Live Macworld Keynote Coverage

[MacNut]

Why do they pick the worst provider, I don't get it.

[xfiftyfour]

WTF? Asia in 2008?!? I stayed up for this??? :mad:

:p :p

Thank goodness for being in the US!

But still.. June before it ships? They announced it 6 months ahead of time??

Oh well. Here's hoping there are contract discounts.. in which case I may get one in August, since that's when I get the discount again to update my phone (new every 2!).

[Max Payne]

4GB Model = $499 8GB Model = $599
:eek: :eek: :eek:

That's cheap. I am getting one, if they don't increase the price dramatically in the UK as the usually do. :mad:

[benthewraith]

Fewest dropped calls?!?!?! Bull%^&*! :mad:

[Sky Blue]

same here, looking at the time left, I'm pretty disappointed!:(

Yup, the phone looks great...but no iLife/Leopard??

[shunpike]

It Is 499 with A Contract?

[cecildk9999]

price seems about right, but you won't be using it for too many videos with only 4-8GB of storage. If it has a good 'standby' power life, 5 hours ain't too bad for talk time. I hope they put these in stores soon to play with! :D

[slicecom]

Well.. i guess its a good thing its crapular exclusive. Saves me $600. Looks like I wont be throwing out the POS RAZR afterall.

[RichP]

Prices are WITH new 2 year contract.

[OllyW]

gotta wait until end of year here in UK... NOT FAIR

At least my present contract will be almost up for renewal then. :)

[diametric]

Steve, there's only a few minutes left. Where is iLife and iWork and Leopard?

[Compile 'em all]

This sucks. Does this mean that it will be available in Europe in September? :confused:

[Diatribe]

Prices are WITH new 2 year contract.

Link?

[DarkNetworks]

Yup, the phone looks great...but no iLife/Leopard??

The phone, is this why Job's family is here today? ;) It's all about the phone! :mad:

[clevin]

cingular is the biggest network now, no wonder, but i don't like it, altho i have it now. :p

[benthewraith]

Not going to be available to other companies for years...multiyear exclusive contract. :mad:

[shunpike]

price seems about right, but you won't be using it for too many videos with only 4-8GB of storage. If it has a good 'standby' power life, 5 hours ain't too bad for talk time. I hope they put these in stores soon to play with! :D
YOU GOT IT IN JUNE :)

[kellen]

ouch, multiyear exclusive with cingular, good thing my contract is up right when this comes out

[x86isslow]

its 599 WITH contract. Damn. I was hoping for a discount. I've been with CellularOne/Cingular/ATnT for 10 years now, I should at least get some discount.

[nioh]

Prices are WITH new 2 year contract.

which makes it less of a good deal. it will be released just as my current contract runs out so there will be plenty of time for me to deciding tho :p

[xfiftyfour]

price seems about right, but you won't be using it for too many videos with only 4-8GB of storage. If it has a good 'standby' power life, 5 hours ain't too bad for talk time. I hope they put these in stores soon to play with! :D

Probably won't be seen in stores until it's actually available for purchase.

[clevin]

i hope the internet on this phone is working like wireless card in b or MBP, internet service through cingular would be super expensive.

[PharmD]

Didn't he say today was all about the Mac? They haven't mentioned anything about computers at all.

EDIT: seems like this is going to be one hefty keynote.

[RichP]

It was on one of the keynote slides under the price.

[autrefois]

Macrumors feed just posted this:

"iPhone prices include a 2 year contract - FYI"

This means that it's $499 or $599 even WITH a contract from cingular???

[~Shard~]

Didn't he say today was all about the Mac? They haven't mentioned anything about computers at all.

No, he said there would be nothing about the Mac today. :p :cool:

[jlewis2k1]

something tells me its going to run 3 hours...

[benthewraith]

i hope the internet on this phone is working like wireless card in b or MBP, internet service through cingular would be super expensive.

Yeah, about seventy or eighty bucks. :rolleyes: It's ****ing absurd. :rolleyes:

[shunpike]

Link?

http://www.macrumorslive.com/

CHECK THE PICS

[daneoni]

They better not make it exclusive to Vodafone in the UK, that would be very dire. Hope its unlocked.

[DarkNetworks]

Didn't he say today was all about the Mac? They haven't mentioned anything about computers at all.

Today is all about phone. that whatsoever phone! :mad:

[cecildk9999]

I like T-Mobile, so I guess I'm not going to be getting one anytime soon anyway :( (I think I still have another year on my contract anyway...). But what about the name 'Apple TV?' Lame. I liked the name 'TelePort' that someone here had suggested at one point.

[xfiftyfour]

which makes it less of a good deal. it will be released just as my current contract runs out so there will be plenty of time for me to deciding tho :p

MUCH less of a good deal - it'll be interesting to see how these sell. To the none-mac lover, Blackberry works just great.. and those can be had for $199 with contract.. they're going to see the $599 price tag and skip right over, I imagine.

[Archmagination]

I am hoping they will announce a Full-Screen Video Ipod that is 80gb Hard Drive based.. no gps/phone or internet, but has BlueTooth.

[DonRivella]

I think the price is very competitive for this type of hardware (unless the contract is very unattractive, I can't judge this). Keep in mind that this is also a lifestyle device.

[Diatribe]

It was on one of the keynote slides under the price.

Yeah, saw it. That sucks. :(

[DarkNetworks]

I am hoping they will announce a Full-Screen Video Ipod that is 80gb Hard Drive based.. no gps/phone or internet, but has BlueTooth.

The iPod era is over or almost over, it's all about "phones" now...

[big_malk]

Their presentation screwed up?... I hope they keep that in the video stream!!

[shunpike]

apple stock is up 7% ! http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=AAPL

[benthewraith]

Apple computer is now known as Apple, Inc.

[HelixOmnimedia]

I am hoping they will announce a Full-Screen Video Ipod that is 80gb Hard Drive based.. no gps/phone or internet, but has BlueTooth.

NOW SEE THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE WANTED
Not the phone and ipod together!

I hate Apple so much right now! I'm considering going back to Windows.

[TYC]

Apple, Inc.

no more Apple Computer

[MacNut]

Apple Computer is no more.

[numediaman]

All that and Apple ends up locking its customers into a two year contract. Seems like the only winner here is Cingular.

Sorry, but why spend millions of dollars in R&D to come up with a locked phone? I don't get it?

What a waste.

In the end, the other phone manufacturers will upgrade their phones and make them available to Sprint and the other carriers.

The iPod's beauty is that you can use it no matter what computer you use. The iPhone locks you into one carrier and a contract, to boot.

Big mistake.

[baby duck monge]

Name change?! De-emphasizing computers. They're sure branching out a lot, aren't they?

[kristiano]

Ugh Asia 2008. Will probably get this in England.

NAME CHANGE!

[benthewraith]

NOW SEE THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE WANTED
Not the phone and ipod together!

I hate Apple so much right now! I'm considering going back to Windows.

Because of a phone?

[shunpike]

apple changed their name!

10:58 am from this day forward known as Apple, inc.

[autrefois]

They're no longer Apple Computer but just Apple? Wait til Apple, Corps hears about that! :)

[Diatribe]

I guess they settled with Beatles' label?

[baby duck monge]

Done and done? Was the name change the "one more thing?"

[Chef Medeski]

10:58 am no more Apple Computer, inc.
10:58 am from this day forward known as Apple, inc.
10:58 am name change!
10:58 am today we have added to the mac and the ipod not appletv and iphone
10:58 am The Mac Observer: "it appears that apple will support the phone, not cingular"
10:57 am try to grab 1%


OH NO! Looks like Mac goin get a lot less work on them. Damn.

[relimw]

CNBC is doing another spot on Apple now

[typerlover]

Locked phone? And that was it? Disappointment. Great device, but it is something that has to be available to EVERYONE, not just a range of customers, even if it is the largest network.

[DarkNetworks]

NOW SEE THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE WANTED
Not the phone and ipod together!

I hate Apple so much right now! I'm considering going back to Windows.

Is this phone a new beginning they're talking about? :(

[HelixOmnimedia]

Because of a phone?

Because... i just want an "true video "iPod.

[benthewraith]

They're no longer Apple Computer but just Apple? Wait til Apple, Corps hears about that! :)

I think there was a lawsuit already about this...

[cecildk9999]

I agree that the whole contract lock with Cingular sucks, but if they sold it solo, probably would be tacking another $200 (at least) on to the price.

[Sky Blue]

If this is it....i'm gonna be pissed.

[relimw]

CNBC is doing another spot on Apple now.

AAPL up over $5 now

[xfiftyfour]

NOW SEE THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE WANTED
Not the phone and ipod together!

I hate Apple so much right now! I'm considering going back to Windows.

