Apple to Sell TiVo's?

[MacRumors]

One reader notes:

In TiVo's quarterly financial call yesterday, it was mentioned that Apple will begin selling TiVos in some of its retail stores.


TiVo announced (http://news.com.com/2100-1047-1009347.html) their results yesterday, with better than expected numbers. TiVo's Home Media Option allows the sharing of songs and photos with your computer and provides Mac support.

[agreenster]

Man thats weird. I wish Apple would develop their own version, or work with TiVo to that everything can be controlled via your mac. Id love to have my Powerbook be the center of my home entertainment system.

[Grimace]

I say stay pure with apple stuff.

[Sonofhaig]

TiVo's Home Media Option allows the sharing of songs and photos with your computer and provides Mac support.

Isn't this product for recording TV broadcasts?

[psxndc]

I hope this will lead to further collaboration at the product level... splooge.

-p

[dynamicd]

Originally posted by Sonofhaig
TiVo's Home Media Option allows the sharing of songs and photos with your computer and provides Mac support.

Isn't this product for recording TV broadcasts?

Originally it was for just recording TV broadcasts, but I believe that they expanded to other features, like the fore-mentioned Media Option. Not completely sure though.

[szark]

Originally posted by Sonofhaig
TiVo's Home Media Option allows the sharing of songs and photos with your computer and provides Mac support.

Isn't this product for recording TV broadcasts?

The Home Media Option allows your photos to be viewed on your TV, and your songs to be played through your TV sound system.

[NitzerX]

This is could be wicked cool. Who's hardware are they going to sell? TiVo doesn't build any itself. Hmmm... :cool:

[Le Big Mac]

Originally posted by psxndc
I hope this will lead to further collaboration at the product level... splooge.

-p

That's where I see the benefit. Sure, we'd love it to be an Apple machine, but why have the company get distracted with things that aren't its core business.

What's much more important is that it suggests the two companies will cooperate, so the products will work together. THat's great, since usually stuff like this works only with windoze junk.

[macquariumguy]

Hopefully this means the TiVo HMO will soon support AAC (right now it's MP3 only).

For me, it's a moot point. I have a Series I TiVo standalone, which doesn't do HMO, and I have a Series 2 DirecTiVo, which also doesn't do HMO.

I would LOVE to see Apple just buy TiVo.

[lmalave]

Originally posted by carletonmusic
I say stay pure with apple stuff.

Apple retail stores already sell EyeTV, why not Tivo? After all, Tivo is a great showcase for Rendezvous integration...

[AidenShaw]

Interesting set of requirements:

Mac: OS X 10.2, 400MHz G3, 256MB, iTunes 3.0.1

PC: Win98/WinME/Win2K/WinXP, 233MHz PII, 64MB

[dth21]

Originally posted by NitzerX
This is could be wicked cool. Who's hardware are they going to sell? TiVo doesn't build any itself. Hmmm... :cool:

TiVo licenses its technology and manufactures its own Series 2 hardware.

http://www.tivo.com/

[rogermhsu]

This is could be wicked cool. Who's hardware are they going to sell? TiVo doesn't build any itself. Hmmm...

Actually, TiVo does make their own hardware. In addition, many of the largest consumer electronics companies make set-top boxes that contain TiVo functionality. One of the largest manufacturers of TiVo-enabled set-top boxes is Hughes who makes an integrated DirecTV/TiVo set-top box (it is a totally awesome product!). Other manufacturers include Sony, Philips, and perhaps some others that I can't think of right now.

[MorganX]

Isn't Tivo subscription based? I don't think it will see any more success than it already has.

It's good that Apple is willing to work with others' technology, but I think they could have found something more cutting edge, than Tivo.

[macgenerate]

I wondered why I saw Tivo's sitting on the floor at the Columbus, Oh Apple Store last Tuesday. Now I know... There were only 2 or 3 tivo boxes and they weren't really displayed well, actually they were sitting under one of the computer counters.. but they were there, I actually almost bought one.

Anyway, just though I would post my observation.

