Weed is in the news,Clinics & Vick

[Dont Hurt Me]

Well looks like the Feds are again looking to make criminals out of pot smokers see the clinic raid in L.A. http:// www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16686623/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16686623/) or Michael Vicks secret water bottlehttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16682616/ I just dont get our beyond crazy federal govt. For example the weed laws were "made up" to go after illegal mexicans over a half a century ago but now we ignore millions of illegals sneaking across our border but weed is still illegal:confused: or we throw two border agents in jail and let the drug smuggler who was moving weed and what have you into the country. The president has ignored 50 congressmans request for setting these two agents free, hasnt even returned their calls or letters. The Federal govt is a gigantic mess so it backs drug dealers but raids legal clinics in California, on one hand it doesnt want the weed on the other hand it does want the weed. Even Michael Vick enjoys the occasional blunt but...... The Feds are trying to turn American weed smokers into the boogeyman but illegal Mexican drug runners are allowed to go? Just more of a screwed federal govt so tied up in its own beauracracy it doesnt know what the hell its doing. I say weed shouldnt be a crime at all unless your pushing it on a Minor period. That though doesnt grow the Police State who needs fear and boogeymen to keep us....:rolleyes: safe:rolleyes: Another federal law that makes no sense but empowers the Police state,Control freaks and the Politician.

[iJon]

Even though the public is not ready for full legalization the recent ballot measures are definently showing signs of improvement. I don't know when but one day we will be freed of these awful drug laws and the War of Drugs.

jon

[Swarmlord]

What sucks is that it doesn't matter what party is in power at the time. The allure of easy arrests based merely on possession and asset seizure makes it too lucrative to politicians of both side.

Cops don't get equipment and bloated budgets for catching murderers. They get sweet vehicles and state of the art techno toys to bust people with a baggy of weed though.

[Dont Hurt Me]

What sucks is that it doesn't matter what party is in power at the time. The allure of easy arrests based merely on possession and asset seizure makes it too lucrative to politicians of both side.

Cops don't get equipment and bloated budgets for catching murderers. They get sweet vehicles and state of the art techno toys to bust people with a baggy of weed though.
Thats a good point. I think federal laws empower the Drug Dealers & Politicians and Prison builders. Decriminalizing it is the solution. Many lives have been lost or destroyed by making this something its not. The hard drugs should be treated tough but weed is less addicting then tobacco and a lot lot safer then alcohol. Govt studies have shown this so the whole illegal thing on weed boils down to politics and its self serving history. The politician has to have fear to sell.

No comments on Vick and his bottle im surprised or maybe we just dont have any Falcon fans.

[Counterfit]

I'd like to know more about these weapons they supposedly found. Why does a medicinal clinic need anything of the type, beyond what is allowed by existing laws? If they had anything automatic, I'd be very concerned that they were selling more than what was allowed by state law.

[iJon]

I'd like to know more about these weapons they supposedly found. Why does a medicinal clinic need anything of the type, beyond what is allowed by existing laws? If they had anything automatic, I'd be very concerned that they were selling more than what was allowed by state law.
I would agree. But you have to remember, many of these places are very vulnerable to being robbed, happens all the time. When you have pounds of high grade marijuana that is easily valued at $8,000/lb at L.A. street prices then you have a need to worry and concern. It's just how things work and depends on the main purpose for the weapons.

jon

[Counterfit]

I would agree. But you have to remember, many of these places are very vulnerable to being robbed, happens all the time. When you have pounds of high grade marijuana that is easily valued at $8,000/lb at L.A. street prices then you have a need to worry and concern. It's just how things work and depends on the main purpose for the weapons.

jon

That's why I wanted to know more. A shotgun or two plus a handgun (and I suppose an AR-15 if they're legal in CA, though it would probably be too unwieldy inside a small store) is understandable considering the value of their stock. Uzi's and Kalashnikov's (or anything else full-auto) aren't.

Unless they have an AK that isn't full-auto, of which there are many. There's even a shotgun based on that design :eek: (semi-auto of course).

[davidjearly]

Weed is illegal and should be in every country in the world.

[bozigle]

Weed is illegal and should be in every country in the world.

And every country should be following whatever Pdt Bush says because it is just right and anyone saying otherwise is anti-american.

I encourage you to look for scientific facts... once upon a time people were convinced that earth was flat and anyone who disagree with that was strangely rewarded

bozigle... French ... Amsterdam is a so beautiful country with an open mind and objective point of view.

[Queso]

You would think that the USA more than any other country would realise that prohibition doesn't work. All it does is funnel money to real criminals.