That's extreme.

Though I agree it's dumb if this is your only option for iPods now (or when it comes out, rather)? Jumps from 80gb space to 8gb? Yeah, feature packed and all, but what about those that don't want all the network features.. what about those that just like carrying around all their music? Are they left behind..?

[MacNut]

All that and Apple ends up locking its customers into a two year contract. Seems like the only winner here is Cingular.

Sorry, but why spend millions of dollars in R&D to come up with a locked phone? I don't get it?

What a waste.

In the end, the other phone manufacturers will upgrade their phones and make them available to Sprint and the other carriers.

The iPod's beauty is that you can use it no matter what computer you use. The iPhone locks you into one carrier and a contract, to boot.

Big mistake.I agree, Apple is going to lose market share by not branching out.

[Doctor Q]

All those people who said, for years and years, that "Apple Computer would not survive" were right. I was prepared for surprises today, but not for a renamed company!

However, selling music players, phones, Internet devices, and, oh yes, computers, means that it make sense.

[TYC]

John Mayer performance

[Archmagination]

I don't think that is true.. until Apple can come out with a iPhone that can has an 80gb drive and costs only $300-$400 WITHOUT a contract than there will still be a place for the Ipod.

[NotFound]

I thought this was MAC WORLD NOT iPHONE WORLD!!!


Where are the Mac Updates!!??

[clevin]

Is this phone a new beginning they're talking about? :(

yes, its a new market, and im sure apple will NOT upgrade iPod to similar feature to keep the attraction of this phone, sorry, iPoders.:cool:

[PharmD]

Today is all about phone. that whatsoever phone! :mad:

Oops, my mistake.

[RichP]

Special Treat! I cant handle much more...

[benthewraith]

Because... i just want an "true video "iPod.

And there's something wrong with the iPod video? It plays tv shows, music videos, etc, yeah, I kind of want it to be widescreen too, but hey, it's life.

[DarkNetworks]

OMGhi2u, looks like this it it. :mad: :mad: :mad:

[benthewraith]

Special Treat! I cant handle much more...

John Mayer singing, apparently.

[projectle]

What the hell, man... never before has there been a Macworld where there wasn't new stuff to blow money on.

Wait a month for AppleTV, wait 6 months for iPhone.

[Sky Blue]

I wouldn't call John Mayer a treat.

[relimw]

They're no longer Apple Computer but just Apple? Wait til Apple, Corps hears about that! :)

That's what I was wondering..... Maybe they resolved that during their last squabble?

[RichP]

John Mayer singing, apparently.

Yeah, that isnt much of a "treat" for us.:rolleyes:

[benthewraith]

OMGhi2u, looks like this it it. :mad: :mad: :mad:

I feel really teased right now. :(

[bousozoku]

All that and Apple ends up locking its customers into a two year contract. Seems like the only winner here is Cingular.

Sorry, but why spend millions of dollars in R&D to come up with a locked phone? I don't get it?

What a waste.

In the end, the other phone manufacturers will upgrade their phones and make them available to Sprint and the other carriers.

The iPod's beauty is that you can use it no matter what computer you use. The iPhone locks you into one carrier and a contract, to boot.

Big mistake.

The iPod is locked into iTunes. You can't just use it with any computer. You have to play things Apple's way. It's almost always been a dictatorship. What's the difference with the phone?

They're trying to make sure there is a high quality experience available, just like with iPod. Unfortunately, Cingular has to be it for now.

[daneoni]

I guess thats all folks. Meyer is performing. Wow, an entire keynote dedicated to a phone. Certainly a first.

[Chef Medeski]

:mad:

SUCKS.

I think the Modbook announcement is going to be more interesting for me. I like computers not all in one super expensive phones. Ridiculous. Just sell of OS X pls so I can get some great hardware with this amazing software instead of old crappy expensive ****.

[DarkNetworks]

I thought this was MAC WORLD NOT iPHONE WORLD!!!


Where are the Mac Updates!!??

ROFLMAO! Same here, I'm pissed... :mad:
Where's my Leopard Secret Features of iLife'07 at the very least! :mad:

[Compile 'em all]

If this is it....i'm gonna be pissed.

Me too :mad:. It means NOTHING new is available today :(

[benthewraith]

I guess thats all folks. Meyer is performing. Wow, an entire keynote dedicated to a phone. Certainly a first.

Well, a phone and a tv box. As I said just a few seconds ago, I feel teased.

[RichP]

I guess thats all folks. Meyer is performing. Wow, an entire keynote dedicated to a phone. Certainly a first.

Well, it is quite a phone...

[Sky Blue]

Very very dissapointed.

[relimw]

I still want one for $150 cheaper without the phone service....bah

[NotFound]

:confused: :confused: :confused: No 10.4.9????

:confused: :confused: :confused: No iLife '07???

:confused: :confused: :confused: No 12" MBP!?!?!?

[baby duck monge]

Amazing how quickly we all went from crazy excitement to disappointment and anger. :rolleyes:

[giganten]

No leopard or iwork??
The iPhone is cool, but he did talk way to much about the phone.

[benthewraith]

Well, it is quite a phone...

That is pricey and unavailable to quite a few people here?

[Chef Medeski]

Well, it is quite a phone...

YEAH but APPLES JOB is making computer not phones..... oh wait they backtracked on that one. :mad:

[ZaIsBestPronto]

I'm not disappointed at all.

[DarkNetworks]

I feel really teased right now. :(

Sorry, I didn't mean to tease u really.

[ogun7]

I sense a disturbance in the Force.

[clevin]

final prediction
1. no new iPod with similar feature as this phone in 6 months
2. this fabulous phone will have problem selling, too expensive

[MacSA]

Why would the Apple store be offline if there wasn't anything to add to it?

[cecildk9999]

Maybe Apple will branch out to other carriers in time...
Kinda was hoping for some other info on Leopard and iLife/work stuff :(

[smacman]

I am very disappointed. Without a contract, this phone would cost the same as a Macbook. Furthermore, I really expected more to be announced than the iTV and an overpriced Appleberry.

[TYC]

I'm most disappointed about no Leopard showing... :(

[Diatribe]

That is pricey and unavailable to quite a few people here?

Well not only in the States, this will be unavailable for A LOT of people around the world, if every phone comes with a locked exclusive deal.

[mistafreeze]

I thought this event was supposed to be 3 hours? wheres my new iSight

what about leopard and ilife

=X

i was excited about the phone, till i found out it was cingular only, and will be so for multiple years. why cant they support all carriers, such as verizon too

[benthewraith]

Sorry, I didn't mean to tease u really.

I wasn't referring to you, DarkNetworks, I'm referring to Apple in general and Steve in particular. ;)

[baby duck monge]

Why would the Apple store be offline if there wasn't anything to add to it?

Just to screw with you?

[DarkNetworks]

Very very dissapointed.

Extremely Dissapointed! :mad:

[clevin]

Why would the Apple store be offline if there wasn't anything to add to it?

they take pre-order now

[PharmD]

What the hell, man... never before has there been a Macworld where there wasn't new stuff to blow money on.

Wait a month for AppleTV, wait 6 months for iPhone.

Exactly! I was so ready to buy iLife '07. Not even a "one more thing". Guess I'm buying a 360 with my leftover $$.

On the other hand, you have to hand it to apple for changing the focus a bit and not staying with the expected. I guess I can respect that.

[jasper77]

no one more thing?

[shunpike]

common people you are getting a computer + phone + ipod here!

[ZaIsBestPronto]

Seriously, information about Leopard will have to come out soon anyway. A few days won't kill us.

This is a revolutionary product. This is only the first step, remember. Eventually, there will be ones with bigger storage and the ones with less storage will be cheap.

[brepublican]

Been blown away so far, but 'One More Thing'???

[ogun7]

Come on, guys and girls. You have to have a long range vision. Computers will soon be iPhones, mainly because of Apple.

[HelixOmnimedia]

Maybe the guy on stage is playing a few songs so Steve can take a break before coming back?

Then he can introduce all the products that everyone is wanting.

[benthewraith]

Exactly! I was so ready to buy iLife '07. Not even a "one more thing". Guess I'm buying a 360 with my leftover $$.

On the other hand, you have to hand it to apple for changing the focus a bit and not staying with the expected. I guess I can respect that.

I wanted to see iWork '07, and some screenshots of Leopard. :(

[mistafreeze]

this wasnt reported on, but does anyone know if the apple tv will upconvert to 1080i, surely it wont do a sony and downconvert to 480 for those of us with older hdtv's =X

[shunpike]

one more thing????

[whawhat]

:confused: :confused: :confused: No 10.4.9????

:confused: :confused: :confused: No iLife '07???

