Unreal Tournament OS X Port

[MacRumors]

InsideMacGames (http://www.insidemacgames.com/news/story.php?ID=7722) is reporting that Ryan Gordon is going to pickup where Glenda Adams left off with the OS X port of the original Unreal Tournament. (Not to be confused with Unreal Tournament 2003 -- which is to be shipping shortly.)

The following is quoted from an Interview (http://www.macradio.com/monday/) (The Gamestone Mac) with Mr. Gordon:

We're going to take [Westlake's] codebase, I'm going to look at what we have for the Linux codebase that Loki did for Unreal Tournament, which has been merged into UTPG's code repository—I'm going to take that, I'm going to take what Glenda gave me, I'm going to see what's what, and I'm going to get a Mac OS X version of it done—get it done, finished, and correct.

[bousozoku]

That's the best news I've had for weeks. :) Maybe it will end up better than the original.

[Veldek]

Is there a need for this game, now that we have a newer version? Perhaps any mods availabe, that are cool?

[arn]

Originally posted by Veldek
Is there a need for this game, now that we have a newer version? Perhaps any mods availabe, that are cool?

Some people still like it.... it's still a very good game - even though 2003 is out.

Personally, I'm a big fan of Facing Worlds CTF.

arn

[_The_Man_]

Personaly I prefer the old Unreal to the new one. I'm already playing the old Unreal on OS X, so what's the point of porting it. Mine is probably some kind of mod and not a real port but hey, as long as it's working.

[SumDumGuy]

Great news! Even though UT2003 (demo) is fun, I still like the original better. Maybe when the full version of UT2003 comes out it will change my mind.

First an OS X version of Myth II:Soulblighter and now an OS X version of UT....I can already hear myself saying "So much time wasted..."

[Vonnie]

Originally posted by Veldek
Is there a need for this game, now that we have a newer version? Perhaps any mods availabe, that are cool?

It's faster, and imo it's more fun.

[Stelliform]

This is great news! I am a rabid fan of Jailbreak. (http://www.planetjailbreak.com) The jailbreak guys are working on the ut2k3 Mod, but it isn't ready yet.

I personally think only the sounds needs some fixing in Glenda's version.

I wonder if we will have to buy the OS X version?

[nagromme]

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[nagromme]

There's a huge need for this.

First of all UT plays and acts differently from UT2ks--they aren't totally redundant. The original UT is still very popular for multiplayer.

Second, there are HUGE numbers of mods, maps, mutators, and utilities (even Mac ones) for the original UT. In that sense, it currently offers more than UT2k3.

Third and most important, most Macs out there--even those that have or will moved to OS X, CANNOT play UT2k3 very well, it at all. UT2k3 needs a newer-generation video board and a fast machine. UT, on the other hand, still looks great, but plays on "older" machines. Great for all those G4 iMacs and eMacs, PowerBook G4s, less-than-top-end towers, and even iBooks.

My eMac for instance, is pretty poor for UT2k3 Demo, but plays UT just great. (In Classic, anyway--the current OS X beta of UT starts stuttering when the combat starts.)

Thanks, Glenda and Ryan!

Also thanks to Duane Johnson for bringind Descent 3 to OS X! (Beta expected soon, apparently, see macclan.net.)

[mangoman]

Originally posted by arn
Personally, I'm a big fan of Facing Worlds CTF.

arn

You and me both, brother. Perhaps you've met the Muffin man online in years past?

Heh Heh...

:cool:

[mangoman]

Originally posted by Stelliform
I wonder if we will have to buy the OS X version?

Like Ryan said last night during the interview, "Vote with your wallet". That said, if you dig the fact that he made the time, isn't it worth it to shove a few bucks in his pockets? Put it this way, if he puts the OSX port up on the web with a PayPal link, I'll show some love.

mangoman (a.k.a. "Muffin" in OS9's days of UT online)

[Mudbug]

Originally posted by _The_Man_
Personaly I prefer the old Unreal to the new one. I'm already playing the old Unreal on OS X, so what's the point of porting it. Mine is probably some kind of mod and not a real port but hey, as long as it's working.

Would you be so kind as to enlighten us with how? I loved playing the old UT demo in OS9, then quit with my upgrade to X. So I'm too cheap to buy it, but the demo still rocked. I'd love to pick it back up again. I'd have to agree that the 9 version of UT was much quicker/more responsive than the UT2003OSX.

[CrackedButter]

If he wants money lets hope he DOESN'T just use Paypal, i don't trust it and would rather pay with another method, maybe through amazon (they already have my credit card) or through a standard VISA transaction.