[fixyourthinking]

Originally posted by NitzerX
This is could be wicked cool. Who's hardware are they going to sell? TiVo doesn't build any itself. Hmmm... :cool:

They probably will go with Philips since the two are partner on Rendezvous for future products.;)

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by carletonmusic
I say stay pure with apple stuff.

like many mice that are cross platform?

or non apple software?

sure, it would work with the mac i'd say... but i think this is a decent indication that perhaps there will be some connection between the two sometime in the future, if not very soon.

[NavyIntel007]

This is great... the more hardware manufacturers that open up the compatability with Apple will only lead to good things. That means people won't sit on the fence and say "well I can't buy an apple because it doesn't work with my tivo." Plus I think it works good for tivo because they may sell more products to people who have both PCs and macs.

[rogermhsu]

Isn't Tivo subscription based? I don't think it will see any more success than it already has.

Yes, TiVo is generally subscription based. I say generally because you can get it for free if you get the high-end DirecTV channel package. Otherwise, it costs $5/month with any other DirecTV package. I think it costs $12.95/month with cable.

In terms of success, I think they can be very successful. Their most recent quarterly results showed very strong growth. And if you've ever used TiVo, you'd likely agree that they have a very compelling product. It's somewhat hard to convey exactly what the product does, but once you've used it, you'll never want to go back to watching "regular" TV.

[Foxer]

Originally posted by carletonmusic
I say stay pure with apple stuff.

Thay sell all those digital cameras and speakers.

[bbarnhart]

Originally posted by MorganX
Isn't Tivo subscription based? I don't think it will see any more success than it already has.


You must have missed the link about Tivo's most recent quarter. Again, cnet news.com has Tivo's 1Q results (http://news.com.com/2100-1047-1009347.html).

[Hawthorne]

Now, if only we could get the recorded TV shows off of the TiVo and onto my Mac. As I understand, you can hack a Series 1 box to do that, I believe, but not a Series 2.

[Styx]

Let me clarify a few things that may have been mistakenly posted:

I have a TiVo series 2 DVR and the Home Media Option (HMO). Here is the scoop.

- records TV shows
- pauses live TV
- connects to home network through USB to Ethernet adapter (either wired or wireless)
- it is not Rendezvous, yet! You have to configure settings manually.
- displays pictures from iPhoto libraries (w/ HMO)
- plays iTunes playlists (w/HMO, but only MP3's. It does not currently support AAC files as purchased on iTunes Music Store, bummer!)
- It can be a subscription service if you wish it to be at $12.95 per month, or buy a single lifetime membership for $299.
- Home Media Option (which gives you the iPhoto and iTunes functionality as well as remote access from the web) costs at a cost of $99, a one time fee.

If you were to make a home entertainment purchase this year, this is the one to make. It will revolutionize the way you watch TV and bring your music and photos to the big screen!

[maxvamp]

Interesting set of requirements:

Mac: OS X 10.2, 400MHz G3, 256MB, iTunes 3.0.1

PC: Win98/WinME/Win2K/WinXP, 233MHz PII, 64MB



I personally shudder at the thought of trying to do anything on a PII 233 w/ 64MB of RAM running XP. I have used such a system, and I seriously doubt it would come close to doing anything you want.

At least on the Mac specs. There is enough memory to allow the OS to work.

I wouldn't try to run this app on either set of minimum speed machines, and if I did, my money would be on the Mac to out perform.

Max

[ennerseed]

Originally posted by Le Big Mac
Sure, we'd love it to be an Apple machine, but why have the company get distracted with things that aren't its core business.

Well if they were going to stop working on the PowerMac to develop this, yes it would be bad.
The more products that Apple can create/integrate into their "digital hub" the better. The digital hub is Apple's main marketability at this point. If Tivo doesn't work, or integrate well, that is one "digital hub bullet" in Apple's back. -Apple needs not to be shot, and to have a full revolver ready for people who won't integrate with Apple.-

take the revolver analogy for what it is.

