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astray
May 16, 2003, 06:00 AM
www.Macwhispers.com reports:

Details Emerge On Coming iPod Super Docks

Continued investigation on the previously reported upscale iPod docking product has painted a fairly detailed picture of not one, but two upcoming products. One is a mild step up from the basic dock, with more I/O features for integrating into a home stereo system; the other is much, much more than that.

Both of the new advanced 'Pod docks are slated for near-term production, and are to be released concurrently with a host of updates in v3.0 of the iPod software, and about the time that Apple unveils its iTunes Music Store for Windows, later in 2003.

The first product we will see released is a white plastic dock, physically similar to the stock iPod dock, but with stereo RCA jacks on the back, and an IR remote "eye" on the front. A small, white plastic IR handheld remote will be included that provides not only basic transport functions not handled by the stock wired remote, but also gives forward/back controls for album, chapter, and playlist, as well as adds a mute control. We have not been able to confirm whether the remote will include an LCD display, but this has been suggested as possible by one unproven OEM source.

The second dock product, possibly released at the same time as the "hi-fi dock," will include all of the above mentioned features, plus will add recording and playback of line input or microphone level stereo audio, as well as Rendezvous-enabled 802.11G Airport networking capability. This much we have verified with a high degree of confidence. Beyond these features, we have, again, an unproven OEM source telling us that that this "network dock" will go "well beyond" these core features in a way that "seamlessly integrates the iPod into both the home stereo system and the home LAN." We consider one suggested feature to be farfetched, and offer it here only as a claim that has been made to us: this particular dock is said to be able to surf and control the iTunes Music Store as a standalone client, over an Airport or Ethernet-based shared internet connection to a Mac or PC.

To clarify this report, we have established the reality of two upcoming upscale iPod docks from Apple. One adds RCA jacks and an IR remote for fairly advanced iPod remote control. The other adds some degree of on-board processing capability, Rendezvous-enabled Airport networking, and stereo audio recording. Any more than these points are offered more in the sense of informative speculation, until such time as we have more history established with the particular source of these more advanced claims.



astray
May 16, 2003, 06:13 AM
This concept will take the iPod to a new level if it comes true, imagine your entire music librabray, connected to your stereo, with a rendezvous capability.... ill have to stop drooling.

But does that mean you could remote control your neighbours stereo if they were using such a dock? sleeping neighbour, 3am, loud music, rendezvous, Sounds like a great prank ;)

Ah well, ill give the usual disclaimer, this is a RUMOUR..not fact, so take it with a pinch of salt?

gwuMACaddict
May 16, 2003, 09:08 AM
seems like the natural progression of things anyway... i like the airport idea

:D

JPGR_Fan
May 16, 2003, 09:33 AM
Let's see. $39 for the current dock, so New Dock #1 ~ 2X or $79 to $100; New Dock #2 ~ 4X or $159 to $200. I'll go for Dock #2 if it does the WiFi thing.

bigjohn
May 16, 2003, 09:38 AM
Upscale is right as I'm about to drop $499 for a 30GB iPod (that'll be doubled in size within 2 years), now I'd have to drop another $100-200 for a special dock. Hopefully someone like Dr. Bott or ClubMac comes out with a generic dock beforehand and keeps the Apple one in-check pricewise.

DaveGee
May 16, 2003, 11:46 AM
Oh yea! Hmmm... Now, I wonder what I can get for my Sony 400 CD Changer. Not to mention the fact that I'll free up a H-U-G-E space in my equipment rack! :D

Yea I know I could pretty much do that now with the dock they already have but I have a somewhat strange setup. All of my gear is in the family room with only speakers in the living room. I use an IR transmitter to remote contol all the audio stuff. If I were to put in the switch now I'd have to walk up and down the stairs to change songs etc. BLECH! Once I've got something that could IR remote control things I'll be all set, oh and if it has an LCD display on the remote I'll even be ahead of the game! :cool:

Dave

visor
May 16, 2003, 12:51 PM
I've heard that there will be a device that clips onto the iPod like the external battery pack, only to the front.
It will basically be a scribble pad, like those on palms that allows you to input handwritten text on the move.

