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Blurg
Jan 18, 2007, 02:53 AM
How did this guy get to be a CEO? "Not a very good email machine." I guess he's used one so he knows all about it :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5oGaZIKYvo&embed=1



pknz
Jan 18, 2007, 03:24 AM
What a ******* twat.

GFLPraxis
Jan 18, 2007, 03:27 AM
What a complete moron. He's scared.

"Most expensive phone on the market ever"? ...I can name ones on the market right now that cost more. HP has a PocketPC phone w/Cingular 2 year contract with a 3" touch screen, 802.11b, Bluetooth, etc, and 64 MB of storage. $579. Doesn't even compare to the $499 iPhone. And there's a $599 one too.

On top of that, the question was, what was your first reaction when Steve Jobs showed the iPhone? Ballmer starts making up that he laughed at the price. Guess what, Ballmer? Stevie didn't announce the price till the end of the show. He probably peed his pants before Steve got to the price.

Abstract
Jan 18, 2007, 04:27 AM
Pfffft, Ballmer had to change his underpants like the rest of us. Then he phoned HQ and told Redmond to "start [their] photocopiers."

And yes, I can name some phones that are in the same league in terms of price. Too bad they're not in the same league in terms of crack-a-lackin' cool.

Counterfit
Jan 18, 2007, 05:08 AM
Steve Ballmer (MS CEO) can't say anything good about any company other than Microsoft. Contrast him to Phil Schiller (Apple's head of marketing) who speaks only of Apple (and only with praise of course, he's the head of marketing).
One has class, even if you know he stretches things sometimes.
The other jumps around on a stage screaming, and starts having convulsions in support of programmers.

bozigle
Jan 18, 2007, 05:22 AM
And yes, I can name some phones that are in the same league in terms of price. Too bad they're not in the same league in terms of crack-a-lackin' cool.

true, true... direct competitors such as Nokia provided plenty of cool stuff such as video and video editing build in the phone... N-Serie. they do provide mp3/phone or internet/phone... and they are definitly in the same price range.
Now talking about the market share i don't think those high end phone make a huge part in the total volume sale.
I think the worst part of this fight is that those companies have to fight against a product that is only to be public in 5 months (10/11 for Europe).

MS don't have to worry too much about that iPhone, they won't be in the same league... in Finland we don't even find those MS phone around...

bozigle


note: MS phone are availabe here...but you really have to look to find them... wonder why

Sirin
Jan 18, 2007, 07:03 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5oGaZIKYvo&eurl=

"It doesn't appeal to business customers because it doesn't have a keyboard, which makes it not a very good email machine."

"Right now, we're selling millions and millions and millions of phones a year, Apple is selling zero phones a year."

mkrishnan
Jan 18, 2007, 07:13 AM
I wouldn't completely dismiss most of what he says. Realistically, his point is going to be a valid challenge for Apple, at least in the sense that they're selling a device that's in a traditionally "large business / IT managed" price point stratosphere, and that market *is* very conservative. I think Apple's gambit is that their feature set is going to be strong enough and easy enough to use that consumers will buy this phone at this price. But that's a question that has to be market tested. And MS has a valid point in that they have had substantial success with WM5 on phones.

With respect to the Zune comments... 20-25% of the >$249 market... has anyone substantiated that claim? I've personally yet to see someone carrying around a Zune, although I don't live in the largest Metropolis in the universe... :(

MacBoobsPro
Jan 18, 2007, 07:20 AM
Why is Steve Ballmer always hyper?

My bet is hes not getting it at home.

bartelby
Jan 18, 2007, 07:21 AM
Why is Steve Ballmer always hyper?

My bet is hes not getting it at home.

It's the M$ loyalty drugs he's given...

SMM
Jan 18, 2007, 07:23 AM
Steve has to laugh - he does not have any more hair to pull out.

Blue Velvet
Jan 18, 2007, 07:26 AM
...they're selling a device that's in a traditionally "large business / IT managed" price point stratosphere, and that market *is* very conservative.


I don't see it that way at all. This is a product that surely will be strongly marketed to media types and tecchy types associated with the business of fashion, design, music, film, TV, web etc. Much better marketing potential there must-have accessories in Vanity Fair etc.

MacBoobsPro
Jan 18, 2007, 07:28 AM
I don't see it that way at all. This is a product that surely will be strongly marketed to media types and tecchy types associated with the business of fashion, design, music, film, TV, web etc. Much better marketing potential there must-have accessories in Vanity Fair etc.

Yeh I dont see the PC Guy with an iPhone. Its going to be more creative peeps.

mkrishnan
Jan 18, 2007, 07:38 AM
I don't see it that way at all. This is a product that surely will be strongly marketed to media types and tecchy types associated with the business of fashion, design, music, film, TV, web etc. Much better marketing potential there must-have accessories in Vanity Fair etc.

I'm sorry, BV... when I said big business... what I had in my mind was Fortune 100 types of companies. That's my perspective issue, since I've never worked in larger "creative" companies. :o You're certainly right about the types of businesses you're thinking of, I think. What I meant is that Walmart, GE, Ford, VW, etc, who adopted things like the BlackBerry and Treo in droves, may be a little bit conservative in adopting something like the Apple product.

But in the entertainment / art industries, most definitely....

Blue Velvet
Jan 18, 2007, 07:45 AM
But in the entertainment / art industries, most definitely....


This is how Apple punches above its weight in terms of marketing to the consumer; creating desirable products that will essentially carve out product placements by virtue of who's using them. No fools them. After all, they're clearly going for the home and leisure space. Expect this device to turn up in hundreds of lifestyle supplements, not pushed through the specialist technical press.

Musubi
Jan 18, 2007, 07:45 AM
Steve has to laugh - he does not have any more hair to pull out.
Now he does... :D

mkrishnan
Jan 18, 2007, 07:47 AM
This is how Apple punches above its weight in terms of marketing to the consumer; creating desirable products that will essentially carve out product placements by virtue of who's using them. No fools them. After all, they're clearly going for the home and leisure space. Expect this device to turn up in hundreds of lifestyle supplements, not pushed through the specialist technical press.