[mangoman]

Originally posted by CrackedButter
If he wants money lets hope he DOESN'T just use Paypal, i don't trust it and would rather pay with another method, maybe through amazon (they already have my credit card) or through a standard VISA transaction.

Fair enough.

[_The_Man_]

Well to tell you the truth, I downloaded Unreal as a pirated version. It came with an OS X patch which created another .app file within the folder. It's been working fine, but with glitches when it comes to multiplayer.

[j33pd0g]

Do you know what I'd like? I'd like for some one to come up with some exciting "can't live with out games" for the mac platform. Put some energy into that. Make peecee gamers wait around for the peecee port. I say don't squander any time on old ports when we have the future to look forward to. I wish I knew how to code/program. My roomate was LOL when I told him UT3 is almost out. He said something along the lines of "been there, done that" and who cares 'cause UT4 will be coming soon and it'll have vehicles. We don't even have 3 and the pc gaming community is going to be getting 4. I think the mac platform is much too powerfull to not take advantage of. I think Apple should buy nintendo.

[Chef Ramen]

apple is the nintendo counterpart of the computer world...not as many people have it, but the people that do have it know that its better than everything else

[Jimong5]

Glad to see, mainly for the following:
Ut2k3: 30-50 FPS
UTX: 50-80 FPS
UT9: 70-110
Its no big deal for me,m but for those that have slower comps then my Dual 867, mainly a lot of the Mac LANs my friends have, UT is kinda bad, and one got 3! FPS when they tried 2k3...

[MrMacMan]

Wow, a little damned late, but whatever.

BTW, if you OWN a company, Never, NEVER have a one man (in this case, lady) team porting or devolping a app.

This is the perrrffeecctt example of one person, who, well couldn't get it done.

[mangoman]

Originally posted by MrMacman
Wow, a little damned late, but whatever.

BTW, if you OWN a company, Never, NEVER have a one man (in this case, lady) team porting or devolping a app.

This is the perrrffeecctt example of one person, who, well couldn't get it done.

So, based on your logic, Ryan should stop coding both UT2K3 and the later promised finish up to UT for OSX?

:p

[Silencio]

A good version of UT X is one of the last pieces of the puzzle for getting me into OS X full-time.

I am no great fan of UT2K3 - it feels too much like Quake 3 to my tastes and lacks the balance and subtlety of the weapons from UT. The lightning gun is a poor replacement for the sniper rifle, and the flak cannon and rocket launcher have been totally eviscerated.

UT2K4 doesn't sound much better, honestly: vehicles? Who cares? Don't add bells and whistles until you get playability down cold, which the original UT has in spades.

[nagromme]

Don't pick on Glenda or her former employer for making it a one-person project:... UT OS X was not an official project at all, just her own effort for love of the game. I'm glad she got the project so close to completion, and I'm glad someone is picking it up now.

BTW, I notice that map lists, bot lists, etc. all load MUCH faster in the OS X version. It's very nice that way.

As for vehicles... they can make a very different game, and thus be well worth it. Try Descent 3 if you want to see what the Z-axis adds to a first-person shooter! I might well hold off on UT2k3 and get UT2k4. By then I may have a Mac fast enough!

[ohitsmatthew]

so... um... are there really people who play games on macs? (fecitious)

seriously tho, why would you waste (kind of a harsh word, but whatever) your time gaming on a mac when you can build a pc for like 400-600 bucks that will allow you to not only play games at about the same frame rates (and possibly nicer image quality with anti-aliasing and anistropic filtering) if not higher, and to play games as they come out? how long will it be, if ever, till you guys get the chance to play doom 3 and halflife 2 on a mac? (granted theyll prolly run wonderfully on the new ibm chips, if apple puts a decent video card in any of their machines)... anyway if any of that made sense to anyone, ill be satisfied... because reading it back, it doesnt make sense to me.

but the point is, why arent you just playing games on a low cost gaming pc?

[zigzag]

Doom 3 will be out on Mac first, as id software has stated...


Originally posted by ohitsmatthew
so... um... are there really people who play games on macs? (fecitious)

seriously tho, why would you waste (kind of a harsh word, but whatever) your time gaming on a mac when you can build a pc for like 400-600 bucks that will allow you to not only play games at about the same frame rates (and possibly nicer image quality with anti-aliasing and anistropic filtering) if not higher, and to play games as they come out? how long will it be, if ever, till you guys get the chance to play doom 3 and halflife 2 on a mac? (granted theyll prolly run wonderfully on the new ibm chips, if apple puts a decent video card in any of their machines)... anyway if any of that made sense to anyone, ill be satisfied... because reading it back, it doesnt make sense to me.

but the point is, why arent you just playing games on a low cost gaming pc?

[Perceptes]

Yay! I've been waiting for this for a long time! I thought this project was long forgotten...