[2COOL4SCHOOL]

Originally posted by ennerseed
Well if they were going to stop working on the PowerMac to develop this, yes it would be bad.
The more products that Apple can create/integrate into their "digital hub" the better. The digital hub is Apple's main marketability at this point. If Tivo doesn't work, or integrate well, that is one "digital hub bullet" in Apple's back. -Apple needs not to be shot, and to have a full revolver ready for people who won't integrate with Apple.-

take the revolver analogy for what it is.

I agree. They made the ipod (not a core business) a big hit. They need to do the same for PVR (and the PDA, I miss the Newton).

If anyone does not have a Tivo, get one. Replay TV is just as good. Both are easy to upgrade w/your own hard drive and operate on Linux.
Eye TV is great on the Mac but harder to use w/a regular TV.

If Apple could come up with something like the MOXI BOX where a little receiver pluged into the tv and was fed wireless video from the Mac, that would be fine too.

[mdntcallr]

What i really want is a video ipod you can take with you where you can bring shows you taped on tivo and watch them on the train or on a tv elsewhere.
this and the functionality to burn shows or recordings you like on to DVD on your mac.

this i would totally love.

Love tivo, hope they take advantage of rendezvous.

Mitch

[Styx]

I don't think Apple would be wise to run against TiVo as it has an established base and name recognition in the market.

Apple would be better off purchasing TiVo as a bridge to center eventually centering the digital hub strategy where it will eventually end up - the TV and not the PC.

TiVo would be a relatively cheap acquisition in the grander scheme of things and Apple has the capital to make this purchase without hurting their reserves.

This would give Apple a much value added service to their digital lifestyle products.

The only thing that Apple may have stumbling blocks over, however minor as thy may be, are licensing issues.

[Frobozz]

... when will I be able to play my recently purchased mp4 AAC files on my TiVo? :-) Everything else works like a charm.

[AidenShaw]

Originally posted by maxvamp
I personally shudder at the thought of trying to do anything on a PII 233 w/ 64MB of RAM running XP.

Sorry, I should have said that I thought that the "interesting" part was that Windows systems as old as Win98 are compatible with the software. One application, runs on 4 operating systems in 2 completely different families.

And Win98 on a PII/233/64 isn't that unreasonable. ;)

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by rogermhsu
Isn't Tivo subscription based? I don't think it will see any more success than it already has.

Yes, TiVo is generally subscription based. I say generally because you can get it for free if you get the high-end DirecTV channel package. Otherwise, it costs $5/month with any other DirecTV package. I think it costs $12.95/month with cable.


Or free with Dish ($20 setup fee IIRC, but no per-month) ... One of the only good things about Dish ...


In terms of success, I think they can be very successful. Their most recent quarterly results showed very strong growth. And if you've ever used TiVo, you'd likely agree that they have a very compelling product. It's somewhat hard to convey exactly what the product does, but once you've used it, you'll never want to go back to watching "regular" TV.

IMHO, they stand a good chance. They indeed have a compelling, "once you try it you can't go back" product, and many features which can be added (exporting to other video gear/computers, DVD archiving, you name it ...) which gives them viability for some time to come before they hit commodity-ville. They've already fended off some heavy-hitter competition (Replay/Diamond/SonicBlue/whatever and MS), so, yeah, I'd say their future is fairly bright as a growth-stage company.

[Freg3000]

Why not sell them? Plop a few in the Apple Store and sell a few. The TIVO actually works well with the Mac, and Apple should promote that.

[fpnc]

I was a big TiVo fan until just recently, but I have recently seen the future of cable TV and potentially the beginning of the end for TiVo (or at least that their "glory" days may be over). I recently upgraded my cable TV subscription to "digital" cable and as a bundle with my cable modem they offer a digital video recorder (DVR) option for only $6 per month. This cable DVR box really makes the TiVo look pretty bad. First off, the record quality is absolutely perfect whereas analog TiVo recording is only about video tape quality (or worse). Since I have digital cable service they just record the MPEG2 signal directly off of the "wire" so you don't see any degradation in the recorded programming. Second, the cable DVR is able to record two different channels simultaneously whereas analog TiVo service only does one channel. This also means you can watch/delay/pause one channel while you record another. Third, you get a huge amount of recording time, up to 50 hours from digital sources. Forth, the continuous or "live" recording loop is one hour while TiVo only does 30 minutes. Finally, the Scientific Atlanta DVR that comes from my cable company has digital audio, USB, and Firewire ports. Right now the digital audio output is the only port that works, but they say that the USB and Firewire ports will support future options (probably only digital input, I doubt they will allow you to transfer/copy material from the DVR to another device).