Oh, I think so too. I think Apple will do very well with this. And I'm already lusting after one... :o

boss1
Jan 18, 2007, 07:54 AM
Dismissing most of what was said. He's with MS both physically and financially. His opinions mean as much as the the used car salesman touting the performance of a 1989 V4 lemon in the lot.



I find it ridiculous how a lot of individuals and news sites with reviews of the iPhone have already made up their minds that typing on the iPhone QWERTY keyboard is far worst than those phones with tactile keyboards; and they haven't even touched the phone!


I do notice however that seems to be the targeting point of every major competitor that has commented on the iPhone; the keyboard. It seems most of them have picked their technical and marketing battleground so to speak (the iPhone keyboard).


I hope Apple puts additional attention and resources into making sure the keyboard works remarkably well for this reason.

Chundles
Jan 18, 2007, 08:41 AM
Good. I'm really glad he's laughing at the iPhone.

Things he's also dismissed:

- The iPod/iTunes
- Google
- Open Source Software

Getting a pattern here? :D

The man's a bloody class-less gorilla with no real clue.

Swarmlord
Jan 18, 2007, 08:53 AM
Good. I'm really glad he's laughing at the iPhone.

Things he's also dismissed:

- The iPod/iTunes
- Google
- Open Source Software

Getting a pattern here? :D

The man's a bloody class-less gorilla with no real clue.

Oh, so you've seen the "monkey boy" video from a few years back with him bounding all over the stage screaming too! Lol.

I guess he won't mind us chuckling a bit when Vista and Office sales aren't exactly the cash cows he think they will be. Where I live the statewide medical center, the university system and both major insurance companies here have an official "wait and see" attitude towards both products after the new Internet Exploder release screwed up our SAP and Internet based applications.

clevin
Jan 18, 2007, 08:58 AM
What a complete moron. He's scared.

"Most expensive phone on the market ever"? ...I can name ones on the market right now that cost more. HP has a PocketPC phone w/Cingular 2 year contract with a 3" touch screen, 802.11b, Bluetooth, etc, and 64 MB of storage. $579. Doesn't even compare to the $499 iPhone. And there's a $599 one too.

On top of that, the question was, what was your first reaction when Steve Jobs showed the iPhone? Ballmer starts making up that he laughed at the price. Guess what, Ballmer? Stevie didn't announce the price till the end of the show. He probably peed his pants before Steve got to the price.

why would he be scared? M$ doesn't make smartphone, does it?

as your $579 HP PDA-phone? I didn't see them on cingular's website, actually, the most expensive smartphone i found at cingular.com is $399? do u have a link?

finally, first impression really doesn't matter when come to make a payment.

edit, oh yeah, I found ur $579 HP smartphone on hp's website, altho it has build-in GPS and play WMV, i would think they will lower the price soon. thats the beauty of competition.

scan
Jan 18, 2007, 09:38 AM
wowowow. Does this guy truly believe the words that comes out of his mouth? 20-25% market share with the Zune?! Can someone please tell me if anyone they know or seen own one of these things? I'm not trying to be an Apple fanatic but I, seriously, haven't seen or know of anyone that has one.

clevin
Jan 18, 2007, 09:50 AM
wowowow. Does this guy truly believe the words that comes out of his mouth? 20-25% market share with the Zune?! Can someone please tell me if anyone they know or seen own one of these things? I'm not trying to be an Apple fanatic but I, seriously, haven't seen or know of anyone that has one.

are we again switching topic to zune?

AvSRoCkCO1067
Jan 18, 2007, 09:55 AM
wowowow. Does this guy truly believe the words that comes out of his mouth? 20-25% market share with the Zune?! Can someone please tell me if anyone they know or seen own one of these things? I'm not trying to be an Apple fanatic but I, seriously, haven't seen or know of anyone that has one.

It looks like, for the last quarter, Zune had 10.2% share of the HARD DRIVE market - not of the OVERALL market, and ONLY during this quarter (so this statistic doesn't include iPods sold before October...)

http://www.windowsitpro.com/windowspaulthurrott/Article/ArticleID/94892/windowspaulthurrott_94892.html

uNext
Jan 18, 2007, 10:53 AM
My conclusion after reading this post.

Many people completely disregard the valid points this freak of nature desploys. Some of you focused so much on the fact that he was spewing negative slurs towards the iPhone, that i am starting to believe apples future consist of having a bunch of immature individuals that lack the ability to
put fact and like in a separate dpt.

Fact-the iPhone lacks many important features.
Like-no matter what people will LIKE the iPhone because is cool completely disregarding its abilitys.

matthew24
Jan 18, 2007, 11:21 AM
'Fact-the iPhone lacks many important features.'

OK, tell me what important feature does the iPhone lack?

IJ Reilly
Jan 18, 2007, 11:24 AM
'Fact-the iPhone lacks many important features.'

OK, tell me what important feature does the iPhone lack?

A Microsoft logo.

You silly person. ;)

bartelby
Jan 18, 2007, 11:26 AM
A Microsoft logo.

You silly person. ;)


And Window's Mobile!!

clevin
Jan 18, 2007, 11:27 AM
'Fact-the iPhone lacks many important features.'

OK, tell me what important feature does the iPhone lack?

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=270858

altho nobody really knows if it will have those.

clevin
Jan 18, 2007, 11:28 AM
My conclusion after reading this post.

Many people completely disregard the valid points this freak of nature desploys. Some of you focused so much on the fact that he was spewing negative slurs towards the iPhone, that i am starting to believe apples future consist of having a bunch of immature individuals that lack the ability to
put fact and like in a separate dpt.

Fact-the iPhone lacks many important features.
Like-no matter what people will LIKE the iPhone because is cool completely disregarding its abilitys.

its called "fan"

shrimpdesign
Jan 18, 2007, 11:42 AM
Fact-the iPhone lacks many important features.
Like-no matter what people will LIKE the iPhone because is cool completely disregarding its abilitys.
Like what?

Anyways, the real reasons we're all making of of him is because he doesn't understand the iPhone. It's been shown in the past with the iPod that peopel will pay more for a device that works well, even with less fuctionality.

Steve Balmer says it's expensive. Oh, thanks for pointing that out Steve! We didn't know that before. He goes on to say that it won't be sucessful in business. NO *****! It's not for businesses, it's for normal people who don't like over-complicataed "smartphones."