[davidjearly]

And every country should be following whatever Pdt Bush says because it is just right and anyone saying otherwise is anti-american.

I encourage you to look for scientific facts... once upon a time people were convinced that earth was flat and anyone who disagree with that was strangely rewarded

bozigle... French ... Amsterdam is a so beautiful country with an open mind and objective point of view.

No Bush is wrong on almost everything.

Scientific facts for what? If you are looking for the health implications of weed then you might get more than you bargained for from me so I wouldn't bother.

Scotland is a beautiful country. Amsterdam, well for a start, it isn't a country but a city in a country.

[bozigle]

No Bush is wrong on almost everything.

Scientific facts for what? If you are looking for the health implications of weed then you might get more than you bargained for from me so I wouldn't bother.

Scotland is a beautiful country. Amsterdam, well for a start, it isn't a country but a city in a country.

right my bad... Netherlands.

please that would be a first for me to get some "scientific facts on Canabis health's implication"... propaganda yeah i did get plenty... scientific facts going in that direction... never

check on wikipedia or there
http://www.brookes.ac.uk/health/libra/cannabis.html!

There is no hard fact to support danger of canabis where as Alcohol and cigarets can't pretend the same... and they are legal.
Canabis is only a political issue and has never been a scientific one.
The fact that A bunch of countries still continue to consider it as a criminal act is really sad and hypocrite...

bozigle

[Counterfit]

You would think that the USA more than any other country would realise that prohibition doesn't work. All it does is funnel money to real criminals.

That's certainly true. One group that was against the repealing of the 18th amendment was the mafia, as it resulted in an enormous amount of money for them.

[Swarmlord]

Weed is illegal and should be in every country in the world.

You must find a society based on freedom in general and personal responsibility specifically very uncomfortable then.

[nbs2]

Wait, wait, wait - am I being expected to excuse Vick along with the clinic. The clinic I don't want to get into - too complex an issue with too much at stake.

Michael Vick, on the other hand, is a moron. First, I would think that most Americans who travel (and based on TV coverage of Falcons games, I assume that he doesn't get to stay home during away games) would know that you can't bring a water bottle on board an airplane. He doesn't bring it, nothing happens. Then, he is brilliant enough to have a "secret compartment." Who is this guy? Bringing anything in a secret compartment is nuts in this era. A hidden pocket in your jeans - maybe. But a hidden compartment in the water bottle? What, was he going to smuggle embryos out of Jurrasic Park? Moron, moron, moron.

And, DHM, why did even put this in Current Events? You know it's going to Politics...

[Swarmlord]

You would think that the USA more than any other country would realise that prohibition doesn't work. All it does is funnel money to real criminals.

I just wanted to point out on the record that this is something that we are in complete agreement on. :)

[Dont Hurt Me]

This is what happens when Politicians make laws not based on Science, why let a little science or facts control the issue when its just easier to sell lies & spin. This is another example where the cure is more dangerous then the actual cause. It costs this nation billions in its drug wars and games for building the police state. It just NeoCon nonsense just as Nixons response to a scientific study on this was. He ended up discarding it because it didnt support his preconcieved ideas. Like prohibition the weed laws are a failure. All we are doing is running in circles while it has been proven to help people with different medical illness. To say it has no medicinal purpose is an outright lie, It has helped many patients but the feds are hell bent on their laws written decades ago that had nothing to do with science. More Politicians needing those WMDs in any form even made up false ones.

We can do a better job controling Marijuana by making it Legal then we can by keeping it underground. Politicians and Drug Dealers would loose out though and we cant have that can we?

[mactastic]

There is no hard fact to support danger of canabis where as Alcohol and cigarets can't pretend the same... and they are legal.
Canabis is only a political issue and has never been a scientific one.
The fact that A bunch of countries still continue to consider it as a criminal act is really sad and hypocrite...

bozigle
You can still get lung cancer from smoking marijuana, although the medical vaporizers drop that risk to nearly zero from my understanding. It is still an addictive substance, even if it's addiction level and side effects are much lower than other drugs. It does raise your heart rate and blood pressure, which can be risky for people with heart / circulation problems.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no square, nor am I in favor of continued criminalization of marijuana. But I do think we should deal in the realm of facts, and the fact is that there ARE health risks associated with marijuana use, particularly if you regularly smoke it.

[obeygiant]

We can do a better job controling Marijuana by making it Legal then we can by keeping it underground. Politicians and Drug Dealers would loose out though and we cant have that can we?

i agree but this notion probably has to end at pot. Other drugs such as meth, heroin/opium, LSD, MDMA will have to stay illegal.

Still the day where you can buy marijuana cigarettes is far off. Maybe they could freeze me until then.