In any case, this new DVR has completely replaced my TiVo unit and service. If you have digital satellite TV then I'm fairly certain that you can get a TiVo (DirectTV) DVR that has features that are similar to the above. However, if you have cable TV and can get digital service then I see no need for a TiVo as the digital cable service is both dramatically better and cheaper than using a TiVo.

I guess if you can only get analog TV service then TiVo is still a nice option, but if you use cable then I think TiVo's days may be numbered since the future of cable is digital and the cable companies are going to control what devices can be connected to the service.

[mislabeledstar]

you think they'll put a 970 in the new tivo's?

[Cappy]

This could end up very interesting. I just stated the other day in a different thread that I was waiting for Apple to come out with some sort of itunes box that connected to the stereo. A tivo with some sort of upgrade could fit this exactly and I think tivo would have to be drooling at this prospect because now they appeal more to the audio consumers than ever before.

[Cabrewolf]

Originally posted by fpnc
I was a big TiVo fan until just recently, but I have recently seen the future of cable TV and potentially the beginning of the end for TiVo (or at least that their "glory" days may be over). I recently upgraded my cable TV subscription to "digital" cable and as a bundle with my cable modem they offer a digital video recorder (DVR) option for only $6 per month. This cable DVR box really makes the TiVo look pretty bad. First off, the record quality is absolutely perfect whereas analog TiVo recording is only about video tape quality (or worse). Since I have digital cable service they just record the MPEG2 signal directly off of the "wire" so you don't see any degradation in the recorded programming. Second, the cable DVR is able to record two different channels simultaneously whereas analog TiVo service only does one channel. This also means you can watch/delay/pause one channel while you record another. Third, you get a huge amount of recording time, up to 50 hours from digital sources. Forth, the continuous or "live" recording loop is one hour while TiVo only does 30 minutes. Finally, the Scientific Atlanta DVR that comes from my cable company has digital audio, USB, and Firewire ports. Right now the digital audio output is the only port that works, but they say that the USB and Firewire ports will support future options (probably only digital input, I doubt they will allow you to transfer/copy material from the DVR to another device).

In any case, this new DVR has completely replaced my TiVo unit and service. If you have digital satellite TV then I'm fairly certain that you can get a TiVo (DirectTV) DVR that has features that are similar to the above. However, if you have cable TV and can get digital service then I see no need for a TiVo as the digital cable service is both dramatically better and cheaper than using a TiVo.

I guess if you can only get analog TV service then TiVo is still a nice option, but if you use cable then I think TiVo's days may be numbered since the future of cable is digital and the cable companies are going to control what devices can be connected to the service.

The problem with this is that the cable companies thrive off of the advertisements. What you don't know is that the DVR you have will soon not be able to skip commercials, and will evolve into a means for providing you with even more advertisements than you already have. Right now this feature is disabled so that it can compete with Tivo and others, but not for long. Tivo's gratest future advantage is its freedom from the controle of the ones that want you to watch commercials.

wolf

[kansast]

Originally posted by Styx

If you were to make a home entertainment purchase this year, this is the one to make. It will revolutionize the way you watch TV and bring your music and photos to the big screen!

I've been thinking of getting one of these.. my wish.. is that something like TIVO could act like my iTunes.. in that I have EVERY bit of my music from all CDs and Albums etc.. in my iTunes catalog. I wish I could have something like TIVO which could also hold ALL of my DVD purchases etc.. quick easy access just like iTunes.

[Chisholm]

I have 2 Ultimate TV's (microsoft yuckieness) and they have been great up until recently when 1 of them died. I replaced it with a DirecTiVo from Hughes. There is no comparison in quality, the Ultimate TV is better in so many respects. The GUI of the Tivo is glossy in comparison, but requires more work to operate. I've only had the TiVo for about six weeks now and they're sending me a new one cuz this one is having hard drive problems.

