Poll: Did you see the Matrix: Reloaded?

[MacRumors]

Vote: Poll: Did you see the Matrix: Reloaded? (http://www.macpolls.com/?poll_id=185&ref=forums.macrumors.com)

[janey]

heh first person to say that it was okay :D

[Snowy_River]

I'm really looking forward to seeing it. The first movie was so deep, philosophically and spiritually, as well as being a really fun ride. From what I've heard, this movie and the next one are following very much in the footsteps of the first... I love movies that can be enjoyed on many different levels.

[WestCoast]

Were there any Macs in this?:confused:

[hvfsl]

Originally posted by WestCoast
Were there any Macs in this?:confused:

I doubt there will be any macs, there weren't in the last one. They all used advanced unix machines.

[Bengt77]

...and am very looking forward to it. I read the whole thread somewhere here on the forum and am now very unbiased. I have no prejudice left. Used to believe it would rock big time, now I'm more towards thinking it will be just okay. So I can't be disappointed, now can I?

But anyways, I'll see it all tonight...

[Knox]

Option 364: I haven't seen it but it's not released here yet so, had it been released at the same time as the US, i would have already seen it.

;)

[edesignuk]

...still waiting...:(

[ntg]

...and me...:eek:

[gerror]

I think it was typical the 2nd out of three. I liked it but after I have seen all three Iprobably like the 1st and the 3rd the most

[yzedf]

Nothing special really. Following is my review... some minor spoilers, so don't read if you want to be entirely surprised:

*** Not up to the hype - some spoilers!!! ***

Alot of gee-whiz factor CG stuff... that did not really help with the story.

Most of the scenes (fight, chase, and the French speaking fellow) felt too long.

2 yr old Ducati's were funny... but nobody then knew what the new ones would look like.

Too many rehashed powers (Neo) from the first movie. Superman arm gestures (in flight) after the guy mentions in the beginning that Neo is doing his "Superman thing again" was lame.

Some parts of the big Mr. Smith (no longer an agent) fight scene were of poor CG quality. At one point Neo did not appear to have any texture on his face or requisite black trenchcoat.

Jada Pinkett Smith is a hottie of extreme magnitude.

Keanu Reeves was his usual stoned surfer 'whoa' self. Enlightenment does not come easy to this one.

Laurence Fishburne big speach was underwhelming.

Carrie-Anne Moss seemed apathetic most of the time.

Hugo Weaving does much with very little, again.

Gloria Foster was amazing. She seemed to delight in the psuedo philosophical speech paterns, unlike Keanu.

The twins were a let down.

Conclusion:

If you are not expecting much beyond CG and lots of fight scenes, with a smattering of near non-sensical philosophy, you may still be disappointed.

2 out of 5 stars.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=64283&cid=5963811

[Mr. Anderson]

Saw it - loved it - annoyed that I missed the trailer/teaser for 3 at the end of the credits......

Probably go back and see it again, there's so much to figure out since its opens up a much bigger story than the first one.

D

[tazo]

I saw it and I can say honestly the first 80 percent of it sucked. It was sort of like a rollercoaster that only goes up hill. :D

[tazo]

Originally posted by Snowy_River
I'm really looking forward to seeing it. The first movie was so deep, philosophically and spiritually,

wow. you have extremely low standards when it comes to what philosophy in a movie entails. For me it is not some pseudo-dramatic 5 minute goober by Laurence Fishburne. Go download Pablo Francisco's comedy central presents audio file, listen to what he has to say about Keanu Reeves-it directly correlates to the idea about his stoned surfer appeal. Go check it out. He also makes fun of the guy who does the movie overtone, that "in the city.....you must fight to survive.....dave only had one chance...." :D

[wdlove]

I will wait for it to come out on DVD!

[stefman]

Sadly, it didn't live up to the hype and my expectations of it.

Effects are good, action is good...but that's it.

Felt like I was watching a video game.

[iMook]

Liked it, but only for the effects.
There's a bit of philosophical mindf---ery going on, but not enough to be the compelling mind warp that it was hyped up to be (in some circles).
Snippets of humor were a nice diversion.
Looking forward to Matrix Revolutions.