[Eraserhead]

heroin/opium should remain illegal

What's interesting (at least in the UK) is that when Heroin was available on perscription there were only about 100 addicts in the country. Also at least in the UK at least 50% of crime is committed by drug addicts so if those drugs were available on prescription the crime rate would drop significantly.

[Dont Hurt Me]

i agree but this notion probably has to end at pot. Other drugs such as meth, heroin/opium, LSD, MDMA will have to stay illegal.

Still the day where you can buy marijuana cigarettes is far off. Maybe they could freeze me until then.I agree with both you & Mactastic. There are some very dangerous drugs that should be treated very harshly, weed though isnt one of them so to treat it the same is illogical. Another argument I have is the falseness of weed being a gateway drug, its the drug dealer who will be sure to try to get little johny or whoever trying something that really is dangerous and addicting. Thats the gateway. I think society would be better served by controling this through legal means and using those funds for education,control and road building or whatever.

[iJon]

I still have a very hard time believing that cannabis consumption puts me at the same lung cancer risk as do cigarettes. I don't know how many countless articles I've read on the topic over the years from both sides of the fence. I've been smoking consistently for the past couple of years and have yet to experience any health problems, no coughing, hacking, loss of breath, snoring or anything. There are actually many reports claiming that THC contains some active chemicals that help prevent against cancer in the lungs and other areas.

Although I highly doubt many readers on this board will believe me.

jon

[mactastic]

I'm not saying it puts you in the same risk catagory as a cigarette smoker, just that it increases your risk compared to a non-smoker. :)

[obeygiant]

I still have a very hard time believing that cannabis consumption puts me at the same lung cancer risk as do cigarettes. I don't know how many countless articles I've read on the topic over the years from both sides of the fence. I've been smoking consistently for the past couple of years and have yet to experience any health problems, no coughing, hacking, loss of breath, snoring or anything. There are actually many reports claiming that THC contains some active chemicals that help prevent against cancer in the lungs and other areas.

Although I highly doubt many readers on this board will believe with.

jon

just scrape your bong. that resin cant be that good for your lungs.

however much I'd like to agree with you, I don't think its TOTALLY out of the question to get lung cancer from grass. Although i think there are less harmful chemicals in pot smoke than cigarette.

[iJon]

just scrape your bong. that resin cant be that good for your lungs.

however much I'd like to agree with you, I don't think its TOTALLY out of the question to get lung cancer from grass. Although i think there are less harmful chemicals in pot smoke than cigarette.

I've used quite a bit of drugs with moderate spanned out use (LSD, MDMA, Mushrooms, THC) and I have yet to see my health and body change in any ways then it was before.

I'd probably say the most dangerous drug I do is alcohol and the Chick-fil-a sandwiches I eat often :)

jon

[Dont Hurt Me]

Its funny how they have tried so hard to make weed look like something it is not, when I was young they said it would flip you out,turn you into a monster (pay no attention to my avatar) make your tits grow and all kinds of blatant lies. Truth & Science & Facts are the things we should use for laws not made up political neocon hyperbullsh... P.N.H. is what were using now and it just isnt working.
On a side note Florida has another stupid law and thats a year in jail and $1,000 fine. Imagine the tax payer paying for someone sitting in jail for a year? thats what 20-50K to house somone? Fricking Nuts. I wonder if Vick will get a hand slap or some look at me prosecuter who will try to make an example of him while getting his face in front of the camera? Its all a sad game that we shouldnt even be playing.

[Zwhaler]

Weed is illegal and should be in every country in the world.

Well, when it was legalized in Amsterdam, use went up for a few months, but not long after that the overall use dropped below use when it was illegal. Would you rather have your kids buy their weed from a shady drug dealer or from a conveinence store?

[Zwhaler]

I still have a very hard time believing that cannabis consumption puts me at the same lung cancer risk as do cigarettes. I don't know how many countless articles I've read on the topic over the years from both sides of the fence. I've been smoking consistently for the past couple of years and have yet to experience any health problems, no coughing, hacking, loss of breath, snoring or anything. There are actually many reports claiming that THC contains some active chemicals that help prevent against cancer in the lungs and other areas.

Although I highly doubt many readers on this board will believe me.

jon

People will say that a joint contains several times more cancer causing stuff than a cigarette, which may be true (for some cases) but how often do you smoke 40 joints a day? People will often smoke a pack a day, but no one ever smokes 20 joints a day. I'd like to see it done...

Even a pretty heavy smoke will smoke a few joints a day, which is still far less than a pack of cigarettes a day. And cigarettes are legal.