[arn]

Originally posted by ohitsmatthew

but the point is, why arent you just playing games on a low cost gaming pc?

For that matter, why not just get a console?

Some people obviously like playing the occasional game, but don't want to spend an addition $600 to do so. If you're a "hardcore" gamer... you probably would get a console or a PC

arn

[ohitsmatthew]

1. if doom 3 is coming out on mac first, why are major pc hardware sites using the latest builds of doom 3 for benchmarking hardware? hmmm... id like to see a build of doom 3 running on a mac.

2. if you have the money to buy a mac (i dont care what you say, if youve bought a new mac in the last 10 years, at the time, it was a considerable investment, it doesnt mean your rich, but it does mean you have money to spend) you can afford to build a gaming pc. and consoles are ridiculous, outdated, and alot of console game developers are crappy, and games are crappy.

and if im being totally retarded, just ignore me, dont even bother replying.

[nagromme]

As most gamers know, Doom III was shown first on the Mac. The first ever demo was at MacWorld--same event where the GeForce 3 was unveiled.

I'll refrain from comment on the assertion that $600 is nothing to Mac users. I'll just say that I personally want one computer, not the expense/desk space/annoyance of two--and do-it-yourself sounds fun, but it's not a project I have time to mess with. In fact, if I bought a machine for gaming alone, it would still be a Mac, because I'd still have to maintain and deal with it--and don't care if I have to wait a few months for a game when there are already more than I could ever buy. Some gamers would choose a PC or a console--and they WOULD be a better choice for some. But not for everyone.

For the record, if my friends had consoles with good, mouse-driven, Internet multiplayer games on them, I'd happily join their fun. And I do own a PC--it was cheap, and thus unreliable, and so I won't bother dropping in a good gaming board. I'd pay more next time I bought a PC and get a name-brand box. I don't want to have to be an "expert" to own a computer. But since my Mac does everything I need, including running Windows XP for the occasional task, there won't BE a next time for me and PCs.

[DarkNovaMatter]

OOOOOOOH! Hopefully this means...........

Deus Ex FOR OSX! DEUS EX FOR OSX!..........:D :p :cool: :eek:

Finally another reason to play the game another 5 Billion times! :D

[Wyvernspirit]

Originally posted by ohitsmatthew


2. if you have the money to buy a mac (i dont care what you say, if youve bought a new mac in the last 10 years, at the time, it was a considerable investment, it doesnt mean your rich, but it does mean you have money to spend) you can afford to build a gaming pc. and consoles are ridiculous, outdated, and alot of console game developers are crappy, and games are crappy.

and if im being totally retarded, just ignore me, dont even bother replying.

Actually, I bouaght a mac, not because I can afford it, because I can't, but I prefer the experiece of the mac over a PC. I use PCs (Win98 - XP) at work and don't want the same at home. I took a loan against my 401k in order to get the money to buy my machine. Before this past summer I always bought used. I will use this machine "till I run it into the ground" or in about 4 years when its paid off.

I did get a Playstaion 2 for my birthday but the games I play on a console are different than what I play on my comp. On the comp I prefer Strategy/war and some RPGs where I play mostly sport titles and family games with others on the playstation.

I will not buy a PC because you think its cheap. If I had wantred a PC in the house I could have had one already.

[seamuskrat]

My main reason for wanting this is my home network consists of 7 macs of various generations going back to a beige G3. I CAN play UT on my home network. I could not play UT2K on my home etwork, just my dual 1 gig machine.
Since I migrated all machines to X, i miss my little LAN parties with UT. Its a hassle to boot into 9 IMHO.
So, this is a welcome change, and i still rule cause I use the Dual 1 gig :-0

[Doraemon]

m m m Monster Kill! :D


This is great news! :)

[blakespot]

Originally posted by Veldek
Is there a need for this game, now that we have a newer version? Perhaps any mods availabe, that are cool?
There is definitely need for this game. As you may have noticed, the control system for UT2K3 for OS X is horrendous. I don't even bother playing the demo anymore. It feels just like playing the orig. UT feels if you were to take a 4" stick and glue it to the top of your mouse, and hold onto the end of that and move it about for control. The mouse response is non-linear depending upon the complexity of the scene you are viewing at the moment. And it's not an issue of weak hardware as I'm using a dual G4 800 with GeForce 3 and 768MB RAM running OS X 10.2.6.

Hopefully UT will come forth for OS X.


blakespot

[zigzag]

1. because it leaked. Doom 3 was demoed a long time ago at some macworld or wwdc.

2. What if you don't want to build a gaming PC because you don't want the trouble of owning a PC? think about that for a moment, will ya?



