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acearchie
Jan 14, 2007, 02:02 PM
I think Apple have made a big problem with the Apple TV, for the fact that only america has the capibilities of downlaoding movies from the iTunes store and so for all of us in Europe, the Uk and other counteries, the Apple Tv seems not worth having . . .

Anyone agree?

(P.S I couldnt find a thread anywhere else but what does everyone thikn about the silent introduction of the Airport Extreme?)

:)



ftaok
Jan 15, 2007, 09:52 AM
Well, the real issue is whether Apple will have video content available to the UK (and other countries) by the time the aTV ships. Not having the content now is irrelevant. If there is no content available when the aTV is available, then it becomes a problem.

So right now, it's more of a "wait and see, then complain" type of deal going on.

ft

JHacker
Jan 15, 2007, 10:10 AM
So right now, it's more of a "wait and see, then complain" type of deal going on.

I agree with this. If appleTV is going to ship to and be available in Europe and other countries, then I'm sure the movie store will be expanded to those countries as well.

4np
Jan 15, 2007, 10:14 AM
Why all the 'UK and Other Countries' above? :) Europe is Europe...

[OnTopic]
I agree I don't see much use for the AppleTV; I want to view my DivX and DVD's on my TV. Now I just hook up my PowerBook and it works perfectly or I stream my iTunes collection to my Airport Exptress. I don't see why I would need some AppleTV Settop box with which I can only play videos from the iTunes store? And I even need my PowerBook as well. So with AppleTV I need two devices in stead of just one I use now?
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erikamsterdam
Jan 15, 2007, 10:39 AM
Same thought here. Why can you only stream from stupid iTunes ?!?! That means you cannot play any movies downloaded from other sources than iTunes. I thought this would be a great thing, much more stylish and with remote compared to TV out on a computer. But I guess not for me :(

chicagdan
Jan 15, 2007, 11:07 AM
Why all the 'UK and Other Countries' above? :) Europe is Europe...


Yeah right ... until the UK adopts the Euro and Europe's foreign policy, just consider us Oceana. Canada is more European than the UK right now.

dejo
Jan 15, 2007, 11:10 AM
I've said this before (in other threads) but I'll say it again: Perhaps Apple is not the only party involved when it comes to bringing TV Shows and Movies to other countries. Think about it.

geese
Jan 15, 2007, 11:47 AM
Yeah right ... until the UK adopts the Euro and Europe's foreign policy, just consider us Oceana. Canada is more European than the UK right now.

Totally OT, but the UK was part of the European Union last time i checked...

chicagdan
Jan 15, 2007, 11:59 AM
Totally OT, but the UK was part of the European Union last time i checked...

Yeah, no kidding. I was poking fun at our British friends for their arms-length relationship with Europe and made a literary allusion to 1984 in the process ... but yes, if you demand encyclopedic literalism in all of your discussions, the UK is in Europe.

acearchie
Jan 15, 2007, 12:28 PM
but yes, if you demand encyclopedic literalism in all of your discussions, the UK is in Europe.

Yes but in terms of Apple inc. it may not be.

Although it was quite along time ago am I right in thinking that the UK got the iTunes Music store before the rest of europe did?

MongoTheGeek
Jan 15, 2007, 01:09 PM
What they need to add is something like Handbrake to iTunes so that the DVD's that we all own can be watched/stored on the new magical device. An upgradable HD perhaps, video in.

ftaok
Jan 15, 2007, 01:37 PM
What they need to add is something like Handbrake to iTunes so that the DVD's that we all own can be watched/stored on the new magical device. An upgradable HD perhaps, video in.

This will never happen. Yeah, never is a long time, but this one is almost a certainty. Why? Well, for one, Apple is selling content on their own store, so why would they open iTunes up for competition? OK, I know you're going to say that "iTunes lets you rip CDs and the iTMS sells music, so what's the problem?"

Good point, but iTunes allowed ripping CDs to mp3's before the iTMS was set-up. But even with that, there's the second reason that we'll never see DVD rippin' on iTunes. The DMCA.