[aquajet]

I've said this before and apparently it must be said again. I've a friend of the family who smoked marijuana everyday for 20+ years and died of lung cancer. Whether or not it was caused by the marijuana smoke cannot be determined for certain, but to say that marijuana smoke doesn't cause problems with the respiratory system is simply foolish.

[bozigle]

You can still get lung cancer from smoking marijuana, although the medical vaporizers drop that risk to nearly zero from my understanding. It is still an addictive substance, even if it's addiction level and side effects are much lower than other drugs. It does raise your heart rate and blood pressure, which can be risky for people with heart / circulation problems.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no square, nor am I in favor of continued criminalization of marijuana. But I do think we should deal in the realm of facts, and the fact is that there ARE health risks associated with marijuana use, particularly if you regularly smoke it.

I've said this before and apparently it must be said again. I've a friend of the family who smoked marijuana everyday for 20+ years and died of lung cancer. Whether or not it was caused by the marijuana smoke cannot be determined for certain, but to say that marijuana smoke doesn't cause problems with the respiratory system is simply foolish.


I think here is a point:
Canabis can indeed have health problem... the first one is when mixed with tabaco... you get the same risks as tabaco (dependencies, lung cancer)
Smoking canabis every day is like many other excess... totaly unhealty.
Eating a bit of chocolate or drinking a glass of wine every day is fine but getting wasted or eating 2kg of chocolate per day is not.
Smoking canabis everyday is the symptom of other mental disorders... and help should be seek (as for chocolate or wine) but occasional smoking of grass (if possible without tabaco) is not anything to worry about.

legalize chocolate!
bozigle

[skunk]

Weed is illegal and should be in every country in the world.No doubt you think every country in the world should be a Christian democracy and speak English, too.

[mactastic]

No doubt you think every country in the world should be a Christian democracy and speak English, too.
I thought everyone agreed that that would be best. Besides, didn't Christ say that's how it should be?

:p

[stillwater]

On the subject of cancer risk, recent research indicates little to no risk from even heavy pot smoking. below is an excerpt from an article on WebMD.

May 23, 2006 -- People who smoke marijuana do not appear to be at increased risk for developing lung cancer, new research suggests.

While a clear increase in cancer risk was seen among cigarette smokers in the study, no such association was seen for regular cannabis users.

Even very heavy, long-term marijuana users who had smoked more than 22,000 joints over a lifetime seemed to have no greater risk than infrequent marijuana users or nonusers.

The findings surprised the study’s researchers, who expected to see an increase in cancer among people who smoked marijuana regularly in their youth.

[skunk]

On the subject of cancer risk, recent research indicates little to no risk from even heavy pot smoking. below is an excerpt from an article on WebMD.That's good to know. Mind you, a mere 22,000 spliffs is lightweight. I reckon I've smoked a good 100,000 in my time.

Of course, now I'm clean as a whistle... :cool:

[sethypoo]

I too can't wait until we stop the "war on drugs," and stop the over-criminalization of marijuana. I don't smoke it, but I find it ridiculous that someone caught with a ounce or two of pot can get a punishment as harsh if not harsher than a murder, rape, or assault with a deadly weapon.

Mandatory minimum sentences need to go too. We need to take the power out of the prosecutors hands and place it back into the hands of the judges. Todays legal system is marred by so many problems, I wonder when everybody's going to get sick of it and finally demand a change.

[sethypoo]

On the subject of cancer risk, recent research indicates little to no risk from even heavy pot smoking. below is an excerpt from an article on WebMD.

I've seem a few of these studies from time to time, and I've made it a point to read them. I'm going to share my opinion on these studies because no one seems to be considering that smoking anything increases your risk of cancer, and smoking something more frequently again increases your risk.

I find it silly when researchers make claims like this one, that heavy pot users suffer little to no risk of cancer. I do believe that this is true of light to moderate users, but it is all but irrational to make this claim of heavy pot users.

Remember, smoke pot is just that- smoking. You're inhaling smoke into your lungs, holding it there, where hundreds of chemicals (not all of which are "good" for your health) transfer to your bloodstream. That smoke, while in your lungs, is not doing anything good towards your health, and in heavy pot smokers should see every bit as much cancer as cigarette smokers.

[Dont Hurt Me]

Just thought I would add that Miami isnt going to go after Vick, looks like they must not have found anything in the secret compartment or perhaps there wasnt enough weed to be tested. Anyways he's off the hook.

[princealfie]

Dude, get rid of pot. Then no problem will exist. :cool:

[Dont Hurt Me]

Dude, get rid of pot. Then no problem will exist. :cool:
To me it seems we created a problem out of something that never was a problem. Reefer Madness.