Originally posted by ohitsmatthew
1. if doom 3 is coming out on mac first, why are major pc hardware sites using the latest builds of doom 3 for benchmarking hardware? hmmm... id like to see a build of doom 3 running on a mac.

2. if you have the money to buy a mac (i dont care what you say, if youve bought a new mac in the last 10 years, at the time, it was a considerable investment, it doesnt mean your rich, but it does mean you have money to spend) you can afford to build a gaming pc. and consoles are ridiculous, outdated, and alot of console game developers are crappy, and games are crappy.

and if im being totally retarded, just ignore me, dont even bother replying.

[mattmack]

Originally posted by ohitsmatthew


but the point is, why arent you just playing games on a low cost gaming pc?
One word WINDOWS

[beatle888]

im so close to buying an xbox.
i play quake 3 right now.

but im sorta feeling the age of the graphics. would unreal champion be THAT much of a difference? or its pretty much the same as UT? i was told to just get an xbox and halo? it seems that it will be around 179 for the system and 50 for the game as well as 50 for the online kit :O maybe i'll wait on the online part. so anyway if i use to love quake will the xbox and unreal championship and halo be a good mix? i wish i could see the trailers but their not working.

EDIT damn it what the hell.....damn it. NONE of the trailers for unreal tournament OR halo work. and the gamecube site doesnt work when you choose to view games like say resident evil. how freaken HARD can maintaining a site for companies like nintendo and xbox be? even the PS2 site doesnt have a consistan and working site. a lot of their games dont even have screen shots.

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by mangoman
So, based on your logic, Ryan should stop coding both UT2K3 and the later promised finish up to UT for OSX?

:p

well, chose, I mean really, you had this lady who did NOTHING for the longest time.

And now you dump more on this guy, what gives?

1 person projects bite, unless they aren't games, then a person can finish it.

If you have a what 10 person staff, why only use one person?

[v.g.golfer]

I have a 17" iMac G-4 @ 800 ghz. I also have Unreal Tournament and Unreal Tournament 2003. I think I wasted my money on UT 2003 because the game runs poorly on what I consider a very solid computer. The original Unreal Tournament Game of the Year is the best game I have ever played, and it's the only one that I keep coming back to again and again. I love surfing the internet to find skins for my game. I really enjoy taking screen shots of my characters in action, and then use them on my G-4 desk top slide show. There are SO MANY CTF maps out there that a lot of really talented people made available to the general public, and I have tons of fun trying them out. So yes, if the makers of the original OS 9 Unreal Tournament make it native to OS X.3, I will be happy to pay as much as $50 to procure it. To me the cost is nothing compared to the hours of enjoyment I will get for years to come!:cool: :cool: :cool: :) :)

[mangoman]

I feel...or I guess I should say, felt your pain. I was trying to run UT2K3 on a 933 Quicksilver with the stock 4MX video card in it. Not fun. I upgraded my machine with OWC's Mercury Elite unit and I'm running super stable at 1.33GHz. I also found a good deal from OWC on a GeForce Ti video card. With all that and the RAM maxed out, I'm diggin' Panther and UT2K3 for an investment of about $750. Cheaper than a G5, I figure!

For the record, I finally pulled down some Mods today for UT2K3. Simple weapons stuff, but.....ummmmmm, I'm feelin' the ol UT love coming back. Jumped online tonight and.... oh yeah. The addiction is settling in again.

[VoyagerRadio]

Yeah, but where's Half-Life?

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by MrMacman
well, chose, I mean really, you had this lady who did NOTHING for the longest time.

And now you dump more on this guy, what gives?

1 person projects bite, unless they aren't games, then a person can finish it.

If you have a what 10 person staff, why only use one person?

Glenda Adams was a bit busy with other things, such as EverQuest, which made money for Westlake.

Ryan Gordon also has to work on the paid projects first. It's better for Epic that he get the port of UT2004 finished, instead of working on UT for Mac OS X.

You also have to remember that porting rarely requires more than one person because it's a matter of getting what's already there to work properly on the other machine. With Mac OS X, it's mostly a matter of creating a library of routines to make it look as though the application is running on Windows.

[yamabushi]

I would like to see ports of many more older games to OSX. The really old games would also be nice to play once in a while. Why not build emulators right into OSX for systems such as the Apple IIgs, DOS, and Amiga?

[VoyagerRadio]

Originally posted by yamabushi
I would like to see ports of many more older games to OSX. The really old games would also be nice to play once in a while. Why not build emulators right into OSX for systems such as the Apple IIgs, DOS, and Amiga?

Yeah! Then we can easily play classic games like Bilestoad (http://www.classicgaming.com/vault/roms/appleiiroms.Bilestoad33395.shtml)!