Right now, in the US, ripping a DVD is against the DMCA (note that I don't say illegal). Apple won't facilitate ripping DVDs on the Mac or iTunes.

ft

everhage
Jan 15, 2007, 02:16 PM
Illegal or not. It's rather easy to rip DVD's straight to MP4 or H264 format and inmport these into iTunes. Works fine for my iPod. I don't see why these movies won't work through AppleTV. I'm buying one in order to get rid of my crappy DVD player.

ftaok
Jan 15, 2007, 03:24 PM
Illegal or not. It's rather easy to rip DVD's straight to MP4 or H264 format and inmport these into iTunes. Works fine for my iPod. I don't see why these movies won't work through AppleTV. I'm buying one in order to get rid of my crappy DVD player.

Understood. However, if you're only interested in the movie and not the DVD extras, this will work.

Personally, I like the extras on the DVD. I also tend to use sub-titles.

For me, ripping the DVD as a Video_TS folder works much better than as an MPG4 or h264.

sjk
Jan 15, 2007, 04:28 PM
For me, ripping the DVD as a Video_TS folder works much better than as an MPG4 or h264.
It's certainly faster, especially on older processors (e.g. my wife's 1.25GHz eMac that I'm still using for most ripping). And my EyeTV 200 recordings are more convenient left as MPEG-2, which are DVD-Video compatible for archiving and can be streamed to EyeHome (though unfortunately not to Apple TV, AFAWK).

I can understand Apple wanting to use Apple TV as a way to "promote" (e.g. with iTS sales) H.264 but not having backwards compatibility for pre-existing MPEG-2 content (e.g. EyeTV recordings) content and SDTV are two deal-killers for me.

generationxwing
Jan 15, 2007, 06:27 PM
Totally OT, but the UK was part of the European Union last time i checked...

Europe is not a country. It is a political union of independent countries.

MacSociology
Jan 16, 2007, 01:26 PM
Europe is not a country. It is a political union of independent countries.

Sorry, but no. That would be the EU.

210
Jan 16, 2007, 02:50 PM
I'm buying one in order to get rid of my crappy DVD player.

I take it you're not interested in surround sound?

XjeffX
Jan 16, 2007, 03:16 PM
People are complaining that they can't rip dvd's to iTunes and then watch them on the AppleTV? Why not just pop the DVD in to your player?

Let's face it, people want to play movies they have downloaded. I know I do.

I have an old xbox that is modified with a 160 gb hard drive. I ftp to that and upload my videos to watch on my tv. It works great. If apple's device let me play my own videos in almost any format, I'd definitely buy it. But just to play iTunes movies? Nah... I don't think so.

Apple wants revenue from the iTunes music/movie store and who can blame them? I can't help but think how many people would jump all over this device if it were open to other formats though. I guess Apple's playing it safe.

SteveJA
Jan 16, 2007, 04:01 PM
Well, the real issue is whether Apple will have video content available to the UK (and other countries) by the time the aTV ships. Not having the content now is irrelevant.

Irrelevant?

iTunes Store in the USA started selling T.V. programmes on October 12th 2005... Today, in the UK well over a year has passed and still all we can buy are music videos and Pixar short films.

I'm bored of waiting now.

Counterfit
Jan 16, 2007, 05:16 PM
Irrelevant?

iTunes Store in the USA started selling T.V. programmes on October 12th 2005... Today, in the UK well over a year has passed and still all we can buy are music videos and Pixar short films.

I'm bored of waiting now.

I'm sure Apple would love to sell music, movies, and TV shows to every country in the world, but they aren't the people holding this up.

everhage
Jan 17, 2007, 01:58 AM
I take it you're not interested in surround sound?

Got a point there.To be honest I'm not. I don't feel like putting a bunch of spekaers in my small living room only to see my little kid to put LEGO blocks in each of them. My subwoofer and two small speakers are doing fine. Besides, If I want to experience a movie the way it should be, I buy myself a ticket for the cinema.....superwidescreen, surround sound, and a big box of popcorn.

