 to compete with low cost wintel machines. 24" iMac @$1499. 17"MacBook @$2199. I think iMacs will go quad core except the $699 model, MacPros will be in 2 configs at 8 core, and 1 config at 16 core for $2499. Ship date for 10.5. Early preview of unnamed next generation OS due in early 2009. New iLife and iWork of course. No iPhone or updated iPods.
Also a 10.5" (1152x768) ultraportable 2.5lb MacBookMini.

know-it-all5
Jan 3, 2007, 04:34 PM
Hi,

I have had a look at Macrumor's buyers guide. Except for the MacBook that is even very new, everything else is apparently only half way through its life cycle. So it would really be surprising if something got updated. Is this even more of a reason to expect someting REALLY NEW??:eek:

i agree... we should stop looking at current products and start thinking of possible things that are new. True video ipod, iTV, and even the iphone, though i doubt apple is stupid enough to enter the cellphone market.

know-it-all5
Jan 3, 2007, 04:39 PM
No phone of any kind will be presented. Steve will publicly quash the rumor saying that Apple has looked at the existing market and can't find a value-add there. After that, a bluetooth iPod/cell phone interface will be presented that allows your iPod to show caller ID and shut off when a call comes in. It also allows for initiating calls from the iPod address book.
iPods will get a HD bump to 100Gb & 60Gb at the same price point, Nano & Shuffles may also get larger storage, but not likely.
No wide screen iPod will be shown. Steve will say it saps too much battery life, and will point to the Zune as the example of "what not to do".

I think i actually consider that a realistic idea, though there are better batteries out there so the reason for zunes lousy battery life is the need for it to be sold at 250. i think if there will be any sort of widescreen ipod, it will have to be at least 350-450 dollars for the sake of putting a decent battery and high resolution screen in such a small package.

Bern
Jan 3, 2007, 05:16 PM
Don't forget the possibility of a 12" MBP. I'm upgrading to a MBP in May, figured I might as well wait until after the release of Leopard, iLife 07, iWork 07 and so on. If a 12" model is available I'd gladly get it as long as it's not under par with current models like Apple did with the Powerbooks.

popelife
Jan 3, 2007, 06:17 PM
Don't forget the possibility of a 12" MBP. I'm upgrading to a MBP in May, figured I might as well wait until after the release of Leopard, iLife 07, iWork 07 and so on.

Sensible. If you can wait, now is probably a good time to wait. MBP updates are surely somewhere on the horizon.

If a 12" model is available I'd gladly get it as long as it's not under par with current models like Apple did with the Powerbooks.

It may have to be. I'd expect a C2D at 1.6GHz maximum. It's a heat/power/size thing. A 12" MBP would probably also have to use a less power-hungry GPU than the current machines (although something better than Intel graphics).

But for a lot of people, portability will win out over sheer power.

xenotaku
Jan 3, 2007, 07:12 PM
i am really hoping for a 12" model.

ipedro
Jan 3, 2007, 07:18 PM
I don't read too much into the Apple home page image. I think it only means that the transition to Intel is over and now Apple can concentrate on other efforts.
I think the keynote will yield few surprises. I foresee a lengthy demonstration of Leopard, giving the consumer POV, and how great it will be. Maybe a few more features will be leaked out, but probably the focus will be on the consumer-level stuff like stationary in mail.app. Also, iChat will take up a lot of time.
I think we'll see some upgrades to the MacPro line. Maybe more cores or processors or something, but what you might expect. Likely Blu-ray BTO option.
iLife will get an update, with most of the changes in iWeb, which will support multiple site construction. It will be more robust and Steve will make a couple of sites with it. iWork will see some more templates and transitions, but no spreadsheet app will be shown. They may offer further integration with iApps and address book/mail (Leopard-only)
iTV (whatever it's called) will make a minor appearance, and some more details will emerge, but other than front row integration, it won't be a big deal.
No phone of any kind will be presented. Steve will publicly quash the rumor saying that Apple has looked at the existing market and can't find a value-add there. After that, a bluetooth iPod/cell phone interface will be presented that allows your iPod to show caller ID and shut off when a call comes in. It also allows for initiating calls from the iPod address book.
iPods will get a HD bump to 100Gb & 60Gb at the same price point, Nano & Shuffles may also get larger storage, but not likely.
No wide screen iPod will be shown. Steve will say it saps too much battery life, and will point to the Zune as the example of "what not to do". Steve will note that most cars sold in the US have iPod integration and how 2007 will be a banner year for iPod integration in home & car.
A Mighty Mouse MKII will debut in both wired and BT form, with a better track ball (non-analog) and industry-leading battery life on the BT version.