Anyone else hear that?

cc bcc
May 16, 2003, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by visor
I've heard that there will be a device that clips onto the iPod like the external battery pack, only to the front.
It will basically be a scribble pad, like those on palms that allows you to input handwritten text on the move.

Anyone else hear that?

You've "heard" that where?

cryptochrome
May 16, 2003, 01:02 PM
So where's the dock for your car? A stereo with a drop in slot and built in navigation controls would be ideal. An adapter that works in place of existing in-trunk CD changer systems and can be fully controlled by regular CD-changer controls would be even better. FM transmitters and cassette adapters can't match a line connection for quality.

visor
May 16, 2003, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by cc bcc
You've "heard" that where?

Oh, not any offical source. I didn't really believe it at first, but looking at the iPod, it is the only thing thats missing on it, wouldn't you say?
That's why I asked if anyone had Infos on it.

narrowfellow
May 16, 2003, 01:33 PM
Still a very cool way to stream your iTunes library to your stereo system. Check out http://www.slimp3.com. Comes with a remote, and a nice BIG display. No need for an iPod at all!

moosecat
May 16, 2003, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by cryptochrome
So where's the dock for your car? A stereo with a drop in slot and built in navigation controls would be ideal. An adapter that works in place of existing in-trunk CD changer systems and can be fully controlled by regular CD-changer controls would be even better. FM transmitters and cassette adapters can't match a line connection for quality.

A year or so ago, there was information/rumor that Volkswagen was going to release a special edition Jetta with an iPod dock in the dash. (Which wouldn't be unheard of for VW -- they had a "Trek" edition Jetta a few years back that came with a Trek bike.) I never heard anything else about it though, and I've been looking.

yzedf
May 16, 2003, 02:43 PM
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2144022&cat=4478&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3987%3A77622%3A4478

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2144021&cat=4139&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A4139%3A47604

Not that I suggest buying from Wal-Mart... but you get my drift.

mim
May 16, 2003, 05:45 PM
It would be great if the recording dock had balanced inputs - it would become a sound engineer's best friend. You'd want it to record to aiff though, but on a 30gig pod there'd be plenty of room. Just think no more lugging PCM's, betamax's, dats, etc etc around. Mic's and an iPod.

I'd expect this feature to only be available on the Mac. Infact this is quite a clever strategy by Apple...."sure, sure we'll release all these cool new features, but ahh, the really useful ones are Mac only...sorry!"

Every sound engineer in the world would be tempted to switch if this was the case.

Bands could master their songs on iPod and upload directly to iTMS ;)

MacFan25
May 16, 2003, 07:32 PM
The remote feature would be very nice. I wonder how much an advanced iPod dock would cost. :confused:

mac15
May 16, 2003, 08:38 PM
it seems a bit silly to bring it out now , but if its gonna be that good then it'd be worth it

Snowy_River
May 16, 2003, 10:21 PM
An IR remote for the iPod is really quite trivial. It would be a simple matter to design and build one. (I've even entertained the notion of building one for my 20GB iPod - which will never be supported by these new docks.)

A car dock is another matter. It could be tricky or trivial. Many car stereos actually do have stereo line-in support, frequently located on the back of the stereo (buried inside your dash board). So, if your stereo has such a thing, then all you need is to get a line to it that comes out the front of your dash, and build some sort of holder for your iPod itself. This would leave the screen and controls visible so you can control the iPod with its own controls. Of course, ideally, you want to power your iPod at the same time. That makes things a little more complicated...

Snowy_River
May 16, 2003, 10:23 PM
Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention...

Does anyone else find it strange that they're already talking about iPod OS v3.0? I mean v2.0 has only been released as of the new iPods. How long did 1.x last? Do we think that 2.x is going to be that much of an interim system?

rainman::|:|
May 16, 2003, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by Snowy_River
Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention...