*SPOILERS*

> Neo vs. the Sentinel was just downright idiotic.
> Monica Bellucci should find a better makeup artist.
> Jada Pinkett Smith looks prettier in real life, not saying that her makeup artists screwed up, she looks appropriately authoritative.
> Yes, Superman gesturing was lame.
> Burly Brawl was WAY too hyped up.
> I liked the etherealisms of the Twins, though the last scene with the Escalade was unrealistic (why couldn't they go ethereal BEFORE they got shot sky high?)
> Car chase overall was good.
> Seraph looks like me!

Most Memorable Scene:
The slow-mo collision of the two 18-wheelers. Yeah. That was nice CG
Funniest Scene:
Two words: orgasm cake


Definitely waiting for the 6-DVD Deluxe Edition of the Matrix 1-2-3- + Animatrix to come out Q3 2004.

[dethl]

First time I saw Reloaded, I was disappointed. But I saw it again, knowing what was going to happen, and I was able to listen in on the deeper stuff in the movie, and Reloaded was much better. So for those of you who haven't seen it twice or more, go do so. You will enjoy the movie that much more.

[Flickta]

22.05.2003
21:30
The Matrix'll get me.

[frozenstar]

If you're looking for a Hollywood action flick, then this movie is for you.

For the rest of you that are interested in seeing a well-written sci-fi film with a coherent plot..... save your money.

[Frobozz]

... who were the 89 freaks who "have no plans to see it?"

I saw it at 1pm the day it opened... :-) And it lexceeded my expectations. Who reads a rumor site but doesn't like sci-fi? :-)

[Frobozz]

Originally posted by frozenstar
If you're looking for a Hollywood action flick, then this movie is for you.

For the rest of you that are interested in seeing a well-written sci-fi film with a coherent plot..... save your money.

I disagree completely. This movies has many complex layers of meaning and reference to science, religion, and techno-culture. Perhaps the nuance evaded you the first time through by distracting you with special effects? :-) This movie was phenominal. Obviously, everyone has their own opinions on this, but this was a far palatable sci-fi film than most. In fact, I think it finally gets people in the theater that want the happy medium of action and plot.

[frozenstar]

Originally posted by Frobozz
I disagree completely. This movies has many complex layers of meaning and reference to science, religion, and techno-culture. Perhaps the nuance evaded you the first time through by distracting you with special effects? :-) This movie was phenominal. Obviously, everyone has their own opinions on this, but this was a far palatable sci-fi film than most. In fact, I think it finally gets people in the theater that want the happy medium of action and plot.

In my opinion....
Any/all references to science, religion, and culture were shallow. The plot was loose, the writing was poor, and the cinematography introduced nearly nothing new as compared to the first one.
The focus was on eye-candy and action, which is understandable since that is what attracts most viewers, and subsequently brings in the most money.

[yzedf]

Originally posted by frozenstar
In my opinion....
Any/all references to science, religion, and culture were shallow. The plot was loose, the writing was poor, and the cinematography introduced nearly nothing new as compared to the first one.
The focus was on eye-candy and action, which is understandable since that is what attracts most viewers, and subsequently brings in the most money.
Not to mention plot holes big enough to drive a truck through :(

I think the writing was ok... but the director(s) missed the mark. Fishburne is good, very good. But not in this movie.

As to the religion... yes we know that Neo = Jesus

The lack of culture in Zion was a bit surprising. Plus the blatant use of tired devices (curved table of elders running the place etc) was disappointing.

Blech.

[MacFan25]

I haven't seen it yet, but I am planning on seeing it sometime.

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by yzedf
Nothing special really. Following is my review... some minor spoilers, so don't read if you want to be entirely surprised:


http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=64283&cid=5963811

I horribly disagree with you on most of your points.

Just to off set spectrums I give it 4.5 outa 5 stars. If you like action and what the original matrix did to storytelling, awesome directions and amazing fight sequences, this is a no brainer must see flick.

[yzedf]

Originally posted by Kid Red
I horribly disagree with you on most of your points.

Just to off set spectrums I give it 4.5 outa 5 stars. If you like action and what the original matrix did to storytelling, awesome directions and amazing fight sequences, this is a no brainer must see flick.
Yeah... works the same for my friends. About 1/2 of us loved it, 1/4 liked it, and 1/4 were disappointed (including myself).