I think that'll be about it.

How depressing :( ... what a pessimistic member.

Remember, this is the premier event of the year, a date Apple is working hard towards during most of the year. It's a high profile event and has become even more so in the past years.
Apple will want to make a splash and will indeed do so, at the very least with their next big device: iTV.

Mowogg doesn't seem to take into account that Steve Jobs hypes everything to the highest degree... and yes, we buy it. iTV is Apple's next big thing and I fully expect this and Leopard to be the BIG THING @ MWSF2007. This is Macworld after all.

This would point to iPods being a footnote in the keynote, but the original iPod's end of cycle status (it hasn't been updated for quite some time, by iPod standards) and the fact that Zune was released earlier, I have a feeling Steve Jobs will want to one up Microsoft in the music player department after doing so with a demonstration of Leopard in the OS department.

iPhone is iffy... I think it could wait for its own special event a month or so after MWSF... but Steve Jobs may want to reveal it when he talks about Leopard and its new orientation towards communication via iChat and the Apple Phone. I have no doubt it is in development as SONY's walkman phones are becoming increasingly popular and playing a part in pop culture just as the iPod itself did when it was new.

Apple didn't buy a communications center for nothing. Something's going on and I have a feeling we're gonna get some information about where Apple is going @ MWSF.

sluthy
Jan 3, 2007, 07:31 PM
The C2D upgrade happened in November. The 17s actually shipped toward the last part of November. I can't understand why anyone would think that an improvement is needed in the displays on the MBP line. Some of you must have extaordinary vision if you could expect the video to be crisper or any more HD than it is. When I am viewing HD TV on this MBP, it actually blows the picture that we get on our HDTV set. And movies are really realistic looking on this screen. I perceive that anyone wanting a major upgrade to what I am seeing right here is going after "bragging rights" .... But that is just MHO

I also own a bad A$$ custom built notebook with a kick butt video card and super duper display and I actually like this Mac better. Again ... MHO

:cool:

But the screen on the 17in MBP (1680x1050) by definition can't do HD (1920x1080). I don't care how well it can scale down, scaling down is not playing at true native resolution, and with most new content heading toward 1080i (and eventually 1080p), getting anything less than that now is just heading toward a dead end media wise IMO.

know-it-all5
Jan 3, 2007, 07:36 PM
This would point to iPods being a footnote in the keynote, but the original iPod's end of cycle status (it hasn't been updated for quite some time, by iPod standards) and the fact that Zune was released earlier, I have a feeling Steve Jobs will want to one up Microsoft in the music player department after doing so with a demonstration of Leopard in the OS department.
do u consider the september update an update?

ipedro
Jan 3, 2007, 07:57 PM
do u consider the september update an update?

The September update was clearly a small boost to carry the iPod through Christmas without revealing the whole enchilada.

Apple has a whole strategy involving multimedia and communication and it shows in all their latest moves. I have no doubt that the iPod and an iPhone (maybe they're the same thing) along with iTV will play a major part in all that.

Just a few days to go.

popelife
Jan 3, 2007, 08:07 PM
I guess a 14’’ laptop with a decent word processor is too much to ask for?

What's wrong with a MacBook and:

a) Pages
or
b) MS Word (yuck... but ymmv)
or
c) Framemaker in Boot Camp

?

Agreed, the world of word processing isn't overrun with great apps. Times change, and word processing just isn't sexy any more... even though there are plenty of theses and books and magazine articles still being written.

(I notice that MS are preparing to give away updates to Office 2007 - and Vista - to anyone that got Office pre-installed on their PC. Talk about abusing their monopoly... No struggling WP developer can hope to survive against those sort of tactics.)

With a bit of luck Pages 3.0 will be along next week. Hardly a keynote showstopper, but props to Apple for getting into that market at all. Pages is cute.