So Steve Balmer is looking at the iPhone wrong, so I bet a lot of Mac users are just dismissing what he said as foolish words (which they are)

technocoy
Jan 18, 2007, 11:46 AM
released two phones: the P800 and the P900 both were in the 800-900 dollar range when released. Had they been subsidized y a carrier I bet they would have been as expensive or more-so. There are plenty of expensive phones out there, they just aren't as high profile as the iPhone.

http://shopwireless.sonyericsson.com/buy/products/cat/1002/product/280271

http://shopwireless.sonyericsson.com/buy/products/cat/1002/product/280405

http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/N93/0,7747,,00.html ($699.00)

just for a few...

balamw
Jan 18, 2007, 12:08 PM
why would he be scared? M$ doesn't make smartphone, does it?
A good size chunk of smartphones out there are based on Windows Mobile. The others are Palm, Blackberry, Symbian or Linux based.

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IJ Reilly
Jan 18, 2007, 12:14 PM
A good size chunk of smartphones out there are based on Windows Mobile.

Doesn't that make the term "smart phone" an oxymoron?

Sesshi
Jan 18, 2007, 12:17 PM
He's probably M$'s single biggest liability. He gets up everyone's noses.

Doesn't that make the term "smart phone" an oxymoron?

Well... they are smarter for business use than what iPhone offers.

IJ Reilly
Jan 18, 2007, 12:25 PM
Well... they are smarter for business use than what iPhone offers.

I suppose that depends on your definition of "smart." ;)

balamw
Jan 18, 2007, 12:27 PM
Well... they are smarter for business use than what iPhone offers.
Odd. No one I know who has a WM smartphone actually likes using them. Those who have Blackberrys or Symbian phones do.

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clevin
Jan 18, 2007, 01:22 PM
A good size chunk of smartphones out there are based on Windows Mobile. The others are Palm, Blackberry, Symbian or Linux based.

B

well, for M$ WinCE is like ........ such a small stuff.
and M$ doesn't sell phones, just like M$ doesn't sell windows based computers, if you think thats a comparable situation.

still, i don't see why M$ should be scared. 15% smartphone OS market share isn't something they really scared about.

uNext
Jan 18, 2007, 01:36 PM
'Fact-the iPhone lacks many important features.'

OK, tell me what important feature does the iPhone lack?


O.k have you been looking pass how cool this phone is?

Have you been reading the all the missing features this phone will have and for the price their asking for?

the lack of 3rd party support is not major to you?

charge 600 bucks + for a phone that have a camera but no video recording feature? My slvr have this feature for christ sake.

If they are going to claim all in one why not actually make it that.

Make me buy a phone where if i pay premium i want all the features that are on the market. If you are going to claimn "the only device you need" make it to where it is the only device i need-photos,music & videos are a nice but really is it tha timportant on a phone? whatever happened t other cell phone features? why dont they reinvent features instead of claiming innovation and is a complete knockoff of another product.

Macgirl87
Jan 18, 2007, 01:41 PM
Oh, I think so too. I think Apple will do very well with this. And I'm already lusting after one... :o

Likewise. Anything apple will sell these days.

Eraserhead
Jan 18, 2007, 01:50 PM
the lack of 3rd party support is not major to you?

I think if widgets aren't supported it will be a shame, we don't know if applications have to be apple verified, it may be like that to reduce the risk for Cingular as this is pretty revolutionary, this makes sense as business is ALL about minimising risk.

charge 600 bucks + for a phone that have a camera but no video recording feature? My slvr have this feature for christ sake.

There are two reasons I can think of for video conferencing, 1) Having a private chat with your girlfriend, 2) For business. You aren't ever going to want to have a video chat walking down the street, and in most situations you will be able to use a laptop instead.

The revolutionary features are also in things like Texting, storing them like an IM chat is genius (well AFAIK no-one else has done it yet).

BoyBach
Jan 18, 2007, 02:05 PM
Poor Ballmer. He comes across as such a charmless man.

Surely a company with as many members of staff and with so much money can find somebody who has more charisma, personality and 'likeability' who can do these interviews?

Mord
Jan 18, 2007, 02:11 PM
Personally I think the iphone is going to do great, a lot of people hate using mobile phones as for many it's just a batter to use the thing, I want a phone which I wont resent having to use and i'm willing to pay a pretty penny to have that stress taken out of my life.

The iphone caters to the sidekick market which they will expand greatly, the 16-30 age bracket who want something that just works and can do a little more than your standard phone.

skunk
Jan 18, 2007, 02:15 PM
the iphone caters to the sidekick market which they will expand greatly, the 16-30 agre bracket who want something that just works.I hope you won't mind if the occasional 31-55 year-old crashes your party.

MacNut
Jan 18, 2007, 02:23 PM
Ballmer looks like the kind of person who would eat a baby.

Mord
Jan 18, 2007, 02:27 PM
I hope you won't mind if the occasional 31-55 year-old crashes your party.

I edited that typo damn fast, how the hell did you catch it, I even saw it a split second after I hit post and thought "drat".

:mad:


And what've you got against 55+ year olds exactly? My father said he'd put one on pre order as soon as he can.

phillipjfry
Jan 18, 2007, 02:54 PM
Ballmer looks like the kind of person who would eat a baby.

He has before, I seen it on YouTube once.... :)

Ballmer has to downplay anything that poses a threat to M$ profits/market
(eg. windows mobile)

Apple has been talked about in the media so much that Ballmer and the like had/have to do something to get some focus on their upcoming OS attempt

This kind of garbage is to be expected as well as any kind of classless FUD'ing from M$

Twenty1
Jan 18, 2007, 02:55 PM
I swear this has been said, but Apple isn't marketing this to business customers!!!!

There are a lot of average consumers who look at "smartphones" and think, "I like the idea of being on the net, looking at pictures, emailing, etc; but what's a Blackberry???" Smartphones not only look intimidating and have features that are hard to use.

The iPhone is being targeted toward the same market as Samsung's Blackjack. If you've noticed their marketing, it's all about the fun stuff you can do with it and not that your business can contact you at 2am in Hong Kong.

The iPhone certainly isn't for everyone and the price will keep it as a premium product. Even still, I think we'll be shocked at the amount of people who will spring for the phone once they have it in their hand and try it out.