Is it my imagination or doesn't the TiVo use a PowerPC processor?

I think if anything can be the TiVo death nail it'll be its ability or lack there of to record HDTV. I read somewhere in Home Theater Magazine that HDTV takes like 25MB per second to record.

Y'all remember Apple's last attemt at a set top box?

cheers!
John

[mactastic]

It would be nice if they just made it airport extreme ready and/or 10/100 ethernet instead of a usb to ethernet. Make it wireless for us 'book users. IP over firewire would be cool too. And I would like to just have it function as a total input/output for my entire system, amp, components, monitor. That would be a sweet connection for the center of my digital life.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by fpnc
I was a big TiVo fan until just recently, but I have recently seen the future of cable TV and potentially the beginning of the end for TiVo (or at least that their "glory" days may be over). I recently upgraded my cable TV subscription to "digital" cable and as a bundle with my cable modem they offer a digital video recorder (DVR) option for only $6 per month. This cable DVR box really makes the TiVo look pretty bad. First off, the record quality is absolutely perfect whereas analog TiVo recording is only about video tape quality (or worse). Since I have digital cable service they just record the MPEG2 signal directly off of the "wire" so you don't see any degradation in the recorded programming. Second, the cable DVR is able to record two different channels simultaneously whereas analog TiVo service only does one channel. This also means you can watch/delay/pause one channel while you record another. Third, you get a huge amount of recording time, up to 50 hours from digital sources. Forth, the continuous or "live" recording loop is one hour while TiVo only does 30 minutes. Finally, the Scientific Atlanta DVR that comes from my cable company has digital audio, USB, and Firewire ports. Right now the digital audio output is the only port that works, but they say that the USB and Firewire ports will support future options (probably only digital input, I doubt they will allow you to transfer/copy material from the DVR to another device).

In any case, this new DVR has completely replaced my TiVo unit and service. If you have digital satellite TV then I'm fairly certain that you can get a TiVo (DirectTV) DVR that has features that are similar to the above. However, if you have cable TV and can get digital service then I see no need for a TiVo as the digital cable service is both dramatically better and cheaper than using a TiVo.

I guess if you can only get analog TV service then TiVo is still a nice option, but if you use cable then I think TiVo's days may be numbered since the future of cable is digital and the cable companies are going to control what devices can be connected to the service.

This is the same type of service you get if you have a DirecTV/Tivo. It's all digital and has excellent video quality (just a side note the DirecTV/Tivo version 1 has better record quality then version 2). Also with the Dish I have Dolby Digital surround with optical out. I can also record 2 channels simultaneously while watching a previously recorded show if I choose. The big kicker is that I get all the digital channels that Cable provides and two receivers and a Tivo subscription for $45 a month. That's $40 less a month then the local Digital Cable subscriber supplies for the exact same thing. Also they still don't have Dolby Digital output in my area on the Cable system. You do get a one hour recording loop but that hasn't been an issue for me since I rarely watch live programming any more.

[fred_garvin]

The integrated directTv/Tivo box has all the features quoted for digital cable and has been out for a long time. Tivo announced in January that HDTV Tivo will be ready towards the end of the year. If you have direcTivo the MPEG2 stream from the dish goes right to the HD, and gives you simultaneous two channel recording. The standalone tivo has to encode the signal, and unfortunately only can record one channel at a time. I have a standalone series 2 tivo with lifetime service. The picture quality off direct tv is very good. My total choice package with local channels is only $39.99. My old analog cable started at $20, and kept creeping up until it hit $45. The digital package easily hits $60-$70. Plus, NFL Sunday Ticket is only on DirecTV.

Tivo is a LinuxPPC box. I'd imagine that they'll use MPEG4 instead of 2 for the HDTV model. Probably would need a 200Gig hard drive in the base model. Anyone have any clue how many hours of HD video could be stored with such a setup?