Does anyone else find it strange that they're already talking about iPod OS v3.0? I mean v2.0 has only been released as of the new iPods. How long did 1.x last? Do we think that 2.x is going to be that much of an interim system?

you're exactly right-- since Apple doesn't track hardware revisions with model naming, in the iPods they've obviously decided to increase 1 whole version by hardware version. iPod OS 3.0 won't be around 'till the iPod gets another redesign.

personally, i doubt all of this very much, but i suppose anything's possible... it would certainly be interesting...

pnw

scem0
May 17, 2003, 02:01 AM
sounds cool :)...... and expensive :(.

Let's hope apple learns that not everyone is made of money, and will try to keep the prices extra low. ;)

Snowy_River
May 17, 2003, 03:39 AM
Originally posted by scem0
sounds cool :)...... and expensive :(.

Let's hope apple learns that not everyone is made of money, and will try to keep the prices extra low. ;)

Apple has always been a premium quality product, and their prices have reflected that. They generally leave the less expensive products to third party developers.

Personally, I'm stunned that no third party developer has made a simple, cheap IR remote for the iPod.

Freg3000
May 17, 2003, 01:22 PM
It's cool that Apple is developing one, even though I have no use for it. I am sure many will find an advanced dock useful and enjoy its "cool" factor.

tazo
May 17, 2003, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by Freg3000
It's cool that Apple is developing one, even though I have no use for it. I am sure many will find an advanced dock useful and enjoy its "cool" factor.

i guess it will be another product i cannot afford :(

MrBillGates
May 17, 2003, 05:02 PM
Well, it will be well and good if apple comes out with new "advanced" iPod docks. However, I'll be happy Apple finally starts shipping the standard dock and special firewire to dock cables!#@#! It sucks only having one dock and cable. The inability to buy these accessories right now is a load of crap.

Tequila Grandma
May 17, 2003, 08:02 PM
I personally think it'd be absolutely marvelous if Apple collaborated with one of the top car stereo producers to make a car stereo with an iPod dock. On a similar note, does anybody know if there are in fact car stereos that have a line in jack on the front?

The concept of having two models (or maybe three if they opt to keep the current dock in production) is a very good one IMO. This way people will be able to purchase whatever dock best fits with the way they use their iPod, and nobody has to waste money on features they won't use :)

Arigato,
Brook

mkaake
May 18, 2003, 01:21 AM
Originally posted by Tequila Grandma
[...] On a similar note, does anybody know if there are in fact car stereos that have a line in jack on the front? [...]

yeah, they make them. but to get line in on the front panel, you usually have to go for the headphone sized jack... no rca's on front panels. it's no biggy. messing around with car stereos really isn't all that bad - but the people who get paid to do it make it look that way, so most people are willing to pay...

the average radio can be had out of the dash in just a few minutes, if that... (even if i wasn't speaking from my own experience, there's a reason that theives are able to steal them - it doesn't take hours)...

I think an automotive version of the dock would rock, but there's no great way to do it that satisfies everyone. or even mostly everyone. unless you're putting 150-200 + into a car radio, you prolly don't have rca input jacks to begin with. Then you have to have a reliable and universal way to pull power (This really isn't a big deal, but is notable just the same). What it really comes down to though, is that if they make a mobile solution, it needs to be something that the average user can install.

matt

DGFan
May 18, 2003, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by cc bcc
You've "heard" that where?

Don't you remember the rumor here a few months ago about a device from Apple the size of 2 DVD boxes (approximately) that had a screen on the front (8"??) and an opening in the back for which the dimensions were specified. At the time someone pointed out that opening was a little too small for an iPod. The whole thing was mostly forgotten until the new (slightly smaller) iPods came out with a much more dockable design. Interesting.....

jimthorn
May 18, 2003, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by DGFan
...an opening in the back for which the dimensions were specified. At the time someone pointed out that opening was a little too small for an iPod. The whole thing was mostly forgotten until the new (slightly smaller) iPods came out with a much more dockable design. Interesting.....

I was thinking the same thing... the 106mm x 66mm "compartment opening" would fit a new iPod quite nicely.

I'm still all over the idea of a "car stereo dock" that I could snap a new iPod into.