If you specifically need the long-doc and publishing features of Framemaker, then it's Windows time. Sad but true. Take it up with Adobe.

phungy
Jan 3, 2007, 08:31 PM
Found a coupon code if anyone wants to go to Macworld.

1. Go to the Macworld website and click "Register Today"
2. Enter coupon code digg
3. You can get the 4 day exhibit hall pass for free.

Mac'Mo
Jan 3, 2007, 08:49 PM
give me an apple clothing line!

doo-hik-ee
Jan 3, 2007, 09:06 PM
give me an apple clothing line!

I can't believe I am saying this, but: WORD.

islanders
Jan 3, 2007, 10:43 PM
What's wrong with a MacBook and:

a) Pages
or
b) MS Word (yuck... but ymmv)
or
c) Framemaker in Boot Camp

?

Agreed, the world of word processing isn't overrun with great apps. Times change, and word processing just isn't sexy any more... even though there are plenty of theses and books and magazine articles still being written.

(I notice that MS are preparing to give away updates to Office 2007 - and Vista - to anyone that got Office pre-installed on their PC. Talk about abusing their monopoly... No struggling WP developer can hope to survive against those sort of tactics.)

With a bit of luck Pages 3.0 will be along next week. Hardly a keynote showstopper, but props to Apple for getting into that market at all. Pages is cute.

If you specifically need the long-doc and publishing features of Framemaker, then it's Windows time. Sad but true. Take it up with Adobe.



It’s going to be a difficult decision.

The MB only has a 13.2’’ screen. I want that extra inch to the 14.1.

I don’t like the idea of running Windows through OSX and Bootcamp. When I should only need one OS to operate a word processor.

Word isn’t a good option for me.

I may just go with BootCamp, Windows, Adobe, but that means buying Windows, BootCamp, and I’m concerned about conflicts.

Thanks for the other tips for the word processors.

I’m going to wait and keep my options open, although I want something now.

If it works perfectly, I may go with Bootcamp.

daneoni
Jan 4, 2007, 05:02 AM
Im not really holdng my breath.

Sales and figures

Leopard pitch

iPod updates (excluding Nano)

iLife/iWork updates (Lasso?)

Mac Pro updates

Display updates

I think thats it. Then further down the line...say April/May/June, we'll get iTV, iPhone, MBP/MB updates etc. I feel a Leopard release coming on at WWDC. iPod refreshes and more iTunes content in october and then Merry Christmas to all.

Homy
Jan 4, 2007, 06:11 AM
iLife '07 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FApple-Computer-iLife-07-Mac%2Fdp%2FB000B8UOU2%2Fsr%3D1-1%2Fqid%3D1167869764%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dsoftware&tag=reality&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325) and iWork '07 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FApple-Computer-iWork-07-Mac%2Fdp%2FB000BKE87U%2Fsr%3D1-2%2Fqid%3D1167869786%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dsoftware&tag=reality&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325) are out on Amazon.

Yahgo
Jan 4, 2007, 08:55 AM
Macworld 2006 keynote was 1.5 hours long, with only 2 surprises... iMac Intel and MacBook Pro Intel, so if Macworld 2007 keynote is 2 hours long it must mean more then 2 major annoucements. Here is what I see happening:

Steve will start by talking about retail stores (showing the new Fifth Ave store) and how many people came in during the Holiday quarter. Then he will tell us how much revenue the stores made during that quarter. Steve will then say how much total revenue Apple has made during the year, because the CFO of Apple (Peter Oppenheimer) doesn't want to confuse any analyst who many be attending or watching. Steve will go on to talk about iPods and how well it's doing with market share, how many they sold durning the holidays and which car companies are now on board with iPod, he may even talk about Nike+iPod. DON'T EXPECT ANY iPod UPDATES. Steve will then talk about iTunes and how many downloads it has. We may see some more movie studios come on board and even the Beatles on iTunes. Then he will talk about iTV , give a demo and annouce that it will be shipping today or February. After the iTV Demo, Steve will say that the rest of the time will be spent on the Mac. He will then go into iLife '07 and give a demo of iPhoto, iMovie, iWeb, Garageband and tell you about iDVD but no demo because of time. Then he will show us iWork '07 with new Keynote features and themes with updated charts and Pages plus a new application (maybe Charts) After iLife and iWork he will talk about Leopard and maybe show some new "Top Secret" apps since Vista is lauching for consumers on 1/30/07. I expect him to release Leopard at WWDC not at MacWorld. He will update Aperture. He will then announce some third party software from Adobe (Premiere and Photoshop) and Microsoft (Office) which will come out and demo their new products. Then Steve will talk about the iMac and Mac Mini and update both. I don't expect any updates on Laptops. Then the one more thing will be the iPhone (iChat Mobile) and Steve will talk about the years of development and partnerships and demo the product by doing a video chat with someone (Phil) then he will thank everyone at Apple who worked on the product and thank everyone for coming to MacWorld. So if you compare last year's updates with this year's you will see 2 additional products demos iTV and iChat Mobile, this is what will take the extra 1/2 hour. So to sum it up here is what you'll see.

1) Retail Updates
2) iPod / iTunes Sells
3) iTV
4) iLife/iWork
5) Leopard
6) Aperture 2
7) Adobe and Microsoft Updates
8) iMac update
9) Mac Mini update
10) iChat Mobile (iPhone)

whatsleep
Jan 4, 2007, 12:12 PM
Here are the things I expect to happen:

1. New Displays: all have built in isight. sizes 20" 24" 30". all same price or cheaper than current screens. Perhaps they will also introduce a large display, designed for the living room (40-60")
2. Phone: will run dashboard widgets, provide internet capability of some sort, probably have dual batteries
3. Leopard: will announce the ship date. It might be right away, but if not, it will probably be before the end of january or february
4. Video iPod: will have a larger screen, with a widescreen aspect ratio
5. iTV: will be annnounced but not available immediately. in addition to the already announced features, will display in HD quality and allow you to access the itunes store from your couch
6. iTunes: will now sell movies and TV Shows that are HD quality

Here are some things that could be announced, but I think are less likely (for the reasons I've listed). I think they are all coming, just not necessarily at MacWorld:

1. 8 core mac pros - doesn't seem like the right venue for this announcement, but I expect to see them soon
2. thin and light mac book/mac book pro - I think this will come later as well, not good to announce new expensive hardware right after the holidays
3. slight bumps to the imacs/mac minis - Since there are not new processors, the bumps might be in hard drive size or memory. Since these announements are not that exciting, I wonder if they might be made quietly over the coming months rather than at the show. I think it is possible that they will do something here, but nothing major.

Wishful thinking:

I'd love them to introduce a machine targetted at switchers. It would be slim form factor computer (though larger than the mini). It would have specs similar to the iMac (or perhaps exactly the same) but no monitor. The cost for this would be between $800 and $1200. This machine would be targetted at people who already have a nice monitor, keyboard and mouse and simply want to swap out their aging windows xp machine for a new fast mac that can run both Leopard and Vista.

ldkaplan
Jan 4, 2007, 03:27 PM
For a word processor, I'm using Open Office...I'm pretty happy with it except that it uses X11.

Maybe Apple will announce an Aqua port of Open Office that comes installed on all new products...that would be sweet. They'd have to rip out the power point tool to not canibalize Keynote.

For the rumor on the thin mb and mbp, I'll be damn pissed. I just got my mb because it was updated in November. If they do an upgrade that fast, I'll be really pissed off.

What's wrong with a MacBook and:

a) Pages
or
b) MS Word (yuck... but ymmv)
or
c) Framemaker in Boot Camp

?

Agreed, the world of word processing isn't overrun with great apps. Times change, and word processing just isn't sexy any more... even though there are plenty of theses and books and magazine articles still being written.

(I notice that MS are preparing to give away updates to Office 2007 - and Vista - to anyone that got Office pre-installed on their PC. Talk about abusing their monopoly... No struggling WP developer can hope to survive against those sort of tactics.)

With a bit of luck Pages 3.0 will be along next week. Hardly a keynote showstopper, but props to Apple for getting into that market at all. Pages is cute.