[fpnc]

Originally posted by Cabrewolf
The problem with this is that the cable companies thrive off of the advertisements. What you don't know is that the DVR you have will soon not be able to skip commercials, and will evolve into a means for providing you with even more advertisements than you already have. Right now this feature is disabled so that it can compete with Tivo and others, but not for long. Tivo's gratest future advantage is its freedom from the controle of the ones that want you to watch commercials.

wolf

I'm not certain that what you say is true. In any case if that does happen then all I have to do is drop the cable DVR service since my only investment is the $6/month fee. I've been a TiVo user for over four years and frankly I'm somewhat unhappy about their rate (or lack of) improvement over the years. From what I've read the Series 2 TiVo doesn't offer many improvements over the original. In fact my two biggest complaints (poor video quality and inability to record/view two channels at once) have not been addressed at all with the Series 2.

I really like DVRs and I hope TiVo will introduce some improved products very soon (unlikely, I think). But I'm beginning to wonder whether their slow rate of improvement may be an indication of a unsustainable or flawed business model. They also have to be worried about the new DVD recorders, which are beginning to offer DVR-like features.

In any case, I think it would be a very bad idea for Apple to purchase TiVo. Unless if was very cheap, as I think the only thing they would gain is the TiVo brand name (for whatever that is worth, or may be worth in the future).

[Anne]

Don't know much about the technical or business aspects of all of this, but as a huge TiVo and a huge Apple fan, the idea of a collaboration is absolutely poetic. Both companies have great products that are underrated or dismissed by people who haven't tried them, but often make quick converts of the people who do try them. It's just beautiful. And I consider both comapnies to be very mindful of making products designed for what the average non-technophile needs and wants. Simple, elegant pieces of technology that just make your life a lot happier and easier. yay!

[Cabrewolf]

TIVO IS FOR SALE NOW AT APPLE STORE.

I went to an apple store today on my way to dinner at the biltmore in phoenix. When I asked the manager if he had herd anything about our little rumor he said he could sell me one now. He then showed me the boxes, He just did not have them on display as of yet, they had come in earlier the same day.

Wolf

[Foxer]

Originally posted by fpnc
I was a big TiVo fan until just recently, but I have recently seen the future of cable TV and potentially the beginning of the end for TiVo (or at least that their "glory" days may be over). I recently upgraded my cable TV subscription to "digital" cable and as a bundle with my cable modem they offer a digital video recorder (DVR) option for only $6 per month. This cable DVR box really makes the TiVo look pretty bad. First off, the record quality is absolutely perfect whereas analog TiVo recording is only about video tape quality (or worse). Since I have digital cable service they just record the MPEG2 signal directly off of the "wire" so you don't see any degradation in the recorded programming. Second, the cable DVR is able to record two different channels simultaneously whereas analog TiVo service only does one channel. This also means you can watch/delay/pause one channel while you record another. Third, you get a huge amount of recording time, up to 50 hours from digital sources. Forth, the continuous or "live" recording loop is one hour while TiVo only does 30 minutes. Finally, the Scientific Atlanta DVR that comes from my cable company has digital audio, USB, and Firewire ports. Right now the digital audio output is the only port that works, but they say that the USB and Firewire ports will support future options (probably only digital input, I doubt they will allow you to transfer/copy material from the DVR to another device).

In any case, this new DVR has completely replaced my TiVo unit and service. If you have digital satellite TV then I'm fairly certain that you can get a TiVo (DirectTV) DVR that has features that are similar to the above. However, if you have cable TV and can get digital service then I see no need for a TiVo as the digital cable service is both dramatically better and cheaper than using a TiVo.

I guess if you can only get analog TV service then TiVo is still a nice option, but if you use cable then I think TiVo's days may be numbered since the future of cable is digital and the cable companies are going to control what devices can be connected to the service.

Of course, the catch with this is that you have to keep your cable...:D

I've been using the TiVo series 1/DirecTV combo for 1 1/2 years and i love it. One day I'll drop the dime on a series 2 combo, just to see the HMO with my Mac, but since the mac already runs into the same sound system, I don't see any advantage to listening to iTunes with TiVo as a middleman.