:confused: :confused: :confused: No 12" MBP!?!?!?

my initial excitement has worn off. 600 for a phone w/ so so battery life.....eh.

more interested in iLife, new displays, Leopard, etc. pretty bad keynote.

[ZaIsBestPronto]

common people you are getting a computer + phone + ipod here!

No kidding. It's an amazing piece of tech.

[vendettabass]

guess my cards goin' back in my wallet :(

[DarkNetworks]

Is Apple making yet another switch from Computers to Phones now? God! :(

[conradzoo]

More products must come, cause why are the european stores down when we even cant get a iPhone, so.......

relax

[Compile 'em all]

Why would the Apple store be offline if there wasn't anything to add to it?

The iTV will be available for order today.

[TYC]

Steve's back on stage!

Edit - just to say it's over :(

[benthewraith]

Come on, guys and girls. You have to have a long range vision. Computers will soon be iPhones, mainly because of Apple.

Do you know how much of a headache you'd have using a computer that had a screen as big as your hand? :rolleyes:

[steve jr.]

Goodbye Apple Computer, Inc. HELLo Apple Inc. :)

[numediaman]

Seriously, information about Leopard will have to come out soon anyway. A few days won't kill us.

This is a revolutionary product. This is only the first step, remember. Eventually, there will be ones with bigger storage and the ones with less storage will be cheap.

It would have been revolutionary if everyone could use it. But only Cingular customers will be able to use the phone. The truly revolutionary product will be the one that everyone can use. Until then, this is a competitor to the Blackberry -- a very small market indeed.

[daneoni]

Maybe just me but i'd rather they didn't announce the phone today but rather make a special event for it and release it on the day. They should have have done the tradition iLife/iWork/Leopard pitches today and maybe release the 12" MBP and updated Mac Pros. That'll would have been very ideal. Oh well.......

[shunpike]

steve is back

[benthewraith]

And it's over. :(

[Chef Medeski]

Amazing how quickly we all went from crazy excitement to disappointment and anger. :rolleyes:

When Jobs renamed the company I think everyone realized that .... its obvious who Jobs is in bed with... little gadgets, not computer. And it really is dissapointing for all of us who love OS X but cant stand how this "FUTURISTIC" product is going nowhere. Mac computer have nothing innovative in them. 10.4 has been around for years and it looks like Leopard is more than a couple months off. It looks like all their innovation over the past 5 yrs has been in iPods and Phones. Right when innovation tapered off around the intro of the nano for the iPods, the Phone took precedence. They probably just switched to Intel so they wouldn't have to do as much development. Intel does all the heat testing and ****... they just takes the chips that fit.

I'm sorry but I am PISSED. I like Apple software, which means I have to use Apple computer. But instead of making them the best produts they can be, which would be easy considering all the features WIndows players have been pulling out (easily copied) they are sitting on their hands and playing with phones.

Someone needs to figure out a way to port Leopard as soon as it comes out. Cause this is just getting ridiculous.

[DarkNetworks]

Come on, guys and girls. You have to have a long range vision. Computers will soon be iPhones, mainly because of Apple.

Yeah rite, 5 Hours of Battery life.

[eb6]

I sense a disturbance in the Force.

movie quote usage of the year! Hilarious.

[baby duck monge]

By "over" does Steve mean "one more thing?"

[steve jr.]

one more thing, one more thing!

[relimw]

Why would the Apple store be offline if there wasn't anything to add to it?

For taking the Apple TV preorders maybe?

[cecildk9999]

that's all folks!

[mrgreen4242]

This is a revolutionary product. This is only the first step, remember. Eventually, there will be ones with bigger storage and the ones with less storage will be cheap.

No, it's an evolutionary product, nothing really revolutionary about it. They only thing it can do that some other device can't already is the multi-touch screen. That's pretty slick, but it's something that's bee coming for years, we've all seen the demos of it, this is just the first consumer use of it. Other than that, they've taken a lot of tech and rolled into one, nice easy to use product. It's the evolution of the phone, not a revolution in communications.

[autrefois]

That simply can't be the end. Certainly Leopard has to be mentioned at some point, no?! If not, that's a very bad sign with Vista coming out for consumers at the end of the month, the fact that we weren't even given an update on Leopard or about when it will be out...

Does this mean they put all their eggs in one basket and threw most of their R&D budget just into the phone and away from other things, like Leopard?? The phone is very cool and I think it will eventually do great, especially as technology improves (battery life, capacity, any kinks) but with or without the word "computer" in their name, people are expecting Leopard to compete with Vista, and we still don't have any more specifics than last time Steve talked.

[Zadillo]

YEAH but APPLES JOB is making computer not phones..... oh wait they backtracked on that one. :mad:

Yeah, how dare Apple make stuff besides computers. They shouldn't have ever gotten into making mp3 players either, that turned out to be terrible for the company.

[PharmD]

Come on, guys and girls. You have to have a long range vision. Computers will soon be iPhones, mainly because of Apple.

You have a point there. No more of these big ugly laptops :p. The bright side of having Cingular exclusivity is that I won't get one for a few years and it will be cheaper by then, or even better at the same price.

I am extremely pumped at the potential of this phone, it is just not something that will be mine for a long time though, so it is hard to be drooling over it right now.

[DarkNetworks]

And it's over. :(

It really is OVER. It was all about the PHONE!

[RichP]

Thats a long wait for the phone...Im very excited about it, and if it is as good as it seems, is going to be the true convergence device.

That being said..June is a LONG way off.

[giganten]

11:10 am thanks for joining us - the keynote is now over

Okay. iTV is cool and the iPhone too.
But no leopard or iWork?

[livingfortoday]

Yeah rite, 5 Hours of Battery life.

My phone doesn't get much more than 5 hours of talk time now, so I ain't complaining. I wonder how this does on standby?

[Clive At Five]

Why would the Apple store be offline if there wasn't anything to add to it?

Pre-Orders for TelePort-er... "Apple TV"

-Clive

[Zadillo]

That simply can't be the end. Certainly Leopard has to be mentioned at some point, no?! If not, that's a very bad sign with Vista coming out for consumers at the end of the month, the fact that we weren't even given an update on Leopard or about when it will be out...

Does this mean they put all their eggs in one basket and threw most of their R&D budget just into the phone and away from other things, like Leopard?? The phone is very cool and I think it will eventually do great, especially as technology improves (battery life, capacity, any kinks) but with or without the word "computer" in their name, people are expecting Leopard to compete with Vista, and we still don't have any more specifics than last time Steve talked.

Of course not, it just means that Apple is going to wait til later to talk more about the stuff in Leopard.

If Leopard is as revolutionary as Apple has hinted at, it would have been too distracting to have the iPhone unveiled as WELL as the super secret Leopard stuff.

-Zadillo

[TheAnswer]

Come on, guys and girls. You have to have a long range vision. Computers will soon be iPhones, mainly because of Apple.

This is probably close to the truth. For the home user, the computer will soon exist mainly as a server for getting media to our TVs and for syncing our iPhones. The iPhone will be where we do most of our chatting, listening to music, emailing and surfing.

[marco114]

http://www.apple.com/iphone/

[shunpike]

FCC approval still needed? - does this mean that it might never happen if they reject it?

[Maxiseller]

People are never happy!

All anybody has been moaning about is "When is the iPhone coming out" - and now Steve has spent some time really getting together a REVOLUTIONARY (not of this evolutionary *************) you're all complaining.

I've never heard anything like it. Maybe there IS an iLife update on the apple store - just wait.

[RichP]

I wanted to see some Leopard, but honestly, the iPhone will sell more Apple Computers than Leopard ever will in the long term.

This is a typical business tactic..DONT GO HEAD-TO-HEAD with a market leader. Gates just did a huge Keynote about how great Vista was, and it looked pretty damn good in there too. Apple would be "me too" if they talked about Leopard today.

[imacdaddy]

common people you are getting a computer + phone + ipod here!

I'm pissed cos it's not available till 2008 for me. Even if I get one imported, it's going to be locked on Cingular. SJ did mention tight network integration. Time will tell if that is true. What possessed them into thinking carrier partnerships? :confused:

[livingfortoday]

Store is back!

[Chef Medeski]

Yeah, how dare Apple make stuff besides computers. They shouldn't have ever gotten into making mp3 players either, that turned out to be terrible for the company.

Look its terrible for the consumer who doesn't want a phone. They are over there wasting their energy on phones when I want to features in a tablet. THAT would be something. I looked and this thing and said brilliant, multi touch, accelerametors, proximity sensors. There is innovation. New ways to use stuff in applications. ITS ALL WONDERFUL. Yet I want it in a tablet not a 3" screen. What good is this sweet trick of pinching to zoom in or out when its on a 3" screen. I'm sorry but that technology better come out in a Apple Tablet soon, it would be so easy to implement after all the research they did for the phone, it would just prove how mcuh they have given up on the computer buisness.