If you specifically need the long-doc and publishing features of Framemaker, then it's Windows time. Sad but true. Take it up with Adobe.

popelife
Jan 4, 2007, 03:55 PM
I may just go with BootCamp, Windows, Adobe, but that means buying Windows, BootCamp, and I’m concerned about conflicts.

Use Boot Camp and your Mac is a Windows PC, just like any other (although arguably nicer to look at ;) ). Any "conflicts" will be precisely the same conflicts that you'd get on a PC laptop.

BTW, right-clicking on an Apple notebook is now awesome! The "two-fingers on trackpad" click is great, and actually easier than having two buttons IMO.

Boot Camp is free. All you have to buy is Win XP. Get the OEM version and it's pretty cheap.

islanders
Jan 4, 2007, 08:28 PM
Use Boot Camp and your Mac is a Windows PC, just like any other (although arguably nicer to look at ;) ). Any "conflicts" will be precisely the same conflicts that you'd get on a PC laptop.

BTW, right-clicking on an Apple notebook is now awesome! The "two-fingers on trackpad" click is great, and actually easier than having two buttons IMO.

Boot Camp is free. All you have to buy is Win XP. Get the OEM version and it's pretty cheap.

That’s good news about the trackpad. I had to send back an iBook because the trackpad was erratic.

With the announcement of Adobe Premier, I’m holding out hope for Frame on OSX. Maybe they are waiting for the stock options scandal to blow over.

You can sign the petition for Frame OSX here.

http://www.fm4osx.org/index.html

Otherwise a 14’’ long battery life would be nice.

Kane.Elson
Jan 4, 2007, 09:27 PM
Only thing I can hope for is that they have some updates on Leopard like doing a blackish gray theme or something.


Ekk no, please please please apple if you are going to put a black theme in leave the light theme as an option. I can't stand dark themes and having one would really ruin the useability of OSX for me. I like my desktops light and cheerfull....

popelife
Jan 5, 2007, 05:27 AM
Otherwise a 14’’ long battery life would be nice.

Battery life is currently restricted a bit by the power requirements of Core 2 Duo. It may have kick-ass performance, but you pay with typically 3-hours battery life - a bit short of the four hours or so I can squeeze out of my iBook.

That should change a bit this year. Apple could produce a notebook based on the new L-series low voltage Meroms e.g. a smaller lighter MacBook with longer battery life (but slower performance - 1.5 or 1.6GHz). Possibility of something like this being shown at MWSF? Pretty remote.

Towards the end of 2007, the first 45nm Penryn chips should be out, which will have the performance of Merom, but with lower power consumption. Maybe Apple will wait until then to produce a really small notebook.

There may also be other power savings, from flash-enhanced HDs, lower-power displays, better battery technology, etc.

Problem is, there's always something better coming in nine months time. You could wait forever.

daneoni
Jan 5, 2007, 06:10 AM
I dont get why people are saying we will get updates to MacBook Pros/iMacs, what will they be updated with?. The Core 2 Duo chips are still the newest chips from intel. Santa Rosa is yet to debut.

I dont see any updates to them im afraid at MWSF. Maybe we'll see the ultrathin MBP but i highly doubt it...

Compile 'em all
Jan 5, 2007, 08:22 AM
For a word processor, I'm using Open Office...I'm pretty happy with it except that it uses X11.


Use NeoOffice. It is a port of OpenOffice and uses Aqua instead of X11.

Compile 'em all
Jan 5, 2007, 08:27 AM
BTW, right-clicking on an Apple notebook is now awesome! The "two-fingers on trackpad" click is great, and actually easier than having two buttons IMO.


Do you have any idea if it is possible to get such a feature working on non-intel machines (e.g powerbook G4)?

CEAbiscuit
Jan 5, 2007, 09:57 AM
Do you have any idea if it is possible to get such a feature working on non-intel machines (e.g powerbook G4)?

iscroll2

http://iscroll2.sourceforge.net/ - sometimes a little clugey, but it works...

SactoGuy18
Jan 5, 2007, 09:58 AM
I saw the January 5, 2007 multipage flyer ad for Fry's Electronics and noticed that there are no ads for any Apple iPod model. This is VERY strange considering that previous Friday multipage flyer ads prominently include iPod models.

