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Osiris3679
Jan 2, 2007, 08:28 PM
Why are the ibooks and powerbooks just as expensive as the macbooks?? I would have thought they would go down seeing as they are on the way out and macbooks are in....I just thought it was odd.



ForeverUnknown
Jan 2, 2007, 08:55 PM
Where are you looking?

Osiris3679
Jan 2, 2007, 09:22 PM
I saw a few at apple's refurb section.....the prices surprised me

CaptainCaveMann
Jan 2, 2007, 10:07 PM
Powerbooks hold their value well. Especially the PPC ones. And a lot of people still love the ibooks. It doesnt suprise me they have high re sale value.

Sdashiki
Jan 3, 2007, 10:04 AM
In all honesty, its because people are pretty stupid all around.

LoL.

Ok maybe thats harsh, but if you troll here long enough, you can become quite learned in the pricing of macs, old and new.

People dont realize that for $200 more they can have something BRAND NEW, or they truly think what they are buying IS current and as fast or amazing as a brand new one.

iBooks and Powerbooks, the day the MB and MBPs became available, SHOULD have dropped dramatically, but they havent.

In terms of what you get for your money, people are basically being "ripped-off" by purchasing G4 laptops. Though, its not a rip off if people are WILLING to pay that much.

The whole thing makes NO sense to me.

Bob Jovi
Jan 3, 2007, 11:33 AM
Why are old chairs and tables worth the same/more than new ones? It's exactly the same.
ibooks and powerbooks have a certain amount of kudos attached to them. The price of a G3 laptop didn't plummet when G4's came out, and especially with the swich from PPC to Intel there are still many people using programmes that run better on their old powerbook.
Although I do still find it baffling! ibook or macbook, mm tough choice!

Warbrain
Jan 3, 2007, 11:42 AM
In all honesty, its because people are pretty stupid all around.

LoL.

Ok maybe thats harsh, but if you troll here long enough, you can become quite learned in the pricing of macs, old and new.

People dont realize that for $200 more they can have something BRAND NEW, or they truly think what they are buying IS current and as fast or amazing as a brand new one.

iBooks and Powerbooks, the day the MB and MBPs became available, SHOULD have dropped dramatically, but they havent.

In terms of what you get for your money, people are basically being "ripped-off" by purchasing G4 laptops. Though, its not a rip off if people are WILLING to pay that much.

The whole thing makes NO sense to me.

Your thinking is a bit warped on the drop in price. Just because a new model comes out doesn't meant that prices should've dropped drastically. Some computers can hold their value extremely well and all Apple computers are that way. You also need to consider that there are still people who will buy a PPC computer over an Intel computer at the moment because the programs they need aren't compiled as Intel-native or UB yet.

Bob Jovi
Jan 3, 2007, 11:45 AM
You're thinking is a bit warped on the drop in price. Just because a new model comes out doesn't meant that prices should've dropped drastically. Some computers can hold their value extremely well and all Apple computers are that way. You also need to consider that there are still people who will buy a PPC computer over an Intel computer at the moment because the programs they need aren't compiled as Intel-native or UB yet.

touche!

Sdashiki
Jan 3, 2007, 12:32 PM
You also need to consider that there are still people who will buy a PPC computer over an Intel computer at the moment because the programs they need aren't compiled as Intel-native or UB yet.

very very true.

but i was only looking at it from a "component" perspective.

such as, a G4 cpu and the "oldtype" RAM, GPU, smaller stock HDs, slower burners etc etc.

vs

coreduo, "better" gpu, larger stock hds, newer burners blah blah


that the costs of the new vs the costs of the used should not be as close as they are.

g4 is two generations behind the current apple laptop lineup's cpu. and it being a dual core, technically speaking, is like having two old Powerbook CPUs in one.

so, my argument is not that apple lappys shouldnt hold value, but that the current values are extremely high given the current trend of dual cores (and beyond) lower power consumption and that laptops and desktops have become equally powerful, only a desktop can be expanded upon internally. whereas before the apple laptops were always behind in performance to their desktop counterparts....