The 1st movie was such a jump up, and the 2nd just wasn't much new (o0o0o cameras move aroud more!).

[fixyourthinking]

In the restaurant of The Merovignian (or whatever) there was a 23" cinema display, don't know what Mac it was attached to.

Best scene was meeting the architect in my opinion - special effects were all great though

Some hokey moments, but all movies have that except probably Shawshank Redemption

Favorite line was from The Council member to the Defense Minister:
"Comprehension is NOT a prerequisite for compliance." I'm going to start using that!

[PretendPCuser]

Too bad Mouse wasn't around for this one. He would have loved the orgasm cake...would've asked for the recipe...:rolleyes:

[beatle888]

ok then, for all of you that say it was shallow psychobable, would you mind explaining to me what the hell the architect was talking about?

and as far as religion, i dont see a trace of religion in that movie except for morpheuses religious belief in the prophecy. oh and that scene with neo and the sentinals was key...it was the first time he used his matrix powers UNPLUGGED...in other words, he wasnt IN the matrix yet he still had his powers...thats why he seemed so shocked when he intuitively waxed the sentinals.

so please, what the hell was the architect talking about.

[Veldek]

In Germany the movie starts Thursday, 22nd. But I will see the preview tomorrow. Then I will finally be able take part in all the discussions going on here.

[Masker]

Saw it. Loved it.

Yes, it's a cheesy action flick. Unless you try to _understand_ everything that goes on. The dialogue is somewhat cheesy, until you try to imagine how they would talk in these scenes without being deadpan & serious. No other delivery would be appropriate or interesting. So, get past the cheese-factor, and you've got great dialogue that carries the plot & story further than in the first movie.

I _do_ agree that the fight scenes didn't have the same edge as in the first movie. After all, you KNOW that Neo is not going to die, and that takes away the edginess of the fights. Also, there isn't much new in the fighting, other than Neo is much more of a badass. I don't agree with the people (not here) that say he shouldn't even need to fight since he can reshape the Matrix. He's not GOD, he's mostly got to follow the rules of the Matrix: some he can bend or break, but mostly he has to live in the restrictions that are built into the Matrix. He can see more information than anyone else can, and he can fly (come on, wouldn't you use the Superman pose if you were flying? There's a F**%#&g reason that Superman was drawn that way. It's a natural way to be in the prone position at high velocities... :D ), and he can stop bullets in mid-air. But, he's not going to be able to destroy AIs by blinking his eyes. Besides, how interesting would the fight scenes be if he _could_ do that? It's an action movie Get over it.

Mostly, though, some of the scenes could have been cleaned up a little, trimmed a little & made more streamlined to make the movie a little faster-paced over all. Then, couple that with the density of the plot (no holes that I could see; please enumerate if you did), you'd be able to see it a bunch of times and really enjoy it over & over again.

Having said all that, I'm spending another $5 on a matinee this weekend to see it again. I'll probably see this a 3rd time in another week or so.

[Bengt77]

Originally posted by beatle888
so please, what the hell was the architect talking about.

That was quite obvious, it seems to me. He told Neo that he is the sixth 'One' to restart the Matrix, destroy Zion and recreate it with 22 fellow humans (16 men, including himself, and 7 women). The last bit in that room was the most interesting. The architect wants Neo to choose taking the right door (and recreate everything from scratch), but already knows he (Neo) won't do that. He earlier explains that Neo, as opposed to the earlier 'Ones', feels love when thinking about humanity as a whole. Therefore Neo chooses to save Trinity and to go back to a far from certian future. What is, a quite certain death and destruction of Zion and the Matrix itself.

The one thing I am truly interested in, is what the Oracle would have wanted Neo to do in that room with the Architect. Did she want him, too, to have chosen the right door and rebuild it all, or had she silently hoped for him to choose for the 'real' world. (Oh well, what's real anyway?)

Is it a story of a Matrix within a Matrix? Is that why Neo suddenly has powers outside the core Matrix? (What is the core Matrix then, really?) Or is it that he can now transfer himself 'live' into the Matrix, sense the computers outside of it, controlling it, and can now actually control those controlling computers? Is it that why he can stop the sentinels (controlled by computers outside of the Matrix, but probably somehow connected to it, probably) in the 'real' world?