PS...it's only my opinion.

ogee
Jan 17, 2007, 02:58 AM
Now I just hook up my PowerBook and it works perfectly or I stream my iTunes collection to my Airport Exptress. I don't see why I would need some AppleTV Settop box with which I can only play videos from the iTunes store? And I even need my PowerBook as well. So with AppleTV I need two devices in stead of just one I use now?



I dont have a laptop and my Mac is in a different room to my TV, so the Atv is perfect for me. I have the EyeTV210 (or 410 I forget) with EyeConnect. Eyetv say they will support the ATV in due course so I see no reason why I should not be able to stream DBV-T over Atv.

Then there is the unprotected content on the web which can be downloaded and put on the ATV HD. I have ordered the ATV, and Airport Extreme, so its sit and wait right now.

gkarris
Jan 17, 2007, 12:15 PM
Europe is not a country. It is a political union of independent countries.

I thought "Europe" was some sort of continent to the east across some vast ocean.

Nothing really exists outside the USA anyways...

(goes back to watching "Top Gun"....);)

gkarris
Jan 17, 2007, 12:20 PM
I dont have a laptop and my Mac is in a different room to my TV, so the Atv is perfect for me. I have the EyeTV210 (or 410 I forget) with EyeConnect. Eyetv say they will support the ATV in due course so I see no reason why I should not be able to stream DBV-T over Atv.

Then there is the unprotected content on the web which can be downloaded and put on the ATV HD. I have ordered the ATV, and Airport Extreme, so its sit and wait right now.


No, seriously, I have an aTV on order, and would like to try to get broadcast HD. I see you can get Elgato's USB hookup, would it be possible to stream it over to the aTV to my home theater from the Mini on my desk?

gkarris
Jan 17, 2007, 12:26 PM
No, seriously, I have an aTV on order, and would like to try to get broadcast HD. I see you can get Elgato's USB hookup, would it be possible to stream it over to the aTV to my home theater from the Mini on my desk?

found it...

http://faq.elgato.com/index.php/faq/more/489/

SO WAY COOL...

sjk
Jan 17, 2007, 04:04 PM
I have the EyeTV210 (or 410 I forget) with EyeConnect.
How are you using EyeConnect?

Eyetv say they will support the ATV in due course so I see no reason why I should not be able to stream DBV-T over Atv.
Maybe it's that ATV needs to support more EyeTV formats?

Then there is the unprotected content on the web which can be downloaded and put on the ATV HD.
Surely most of that downloadable content isn't in the limited MPEG-4 (H.263/H.64) formats that ATV currently supports.

sjk
Jan 17, 2007, 04:11 PM
SO WAY COOL...
It may not be "so was cool" as you think it is. If you'll be converting EyeTV MPEG-2 recordings to H.264 or MPEG-4 on a regular basis it may become unreasonably s l o w. My EyeTV 200 can record to MPEG-4 but the quality was noticeably worse than MPEG-2 when I tested that a couple years ago.

ogee
Jan 17, 2007, 05:23 PM
A lot can change in a couple of year ;)

Currently I have my Eyetv 401 firewire recording DVB-T programs whilst Im out. Eyeconnect is running and I have tried 2 different ways to connect to the TV. The best is with a Cat5 cable 100Mbps which works well, but I dont want a cable running over the house. The other is with a wifi bridge connected to the cat5 port on my 42" HD TV and my mac connected to my wifi switch. As this is only 54Mbps its ok for iTunes etc, but not for video as its too slow.

When the Aitport extreme and Atv arrive I hope the faster wifi will make things better here. As the Atv has a HD built in I guess it should be possible (somehow) to copy/sync an external file to the HD.

For HD unencripted downloads look at the BBC Media library or Quicktime http://www.apple.com/quicktime/guide/hd/

sjk
Jan 17, 2007, 06:44 PM
Eyeconnect is running
What's the reason for using EyeConnect? I don't understand why it's necessary for your setup.

ogee
Jan 18, 2007, 01:52 PM
What's the reason for using EyeConnect? I don't understand why it's necessary for your setup.