MacCurry
Jan 18, 2007, 02:55 PM
At the end Ballmer points out something very interesting. He says that in the upper end of the MP3 player market. Units at $249 and above, the Zune has 20% of market share. Either he is lying or MS has forced all of its employees & affliates around the world to buy the Zune.

Sesshi
Jan 18, 2007, 03:24 PM
I suppose that depends on your definition of "smart." ;)

Lack of real push functionality and compatibility with enterprise servers are big minuses for starters. I hope they get some agreements worked out for the launch, because that would be a deal-killer for many business people.

Toy email-only push is however perhaps more than enough for a a student or a designer type who has little concept of what real business use of a 'smart' phone involves ;)

I have 3 handsets on the go usually, but only two actually need to be 'smart'. The iPhone in it's current state would be a good third phone for googling / streetmapping better without cranking up the laptop, browsing MacRumors with and replacing the Nano all wrapped up in the nicest way to do this sort of thing to date - which would be sufficient justification for me, but perhaps not others.

To really rise above the hype, I think they need to talk turkey with more people who provide the pieces of the puzzle that makes up an actual 'smart' phone these days, or finish the job themselves.

Ballmer looks like the kind of person who would eat a baby.

Disturbingly accurate...

IJ Reilly
Jan 18, 2007, 03:26 PM
At the end Ballmer points out something very interesting. He says that in the upper end of the MP3 player market. Units at $249 and above, the Zune has 20% of market share. Either he is lying or MS has forced all of its employees & affliates around the world to buy the Zune.

I think he probably meant that the Zune has a 20% market share of all music players priced at $249.

weg
Jan 18, 2007, 03:59 PM
I guess he won't mind us chuckling a bit when Vista and Office sales aren't exactly the cash cows he think they will be.

He won't have to. This won't happen.

sam10685
Jan 18, 2007, 04:06 PM
What a complete moron. He's scared.

"Most expensive phone on the market ever"? ...I can name ones on the market right now that cost more. HP has a PocketPC phone w/Cingular 2 year contract with a 3" touch screen, 802.11b, Bluetooth, etc, and 64 MB of storage. $579. Doesn't even compare to the $499 iPhone. And there's a $599 one too.

On top of that, the question was, what was your first reaction when Steve Jobs showed the iPhone? Ballmer starts making up that he laughed at the price. Guess what, Ballmer? Stevie didn't announce the price till the end of the show. He probably peed his pants before Steve got to the price.

he's terrified. "microsoft sells millions of phones and apple sells none." apple isn't even in the market yet. try to think of a better defensive come back ballmer.

CmdrLaForge
Jan 18, 2007, 04:44 PM
What I am really wondering is why this guy doesn't seem to be self confident at all. At least I get this impression from Ballmer how he is reacting on the questions. I think this is a little bit strange because he is leading the biggest Software company in the world and he could be much more self confident about himself and the company he is working for.

jellybean
Jan 18, 2007, 04:59 PM
This comment from Ballmer (http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/04/03/8373041/index.htm)from CNN made me grin:

Think you can you crack the iPod market?

It's going to take an innovative proposition. In five years are people really going to carry two devices? One device that is their communication device, one device that is music? There's going to be a lot of opportunities to get back in that game. We want to be in that game. Expect to see announcements from us in that area in the next 12 months.

From the April 3, 2006 issue


Apple seem to have outdone them already!

weg
Jan 18, 2007, 05:02 PM
Doesn't that make the term "smart phone" an oxymoron?

Depends on who uses it. Considering that a lot of people that post in this forum seem to be willing to buy an iPhone just because of its Apple logo, no matter whether important features are lacking (replacable battery, for example) or not, I guess the iPhone is definitely a phone that's smarter than some of its users... at least I haven't met any Windows Mobile users that bought their phone for the sole reason that it shows a Microsoft logo on startup...

thedude110
Jan 18, 2007, 05:15 PM
Hard to be credible complaining about a $500 phone when you're wearing such an overpriced shirt.

pseudobrit
Jan 18, 2007, 05:27 PM
This is how Apple survives the business world mediocrity that Microsoft represents and feeds on.

Microsoft is used because it's the safest choice. It's not the best, but it doesn't have to be because the fear-driven operatives in most businesses will stick with it.

Microsoft sucks from the teat of business ignorance and cowardice, and it's a feast.

Apple since the Macintosh has always represented boldness. They drag the market kicking and screaming into areas it's not yet ready for too pricey, too new, too niche.

They don't give business the products it wants, and they don't deliver the products their user base demands.

Apple will give you the product you need at a price that makes them enough money. Then we will complain because it's not what we asked for and it costs too much. Then we will buy it (because we do need it) and love it and wonder how it could ever have not been thus.

This is the Macintosh Way, and it's why the iPhone is ****ing genius no matter the price.

Businesses don't need to buy the iPhone. It's not for them anyway. They'll do what they usually do and choose something safe and cheap and well known that's less functional, ugly, non-intuitive and will need to be replaced in a year. Because no one ever gets fired for being boring and doing what everyone else is doing. The herd protects them.

We will buy it because we take risks to get our hands on greatness. We leave the safety of the group, we ignore caution and strive for better stuff.
We don't settle for boring, ugly, sloppy interfaces and throwaway commodity technology.
We will buy the iPhone. Because it's more than just another phone, and we know it, and we need that.

IJ Reilly
Jan 18, 2007, 05:43 PM
Depends on who uses it. Considering that a lot of people that post in this forum seem to be willing to buy an iPhone just because of its Apple logo, no matter whether important features are lacking (replacable battery, for example) or not, I guess the iPhone is definitely a phone that's smarter than some of its users... at least I haven't met any Windows Mobile users that bought their phone for the sole reason that it shows a Microsoft logo on startup...

Now that's a bunch of assumptions. If anybody is planning on buying the iPhone "just because of its Apple logo," then I haven't heard them say so. Volunteers, anyone? As for "important features," last I checked, that is something decided by individual users.

donniedarko
Jan 18, 2007, 05:45 PM
Hard to be credible complaining about a $500 phone when you're wearing such an overpriced shirt.

Classic-

This guy is such a tit. I worked in the snowboard industry, as a product designer.