Anyway, what the Architect was saying is that Neo was not 'the One', but 'THE One'. For his love, that is. Neo, being the bits that refuse to be controlled by the computers running the Matrix, has ultimately found a way to bypass the system and follow his own path. Outside or inside the Matrix. I just wonder what will happen with the bits of Agent Smith having been transferred into the head of the person lying next to him in the operating room. Will Smith be as powerful as Neo is in the Matrix? What will happen in Revolutions? Oh well, november will tell. (That rhymes!)

Had enough yet?

:p

[beatle888]

thats what i thought. more or less. i think the architect said something about the oracle actaully being a program created to test other programs??? something like she was intuition....i wish i could get a hold of the dialog, then i wouldnt have to see it again.

[scem0]

Originally posted by übergeek
heh first person to say that it was okay :D

I'm with you there except I wasn't the first one... obviously. :)

[macdong]

Originally posted by Frobozz
... who were the 89 freaks who "have no plans to see it?"

I saw it at 1pm the day it opened... :-) And it lexceeded my expectations. Who reads a rumor site but doesn't like sci-fi? :-)

For your information, I am going to wait for a while.
For what? For its DVD to come out.
Then my friend will go buy it.
And I will eventually get to watch it for free with his big projector screen.
Now isn't that cheap? :p

[Haberdasher]

Originally posted by dethl
First time I saw Reloaded, I was disappointed. But I saw it again, knowing what was going to happen, and I was able to listen in on the deeper stuff in the movie, and Reloaded was much better. So for those of you who haven't seen it twice or more, go do so. You will enjoy the movie that much more.

Exact opposite for me. I saw it the first time, all action stuff, I loved that and followed every word of the "Philosophy." Second time, I focused not on plot but on acting, which was a big mistake. :D

[ZildjianKX]

Originally posted by yzedf
Nothing special really. Following is my review... some minor spoilers, so don't read if you want to be entirely surprised:


http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=64283&cid=5963811

Man, I couldn't agree with you more. The movie was a horrible, horrible letdown. They took their huge budget and blew it... achieving nothing that made the first movie so good.

Points I'd like to add...

Orgasm scene was LAME. The hand in chest revival seen was LAME.

[yzedf]

Originally posted by beatle888
ok then, for all of you that say it was shallow psychobable, would you mind explaining to me what the hell the architect was talking about?

and as far as religion, i dont see a trace of religion in that movie except for morpheuses religious belief in the prophecy. oh and that scene with neo and the sentinals was key...it was the first time he used his matrix powers UNPLUGGED...in other words, he wasnt IN the matrix yet he still had his powers...thats why he seemed so shocked when he intuitively waxed the sentinals.

so please, what the hell was the architect talking about.
In case you were curious, I actually hate religion...

http://awesomehouse.com/matrix/parallels.html

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=matrix+neo+jesus&btnG=Google+Search

I did not notice any of this, someone had to point it out to me (I know nothing of Christianity or any other religion other than that they cause way to many wars...).

I heard on the radio that some people are using the matrix as a teaching tool for something (bible study i think), while others in the same church go on about how blasphemous it all is! lol :D

[tazo]

Originally posted by beatle888
ok then, for all of you that say it was shallow psychobable, would you mind explaining to me what the hell the architect was talking about?

and as far as religion, i dont see a trace of religion in that movie except for morpheuses religious belief in the prophecy. oh and that scene with neo and the sentinals was key...it was the first time he used his matrix powers UNPLUGGED...in other words, he wasnt IN the matrix yet he still had his powers...thats why he seemed so shocked when he intuitively waxed the sentinals.

so please, what the hell was the architect talking about.

I beg to differ. Actually I beg to differ a lot on this. The religious and historic undertones in this movie are so inherently apparent that you have the sheer gall to express oppositely of that is simply amazing.

Allow me to quote a review sent to me by a friend of mine, regarding the Matrix and the ever-popular Christianity:

Christian Symbolism Floods 'The Matrix'
By Amy Hanson, special to Zap2it
Sun, May 11, 2003, 12:05 PM PT

Matthew 24:42 and 44 "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day your Lord will come."
"So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him."

Sure, people are going to be reading a lot into "Matrix Reloaded" just like they did the first film, but some of the religious significance is uncanny and needs to be pointed out, so Zap2it.com has compiled a few religious references of our own.

