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zimv20
Jan 12, 2007, 12:35 AM
AP (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070112/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_iraq_military)


WASHINGTON - The Pentagon has abandoned its limit on the time a citizen-soldier can be required to serve on active duty, officials said Thursday, a major change that reflects an Army stretched thin by longer-than-expected combat in Iraq.

The day after President Bush announced his plan for a deeper U.S. military commitment in Iraq, Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters the change in reserve policy would have been made anyway because active-duty troops already were getting too little time between their combat tours.

The Pentagon also announced it is proposing to Congress that the size of the Army be increased by 65,000, to 547,000 and that the Marine Corps, the smallest of the services, grow by 27,000, to 202,000, over the next five years. No cost estimate was provided, but officials said it would be at least several billion dollars.

Until now, the Pentagon's policy on the Guard or Reserve was that members' cumulative time on active duty for the Iraq or Afghan wars could not exceed 24 months. That cumulative limit is now lifted; the remaining limit is on the length of any single mobilization, which may not exceed 24 consecutive months, Pace said.

In other words, a citizen-soldier could be mobilized for a 24-month stretch in Iraq or Afghanistan, then demobilized and allowed to return to civilian life, only to be mobilized a second time for as much as an additional 24 months. In practice, Pace said, the Pentagon intends to limit all future mobilizations to 12 months.

Members of the Guard combat brigades that have served in Iraq in recent years spent 18 months on active duty — about six months in pre-deployment training in the United States, followed by about 12 months in Iraq. Under the old policy, they could not be sent back to Iraq because their cumulative time on active duty would exceed 24 months. Now that cumulative limit has been lifted, giving the Pentagon more flexibility.

The new approach, Pace said, is to squeeze the training, deployment and demobilization into a maximum of 12 months. He called that a "significant planning factor" for Guard and Reserve members and their families.

David Chu, the Pentagon's chief of personnel, said in an interview that he thinks Guard and Reserve members will be cheered by the decision to limit future mobilizations to 12 months. The fact that some with previous Iraq experience will end up spending more than 24 months on active duty is "no big deal," Chu said, because it has been "implicitly understood" by most that they eventually would go beyond 24 months.

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Thomas Veil
Jan 12, 2007, 12:51 AM
In other words, a citizen-soldier could be mobilized for a 24-month stretch in Iraq or Afghanistan, then demobilized and allowed to return to civilian life, only to be mobilized a second time for as much as an additional 24 months.I was gonna post this same article, but under the cheeky title "24". :D

Looks like this may be something else Congress will have to address. After all, if we keep extending these tours far enough, the United States can boast that it's "all war, all the time."

There's a big difference between being in the service and being in servitude.

After G
Jan 12, 2007, 12:55 AM
How long before the draft's reinstated?

I'm half-serious.

Don't know whether to be :eek:, :confused:, :rolleyes:, :(, or :mad: about this whole thing.

bousozoku
Jan 12, 2007, 01:17 AM
How long before the draft's reinstated?

I'm half-serious.

Don't know whether to be :eek:, :confused:, :rolleyes:, :(, or :mad: about this whole thing.

All of the above.

Send the administration to fight, if they want it so much. Perhaps, they will re-activate my adoptive dad's service. He's only been out about 40 years. :rolleyes:

pseudobrit
Jan 12, 2007, 01:59 AM
They take and take and take.

This is supporting the troops?

mactastic
Jan 12, 2007, 09:02 AM
The new approach, Pace said, is to squeeze the training, deployment and demobilization into a maximum of 12 months. He called that a "significant planning factor" for Guard and Reserve members and their families.
Good luck with that. You're either going to have undertrained cannon fodder, or deployments that don't last long enough to actually allow the soldier to become effective at their job. I mean, if the training that now takes 6 months can be compressed into 3 months, and you figure it takes at least another 3 months to become familiar with the local 'scene' wherever you end up, that means that at best you have 6 months on duty?

That's great for the soldiers, but sucks from a military standpoint. Which leads me to believe that when push comes to shove the military's needs will win out. Which further leads me to believe that the 12 month thing is just a fig leaf, and that deployments will routinely be extended.

Black&Tan
Jan 12, 2007, 09:18 AM
Another slap in the face for the Guard and Reserves.

This is how the military deals with inordinate stress on our citizen soldiers. It's bad enough that they don't have current equipment (or any equipment), they don't have the respect of the Army/Air Force as a whole, and horrible pay. Now they will face job instability. After all, this "war on terror" is not going to end anytime soon. How many places will keep an employee who can be deployed for two years at a time, and then face a second two year deployment within another year or so?? I know the law says that you have to hold "a comparable position" for these soldiers while they're away, but most companies have little to no notice prior to a soldier's deployment, and an open ended return date. There is now no incentive for these companies to keep jobs available. How many soldiers are returning to an unwelcome job environment, especially since they're not being allowed to get out of the reserves.