TiVi is the best, makes everything easier, and i actuall watch LESS TV than before, which makes me feel better. And the TV I do watch is more rewarding, for lack of a better word.

As for those who would have Apple buy TiVo, I think DirecTV bought them sometime in the past year, which means that they will fall within Ruppert Murdoch's realm. Maybe he'll be interested in spinning it off, but don't count on it. nonetheless, probably helps to insure the service's survivability.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Foxer
Of course, the catch with this is that you have to keep your cable...:D

I've been using the TiVo series 1/DirecTV combo for 1 1/2 years and i love it. One day I'll drop the dime on a series 2 combo, just to see the HMO with my Mac, but since the mac already runs into the same sound system, I don't see any advantage to listening to iTunes with TiVo as a middleman.

TiVi is the best, makes everything easier, and i actuall watch LESS TV than before, which makes me feel better. And the TV I do watch is more rewarding, for lack of a better word.

As for those who would have Apple buy TiVo, I think DirecTV bought them sometime in the past year, which means that they will fall within Ruppert Murdoch's realm. Maybe he'll be interested in spinning it off, but don't count on it. nonetheless, probably helps to insure the service's survivability.

You can actually install a network card in your Tivo Series 1 or DirecTV/Tivo. There is a place for it on the board. This will enable it to work with the Tivo Home software though there are better ways of doing it using 3rd party software.

I'm pretty sure that Tivo is still a stand alone company not owned by any big coporation.

[grimjim]

I don't think that putting a network card in your Series 1 TiVo will allow you to use the HMO stuff. I think that this is only available on the later machines. I have a Series 1 box with a network card, which means that I can telnet to the TiVo just like any other Unix box on my network. I have installed the TiVo Web stuff, and I can control the TiVo remotely. It's much easier to drive it wirelessly from my iPaq than to use the remote. HMO requires the Series 2 TiVo, though, I think, which is quite a different beastie.
I'd love to see Apple licence the TiVo technology and integrate it into the Digital Hub. I'm sure that they could make it so easy to use that it would become a compelling reason to buy a Mac.
Having said that, I don't think that will happen. I think that all we have here is Apple reselling a piece of hardware that can be attached to Macs. They resell Kensington security kits too, but that doesn't mean that they are going to buy the company.

[Trekkie]

Speaking as someone who owns multiple TiVos, and Multiple OS X Machines. This rocks.

I wondered why my new Apple Music wasn't showing up, didn't think about the new format.

It is well worth the investment adn will change the way you watch TV. And TiVo is a lot like the Mac in that it 'just works'

I bought the HMO the instant it came out back in April. I can play my iTunes and view my iPhotos on my 57" Big screen with 5.1 Surround. I put all my CDs away out of my two 400 disc changers. I'm seriously thinking about selling them on eBay

[Dr Zaius]

Tivo in CANADA!:p

[AidenShaw]

Originally posted by Trekkie
I put all my CDs away out of my two 400 disc changers. I'm seriously thinking about selling them on eBay

If you sell the discs as well as the changers, you'd need to delete all your MP3s or other files ripped from them.

"Fair Use" covers music that you "own" - if you sell the CDs you no longer have a fair use right to the music.

[rog]

Hopefull if Apple develops closer ties with TiVo we'll see the following. AAC support with the home media option. And home media option support for the DirecTv-TiVo combo unit like I have.

[Illmatic]

A friend of mine just bought a ReplayTV and has been burning all the Seinfeld episodes he records onto DVD. The only drawback in my opinion is that it takes like 8 hours to convert back and forth from MPEG-2 to DV to MPEG-2...plus for some reason there are black bars on the top on side of the picture when it is imported into Final Cut so he has to run a distort filter and drag out the corners of the picture to eliminate the bars. I have been seriously considering buying a TiVo or ReplayTV, but am turned away because of the pain in the @ss it is to transfer to DVD. Right now i use my Sony MiniDV camcorder as a bridge between my TV and my Mac and record directly in Final Cut and then edit out the commercials. It seems easier and less time consuming, but I hate having to be there to record the shows. So anyways my question is how hard is it to transfer your recorded shows from the TiVo to the Mac to burn onto a DVD, or is it even possible with a TiVo as I think that it is a better machine than a ReplayTV. I just want to stockpile episodes of That 70s Show since it plays 3 different times a day where I live now....damn that show is funny. Anyways if someone can answer my question so I can figure out what in the world I am going to do since ReplayTV is on sale at Best Buy with a $150 rebate.