NEO

The main character Neo has several parallels to Jesus Christ. Neo is frequently referred to as "The One" throughout the film -- "The One" who will free mankind from its own self-destruction, the Messiah.

Christians are waiting for God's "call" to advise what to do next. The audience is able to see Neo's "call" first-hand; a cell phone delivered to him via FedEx.

Neo's true name, Thomas Anderson also has Christian parallels. European migration brings the name Anderson to mean "son of Anders." Anders is a Greek form of the word andros which means "man" and most likely not by accident, Anderson implies "the Son of Man."

Thomas is also one of Jesus's disciples from whom the common cliché "Doubting Thomas" comes from. Thomas refuses to believe that Jesus has been resurrected. Thomas insists he has to see to believe.

Neo remains skeptical throughout the first film and into the second film, even though he becomes a believer when he sees that he is growing more and more invincible.

Neo is also conceived and born again into the Matrix via a virgin birth -- a direct parallel to that of Jesus.

Finally, when Neo is killed near the end of the first movie, his body takes on a radiant presence and he ascends into the heavens and seems to rise from the dead -- further solidifying the implication that Neo is symbolic of the Messiah.

MORPHEUS

In Matthew 11:10 it is written, "I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you."

This passage refers to John the Baptist. Just as John the Baptist prepares the way for Jesus, so also does Morpheus prepare the way for Neo.

In his day, many believed that John the Baptist was the Chosen One, but he knew that one greater would come after him. In "The Matrix," many also believe that Morpheus is the One, but Morpheus knows without a doubt that Neo is the one who will save them all.

Morpheus in "Reloaded" becomes even more of a fanatic and a "true believer" even to the point of alienating some of his followers.

CHOI

Choi is Neo's buddy in the first film and among the first words spoken to the savior as he is awakened from a trouble sleep is:
"Hallelujah. You’re my savior, man. My own personal Jesus Christ."

This foreshadows that Neo is the Chosen One meant to save the world from self-destruction.

TRINITY

From a Biblical perspective, the word Trinity itself refers to the three-in-one: the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. Her name is the only biblical parallel that is so blatantly obvious.

In the second film, there is a similar resurrection that takes place as the first, and that seems to suggest they are all intertwined as one.

CYPHER

Cypher never really believes that Neo was in fact "The One." Easily paralleled with Judas Iscariot, who in the Bible never refers to Jesus as "Lord" but only as rabbi, Cypher betrays Neo by revealing Morpheus to the Agents.

Although Judas receives 30 pieces of silver, Cypher negotiates for reinsertion into the Matrix. He picks the Blue Pill to return to his blissful world while the world of spiritual reality/Nirvana is reached by taking the Red Pill -- a possible symbol of the body and blood of Christ.

Cypher and Neo also share a drink from the same cup, which assimilates the wine shared during the Last Supper in Luke22:20-21 which says, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you. But the hand of him who is going to betray me is with mine on the table."

THE ORACLE and THE KEYMAKER

Many events in the Bible were foretold by the prophets. The Oracle appears to be symbolic of the prophets by predicting the coming of "The One" as well as his death and his resurrection.

In the second film, the Keymaker prophesizes that Neo will come to him, and that he will fulfill a necessary task in the Matrix.

THE AGENTS

The Agents appear to be linked to more than just Satan, but quite possibly all the evil that has prevailed in the universe. The Agents are symbolic of the greed, power and control that people worship in this modern day.

THE CREW

The crew very much resembles the 12 disciples. Although there are not 12 in total in the movie, there is a set of brothers who could be symbolic of Simon and Peter. Their home, a ship named Nebuchadnezzar, is named after the King of Babylon. That makes them all "Fishers of Men" who practice evangelism to share the good news of the Chosen One and hope for freedom.

HOMILY, in Summary

The key theme that reverberates over and over again is to "Free your Mind." This is explored in the Bible verse from Luke 24:45 -- "Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures."