[TYC]

Apple Special Event next tuesday?http://www.warp9.it/online/images/smiles/ssst.gif

Seeing as Leopard was looked-over...
I see them doing a special event in the next couple weeks - before vista arrives...

[Jasonbot]

How will iPhone work in Other countries? AKA: SOuth AFrica...

[Diatribe]

New Aiport Extreme is out: Link (http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/)

[xfiftyfour]

http://www.apple.com/iphone/

sooo sexy.. and yet, such a disappointment.. lol

[mrgreen4242]

People are never happy!

All anybody has been moaning about is "When is the iPhone coming out" - and now Steve has spent some time really getting together a REVOLUTIONARY (not of this evolutionary *************) you're all complaining.

I've never heard anything like it. Maybe there IS an iLife update on the apple store - just wait.

Name one feature the iPhone has that some other product isn't already doing, other than multi-point touchscreen.

[Maxiseller]

Look its terrible for the consumer who doesn't want a phone. They are over there wasting their energy on phones when I want to features in a tablet. THAT would be something. I looked and this thing and said brilliant, multi touch, accelerametors, proximity sensors. There is innovation. New ways to use stuff in applications. ITS ALL WONDERFUL. Yet I want it in a tablet not a 3" screen. What good is this sweet trick of pinching to zoom in or out when its on a 3" screen. I'm sorry but that technology better come out in a Apple Tablet soon, it would be so easy to implement after all the research they did for the phone, it would just prove how mcuh they have given up on the computer buisness.

You think they are making devices specifically for you?

[benthewraith]

This is probably close to the truth. For the home user, the computer will soon exist mainly as a server for getting media to our TVs and for syncing our iPhones. The iPhone will be where we do most of our chatting, listening to music, emailing and surfing.

Not so much, the major motivation right now is gaming. Unless gaming gets old, they won't abandon 15.4" laptops.

[relimw]

[url]http://www.apple.com/iphone/

http://www.apple.com/appletv/ works as well.
Now all I need is a wireless TV to plug it into :D

[ogun7]

new AirPort Base Station!!!

[vendettabass]

new airport extreme base station!!!

[superduperjacob]

http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/

[retrospek]

Look:

http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/

[ogun7]

new AirPort Base Station!!!

here (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=E9239ACC&nplm=MA073LL%2FA)

[DarkNetworks]

New Aiport Extreme is out: Link (http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/)

Woohoo at least something other than the damn PHONE AND TV thingy :o

[bearbo]

apple's website still says

[brepublican]

movie quote usage of the year! Hilarious.

"It's over... a lot of people in the audience look pissed"
Edit: its Brian Griffin narrating a movie to a blind guy

[whawhat]

New Aiport Extreme is out: Link (http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/)

just noticed that too while checkin out apple tv. looks nice.

[bearbo]

Woohoo at least something other than the damn PHONE AND TV thingy :o

oh hey!

isn't it even cheaper than before?

does it have gigabit ethernet?

edit: i guess no gigabit ethernet... eh.. whatever

[pjarvi]

First thought: hope a 3rd party releases a stylus.

The price is fine, it's just too bad I have no need for a phone, and already have an iPod with far more storage capacity for music, photos, and movies.

I expect the 2nd gen version to get a bump in storage capacity.

It's a shame there was no bump for the Mini, no new displays, no TV, and no software announcements. At least the iTV is coming. Too bad I don't have a TV. :p

[mrmma]

Really? No software updates/previews/etc? Will iLife/iWork updates be on display at the expo, just not talked about? I understand this phone is neat, has some neat technology and software, and I suppose that a portable do everything computer is a good vision of the future, but we're living in the today too.

[cjc343]

http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore.woa/6754042/wa/PSLID?mco=CC1FA85A&nplm=MA073&wosid=r91tmKPZ2Zlg21pVFO12v14x0LL

New Airport Extreme Base Station

Edit: Supports 802.11n, 3 LAN ports. I don't notice anything else off the bat.

[Zadillo]

Look its terrible for the consumer who doesn't want a phone. They are over there wasting their energy on phones when I want to features in a tablet. THAT would be something. I looked and this thing and said brilliant, multi touch, accelerametors, proximity sensors. There is innovation. New ways to use stuff in applications. ITS ALL WONDERFUL. Yet I want it in a tablet not a 3" screen. What good is this sweet trick of pinching to zoom in or out when its on a 3" screen. I'm sorry but that technology better come out in a Apple Tablet soon, it would be so easy to implement after all the research they did for the phone, it would just prove how mcuh they have given up on the computer buisness.

Oh come on. Just because they don't throw this completely brand new technology into every possible product doesn't mean they won't ever use it. it seems like a safe bet that now that Apple has it, they will start putting it in other products as well.

You say it is "terrible" that Apple is making a phone, but the reality is that this phone probably has a wider market, and aside from that, the technology behind the tablet you described probably wouldn't be there without Apple developing it for this phone first.

-Zadillo

[clevin]

FCC approval still needed? - does this mean that it might never happen if they reject it?

lol, i don't see why FCC would reject it,

[DavidLeblond]

Uh Base station now supports hard drives?

Can we say "Vista Home Server just got whupped?"

[SiliconAddict]

No Leopard. Not good IMHO. Yes the iPhone is sweet. However Leopard is what will be going up against Vista over the next year and beyond. How about those "top secret" features Steve?

[Chef Medeski]

You think they are making devices specifically for you?

YES! Thats the idea of capitalism. Companies are supposed to make products that consumers want. A lot of people want innovation in computers but they arent giving it. You know why, cause Apple knows that the OS X is so good no one can switch back to XP, so they rather let their computers lag, since no one is going to leave, a few just might not switch. No big deal when you can reel in a cash cow like a phone.

Great. Its better for Apple. But not for me, they are just going to put that money into accesories not computers, its no longer Apple Computers. Unfortuantely there are still alot of people who love OS X but think the hardware is way too limited, innovative, and expensive. Its like Gates said, which I think was actually a very wise statement, he couldnt concede that Vista was better than OS X but he said we've got flexibility that Apple doesn't. They have 19" touch screen. Laptops with wi-fi finders. Laptop that are less than 3 pounds. Ones with spill-proof keyboards. Tablets. UMPCs. The hardware on the Windows side kills Apple's Hardware. The only problem is the software. Its obvious this shift in strategy is going to be long term just look at their website.

The tabs are:
Apple
Store
iPhone
iPod
.Mac
Quicktime
Support
Mac OS X

They are focusing on the iPhone and iPod, the hardware doesnt even have its own TAB for christ's sake. Yet of course there is one for the OS X to nicely show off.

Abosultely ridiculsous.

[Zadillo]

No Leopard. Not good IMHO. Yes the iPhone is sweet. However Leopard is what will be going up against Vista over the next year and beyond. How about those "top secret" features Steve?

What's the point of Apple tipping their hand on Leopard's secret features so soon, rather than waiting til after Vista has launched to consumers, etc.?

[brepublican]

Woohoo at least something other than the damn PHONE AND TV thingy :o

But doesnt stream iTunes... kinda sucks man :mad:

[Chef Medeski]

Oh come on. Just because they don't throw this completely brand new technology into every possible product doesn't mean they won't ever use it. it seems like a safe bet that now that Apple has it, they will start putting it in other products as well.

You say it is "terrible" that Apple is making a phone, but the reality is that this phone probably has a wider market, and aside from that, the technology behind the tablet you described probably wouldn't be there without Apple developing it for this phone first.

-Zadillo
I didnt say it was terrible they made a phone. What I said mostly was it would be terrible if they DIDNT throw this into a tablet. It would show extreme lack of care for their computer sector.

[DarkNetworks]

No Leopard. Not good IMHO. Yes the iPhone is sweet. However Leopard is what will be going up against Vista over the next year and beyond. How about those "top secret" features Steve?

Not even iLife'07. I'm extremely disappointed. I was going to go out and get a new iMac bundled with iLife'07 but now...:(

[relimw]

http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore.woa/6754042/wa/PSLID?mco=CC1FA85A&nplm=MA073&wosid=r91tmKPZ2Zlg21pVFO12v14x0LL

New Airport Extreme Base Station

Edit: Supports 802.11n, 3 LAN ports. I don't notice anything else off the bat.

Works with the following as 802.11n:

http://www.apple.com/wireless/80211/
# iMac with Intel Core 2 Duo (except 17-inch, 1.83GHz iMac)
# MacBook with Intel Core 2 Duo
# MacBook Pro with Intel Core 2 Duo
# Mac Pro with AirPort Extreme card option

[DarkNetworks]

But doesnt stream iTunes... kinda sucks man :mad:

I guess they had to do it. Or else what about the Express?