CaptainCaveMann
Jan 3, 2007, 12:36 PM
very very true.

but i was only looking at it from a "component" perspective.

such as, a G4 cpu and the "oldtype" RAM, GPU, smaller stock HDs, slower burners etc etc.

vs

coreduo, "better" gpu, larger stock hds, newer burners blah blah


that the costs of the new vs the costs of the used should not be as close as they are.

g4 is two generations behind the current apple laptop lineup's cpu. and it being a dual core, technically speaking, is like having two old Powerbook CPUs in one.

so, my argument is not that apple lappys shouldnt hold value, but that the current values are extremely high given the current trend of dual cores (and beyond) lower power consumption and that laptops and desktops have become equally powerful, only a desktop can be expanded upon internally. whereas before the apple laptops were always behind in performance to their desktop counterparts....

You sound bitter. :rolleyes:

Warbrain
Jan 3, 2007, 12:53 PM
You sound bitter. :rolleyes:

Just a little bit.

The G4 is still a strong processor and can sell for a good amount of money.

kalisphoenix
Jan 3, 2007, 01:04 PM
Some people can't or won't use laptops with built-in cameras.

Some people want to avoid Revision A hardware, especially since the MB/MBP have had widely reported hardware problems.

And for those people... *points at his signature* I've got what ya need, baby. All 14" of it.

PlaceofDis
Jan 3, 2007, 01:11 PM
i believe that the reason the PowerBooks and iBooks haven't dropped in price in Apple's Refurb store is for one simple reason, cost.

i would imagine the Intel chips and subsequent other components are readily available to Apple and i'm sure they get a nice bulk discount too. And since Apple aren't the only ones buying the chips, they aren't all the expensive. the G4 though... well Apple was the only real buyer of those chips and subsequent componets, and i would imagine they required a bit more R&D for the motherboard and all that goes along with it... so in turn Apple aren't slashing the prices to just get rid of them but rather are trying to milk them for as much as possible to maintain a balance of cost/profit.

does that make any sense at all?

kalisphoenix
Jan 3, 2007, 01:12 PM
i believe that the reason the PowerBooks and iBooks haven't dropped in price in Apple's Refurb store is for one simple reason, cost.

i would imagine the Intel chips and subsequent other components are readily available to Apple and i'm sure they get a nice bulk discount too. And since Apple aren't the only ones buying the chips, they aren't all the expensive. the G4 though... well Apple was the only real buyer of those chips and subsequent componets, and i would imagine they required a bit more R&D for the motherboard and all that goes along with it... so in turn Apple aren't slashing the prices to just get rid of them but rather are trying to milk them for as much as possible to maintain a balance of cost/profit.

does that make any sense at all?

It was my understanding that, counterintuitively, the G4 processors were cheaper than the Intel Core processors.

Sdashiki
Jan 3, 2007, 08:56 PM
You sound bitter. :rolleyes:

actually I got a good deal only last month...

$150 for an 867 G4 12" ibook.

only needed a new backlight.

plus the battery was on recall, so I got a new battery. guess the guy didnt even try apple.com?

im sure I can get alot more than $175 for it.

so, nah, im not bitter, im simply amazed, s'all.

California
Jan 4, 2007, 02:12 AM
I am not looking forward to having to upgrade all my software for the intel macs, therefore am holding on to top of the line g5s and g4s.

As to up to the minute superdrives, I dropped a uj 846 in a 1.33ghz 12" iBook when I upgraded the hard drive to 100gbs. With max 1.5 ram, that thing is a very fast machine for my purposes.

I have a 1.5ghz PB 12" with 1.25 ram and 100gb/7200rm hd and the silent upgrade mini 1.5ghz PPC with 1gb of ram.

I am very content with my G4s. However, i DO notice that sometimes the dashboard freezes on the mini. Makes me not want to upgrade the OS but rather backwards downgrade on Tiger to less ram intense OS.