I was privy to some crazy demographic info, and as I worked in a Intl capacity it is very eye opening. Blew my mind kind of.

Apple is slowly laying a foundation of being a lifestyle product that will have people migrating generationally into their hardware, and software. As Apple goes more toward a digital convergence (Wait- kind of like what Gates said a couple years ago at CES???! But never produced). Jobs beat him too it, with the 'iTV' module showed in 06.

This generation that is sopping up iPods etc... will also make it to the workplace. And just like me I was afforded a choice. I have money. I had expenditure budgets for computers. I also have a free mind, and everytime I end up Mac.

Apple might never own the world of spreadsheets... but that is why I have to cough up money to spend on ****** M$ Office, which does work very well. You could just see how hard he hates Apple... funny stuff.

gnasher729
Jan 18, 2007, 06:15 PM
With respect to the Zune comments... 20-25% of the >$249 market... has anyone substantiated that claim? I've personally yet to see someone carrying around a Zune, although I don't live in the largest Metropolis in the universe... :(

Absolutely untrue. Nobody is willing to pay $249 or more for a Zune. On Amazon, its price is hidden until you specifically request it - according to Amazon that's what companies do when they don't want to make it obvious that their product can't be sold at full price.

dllavaneras
Jan 18, 2007, 06:16 PM
He's probably mad that no apps will be made by 3rd party developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers...

gnasher729
Jan 18, 2007, 06:20 PM
At the end Ballmer points out something very interesting. He says that in the upper end of the MP3 player market. Units at $249 and above, the Zune has 20% of market share. Either he is lying or MS has forced all of its employees & affliates around the world to buy the Zune.

He was looking on eBay in the "unwanted presents" category.

Sesshi
Jan 18, 2007, 06:24 PM
This is how Apple survives the business world mediocrity that Microsoft represents and feeds on.

Microsoft is used because it's the safest choice. It's not the best, but it doesn't have to be because the fear-driven operatives in most businesses will stick with it.

Microsoft sucks from the teat of business ignorance and cowardice, and it's a feast.

Apple – since the Macintosh – has always represented boldness. They drag the market kicking and screaming into areas it's not yet ready for – too pricey, too new, too niche.

They don't give business the products it wants, and they don't deliver the products their user base demands.

Apple will give you the product you need at a price that makes them enough money. Then we will complain because it's not what we asked for and it costs too much. Then we will buy it (because we do need it) and love it and wonder how it could ever have not been thus.

This is the Macintosh Way, and it's why the iPhone is ****ing genius no matter the price.

Businesses don't need to buy the iPhone. It's not for them anyway. They'll do what they usually do and choose something safe and cheap and well known that's less functional, ugly, non-intuitive and will need to be replaced in a year. Because no one ever gets fired for being boring and doing what everyone else is doing. The herd protects them.

We will buy it because we take risks to get our hands on greatness. We leave the safety of the group, we ignore caution and strive for better stuff.
We don't settle for boring, ugly, sloppy interfaces and throwaway commodity technology.
We will buy the iPhone. Because it's more than just another phone, and we know it, and we need that.

Ah Jesus, I don't expect to stumble across comedy gold in a fairly dour thread like this.

Bwahahahaha! :D

IJ Reilly
Jan 18, 2007, 06:26 PM
Absolutely untrue. Nobody is willing to pay $249 or more for a Zune. On Amazon, its price is hidden until you specifically request it - according to Amazon that's what companies do when they don't want to make it obvious that their product can't be sold at full price.

No, it's what companies do when they don't want anyone advertising a price lower than the "MAP" (minimum advertised price), which is usually very close to MSRP. Apple does this too.

ChrisA
Jan 18, 2007, 06:32 PM
Why do people keep saying the iPhone is expensive? $500 is not a big deal. The "Big Deal" is when you sign a two year contract to pay $50 a month. That contract costs you $1,200. I think people with these kinds of phone already pay more than $50/month.

Cingular is getting far more cash out of the iPhone than Apple.

pseudobrit
Jan 18, 2007, 06:39 PM
Ah Jesus, I don't expect to stumble across comedy gold in a fairly dour thread like this.

Bwahahahaha! :D

Shouldn't you be buying some boring, ugly Dells for something?

savanahrose
Jan 18, 2007, 06:55 PM
What a complete moron. He's scared.

"Most expensive phone on the market ever"? ...I can name ones on the market right now that cost more. HP has a PocketPC phone w/Cingular 2 year contract with a 3" touch screen, 802.11b, Bluetooth, etc, and 64 MB of storage. $579. Doesn't even compare to the $499 iPhone. And there's a $599 one too.

On top of that, the question was, what was your first reaction when Steve Jobs showed the iPhone? Ballmer starts making up that he laughed at the price. Guess what, Ballmer? Stevie didn't announce the price till the end of the show. He probably peed his pants before Steve got to the price.

http://macnewsworld.com/story/A0Pueh663FlKC6/LGs-New-Prada-Phone---Not-an-iPhone.xhtml


LG's new phone, priced at 600 euros (US$777), is scheduled to go on sale in late February in Britain, France, Germany and Italy. Then it will be sold in Asia. No mention was made of plans for a United States rollout.

I also read today that the iphone have at least a 50% profit on them and that they should lower the price AFTER they first come out.

So I wouldn't rush out and be the first one to buy one. It said they might be able to lower the price to just under $300.00

Sesshi
Jan 18, 2007, 07:01 PM
Shouldn't you be buying some boring, ugly Dells for something?

No... I can't reply to that :D I'd seriously upset your 'armour of JRDF' ;)

trellus
Jan 18, 2007, 07:09 PM
The revolutionary features are also in things like Texting, storing them like an IM chat is genius (well AFAIK no-one else has done it yet).

My Treo 650 does that -- I've had it since February 2005.

monke
Jan 18, 2007, 08:59 PM
Wow, just like his shoutin' presentation video, he's sweating like a pig. Except this time the camera guy realized this and kept it a continuous face shot. :D

He's scared, you can sense it.