Makes you wonder is Apple going to do a "mid-cycle" refresh of the 5.5G iPod and 2G iPod nano, along with introducing the new "true" video iPod.

clayyoung747
Jan 5, 2007, 02:12 PM
http://www.thestreet.com/_mktwrm/markets/activetraderupdate/10330882.html
look at number one. if this is true, could this mean that macworld is possibly steve's last keynote for a good while? IF it is, then we could possibly see more than we thought this time. But who knows, at the moment its just a rumor

peharri
Jan 5, 2007, 03:14 PM
Well, I ended up having to build a small time machine to find out what would be announced. Wasn't difficult, except that Objective C is a PITA. Anyway, here's the log cut and pasted from engadget.com

(Note, order of lines is in chronological order, for obvious reasons)

8.55am Hall is close to full. Lot of excited murmmering, lights still on. REM tracks playing, audience is mostly annoyed.

9.01 "Losing my religion"

9.03 lights dim, Jobs takes to the stage

9.05 Welcome everyone, great year for Apple, iPod Hifi, Intel switch

9.10 More on the way, better products, great year ahead for Apple

9.25 30 Years of Apple, 30 great more years. Achievements include Apple I, Apple II, Apple IIe, (listing each product)

9.45 Time to talk about what's next. May have heard a rumour about a phone. (Audience laughter)

9.47 iPod Phone. It's a headset. Plugs into iPod. Excellent sound quality.

9.50 Also handsfree kit for a cellphone. Bluetooth or 2.5mm jack.

9.55 Just to re-interate, as people on IRC feed seem to think otherwise, iPod Phone is a handsfree kit. So you don't have to take off your headphones when answering phone. It's not a cellphone. Audience seems troubled by this.

9.57 Integrates with iChat Video too, using Bluetooth feature. Now having chat with Bill Gates over iChat.

9.58 Range: 10-20 feet (extension cables available, for wired connections). "Works with all carriers"

10.05 "So that's iPod Phone", $299 for basic version (iPod nano), $499 for version for iPod. Now, iTV.

10.10 New name "iMac mini"

10.12 Comes with keyboard and mouse. Wireless available.

10.15 View content downloaded from iTunes. Simple configuration to see shared music libraries.

10.17 Still demonstrating configuration options.

10.25 Several Apple engineers are now on stage showing Steve how to point the iMac mini at Phil's iTunes library.

10.28 Music is now being downloaded. Shared content is automatically downloaded into local storage to avoid network stutters. iMac mini is not available for use during download. Entire library is downloaded each time.

10.30 "On to the next thing", 3% of library downloaded. "Leopard". "This one changes its spots"

10.35 Significant changes underneath.

10.40 My. Word. Steve Jobs has just demonstrated the superiority of ZFS over other file systems. You have to see that to be believed. Take a look at the stream when it's posted. I mean, it was unreal. I've never seen such a clear technical explanation that was so obvious and compelling about a file system before.

10.45 Clapping abates for a few seconds, but then continues.

10.47 Apple employees are out with fire extinguishers, hosing audience to try to get them to quiet down so that Jobs can continue the presentation.

10.50 One last thing.

10.52 Mac in a Windows world. Impossible to run Windows applications without emulation.

10.55 Microsoft's dominance. Monoculture. Technical superiority of Windows. (?) BTW Phil's library is now 25% transferred to the iMac mini.

10.59 Poor performance of XNU. BSD "1970s" operating system. Darwin served its purpose.

11.00 Dave Cutler, designer of Windows NT/2000/XP/Vista has just come on stage.

11.05 New kernel for Mac OS X. Mac OS X high level subsystems built upon Windows. New operating system. "Mac OS W". Leopard is Mac OS W 11.0.

11.07 Jobs is now talking to Bill Gates on the big screen again.

11.08 "Best of Apple, Best of Microsoft, everything will 'just work' from now on"

11.10 On a personal note. Steve Jobs "Best years of my life at Apple"

11.12 Excited to be named CEO of Disney previous day, amazing new opportunities, but running two major companies difficult. (Bill Gates is still on screen, he's part of the conversation)

11.15 Successor at Apple needed to be picked, someone with experience, knowledge about how to succeed in a difficult market, perhaps changing Apple to be the #1 and not the #2

11.16 Bill Gates, whose departure from Microsoft was announced last year, to take the helm of Apple later this year. "I couldn't be more excited. Apple is a great company, and we're going to make some great products".