Eyetv, or its Philips equivalent that came with my TV, act as the media server software to stream Eyetv and other recordings, photo and iTunes from the computer to my Philips TV.

Anonymous Freak
Jan 18, 2007, 02:10 PM
Same thought here. Why can you only stream from stupid iTunes ?!?! That means you cannot play any movies downloaded from other sources than iTunes. I thought this would be a great thing, much more stylish and with remote compared to TV out on a computer. But I guess not for me :(

You can play any movie files that are in your iTunes library. I, for example, have home videos, EyeTV recordings, and some copies of movies I own on DVD that didn't violate Fair Use rights to get on my computer.

At present, I have five 'full length feature films' in my iTunes library. Only one was purchased through the iTunes Store. And if you don't count all the free downloads, only about half my TV Shows are iTunes Store purchased, the other half are EyeTV recordings, exported to iTunes. (Although I have about twice as many of the iTunes Store 'free download' TV shows than EyeTV and iTS purchased combined.)

sjk
Jan 18, 2007, 03:22 PM
Eyetv, or its Philips equivalent that came with my TV, act as the media server software to stream Eyetv and other recordings, photo and iTunes from the computer to my Philips TV.
Okay, sounds like that "Philips equivalent" is the media extender for your computer to the TV.

You can play any movie files that are in your iTunes library. I, for example, have home videos, EyeTV recordings, and some copies of movies I own on DVD that didn't violate Fair Use rights to get on my computer.
Which format do you use for EyeTV recordings in iTunes? I've exported MPEG-2 program streams from EyeTV, imported them into iTunes, and playback works fine but apparently Apple TV won't support those. Exporting them as MPEG-4 or H.264 is personally unacceptable, for reasons I explained yesterday in another post (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=3263463#post3263463). Of course that's already necessary for video iPod owners who want to view EyeTV programs, but making it a requirement for Apple TV is shortsighted of Apple (IMO).

Anonymous Freak
Jan 18, 2007, 04:18 PM
Okay, sounds like that "Philips equivalent" is the media extender for your computer to the TV.


Which format do you use for EyeTV recordings in iTunes? I've exported MPEG-2 program streams from EyeTV, imported them into iTunes, and playback works fine but apparently Apple TV won't support those. Exporting them as MPEG-4 or H.264 is personally unacceptable, for reasons I explained yesterday in another post (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=3263463#post3263463). Of course that's already necessary for video iPod owners who want to view EyeTV programs, but making it a requirement for Apple TV is shortsighted of Apple (IMO).

I use one-pass MPEG-4, 1500 kbps video, 128 kbps AAC audio, 640 wide, native aspect ratio for DVDs (quick and dirty, I figure it's okay because DVDs are already MPEG-2 compressed, so I won't be losing a lot of quality,) and H.264, 1500 kbps video, 128 kbps AAC audio, 640 wide, native aspect ratio for HD-source TV to preserve the higher quality. Yeah, it takes for stinkin ever, but I don't have too many shows that I record, so it records in the evening, and has finished exporting to iTunes by morning. (2.0 GHz Core Duo. H.264 exporting is *WAAAAY* faster on dual core.)

pale9
Jan 18, 2007, 05:10 PM
i want to watch stuff, not buy stuff. so, unless itunes comes up with a different model for their video stuff, i wont buy the apple tv. a company called slingmedia will start selling a thing called the 'sling catcher' soon, which essentially does all that the apple tv does, but plays just about ANY format. i want to watch mpeg 2, dv, mpeg 4, divx, etc. not just apple's format. jobs has to open up this product....

sjk
Jan 18, 2007, 08:29 PM
I use one-pass MPEG-4, 1500 kbps video, 128 kbps AAC audio, 640 wide, native aspect ratio for DVDs
Same for your EyeTV recordings?