He talks about how the iPhone is overpriced, than goes to say how the Zune is priced at the higher end of the market, but they expect it to do well. Smart. :rolleyes:


I also love the way he constantly overuses the word 'innovation'. :)

MacsomJRR
Jan 18, 2007, 09:03 PM
Ballmer is just mad because with his sweaty hands he's afraid he'll drop the darn thing all the time... cue the sweat stained DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! video.

aricher
Jan 18, 2007, 09:22 PM
Have you seen what passes for Windows Mobile these days?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/46/152656214_b8d3d71d31.jpg

compuwar
Jan 18, 2007, 11:14 PM
'Fact-the iPhone lacks many important features.'

OK, tell me what important feature does the iPhone lack?

VoIP over 802.11, which has me looking harder at the Nokia N80i.

holamiamigos
Jan 18, 2007, 11:34 PM
hmm is the iphone gonna fail?? when was there ever this much hype about a cell phone(/computer/ipod) o and i already know about 10 people who are going to get one

jhedges3
Jan 18, 2007, 11:55 PM
My conclusion after reading this post.

Many people completely disregard the valid points this freak of nature desploys. Some of you focused so much on the fact that he was spewing negative slurs towards the iPhone, that i am starting to believe apples future consist of having a bunch of immature individuals that lack the ability to
put fact and like in a separate dpt.

Fact-the iPhone lacks many important features.
Like-no matter what people will LIKE the iPhone because is cool completely disregarding its abilitys.

O.k have you been looking pass how cool this phone is?

Have you been reading the all the missing features this phone will have and for the price their asking for?

the lack of 3rd party support is not major to you?

charge 600 bucks + for a phone that have a camera but no video recording feature? My slvr have this feature for christ sake.

If they are going to claim all in one why not actually make it that.

Make me buy a phone where if i pay premium i want all the features that are on the market. If you are going to claimn "the only device you need" make it to where it is the only device i need-photos,music & videos are a nice but really is it tha timportant on a phone? whatever happened t other cell phone features? why dont they reinvent features instead of claiming innovation and is a complete knockoff of another product.

To the extent that I can discern whatever it is you mean, I disagree with you.

My impression has been that the majority of MR users responded to the claims that Ballmer made. For example, some responded to his claim that the iPhone is, or will be, the most expensive phone on the market. Others responded to his claim that it will not appeal to business customers because it lacks a keyboard. Others responded to his claims about Zune’s market share.

This all seems like a fair and mature discussion to me.

What’s strange is that, as best I can recall, Ballmer did not remind us that the iPhone lacks important features, which you suggest is a fact. And it seems like almost nobody responded, or attempted to refute, that point, probably because it wasn’t made. In any case, it seems MR regulars would know just as much as anyone about the limitations of the iPhone, which they’ve discussed in post after post.

I’m also not sure what you mean when you say “because is cool completely disregarding its abilitys.” If you intended to criticize MR users I think you meant to say because you think the iPhone is cool you disregard its lack of features or functionality. But even if you’d said that it wouldn’t seem true. The majority of posts that I’ve read on MR are of those who are simultaneously aware of its coolness, who know as well as anyone else about its limitations, and who are assessing whether they would like to have one, all things considered, for the price.

I also don’t think it’s fair to point to a single feature that your SLVR has that the iPhone won't. I’m sure there is functionality that the iPhone will have that your SLVR doesn’t.

I’m also not sure that Apple (whom you call they) said that it’s all in one. My impression from their marketing was that it’s three devices in one: a widescreen iPod, a revolutionary phone, and a breakthrough Internet device.

I also feel that you don’t get it when you demand that Apple give you a phone with all of the features on the market. Do you really feel it's possible, from a hardware standpoint, to make such a device? And who is it that defines what all of these features are? And why would you want all of them in one device if it made the device overly complicated? And would such a device actually make any sense in terms of something that’s being sold? If there are no other devices that have the functionality the iPhone will have as we know of it now, why should Apple go further to make one that has everything? What if everything, in their estimates, means too much cost in production for not enough demand? Sounds like something a profit making enterprise would not want to make.

I’ve generally had no interest in criticizing other’s for the esthetics of their posts. I’ve assumed that my posts are no better than any one else’s in that way. After all, MR seems like a rather casual discussion, like we were all just talking to each other in person. But your posts repeatedly possess an overall level of shabbiness that is greater than those of most other users. It’s as if you couldn’t be bothered to check anything you say for spelling and grammar.

Without being anymore punctilious and inflammatory than I already have, here are a few examples: fragment “My conclusion after reading this post.”; spelling “tha timportant” “christ sake” “claimn” “desploys” “abilitys” “O.k” “price their asking for” “t other cell phone” “why dont they reinvent”; capitalization “the lack of 3rd party” “if i pay premium i want” “only device i need” “whatever happened.” You get the idea and I haven’t begun hightling the points at which your saying things differently would have made it easier for anyone reading them to know what it is you wanted them to know.

Supa_Fly
Jan 19, 2007, 01:39 AM
I hate to say this but I personally want the MS Windows Mobile Smartphone device myself much more than the iPhone. And many ppl outside of the IT Office - end users/consumers - outside of the US as well.

> WM PPC-PE/SMartphone devices are picking up great traction in Europe with providers like Vodafone, Orange, o2 etc. Not because of Microsoft themselves but because of their smarphone saviour HTC! They've even stole some market share from Symbian - even with SE's UIQ3 based devices & Nokia's S60.

I still think the iPhone is incredible and I KNEW it would resemble a prototype for Synaptics MANY MANY months ago - I posted it here on Macrumors first I believe. Wondering if technology patents will have issues between the two though.

I DO think that Office 2008 will have a HUGE cash cow impact for MS BOTH on Windows XP/Vista & Mac OS X. If you haven't used it yet, you'll be amazed by far the best Office Suite ever.

Vista ... nah they'll be a loss for another 2 years unless Mac Intel product users begin purchasing licenses.

redAPPLE
Jan 19, 2007, 01:55 AM
It's the M$ loyalty drugs he's given...

in my part of the world, it is called, money.

redAPPLE
Jan 19, 2007, 02:58 AM
So I wouldn't rush out and be the first one to buy one. It said they might be able to lower the price to just under $300.00

yeah, that is when the 3G version would come :-P

babyj
Jan 19, 2007, 06:48 AM
I DO think that Office 2008 will have a HUGE cash cow impact for MS BOTH on Windows XP/Vista & Mac OS X. If you haven't used it yet, you'll be amazed by far the best Office Suite ever.