By the way go look up who historically, the character 'Persephone' was. Hint: it has to do with The Oddysey

-tazo

[Marble]

Funny, because someone in that slashdot post mentioned that Neo wasn't Jesus at all, but instead Buddha, and I think they were right.
I really liked this movie, though to a certain extent it chagrins me to admit it. The action was the best action I have ever experienced in my life (it pretty much gets to set the standard now doesn't it?), and the plot gets more interesting the more you think about it and read other people's opinions about it.
As for the Superman thing, what's to say that it isn't a sublimation of the One's previous incarnations. If they can all fly, then maybe Superman, in the context of the movie, is just a way of rationalizing the One to everyday people. With the premise of the Matrix, anything, pretty much, is explainable with an intelligent answer. Pretty clever, considering it really shoulders out any room for serious plot mistakes (which I could define none of).
In fact, just the fact that it's started semi-philosophical forum threads like this one and the slashdot post and hundreds of others across the internet shows that there's more there than just a veneer (like that "2 Fast 2 Furious" trailer that they tried to bum me with before the show), and that there's obviously at least something substantial enough there to argue about.

[beatle888]

"Christians are waiting for God's "call" to advise what to do next. The audience is able to see Neo's "call" first-hand; a cell phone delivered to him via FedEx."

so the fact that it was morpheus on the phone means that....in your comparison, morpheus is god? i dont think so.

i think any story like this is easy to draw parallels but the only obvious scene was when neo walked out of the elevator with trinity and were met by people that believed in him. basic hero worship. but i dont see any deliberate parallels except for that scene. i see opposition. black and white and if your christian, good and evil. thats all i see. maybe if i had jesus on my mind all the time i would feel the same way as you...i can see where your coming from. i once read that a group of monks actually loved to watch star wars. same thing. its just simple paradox parallels. i doubt the writers sat down contriving all your comparisons

[MacBandit]

I don't really care about the religious connotations as related to Christianity. I think all major religions have a savior. That's not the point. The whole movie and series is more of a philosophical issue then it is a religious one any how. The whole idea that you I and all of us could be living within a controlled system somehow and not even know it. In Reloaded they bring in the issue that not only could we be in a system like this but that all of us are living our lives according to a prewritten program (fate). There are other forms of philosophy in here also. Man against Machine. Logic against Emotions. It goes on and on. Reloaded was actually much deeper on the philosophy aspect then The Matrix was.

For all of you who disliked Reloaded because it had so many loose ends wait for the sequel in less then 6 months. The problem is Reloaded and Revolutions was shot as one movie and then cut down the middle with little regard to the whole story line. Trust me it will be worth it all when the next one comes out. Also a big part of the let down is for most of us by the time we saw Reloaded we knew every key plot point and had seen every major fight seen in it's entirety thanks to behind the scenes shows and the internet. When The Matrix came out there was very very little of that and it was all knew we all went into it totally unaware and were shocked by it. The shock wasn't there with Reloaded so you have to dig deeper into the story. Something some of you did not do when watching it expecting more of the first film. You need to go into it and pay very careful attention to what's going on and the meaning of everything that is happening. What did you think they were going to make 2 movies out of? I mean at the end of The Matrix wasn't Neo all powerful and seemingly unstoppable? I went into this movie with strong doubt in my mind that they could pull anything off. I mean what fun would a movie be without a main character with challenges ahead of him. I couldn't see how they were going to present challenges and they did and I think they did a very good job of it though there are lots and lots of loose ends since all you've seen is half of a movie.

[beatle888]

i agree.
saw it again tonight without expectations and let me tell you, i learned something very important tonight by watching it for a second time.....expectations ruin everything. i even loved the rave scene. i do think they could have made a way better sex scene. the action was hot. the freeway sequence went on for sooo long but it was very good. smith is a freak, i think i like him better than neo. and i love the french guy and his swanky crew. the line about him loving to swear in french was hilarious.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by beatle888
i agree.
saw it again tonight without expectations and let me tell you, i learned something very important tonight by watching it for a second time.....expectations ruin everything. i even loved the rave scene. i do think they could have made a way better sex scene. the action was hot. the freeway sequence went on for sooo long but it was very good. smith is a freak, i think i like him better than neo. and i love the french guy and his swanky crew. the line about him loving to swear in french was hilarious.


Oh, I left something out. If you really really want to get into the movie go get the game guide for the new Matrix game and read it. It will describe all the characters including Persephone and the guy she's with. There's a lot more going on then what you know and that's just because you don't know the whole story yet. You have to either play the game or read the guide trust me it's a MUST.