11.20 The start of another great year at Apple, thanks for coming.

11.22 Lights are back on, people are leaving conference hall.

Zwhaler
Jan 5, 2007, 03:19 PM
These past months have flown by... I'm hoping for a true video iPod. That would be a showstopper...

Homy
Jan 5, 2007, 04:31 PM
I dont get why people are saying we will get updates to MacBook Pros/iMacs, what will they be updated with?. The Core 2 Duo chips are still the newest chips from intel. Santa Rosa is yet to debut.

I dont see any updates to them im afraid at MWSF. Maybe we'll see the ultrathin MBP but i highly doubt it...The GPU Radeon X1600 in iMac is one year old now. It was launched Oct 5, 2005 by ATI. It would be a minor but yet important update.

Silentwave
Jan 5, 2007, 05:20 PM
<snip>

Never happening, even though this was naturally a joke, because not only would every apple user throw themselves off the highest mountain in Cupertino, but every Windows fanboi would jump off the steepest cliff in Redmond!

ventro
Jan 5, 2007, 06:25 PM
Modern masterpiece

Great job man. Well written.

kriskkalu
Jan 5, 2007, 06:31 PM
At macworld 2007 Apple will announce that you can download The Beatles music on iTunes and possible there will be a Beatles branded iPod.

SactoGuy18
Jan 5, 2007, 08:47 PM
At macworld 2007 Apple will announce that you can download The Beatles music on iTunes and possible there will be a Beatles branded iPod.

That may not be so far-fetched. Imagine a "true" video iPod with the Beatles brand that allows you to download A Hard Day's Night, Help!, Yellow Submarine and Let It Be onto the player for free. :)

Compile 'em all
Jan 6, 2007, 05:52 AM
11.05 New kernel for Mac OS X. Mac OS X high level subsystems built upon Windows. New operating system. "Mac OS W". Leopard is Mac OS W 11.0.


11.08 "Best of Apple, Best of Microsoft, everything will 'just work' from now on"


WTF!

BoyBach
Jan 6, 2007, 06:25 AM
I predict:

iLife '07 - 'Coverflow' integrated into iWeb and iPhoto, new & improved iWeb features, more themes for iMovie and iDVD.

iWork '07 - Pages and keynote updated, plus a spreadsheet app to take over from the now defunct Appleworks.

An extended Leopard preview, some new features and possibly a new UI(?)

iPod and iTunes - more movie studios added to the store, also available outside the US, slight revision to iPod range (increased storage?) - full-screen iPod event to follow in a month or two for full media coverage effect.

iTV - named and demoed, available today (but shipping in a month!)

One more thing - the Apple phone (all of those rumours must mean something)


I'm probably completely wrong, but I would be happy with movies and maybe TV shows on the UK iTunes Store!

djscouserboy
Jan 6, 2007, 09:40 AM
.... wild guess ....

The Beatles back catalogue will be announced as immediately available on the iTunes store.

[EDIT] .... just noticed the post above on this page .... oops

chillywilly
Jan 6, 2007, 08:47 PM
At macworld 2007 Apple will announce that you can download The Beatles music on iTunes and possible there will be a Beatles branded iPod.
An all white iPod will be introduced, while the track "Revolution #9" plays in the background.... of course, who would be the surprise musical guest on stage..... Paul or Ringo? (or maybe both... nah)

iW00t
Jan 7, 2007, 12:35 AM
Highly unlikely that the Quad chip will end up in the iTV. Especially at the already announced $299 proce point of iTV

It will be a loss leader than. Apple sells these boxes for $299 and make their money when they sell movies.

iW00t
Jan 7, 2007, 12:45 AM
But the screen on the 17in MBP (1680x1050) by definition can't do HD (1920x1080). I don't care how well it can scale down, scaling down is not playing at true native resolution, and with most new content heading toward 1080i (and eventually 1080p), getting anything less than that now is just heading toward a dead end media wise IMO.

Why do you need HD on such a small device?

People have been watching TV on 640*480 28" TV sets for decades just fine. Likewise your Macbook Pro at 17" is doing as good as it possibly can at 17 inches, not like that extra 30 pixels vertically will make some difference.