Vista ... nah they'll be a loss for another 2 years unless Mac Intel product users begin purchasing licenses.

I've read plenty of articles which reckon Microsoft will have big problems selling Office and Vista in the volumes they want.

Office could do 99% of what 99% of people wanted a few versions ago. My copy of Office 2000 still does everything I want and more, never seen anything else to make upgrading worth the money - though I switched to Open Office some time ago. Add the two together (lack of must have features and Open Office) and sales are never going to be what they were for previous versions.

Vista will have similar problems - XP is very stable and again does pretty much everything you want. So why upgrade? This is especially the case for the big corporate users, most of whom are unlikely to upgrade any time soon.

Obviously they will still sell lots of copies of both, but its getting harder and harder for them all the time.

AndyR
Jan 19, 2007, 07:12 AM
wowowow. Does this guy truly believe the words that comes out of his mouth? 20-25% market share with the Zune?! Can someone please tell me if anyone they know or seen own one of these things? I'm not trying to be an Apple fanatic but I, seriously, haven't seen or know of anyone that has one.

I went to Autosport International show last week (worlds biggest motorsport show) and there was a stand there by Stuff which is one of the biggest "gadget" mags in the UK. They have 3x PS3s for you to play with and loads of gadgets on display.

I went over and noticed a brown zune in the case, took one look and smiled. The misses took one look and went "it looks like a piece of *****!" at which point the three fellas behind the counter burst out laughing and they started showing, "who wants a zune, 2.50???? Buy anything and we'll give you a Zune!"

Obviously I wasn't the only one that knew about this because a LOT of people started laughing as well :D

Nicolasdec
Jan 21, 2007, 10:40 AM
hes so stupid. he was in a meating and he cept shouting microsoft. hes sad 2 operations on his vocal cords. i will be laughting when M$ is bankrupt and he dosent have a job. haha

dllavaneras
Jan 21, 2007, 10:51 AM
I went over and noticed a brown zune in the case, took one look and smiled. The misses took one look and went "it looks like a piece of *****!" at which point the three fellas behind the counter burst out laughing and they started showing, "who wants a zune, 2.50???? Buy anything and we'll give you a Zune!"

:D Priceless!!

Cybergypsy
Jan 21, 2007, 10:58 AM
:) :) :) LOL.......:apple: forever...

Allstermac
Jan 31, 2007, 10:10 PM
Ran across this in a car forum of all places?? Anyway some humor, mostly stupid.... thought I would share just the same

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGXwtkXOjZw&NR

redmeister
Feb 1, 2007, 12:31 AM
haha yea i saw that colbert clip on another forum as well... good stuff hah

Cinch
Feb 1, 2007, 12:43 AM
I don't see it that way at all. This is a product that surely will be strongly marketed to media types and tecchy types associated with the business of fashion, design, music, film, TV, web etc. Much better marketing potential there — must-have accessories in Vanity Fair etc.

I totally agree, and I would extend the appeal of the iPhone further to those who don't think twice about spending say $250 for a pair of jeans. People who appreciate aesthestics and style will find the iPhone appealing.

I think they should up the price of the iPhone say $750 and $850 respectively. The cellphone is the new designer watch! It is the new fashion and status symbol.

Why would you want to market the iPhone to middle age businessmen with receding hairlines and who wears tapered khakis pants with belt that desparately tries to support their expanding waistline?:D

Cinch

bloodycape
Feb 1, 2007, 01:40 AM
'Fact-the iPhone lacks many important features.'

OK, tell me what important feature does the iPhone lack?

A removable battery like 95% of cellphone in the market have and 3G(more important to a business user or a person who uses the net alot).

wmmk
Feb 1, 2007, 03:43 PM
I laugh whenever I hear that man say the words "ninety nine dollars"...

"what's the expression, let's see how the competition goes" last time i checked, that's not exactly a common expression

xUKHCx
Feb 1, 2007, 03:46 PM
A removable battery like 95% of cellphone in the market have and 3G(more important to a business user or a person who uses the net alot).

I never remove the battery from my phone, but i like to know that i can. 3G is a must really, in the UK i get pretty much full 3G coverage almost everywhere i go. I video call my friends in Birmingham, my girlfriend in Bath.

It needs a camera on the front and a better * camera on the back.

I havnet tried the 2Mp camera on the iPhone but my 3.2MP on my K800i is the best camera i have seen on any of my friends phones.

One Major feature that has made me not buy a phone is the lack of a Torch function, use it all the time.

wootman
Feb 2, 2007, 02:26 PM
How did this guy get to be a CEO? "Not a very good email machine." I guess he's used one so he knows all about it :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5oGaZIKYvo&embed=1
he is really is crazy. check out these youtube links.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW8tf2_SQAs
this is pretty funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q42D_qVLUA
also this is a good story of what happened between microsoft and apple.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im589uTchKs&mode=related&search=
steve balmer dance remix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_AP3SGMxxM&NR
vista crapping out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y_Jp6PxsSQ
trust me, there all awesome.

Swarmlord
Feb 2, 2007, 02:32 PM
hes so stupid. he was in a meating and he cept shouting microsoft. hes sad 2 operations on his vocal cords. i will be laughting when M$ is bankrupt and he dosent have a job. haha

Unfortunately, too late for that. The guy could quit tomorrow and live like a king without working another day in his life. He's there for his ego and for the control, not for the money.

monke
Feb 2, 2007, 02:37 PM
Ballmer's only trying to get revenger at when we all laughed at his Zune.

We'll all laugh again when the Zune phone comes out. :D

Zellio
Jun 8, 2013, 05:27 PM
A couple of days before the Iphone 5s is shown, I'm sorry but I must bump this 6 year topic.

Right now, I currently like android better (Although the ipad/iphones designs are still better, but ios is aging at this point). With that said, I owned the 3g, 4, and 4s.

So, how correct was Ballmer?

1. Businesses won't buy the iphone because it doesn't have a keyboard.
2. The iphone is not a very good email machine.
3. Ballmer would rather have their 50-60% market share.
4. Iphone won't gain any real market share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U

Paddle1
Jun 8, 2013, 05:42 PM
A couple of days before the Iphone 5s is shown, I'm sorry but I must bump this 6 year topic.