[richlen]

It seems clear Apple, Inc is moving away from Apple Computer seeing that as only one business of many. It also seems clear the Apple Movie Store isnt far behind. I've been compressing movies using QT/MPEG4 and they look great and are much smaller than DVDs. Right now the software doesnt support burning directly to iDVD but there's no reason it couldnt. Or maybe movie and TV shows can be stored on an iDisk and streamed. Maybe Apple wont buy TiVo but they wouldnt need to.

[Freg3000]

They have now appeared officially in Apple Retail Stores:

http://macminute.com/2003/05/24/tivo

[Trekkie]

Originally posted by AidenShaw
If you sell the discs as well as the changers, you'd need to delete all your MP3s or other files ripped from them.

"Fair Use" covers music that you "own" - if you sell the CDs you no longer have a fair use right to the music.

I was referring to the changers, not the CDs.

[MarkMc]

Originally posted by Illmatic
A friend of mine just bought a ReplayTV and has been burning all the Seinfeld episodes he records onto DVD. The only drawback in my opinion is that it takes like 8 hours to convert back and forth from MPEG-2 to DV to MPEG-2...plus for some reason there are black bars on the top on side of the picture when it is imported into Final Cut so he has to run a distort filter and drag out the corners of the picture to eliminate the bars. I have been seriously considering buying a TiVo or ReplayTV, but am turned away because of the pain in the @ss it is to transfer to DVD. Right now i use my Sony MiniDV camcorder as a bridge between my TV and my Mac and record directly in Final Cut and then edit out the commercials. It seems easier and less time consuming, but I hate having to be there to record the shows. So anyways my question is how hard is it to transfer your recorded shows from the TiVo to the Mac to burn onto a DVD, or is it even possible with a TiVo as I think that it is a better machine than a ReplayTV. I just want to stockpile episodes of That 70s Show since it plays 3 different times a day where I live now....damn that show is funny. Anyways if someone can answer my question so I can figure out what in the world I am going to do since ReplayTV is on sale at Best Buy with a $150 rebate.

Have you considered the EyeTV? It will record, let you edit out the commercials, and prepare it for burning to VideoCD with Toast. The quality is OK and it will save you several hours of encoding and re-encoding.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by grimjim
I don't think that putting a network card in your Series 1 TiVo will allow you to use the HMO stuff. I think that this is only available on the later machines. I have a Series 1 box with a network card, which means that I can telnet to the TiVo just like any other Unix box on my network. I have installed the TiVo Web stuff, and I can control the TiVo remotely. It's much easier to drive it wirelessly from my iPaq than to use the remote. HMO requires the Series 2 TiVo, though, I think, which is quite a different beastie.
I'd love to see Apple licence the TiVo technology and integrate it into the Digital Hub. I'm sure that they could make it so easy to use that it would become a compelling reason to buy a Mac.
Having said that, I don't think that will happen. I think that all we have here is Apple reselling a piece of hardware that can be attached to Macs. They resell Kensington security kits too, but that doesn't mean that they are going to buy the company.

I was thinking there was a third party commecial program to set up the tivo so you stream video and photos through it to the tv. Turns out I was thinking of www.broadq.com for the Playstation 2. In any case there are most likely hacks available already to let you use TiVo HMO with the series 1. I'm not that interested in that ability since I can do the same thing with my PS2 for a one time fee of $50 rather then a repeating service fee.

I know this is a different topic but I would rather get the video off of the Tivo rather then try to stream thing through it. Looks like it's getting easier and easier to get the video off every day. It looks like all the programs you need are available at Versiontracker.com and there are several help files by doing a google search. Here's a good one I came up with right off.

http://www.fajkowski.com/tivo/