[Zadillo]

YES! Thats the idea of capitalism. Companies are supposed to make products that consumers want. A lot of people want innovation in computers but they arent giving it. You know why, cause Apple knows that the OS X is so good no one can switch back to XP, so they rather let their computers lag, since no one is going to leave, a few just might not switch. No big deal when you can reel in a cash cow like a phone.

Great. Its better for Apple. But not for me, they are just going to put that money into accesories not computers, its no longer Apple Computers. Unfortuantely there are still alot of people who love OS X but think the hardware is way too limited, innovative, and expensive. Its like Gates said, which I think was actually a very wise statement, he couldnt concede that Vista was better than OS X but he said we've got flexibility that Apple doesn't. They have 19" touch screen. Laptops with wi-fi finders. Laptop that are less than 3 pounds. Ones with spill-proof keyboards. Tablets. UMPCs. The hardware on the Windows side kills Apple's Hardware. The only problem is the software. Its obvious this shift in strategy is going to be long term just look at their website.

The tabs are:
Apple
Store
iPhone
iPod
.Mac
Quicktime
Support
Mac OS X

They are focusing on the iPhone and iPod, the hardware doesnt even have its own TAB for christ's sake. Yet of course there is one for the OS X to nicely show off.

Abosultely ridiculsous.

And a lot of that Windows-based hardware is crap or poorly implemented (seriously, have you tried using the UMPC's from Samsung, Sony, etc?).

Part of the idea of capitalism is also to make products that as many people as possible want.

It would be awesome if Apple made some crazy tablet Mac, but I think the big reason they haven't yet is that the tech just isn't there, and a lot of tablets that are out there don't sell all that well.

But as much as you seem to hate Apple for focusing on this new phone, I would again venture to say that what they've accomplished with the new tech in this phone will find its way into new types of Mac that wouldn't even have been conceivable before.

I think Apple is doing plenty of cool stuff on the hardware side, and I expect more things unveiled over the year. Everything doesn't have to be released during Steve's keynote, especially not when it is dedicated to a completely new Apple product.

[YoNeX]

Is anyone else shocked that Think Secret was actually correct?

[shunpike]

just found this on Digg: obviously the google is cheating on apple lol



Samsung and Google Align to Create Rich Experience for Mobile Phone Users Worldwide

Cooperation ensures quick and easy access to GoogleTM search, Google MapsTM for mobile, and a fast, new GmailTM application for Samsung enthusiasts worldwide

Seoul, Korea and Las Vegas (Consumer Electronics Show) - January 8, 2007 - Samsung, a leading provider and innovator of mobile phones, and Google Inc. today announced a global cooperation to enable mobile phone users worldwide with quick and easy access to GoogleTM products and services - directly from their Samsung mobile phones.

Samsung mobile phones equipped with GoogleTM applications will enable consumers to search information, find locations, and manage their email on the move. Samsung's mobile phones offer today's latest technologies with unique applications and mobile designs. Now, the combination of GoogleTM applications and Samsung's advanced mobile devices represents two companies' dedication to offering a hassle-free mobile Internet experience for consumers world-wide.

Beginning in early 2007, selected Samsung phones will be provided with a range of GoogleTM products and services aimed to create a more dynamic user experience, including:

* GoogleTM search: Samsung handsets will include a GoogleTM icon in the application menu, providing users with one-click access to GoogleTM search
* Google MapsTM for mobile: Also featured on Samsung handsets will be Google MapsTM for mobile, an application that enables users to view maps and satellite imagery, find local businesses, and get driving directions when they're on the go
* GmailTM: GmailTM for mobile devices, a new application that brings more speed, convenience, and functionality to the mobile GmailTM experience, will also be available on Samsung handsets

Samsung has already launched, the Ultra Edition 13.8 (SGH-Z720), its first mobile handset installed with GoogleTM mobile search and GmailTM services. The slim 3G Z720 is only 13.8mm in thinness, is HSDPA ready, and comes with a 3-megapixel camera, MP3 Player, and Bluetooth connectivity. The HSDPA connectivity combined with embedded an Internet browser and GoogleTM mobile services will provide users with a rich mobile Internet experience. Future models will also be Google-ready as consumers continue to demand trouble-free mobile Internet access. Consumers will enjoy and appreciate Samsung's simple-to-use user interface and Google's familiarity for an effortless mobile Internet experience

"We are very thrilled to introduce Samsung mobiles with one-click access to Google services. Our cooperation with Google exemplifies our commitment to leading the evolution from the fixed-Internet era to a mobile Internet era and ushering in a ubiquitous world where mobile enables our consumers to access information about anything, anywhere, anytime," said Kitae Lee, President of Samsung's Telecommunication Network Business. "Samsung and Google will enhance users' mobile experience with a powerful, yet easy-to-use handset with simple access to information and personal management."

"Google is dedicated to providing users around the world with easier access information and services when they are mobile. Working with an industry leader like Samsung is a great way to accomplish that," said Deep Nishar, director of wireless products and strategy for Google Inc. "Improving the mobile user experience is of paramount importance to both Samsung and Google, and by working together we'll be able to bring the power, functionality, and convenience of GoogleTM search, Google MapsTM for mobile, and GmailTM for mobile devices to millions of Samsung users across the globe."

[mrgreen4242]

The tabs are:
Apple
Store
iPhone
iPod
.Mac
Quicktime
Support
Mac OS X

They are focusing on the iPhone and iPod, the hardware doesnt even have its own TAB for christ's sake. Yet of course there is one for the OS X to nicely show off.

Abosultely ridiculsous.

Just noticed that as well - what a crock of crap. Replace the tab for the ENTIRE line of computers with info on a not-even-available cell phone? Give me a break. At least with the switch to Intel, even if Apple royal farks up OSX and stops selling computers we can run Vista along with our old 10.4/5 apps. :(

EDIT: Even .Mac, a worthless product and Quicktime, which is now/should be more a part of iTunes than a stand alone product have their own tabs! They should have just bundled .Mac with all iPhones and lumped the .Mac info into the iPhone tab so that Hardware would still be up there.

[Chef Medeski]

And a lot of that Windows-based hardware is crap or poorly implemented (seriously, have you tried using the UMPC's from Samsung, Sony, etc?).

I think Apple is doing plenty of cool stuff on the hardware side, and I expect more things unveiled over the year. Everything doesn't have to be released during Steve's keynote, especially not when it is dedicated to a completely new Apple product.
A lot of it is crap I agree. But a lot of it is better than Mac. The fact is you have a choice. And a lot of the crap is cheap too. So some people care more about price than quality. Choice is a very nice thing. I mean if Apple's hardware is crap I have no choice but take it. Yet other places I can look all around for whatever I want.

[SiliconAddict]

What's the point of Apple tipping their hand on Leopard's secret features so soon, rather than waiting til after Vista has launched to consumers, etc.?

Umm because for all intents and puposes MS was finished with code development in Vista back in November. There is a negative percent chance of MS releasing ANYTHING demoed by Apple at this point.

[aaronw1986]

What!!!??? No computer upgrades, like Mac Pro, Leopard info, or iLife 07? I'm disappointed. I thought more stuff would happen. Sure the iPhone is awesome, but I have verizon...

[numediaman]

People are never happy!

All anybody has been moaning about is "When is the iPhone coming out" - and now Steve has spent some time really getting together a REVOLUTIONARY (not of this evolutionary *************) you're all complaining.

I've never heard anything like it. Maybe there IS an iLife update on the apple store - just wait.

What if Jobs introduced a new laptop that only blue eyed left handers could use? You'd wonder why Apple would do such a thing?

Apple has just introduced a great phone/iPod that only Cingular customers who reside in the U.S. can use -- and not until June.

Cingular has a thirty percent marketshare in the U.S. Why is Apple dissing sevently percent of cellphone users? Do they plan on doing the same with future iPod introductions, or laptops? Of course not.

EDIT: One last point. It scares me when someone says that all they need to do is capture "1 percent" of the market. If the iPhone ends up capturing numbers this low (just as Macs do) investors will be screaming. Did Apple just introduce the equivalent of the Mac for phones? If so, will Microsoft come in and introduce a phone that can be used with Sprint and Verizon? If so, Jobs will be crucified for doing to the iPhone what Apple did many years ago when they didn't license their OS.

[rcpmac]

Kudos to MacRumors for it's excellent coverage of this event. The photos were a great addition.

[MrTed]

Pros have been forgotten...no macpros, no logic pro 8

[iSplode]

Okay, so, it all started great, salivating at all the cool features of this new Apple gadget called iPhone for nearly an hour...