Right now, I currently like android better (Although the ipad/iphones designs are still better, but ios is aging at this point). With that said, I owned the 3g, 4, and 4s.

So, how correct was Ballmer?

1. Businesses won't buy the iphone because it doesn't have a keyboard.
2. The iphone is not a very good email machine.
3. Ballmer would rather have their 50-60% market share.
4. Iphone won't gain any real market share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U

1. The iPhone 5S will not be shown in a few days.
2. Please don't bump really old threads!

cynics
Jun 8, 2013, 05:48 PM
I read 50% of this thread without looking at the date. That was about the time I said, what the hell are these people talking about?!?

chrf097
Jun 8, 2013, 06:27 PM
A couple of days before the Iphone 5s is shown, I'm sorry but I must bump this 6 year topic.

Right now, I currently like android better (Although the ipad/iphones designs are still better, but ios is aging at this point). With that said, I owned the 3g, 4, and 4s.

So, how correct was Ballmer?

1. Businesses won't buy the iphone because it doesn't have a keyboard.
2. The iphone is not a very good email machine.
3. Ballmer would rather have their 50-60% market share.
4. Iphone won't gain any real market share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U

1) Wrong. Most popular phones for business.
2) Wrong.
3) Sucks for him because he has <1% of the market
4) So, so wrong.

Jades
Jun 8, 2013, 06:41 PM
A couple of days before the Iphone 5s is shown, I'm sorry but I must bump this 6 year topic.

Right now, I currently like android better (Although the ipad/iphones designs are still better, but ios is aging at this point). With that said, I owned the 3g, 4, and 4s.

So, how correct was Ballmer?

1. Businesses won't buy the iphone because it doesn't have a keyboard.
2. The iphone is not a very good email machine.
3. Ballmer would rather have their 50-60% market share.
4. Iphone won't gain any real market share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U

Haha the one week I attempted to use android it was by far the most useless email system for someone like me who is always on top of emails and messages

Didn't even get emails right away, tons of times they were delayed

Never had that issue with iPhone

Mrbobb
Jun 8, 2013, 07:54 PM
but I must bump this 6 year topic.


Why must you?

What else is the CEO of a competitor is gonna say?


1. Old, 5 years news.

2. Is anyone surprised Ballmer would say that? The competitors say a lot of things. Are you going to resuscitate every iPhone-killer thread?

COMEON, GIVE US SOMETHING FRESH.

lordofthereef
Jun 8, 2013, 10:22 PM
Haha the one week I attempted to use android it was by far the most useless email system for someone like me who is always on top of emails and messages

Didn't even get emails right away, tons of times they were delayed

Never had that issue with iPhone

Really? Who do you use as your email provider. I find emails updating virtually in tandem on android, iOS, and windows phone. But all I use for email is my gmail account.

I do find, on basically all platforms, that the built in email apps all leave (different) things to be desired. Luckily we have the ability to download better. :)

Zellio
Jun 8, 2013, 11:36 PM
What else is the CEO of a competitor is gonna say?

You mean, a competent CEO, or a smelly loudmouth buffoon like Ballmer who only has a job because he was childhood friends with Gates, and has missed every major tech oriented thing to come out (Besides Xbox) since 2000?

bushman4
Jun 9, 2013, 12:13 AM
Remember...........'He who laughs last laughs best'

Jades
Jun 9, 2013, 07:52 AM
Really? Who do you use as your email provider. I find emails updating virtually in tandem on android, iOS, and windows phone. But all I use for email is my gmail account.

I do find, on basically all platforms, that the built in email apps all leave (different) things to be desired. Luckily we have the ability to download better. :)

Gmail is one of them and then Microsoft exchange. Issues were happening more on gmail than exchange, surprisingly

What also annoyed me were the notifications, it would sound and vibrate that I have new email meanwhile in reality I used my ipad or something else to open up an unread email. Got really confusing.

I can complain from today till tomorrow about the android lol. Just didn't come close for business use in my type of business.

palmharbor
Jun 9, 2013, 08:34 AM
Steve Ballmer (MS CEO) can't say anything good about any company other than Microsoft. Contrast him to Phil Schiller (Apple's head of marketing) who speaks only of Apple (and only with praise of course, he's the head of marketing).
One has class, even if you know he stretches things sometimes.
The other jumps around on a stage screaming, and starts having convulsions in support of programmers.

Samsung makes the "Windows" phone for Microsoft ...it is NOT shown in their new Samsung Experience booths in BestBuy...wonder why? No demand?
Not intuitive? As stupid as Windows 8? YES< YES< YES

cynics
Jun 9, 2013, 08:54 AM
Gmail is one of them and then Microsoft exchange. Issues were happening more on gmail than exchange, surprisingly

What also annoyed me were the notifications, it would sound and vibrate that I have new email meanwhile in reality I used my ipad or something else to open up an unread email. Got really confusing.

I can complain from today till tomorrow about the android lol. Just didn't come close for business use in my type of business.

You can't really attach anything aside from pictures to emails in iOS is why a lot of businesses use Android or something else. That's why our business does.

I can manage to attach a single PDF to an email but no more then that on iOS. And forget about a zip files or anything else for that matter.

Using Android I can not only send and receive any file there is but I can zip and unzip things, multiple PDF's, etc etc.

While refinancing my house it was a huge pain using my iPhone because they wanted me to send multiple PDF files back to them ASAP. I had to send them in multiple emails. Looked very disorganized and overly complicated.

Aside from that I don't have a problem with email in iOS. But I don't have a problem with Androids either. I have a gmail account and I get them on my Android prior to iOS.

lordofthereef
Jun 9, 2013, 01:20 PM
Gmail is one of them and then Microsoft exchange. Issues were happening more on gmail than exchange, surprisingly

What also annoyed me were the notifications, it would sound and vibrate that I have new email meanwhile in reality I used my ipad or something else to open up an unread email. Got really confusing.

I can complain from today till tomorrow about the android lol. Just didn't come close for business use in my type of business.

Odd. I use my phones for business and go through dozens of emails a day. Can;t say that I share your experience. Bummer that it didn't work for you.