My main concern with the Macbook Pros getting higher resolution displays is that there may be a possibility that Apple will break away from the current crop of low quality grainy displays and drop something else better in. Perhaps when Leopard is released we may even get the option to BTO in a higher resolution display.

thejedipunk
Jan 7, 2007, 01:36 AM
Not that any more predictions from anyone from this point on matter any longer, but what the hell? ;)

LEOPARD LEOPARD LEOPARD
IPOD IPOD IPOD
MACS MACS MACS
iTV will be named with release/ship date

My thoughts on the phone:

I've read much stuff on here about this much epically fabled device. Several good and bad points. First, if the rumor gods are saying that they will release a basic/media phone as well as a smart phone, then, as some have already pointed out, what can Apple bring that is new to the table of basic/media phones? I think Apple should just make a smart phone, considering that more and more people are looking towards smart phone market, which I think has some room for innovation. Plus, at the same time, they can capture that oh-so-crucial enterprise market. SWITCHERS GALORE!!! Even with that, I don't see them being stupid enough to cannibalize iPod/nano/shuffle sales. At most, 2 gigs of space on the phone, which will have to be shared with the phone and any media files.

Take this also into consideration. Why would children even need Apple branded cell phones? Most children today are obviously on a family plan. Which means they get the free phones. The Apple phone would not be priced reasonably enough for me to buy all my kids (if I had kids) such a phone. What if Apple just decides to make the iPod into a super device that can even cook breakfast for you. That kills off all iPod music player sales. Not everyone would buy the phone because what they really wanted was just a music player and not a Digital Age Swiss Army Knife.

But I still want an Apple smart phone. :)

Chris Bangle
Jan 7, 2007, 01:41 PM
Apple=30years ipod=5years website=10 years apprently... Any other momentous birthdays?

Lunja
Jan 7, 2007, 06:16 PM
Dear Mr Jobs,

All I want for MWSF is a new keyboard, because it's time we had some media buttons. And a paint app so that I don't have to buy Photoshop if I want to doodle something.

Thanks,

Lunja.

mkrishnan
Jan 7, 2007, 06:33 PM
All I want for MWSF is a new keyboard, because it's time we had some media buttons. And a paint app so that I don't have to buy Photoshop if I want to doodle something.

Lunja, people actually use media buttons? :eek: I wonder, do other people here want this? I specifically don't want it. I like the way my wireless kb looks now.

Anyway, the paint program thing is one that thousands of switchers comment on. I do rather agree that there's no good simple answer to that one. Not that Apple shouldn't just bundle something simple, but apparently one MR member went so far as to write the thing himself (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=159877&highlight=posterpaint)! :eek: :D

Mr Ikasu
Jan 7, 2007, 06:45 PM
Lunja, people actually use media buttons? :eek: I wonder, do other people here want this? I specifically don't want it. I like the way my wireless kb looks now.

Definitely agreed here. My Apple KB is great in that it doesn't take up much space compared to the bloated offering from the likes of Mircrosoft and Logitech.

Ah well not long to wait now. What I like is that unlike previous years there is very little indication of what we will actually see. Loads of rumours but nothing very solid apart from iTV which is a given.

Lunja
Jan 7, 2007, 06:47 PM
above

YAY! I'll download that tomorrow!

As for media buttons, when I had my PC (shudder) I loved them. If I wanted to rewind a song or video while I was typing, I could just hit the rewind button and back it's go, withou me having to leave Word or touch the mouse. And since Apple is all about media I've always thought they'd be a nice addition.

Plus, the keyboard is WAYYYY overdue for an update. I've got an eMac from 2003 (I think...) and the keyboard is virtually the same as the one my gf just got with her Mac Pro.

edinz
Jan 7, 2007, 08:54 PM
ITV is a private independant TV channel in the UK so Apple may run into trouble with that name for it's home media centre.

thejedipunk
Jan 7, 2007, 09:22 PM
ITV is a private independant TV channel in the UK so Apple may run into trouble with that name for it's home media centre.

iTV is just Apple's in house development/prototype codename for the device. Jobs-san already said it was going to be given an official name.