Then the bad news:

* $500-$600 WITH a contract.
* Cingular only (so phone will be locked and you get crappy service).
* Not available until June. WTF???
* Partnering with Yahoo for email. Why???
* Only 8GB on the most expensive unit??? Not enough for all the media.

Bah Humbug! Looks like the curse of Newton is back. All this buildup for an overpriced, crippled product that is still 5+ months away. Disappointing.

[Chef Medeski]

And a lot of that Windows-based hardware is crap or poorly implemented (seriously, have you tried using the UMPC's from Samsung, Sony, etc?).

Part of the idea of capitalism is also to make products that as many people as possible want.

It would be awesome if Apple made some crazy tablet Mac, but I think the big reason they haven't yet is that the tech just isn't there, and a lot of tablets that are out there don't sell all that well.

But as much as you seem to hate Apple for focusing on this new phone, I would again venture to say that what they've accomplished with the new tech in this phone will find its way into new types of Mac that wouldn't even have been conceivable before.

I think Apple is doing plenty of cool stuff on the hardware side, and I expect more things unveiled over the year. Everything doesn't have to be released during Steve's keynote, especially not when it is dedicated to a completely new Apple product.

I hope you are right. My rant is slight premature since Apple could easily announce a Tablet in a month with this technology and I would be delighted. It just stymied me a bit how the Keynote was dedicated.


On another not its nice to see the New Airport Extreme being $180. That way in line with products form other manufacturers which makes me want to buy one. Since I was looking into a n, and have always wanted the Aiport since its easy to configure, yet the price was a huge turn off. Might be interested, wonder whats the price in Canada and for students.

[Zadillo]

Umm because for all intents and puposes MS was finished with code development in Vista back in November. There is a negative percent chance of MS releasing ANYTHING demoed by Apple at this point.

Right, I'm not talking about Apple worrying about MS lifting anything at this point, just that there isn't a whole lot of need for them to spill the beans on Leopard yet, since it won't be out til May or so. I would think that a special event would be more appropriate, same with new hardware (i.e. new Santa Rosa-based MBP's, etc.).

[jacg]

Adding a USB drive to your airport extreme will make Time Machine very easy to deploy. I like that idea a lot.

Does anyone know if the USB slot on the Apple TV does has the same functionality?

I guess we'll be on high media-event-alert for the next month or two awaiting Leopard/iLife/iWork news. I'm disappointed not to be ordering at least iLife and iWork tonight but I am excited to think they may be enhanced by Leopard.

[pjarvi]

Works with the following as 802.11n:

Since the Mini is not listed, I still expect a bump within the next 3 months then. No point in buying a new Mini in the meantime.

[HelixOmnimedia]

What is the chance of just the iPod side of this device being released?

I don't see parents or students (myself included) going out to buy the iPhone, just to listen to music and watch videos.

[ogun7]

MacRumors ROCKS!!!!

You guys had the best coverage by far!!!

(Better than Engadget)

[Manic Mouse]

So nothing that we can actually buy now was looked at?

[Chef Medeski]

Adding a USB drive to your airport extreme will make Time Machine very easy to deploy. I like that idea a lot.

Does anyone know if the USB slot on the Apple TV does has the same functionality?

I guess we'll be on high media-event-alert for the next month or two awaiting Leopard/iLife/iWork news. I'm disappointed not to be ordering at least iLife and iWork tonight but I am excited to think they may be enhanced by Leopard.
YEAH I SAW THAT. Really nice. I'm definetly getting one. Thats the perfect solution for me. When coupled with my B&W for streaming photos and music it really makes my laptop a lot more flexible in terms of storage.

[Zadillo]

I hope you are right. My rant is slight premature since Apple could easily announce a Tablet in a month with this technology and I would be delighted. It just stymied me a bit how the Keynote was dedicated.


On another not its nice to see the New Airport Extreme being $180. That way in line with products form other manufacturers which makes me want to buy one. Since I was looking into a n, and have always wanted the Aiport since its easy to configure, yet the price was a huge turn off. Might be interested, wonder whats the price in Canada and for students.

Fair enough. And I would agree, now that Apple has perfected this technology, it would be silly to not extend it to a larger touchscreen portable Mac. I just wouldn't have expected Apple to not only unveil the iPhone today, but then also unveil a Mac tablet using the same technology.

Heck, I think it goes without saying that the next iPod will have the same kind of multitouch touchscreen interface, but I also wouldn't have expected them to unveil a new iPod as well, as any other new products would have been lost in the shuffle.

[Zadillo]

What is the chance of just the iPod side of this device being released?

I don't see parents or students (myself included) going out to buy the iPhone, just to listen to music and watch videos.

I think it's almost guaranteed that the next revision of the iPod will use this same technology (kind of like how the big iPod got the advanced scrollwheel introduced on the iPod mini) to offer a true widescreen hard drive-based video iPod and run this same new embedded OS X.

[Chef Medeski]

Nice pricing on Airport. $180 for US. $160 with edu. $180 CAD with edu. That in line with the exchange rate. Finally, no more rapage in the exchange.

LOL they still have the Airport Extreme up. $300 CAD with edu. LOL. Thanks for becoming more realistic Apple.

[relimw]

CNBC announced that they will have an interview with Steve Jobs on the "Closing Bell" program which begins at 3pm Eastern time (20mins from now).

[SiliconAddict]

Oh shut up, please do us all a favour.

I've been reading this forums and you've done nothing but whine since the phone was announced. Really we don't care about your opinion the 6th time its voiced.

OK lets be fair here. For most people the iPhone is a non-event since many will not switch carriers simply for a phone. However iLife and Leopard are a more viable, real world, and cheaper option. So for those who were looking to see what Apple has up their sleve in regards to iLife and Leopard this WAS a disappointment. When was the last time that Steve didn't demo an OS at MW?

And I think you are the one who should shut up because there is NO reason why anyone can't express disappointment. Only zealots get worked up to the point that they have to shout down people who a bit saddened by what Apple did or did not show.

[codo]

Apple tv has no market here until they actually make some video content available on iTunes, really. I do like the concept, personally however, I have no use for it right now. I think the market here will take a year or so to latch on, if not longer. Remember, broadcasters here have boycotted iTunes and set up their own services. (Channel 4, ITV and the BBC have versions launched or planned for some point this year.) What use is Apple TV without the content?

The phone is certainly impressive, I think it would be absurd to state otherwise. It will defiantly be priced out of my range when it hits the UK, particularly if they do partner with a network here. I choose my network, my phone doesn't do it for me by default. To be honest, my current phone, isn't even a smart phone, but does everything the iPhone claims to be revolutionary (Sony Ericsson), bar the WiFi and touch-screen so I've got to be objective and look past the glossy interface.

This is good for the mobile market. Nokia, Sony Ericsson and Motorola will have to work harder, and make their phones better. Apple is good at innovating, and other companies are good at following and emulating, so I look forward to using versions of this or similar technology several years from now at a much reduced price when I'm in the market for such a device.

[JZ Wire]

It would have been revolutionary if everyone could use it. But only Cingular customers will be able to use the phone. The truly revolutionary product will be the one that everyone can use. Until then, this is a competitor to the Blackberry -- a very small market indeed.

I agree. Not everyone can use it and you also gotta have the big bucks. I wouldn't have minded so much to pay for the $499 knowing im making a good commitment with an awesome ass phone but I cant because im with another provider. Oh well.... :(

[pale9]

not one peep about leopard? not one peep about new iwork, ilife? maybe i missed something on macrumorslive... if not, i am pretty disappointed! the iphone only works with cingular. bad, very bad. i am not about to switch just because of the iphone. price with 2 year contract is 499 and 599? way too high. i was really looking forward to this keynote, but have been left wanting much more...

[mazola]

Wasn't this supposed to be Macworld?

No mention of .Mac, iLife, or iWork upgrades?

No mention of Macs (!).

Just one announcement of an iPod phone (didn't they do that already? Hello ROKR).

Anyhoop, here's hoping they turn things around for Macworld 2008.

[DavidLeblond]

OK lets be fair here. For most people the iPhone is a non-event since many will not switch carriers simply for a phone. However iLife and Leopard are a more viable, real world, and cheaper option. So for those who were looking to see what Apple has up their sleve in regards to iLife and Leopard this WAS a disappointment. When was the last time that Steve didn't demo an OS at MW?

And I think you are the one who should shut up because there is NO reason why anyone can't express disappointment. Only zealots get worked up to the point that they have to shout down people who a bit saddened by what Apple did or did not show.

100% agree with you. I hate Verizon, but I'm not going to break my contract to switch carriers. iTV looks awesome, but I have no use for it. I want Leopard and I want iLife '07. Neither even got a mention.