Wombatronic
May 18, 2003, 05:01 PM
I would be so excited just to have a stereo out jack coming from the airport base station. The only thing I use my stereo for is to listen to stuff that comes from my laptop.

1. It is a pain in the arse to have a laptop wired in.
2. There is plenty of bw on 802.11[b/g] for it.
3. Seems easy to have it as an item under sytstemprefs/sound/output.

I assume they could just rip whatever decoder is in the iPod out, and put it in the basestation. Anyone know how much that part goes for?

Anyone with me on this, as opposed to whatever ridiculous over-the-top iPod integration is being dreamt up? Anything obviously wrong with it?

bigdog
May 18, 2003, 11:15 PM
I know any rumors site has to be taken with a grain of salt, but MacWhispers has a sordid history indeed.

Macintouch Report (http://www.macintouch.com/mactable.html)

Snowy_River
May 19, 2003, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by bigdog
I know any rumors site has to be taken with a grain of salt, but MacWhispers has a sordid history indeed.

Macintouch Report (http://www.macintouch.com/mactable.html)

I really wish people would stop bringing this up. MacWhispers is in its infancy. We have yet to really see what his track record will be. Yes, maybe he made a few mistakes early on, but he has admitted to them, and explained how his policies have change on more than one occasion.

I mean, honestly, they're just rumors. Give him a break and let's see what comes of it.

tcmcam
May 19, 2003, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by Tequila Grandma
I personally think it'd be absolutely marvelous if Apple collaborated with one of the top car stereo producers to make a car stereo with an iPod dock. On a similar note, does anybody know if there are in fact car stereos that have a line in jack on the front?

You should really check out www.autotoys.com. They have a bunch of adapters (made by Blitzsafe and Soundgate) that add a "Line Input" to most standard car stereo front ends. Grant you, this requires a bit of wiring but the audio benefits are huge. Especially considering the new iPod has a "Line Out" feature.

I'm using one in my Audi and the Audi simply thinks the iPod is a CD changer. Cool and sounds great.

tcmcam
May 19, 2003, 12:43 PM
I actually hope this isn't just an iPod dock. I actually see it being more of the following:

1. A black 17" wide enclosure (so that it matches your stereo components. (with a big white Apple logo on it that lights up).

2. Ethernet and Airport connections on the back (to connect to your Mac somewhere in the house). When configuring this thing, you give it your AppleID so that all your protected AAC files play on your home stereo. This unit is basically a streaming audio front end that interacts with your Mac.

3. Line Out and DIGITAL output to plug into your stereo. (Trust me, a Digital Optical or Coaxial output would make even AAC sound great. The iPod's DAC isn't that high-end.)

4. An iPod DOCK connector for two reasons. A) Play music from the iPod (when you aren't playing it by streaming from your Mac) B) a new way to copy files to your iPod. (why tie up your Mac if it's more convenient to sync from your living room).

I actually hope this thing could work without the iPod plugged in. Of course, this sounds an awful lot like a TurtleBeach AudioTron which is a wonderful home stereo MP3 player. Really, the Apple unit adds: AAC support, a new way to sync to an iPod, and hopefully a video-out so you can see visuals, album art, etc on your TV.

G4scott
Oct 15, 2003, 11:10 AM
You know, my DEH-P3500 Pioneer Reciever has a special bus on the back for conencting an auxillary in (which I use for my iPod), and a CD changer.

Well, I thought, wouldn't it be cool if I could control the iPod with the CD changer controls, through the stereo, that way I don't have to reach down to my iPod every time I wanted to change the track?

I wrote Pioneer an e-mail, but nothing came of it..

Oh well...

Heart Break Kid
Oct 15, 2003, 04:39 PM
wait

im confused

does this mean if we want to record audio to the ipod we have to have the ipod in this new dock?? does this mean i will have to take both the ipod and dock to class if i wanted to record my lectures?

oh and about the airport extreme - does this mean i can stream from the ipod to my AlBOOK and listen through the speakers hooked up the albook? i dont understand the wifi thing. some1 enlighten me please!