[Bengt77]

Originally posted by MacBandit
If you really really want to get into the movie go get the game guide for the new Matrix game and read it.

So, where do we get it, without buying the game we can't play on our Macs? I did a search for a PDF version on Google but it's not there (yet).

Any ideas?

EDIT: Okay, I found the game guide somewhere, but one has to buy it. Isn't there a free, online version?

[Marble]

For those of you who don't like the Twins, it may give you a different perspective when you find out that they are in fact big Mac Users, and have produced a short farcical film called iBrotha that stars Malcolm X, a Macintosh evangelist in the United Kingdom. It's making tours right now but I can't wait to see it :).

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Bengt77
So, where do we get it, without buying the game we can't play on our Macs? I did a search for a PDF version on Google but it's not there (yet).

Any ideas?

EDIT: Okay, I found the game guide somewhere, but one has to buy it. Isn't there a free, online version?

I think you have to buy it. I don't think any online version will touch it in quality and quantity. I recommend the game guide as it's a cheap alternative to buying the game. Also not everyone has a game console to play the game on. Even if you aren't into these games and even if you don't have a console you must read the guide if you want to understand Reloaded and the upcoming Revolutions.

[yzedf]

Originally posted by Marble
For those of you who don't like the Twins, it may give you a different perspective when you find out that they are in fact big Mac Users, and have produced a short farcical film called iBrotha that stars Malcolm X, a Macintosh evangelist in the United Kingdom. It's making tours right now but I can't wait to see it :).
It's not that I don't like them, it is that they were an integral part of the hype machine, but their role in the movie was not that major. The combo of invincibility and vulnerability was lame, IMNSHO.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by yzedf
It's not that I don't like them, it is that they were an integral part of the hype machine, but their role in the movie was not that major. The combo of invincibility and vulnerability was lame, IMNSHO.

I don't see them as invincible. I think that Neo could pund them good if he were to fight them. All he has to do is wait for them to become solid then attack them. It's just that the normal people aren't fast enough to do so. I really liked what they had to add to the movie personally.

[frozenstar]

Originally posted by MacBandit
All he has to do is wait for them to become solid then attack them.

And all they have to do is stay non-solid until he's not looking.


There's really no point in applying logic to a movie written by people that don't care about logic themselves.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by frozenstar
And all they have to do is stay non-solid until he's not looking.


There's really no point in applying logic to a movie written by people that don't care about logic themselves.

I think your wrong. As seen in many many fight sequences Neo doesn't have to be looking to know what's going on behind him.

Also I think there is a lot of logic used in the whole movie it's just that there are loose ends left behind in the second movie which would make it appear as though they tossed logic to the side. I think you will see it all come back together and it will all make since come the last half of Reloaded which they are calling Revolutions.

[frozenstar]

Originally posted by MacBandit
I think your wrong. As seen in many many fight sequences Neo doesn't have to be looking to know what's going on behind him.

Also I think there is a lot of logic used in the whole movie it's just that there are loose ends left behind in the second movie which would make it appear as though they tossed logic to the side. I think you will see it all come back together and it will all make since come the last half of Reloaded which they are calling Revolutions.

Come on. You're telling me that 100 agents, who can process information at a rate many magnitudes faster than a human being, aren't able to tackle one measly individual?

Both the programs and the humans can bend the rules, but Neo in specific is able to bend them more? Please tell me how a human being that is a subject of the system is able bend the rules more than the programs that actually created it?

The Matrix is just not pure sci-fi, and by that I mean, logic is not a priority.

On a side note.... I loved the first Matrix, and hated the second one.

[frozenstar]

Oh, and another thing...

Programs in exile? Seriously... that's just stupid.

They really should have gotten someone with a computer science degree to read the script first.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by frozenstar
Come on. You're telling me that 100 agents, who can process information at a rate many magnitudes faster than a human being, aren't able to tackle one measly individual?

Both the programs and the humans can bend the rules, but Neo in specific is able to bend them more? Please tell me how a human being that is a subject of the system is able bend the rules more than the programs that actually created it?

The Matrix is just not pure sci-fi, and by that I mean, logic is not a priority.

On a side note.... I loved the first Matrix, and hated the second one.