[Zadillo]

100% agree with you. I hate Verizon, but I'm not going to break my contract to switch carriers. iTV looks awesome, but I have no use for it. I want Leopard and I want iLife '07. Neither even got a mention.

But Apple clearly doesn't have anything they can unveil about Leopard and iLife 07 yet, and they still wouldn't be available to buy until the Spring anyway.

I'm not sure what the big deal here is. The iPhone got all the attention and time because it is a completely new product from Apple. Leopard will get its attention probably at a special event/unveiling closer to when it is ready to come out.

-Zadillo

[SiliconAddict]

MacRumors ROCKS!!!!

You guys had the best coverage by far!!!

(Better than Engadget)

MR's text updates were faster however Engadget's pictures actually loaded for me. MR's died around a quarter of the way in. Then came back. Then died again. :(

[Zadillo]

Wasn't this supposed to be Macworld?

No mention of .Mac, iLife, or iWork upgrades?

No mention of Macs (!).

Just one announcement of an iPod phone (didn't they do that already? Hello ROKR).

Anyhoop, here's hoping they turn things around for Macworld 2008.

Maybe you missed it, but the iPhone runs OS X. It's actually in fact a whole new class of Mac.

And seriously, you don't think there's a difference between the ROKR and
the iPhone?

[DarkNetworks]

MR's text updates were faster however Engadget's pictures actually loaded for me. MR's died around a quarter of the way in. Then came back. Then died again. :(

I was checking both sites as well at the same time. Agree that MR's text updates were definitely faster.

P/S: And I just want to say thank you. :)

[Doctor Q]

MacRumors ROCKS!!!!

You guys had the best coverage by far!!!

(Better than Engadget)Thank you, on behalf of the "staff" here. I'm glad our live coverage worked, our photo feed worked, the forums stayed up and running, and our servers held up. It wasn't luck; it took a lot of planning and effort by arn, Knox, Mudbug, longofest, jsw, and everyone else who helped. (You know who you are.)

About Engadget: We had different types of coverage. Our feed was fast and furious, about the soonest you could get the news on the Internet, and designed to serve a huge number of site visitors with the lowest possible bandwidth. Engadget provided more of a transcript of what was said, and some larger photos, on a very large web page. Their coverage was delayed a few minutes and site visitors had to wait for a large page to load. It's good that both types of coverage are available, since the choice is a personal preference.

[bousozoku]

MR's text updates were faster however Engadget's pictures actually loaded for me. MR's died around a quarter of the way in. Then came back. Then died again. :(

The photos kept working for me but I'm using Firefox version 2. At least, the updates continued to work.

[azentropy]

Anyhoop, here's hoping they turn things around for Macworld 2008.

I predict 2007 will be the last year the event will be called MacWorld. It will be called AppleWorld or something else next year...

[daneoni]

So what/when is the next event?

[Sam0r]

No Mini updates? Boo!!

Although I'm very impressed with the Apple TV, and even more impressed with tue iPhone (Although thats not for me, too expencive) I really wanted to see updates to the Mac Mini as I intend to buy one as soon as they get Core 2 Duo and 802.11n, along with an Apple TV and Airport Extreme BS.

[bousozoku]

So what/when is the next event?

Check out their calendar on this page (http://www.apple.com/hotnews/). Nothing but professional events for a long while.

[Zadillo]

I predict 2007 will be the last year the event will be called MacWorld. It will be called AppleWorld or something else next year...

Even though the Mac universe is expanding?

What makes a Mac a Mac? I would argue that fact that it runs the Mac OS.

Last year, the only thing Apple sold that was a Mac were the actual physical Mac computers (MacBooks, MacBook Pros, Mac minis, Mac Pros, and XServes).

This year, we now have, in addition to that, the iPhone, a new type of Mac that still runs OS X.

Next year I would expect to see the iPod also running this new "Mac OS X", in place of the old iPod-specific OS, since I expect the new line of iPods to use this same tech.

So, the "mac world" will be expanding more and more. Why are people acting like the Mac is getting short shrift?

[cynerjist]

Thank you, on behalf of the "staff" here. I'm glad our live coverage worked, our photo feed worked, the forums stayed up and running, and our servers held up. It wasn't luck; it took a lot of planning and effort by arn, Knox, Mudbug, longofest, jsw, and everyone else who helped. (You know who you are.)



You guys did a terrific job. Thanks for your hard work.

i spent my lunch hour eating crackers at my desk with MR. the pics worked fine all the way through for me.

[relimw]

Maybe you missed it, but the iPhone runs OS X. It's actually in fact a whole new class of Mac.


What are the chances the iPhone runs Leopard? :cool:

Inquiring minds want to know.

[ogun7]

Thank you, on behalf of the "staff" here. I'm glad our live coverage worked, our photo feed worked, the forums stayed up and running, and our servers held up. It wasn't luck; it took a lot of planning and effort by arn, Knox, Mudbug, longofest, jsw, and everyone else who helped. (You know who you are.)

About Engadget: We had different types of coverage. Our feed was fast and furious, about the soonest you could get the news on the Internet, and designed to serve a huge number of site visitors with the lowest possible bandwidth. Engadget provided more of a transcript of what was said, and some larger photos, on a very large web page. Their coverage was delayed a few minutes and site visitors had to wait for a large page to load. It's good that both types of coverage are available, since the choice is a personal preference.

I been hitting this site forever (since '01, baby) mainly because you guys are what make Mac users great: smart, relentless about technology, fair and open-minded, but most of all, excellent

[PharmD]

What is the chance of just the iPod side of this device being released?

I don't see parents or students (myself included) going out to buy the iPhone, just to listen to music and watch videos.

September/Octoberish. Mark my words.

[Zadillo]

No Mini updates? Boo!!

Although I'm very impressed with the Apple TV, and even more impressed with tue iPhone (Although thats not for me, too expencive) I really wanted to see updates to the Mac Mini as I intend to buy one as soon as they get Core 2 Duo and 802.11n, along with an Apple TV and Airport Extreme BS.

I think a Mini update to C2D and 802.11n would be the kind of thing they would just do as a silent update, really. Just one day they release bumped up Mac minis, and that's it.

[bearda]

I gotta admit, I'm a bit disappointed as well. The iPhone, while cool, just isn't something I could see myself buying (especially at that price point). The iTV/AppleTV barely interests me at all unless it has the ability to load non-iTunes content, which doesn't seem to be in the cards right now.

I was really looking forward to a Leopard preview, and had pretty much committed to buying iWork '07 (a spreadsheet app would be really useful) and maybe iLife depending on the feature set. Replacing my iPod wasn't out of the question either.

As cool as the two announcements were, they really wasn't the broad scope of announcements I was hoping for (and have come to expect in the past).

Andrew Beard

[Chef Medeski]

Check out their calendar on this page (http://www.apple.com/hotnews/). Nothing but professional events for a long while.

Well atleast they are showing off the Modbook at 5:30 EST. That really pumps my juices.

[greenstork]

I've been coming to this site for years of keynote addresses and I'll be one of the first to say that I was disappointed with the coverage. The keynote live blogging stream was incoherent at best. It wasn't until I went over to Engadget where they spoke in entire sentences was I able to understand all of the details.

The stream notes reminded me of someone taking notes from a class or something -- fine if you're using those notes to remember something you've seen, but difficult to understand for someone who wasn't actually there.

One suggestion for next time... please try to use complete sentences and quotes when possible.

[mistafreeze]

apple tv plays
H.264 and protected H.264 (from iTunes Store): 640 by 480, 30 fps, LC version of Baseline Profile


i imagine visualHub will convert any content to itv ready

if you can add movies/music/pictures to external hd and play w/o mac being on i'd be very happy

i want an isight =\

[ogun7]

My Palm TX: dead
My Nano: dead
My RAZR V3i: dead

http://quote-web.aol.com/?s=AAPL,rimm,palm&e=NAS&dur=999&type=line&hgl=1&vgl=1&vol=1&splits=1&div=0&w=520

[JZ Wire]

not one peep about leopard? not one peep about new iwork, ilife? maybe i missed something on macrumorslive... if not, i am pretty disappointed! the iphone only works with cingular. bad, very bad. i am not about to switch just because of the iphone. price with 2 year contract is 499 and 599? way too high. i was really looking forward to this keynote, but have been left wanting much more...

You're not the only one bud. I left Cingular about 6 months ago so now im screwed and the price is too much for me. Not only that but nothing will be out for a while. Nothing about anything else, not even Leopard. :(

[Whistleway]

Great coverage. Live Photos were awesome. Thanks for the great work, MacRumors.

Regarding keynote, it is possibly the worst one till date. It is a no-show, as far as I am concerned.

[alexf]

Man, what a dissapointing Keynote... :(

I have no interest in either the iPhone (although admittedly cool but way overpriced) or Apple TV. I was really hoping for one of the rumors pertaining to what Apple used to be about (i.e. computers) to be true.