You forget that for every person in the Matrix they also have to have a program that was created for them. That is the whole point of Reloaded to explain the creation of the code created for each individual and explain why the code that was created for Neo is so much different then anyone elses. He was written to be better. Also the agents are written to operate within a designed peramater also but since it doesn't allow for creativity and the such and is also less powerful then Neo's code they will lose in every fight they have with him. The only exception is Smith who has aquired a bit of Neo's code within his own and has aquired new abilities.

You just aren't seeing the whole picture. That's okay. Just take some more time to evaluate it before jumping to conclussions. The whole thing is very precise in it's logic. That's what they point out in Reloaded. Every thing is written for a purpose.

[frozenstar]

Originally posted by MacBandit
You forget that for every person in the Matrix they also have to have a program that was created for them. That is the whole point of Reloaded to explain the creation of the code created for each individual and explain why the code that was created for Neo is so much different then anyone elses. He was written to be better. Also the agents are written to operate within a designed peramater also but since it doesn't allow for creativity and the such and is also less powerful then Neo's code they will lose in every fight they have with him. The only exception is Smith who has aquired a bit of Neo's code within his own and has aquired new abilities.

You just aren't seeing the whole picture. That's okay. Just take some more time to evaluate it before jumping to conclussions. The whole thing is very precise in it's logic. That's what they point out in Reloaded. Every thing is written for a purpose.

But you're using Matrix logic to argue your points. That's cheating. You have to use mathematical logic for this argument to work.
As a comp-sci major, it's pretty clear to me that science was not a major factor in determining how the Matrix is supposed to work. That's fine though, because like I said, the movie is not pure sci-fi.

[yzedf]

You just aren't seeing the whole picture. That's okay. Just take some more time to evaluate it before jumping to conclussions. The whole thing is very precise in it's logic. That's what they point out in Reloaded. Every thing is written for a purpose.
Dude... calm down, it's just a movie ;)

If that is so, and Neo can do the EMP thing while "unplugged" then maybe what they percieve as reality isn't.

As an aside, here is an interesting read wrt EMP:

http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrg/empweap.html

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by yzedf
Dude... calm down, it's just a movie ;)

If that is so, and Neo can do the EMP thing while "unplugged" then maybe what they percieve as reality isn't.

As an aside, here is an interesting read wrt EMP:

http://www.eskimo.com/~bilb/freenrg/empweap.html

I'm not worked up I'm just trying to explain my point of view. I don't think he developed EMP as if that was the case based on the first movie there would have been a visible field sweeping out from him and that was not the case. I truly believe that he sent a command remotely to the networks that control the Sentinels commanding them to stop.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by frozenstar
But you're using Matrix logic to argue your points. That's cheating. You have to use mathematical logic for this argument to work.
As a comp-sci major, it's pretty clear to me that science was not a major factor in determining how the Matrix is supposed to work. That's fine though, because like I said, the movie is not pure sci-fi.

I understand your point and no basically everything outside of the Matrix is unrealistic. As we know anything is possible while within the Matrix so logic doesn't really apply there. As a Geology major I can tell you conclusively that there are no limestone caves near the center of the earth or even deep within the earth. Also those people wouldn't have been raving quite so hard that near to open lava. They would have all been dead due to the toxic gases being given off.

[Gymnut]

Maybe the new Macs released this summer will have touch screens too!

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Gymnut
Maybe the new Macs released this summer will have touch screens too!

Huh, what is this in reference to? Maybe a post into a wrong thread?

[Anna]

This movie rocked! The fights were better and there is more action than the first. The Larry and Andy definately have got it right. Unfortunately it was a cliff-hanger which means i will be off to see it in Nov. On the CD soundtrack there is a Snow iMac featured in an interview...very impressive!:D and another thing to note...it is all in QT!

[Haberdasher]

Originally posted by Anna
This movie rocked! The fights were better and there is more action than the first. The Larry and Andy definately have got it right. Unfortunately it was a cliff-hanger which means i will be off to see it in Nov. On the CD soundtrack there is a Snow iMac featured in an interview...very impressive!:D and another thing to note...it is all in QT!

Go to the Matrix website, and go to their Quicktime VR panoramas- the Le Vrai Kitchen Office has a 17 inch flatscreen. (Don't correct me about size, flatscreen, etc...this is my guess, I haven't looked at Apple's monitor's in forever)