Apple has become so swept away by the popularity and profits of the iPod / iTunes that everything else it does seems to be suffering from a severe lack of innovation.

Sorrry to sound like a troll or party pooper, but just felt like expressing my thoughts somewhere.

[brepublican]

CNBC announced that they will have an interview with Steve Jobs on the "Closing Bell" program which begins at 3pm Eastern time (20mins from now).

Its actually at 4 Eastern, in case someone out there is still wanting to see it :)

EDIT: Make that 4:30 EST

[Zadillo]

Man, what a dissapointing Keynote... :(

I have no interest in either the iPhone (although admittedly cool but way overpriced) or Apple TV. I was really hoping for one of the rumors pertaining to what Apple used to be about (i.e. computers) to be true.

Apple has become so swept away by the popularity and profits of the iPod / iTunes that everything else it does seems to be suffering from a severe lack of innovation.

Sorrry to sound like a troll or party pooper, but just felt like expressing my thoughts somewhere.

a) The iPhone is a computer (hell, it is actually running OS X, which makes it more of a "computer" than most other phones out there).

b) I think it is absolutely mindblowing that Apple can be criticized as suffering from a severe lack of innovation after what they have just shown off with the iPhone. If you want to see a severe lack of innovation, go watch Microsoft's CES keynote.

c) Even if you aren't specifically interested in the iPhone itself, it is notable for a lot of reasons. First, since it is running OS X, it has the potential to expand the market for OS X itself. That means more developers interested in developing for OS X, which is good for people even if they don't use the iPhone at all. And it is also good just for expanding the platform. The iPod has had a halo effect just by being associated with Apple, but the iPhone will really give people the "OS X" experience and be a great selling tool to convince more people to buy Macs. This is great for everyone.

And finally, for those not interested in the iPhone specifically, the technology behind it is still of great interest I think to Mac users and iPod users. I fully expect the tech behind it to make its way to future Macs and iPods as well.

[brepublican]

I've been coming to this site for years of keynote addresses and I'll be one of the first to say that I was disappointed with the coverage. The keynote live blogging stream was incoherent at best. It wasn't until I went over to Engadget where they spoke in entire sentences was I able to understand all of the details.

The stream notes reminded me of someone taking notes from a class or something -- fine if you're using those notes to remember something you've seen, but difficult to understand for someone who wasn't actually there.

One suggestion for next time... please try to use complete sentences and quotes when possible.

Admittedly, the coverage at Engadget was hands down better, though lagging by a little bit. But I think its important to realise that Arn and the crew did their best. Having said that, I'd also like to see an improved coverage in future (even if this means sacrificing a few seconds guys!)

[joepunk]

I wish that Apple would get an indie band to perform instead of John Mayer or what ever his name is.

How about Wolf Parade, Modest Mouse, Broken Social Scene, Sleater-Kinney, Asobi Seksu...etc. Some band with more energy that appeals to the young, the independents.

IMO I don't think John Mayo is all that great of an artist. And that recent photo posted on MR does not do much to change my opinion.

Please Apple get another Keynote Closing band.

[clevin]

a) The iPhone is a computer (hell, it is actually running OS X, which makes it more of a "computer" than most other phones out there).

b) I think it is absolutely mindblowing that Apple can be criticized as suffering from a severe lack of innovation after what they have just shown off with the iPhone. If you want to see a severe lack of innovation, go watch Microsoft's CES keynote.

c) Even if you aren't specifically interested in the iPhone itself, it is notable for a lot of reasons. First, since it is running OS X, it has the potential to expand the market for OS X itself. That means more developers interested in developing for OS X, which is good for people even if they don't use the iPhone at all. And it is also good just for expanding the platform. The iPod has had a halo effect just by being associated with Apple, but the iPhone will really give people the "OS X" experience and be a great selling tool to convince more people to buy Macs. This is great for everyone.

And finally, for those not interested in the iPhone specifically, the technology behind it is still of great interest I think to Mac users and iPod users. I fully expect the tech behind it to make its way to future Macs and iPods as well.

apple need t show more to convince me this phone "actually run OSX", so far, its quite palm-PDA-like.

I believe OSX/Mac are superior than this phone, and what tech behind this phone can "make its way to future Macs"? in your opinion?

I agree this phone is prototype of future iPods, just wonder how apple is going to avoid the market competition between this phone and future iPods.

Again, this phone is quite Palm-PDA-like, with much better UI, but not that far as a "computer" yet.

[Zadillo]

I wish that Apple would get an indie band to perform instead of John Mayer or what ever his name is.

How about Wolf Parade, Modest Mouse, Broken Social Scene, Sleater-Kinney, Asobi Seksu...etc. Some band with more energy that appeals to the young, the independents.

IMO I don't think John Mayo is all that great of an artist. And that recent photo posted on MR does not do much to change my opinion.

Please Apple get another Keynote Closing band.

I think a guy like John Mayer is sort of a "safe bet" who plays a style of music that appeals to a fairly wide group, and at least is inoffensive to people who don't specifically like him. The problem with trying to pick an indie band is that they are more likely to only appeal to smaller segments (nothing wrong with that, but it's just one of the differences between a lot of indie bands and why they aren't "mainstream").

apple need t show more to convince me this phone "actually run OSX", so far, its quite palm-PDA-like.

I believe OSX/Mac are superior than this phone, and what tech behind this phone can "make its way to future Macs"? in your opinion?

I agree this phone is prototype of future iPods, just wonder how apple is going to avoid the market competition between this phone and future iPods.

Again, this phone is quite Palm-PDA-like, with much better UI, but not that far as a "computer" yet.

What more does Apple need to show you exactly? They've already shown off iTunes, Safari, Dashboard widgets, etc. running on it. I use a Treo 650 and this completely blows away what my Treo is capable of (hell, I would buy this just to not have to use Palm's crappy "Blazer" web browser). It seems PDA like probably because the specific apps they've shown off for it are optimized more for PDA/phone type use, but the full functioanlity is well beyond most PDA OS's.

As far as future tech that will make its way into Macs; the big one from what I have seen would seem to be the multitouch interface, which I think is a natural to find its way into future Mac portables, and possibly even desktops (this could blow away the recently introduced HP TouchSmart desktop).

[clevin]

What more does Apple need to show you exactly? They've already shown off iTunes, Safari, Dashboard widgets, etc. running on it. I use a Treo 650 and this completely blows away what my Treo is capable of (hell, I would buy this just to not have to use Palm's crappy "Blazer" web browser). It seems PDA like probably because the specific apps they've shown off for it are optimized more for PDA/phone type use, but the full functioanlity is well beyond most PDA OS's.
looks better than palm? absolutely yes
more like a computer than palm? probably slightly
can do most work a computer can do? probably no

they already show off iTunes, safari, dashboard, etc, but thats all. a OS can do more than that, right?

[daneoni]

No HE discount for Apple TV.

[Zadillo]

looks better than palm? absolutely yes
more like a computer than palm? probably slightly
can do most work a computer can do? probably no

they already show off iTunes, safari, dashboard, etc, but thats all. a OS can do more than that, right?

Well, yes, of course. This is the point though, it can run the full iTunes, the full Safari, etc. It is OS X. People can make other apps to do a wide variety of things. The capabilities are much closer to OS X than something like Palm OS.

Will you do all the work a computer can do? That's a good question. Heck, a Palm PDA can do some of the things a computer can do (i.e. use DocumentsToGo to edit MS Word docs), but whether this iPhone would be used that way remains to be seen.

Again, I'm not sure what other convincing you need to know that it actually does run OS X, beyond that Apple has already said it and shown it running OS X apps and capabilities, far beyond what Palm OS is capable of.

[Marlor]

I just woke up (the Keynote was at 3AM in our time zone) and am looking through the coverage, and all I have to say is:

What? No iLife?

I've been holding off purchasing a MacBook so I could get one with iLife '07, and was planning to order one today, and I must say that I am bitterly disappointed. I really don't want to order one now, because iLife could be released at any moment.

[Multimedia]

Congrats on great coverage. Too bad the content SUCKED. :confused: :eek: :mad: :(

[Zadillo]

I just woke up (the Keynote was at 3AM in our time zone) and am looking through the coverage, and all I have to say is:

What? No iLife?

I've been holding off purchasing a MacBook so I could get one with iLife '07, and was planning to order one today, and I must say that I am bitterly disappointed. I really don't want to order one now, because iLife could be released at any moment.

If I was holding off until now to buy a MacBook, I would just as soon hold off until the Spring when I could get a MacBook with Leopard (and presumably iLife 07 as well, which I wouldn't have expected to already be available for sale).