Poll: Were you regularly using iTunes sharing over the internet?

[MacRumors]

Vote: Poll: Were you regularly using iTunes sharing over the internet? (http://www.macpolls.com/?poll_id=191&ref=forums.macrumors.com)

[Freg3000]

I tried it, used it as a cool factor to show off to my friends, and then that was it. I tried to connect to a few people's libraries, but it didn't work too well for me. So 4.0.1 isn't a really big thingin my opinion. Sure it would be nice to still have it-and I sort of still do. I can still showcase my sharing capabilities over the local network, so all is not lost.

All that being said, I have yet to update to 4.0.1. :)

[Rower_CPU]

I'm still using it. :)

I really don't want to downgrade...

[frozenstar]

I work in the IT department of a public university. One day, out of curiosity, I decided to start logging outbound connections to port 3689 through the firewall. Over a period of two weeks, 27 outbound connections were logged, all originating from six different computers in the student dorms.
After that, I decided to just scan the student subnets for listeners on 3689. There were 12.
So... 50% of the users running iTunes 4 had actually been sharing music over the Net.

[Chef Ramen]

i still am;)

check out iLeech

[alset]

Originally posted by Chef Ramen
i still am;)

check out iLeech

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this exactly the kind of behavior that wrecked my legit sharing?

Dan

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by Chef Ramen
i still am;)

check out iLeech

Lets all hope that was sarcasm.

I am still using it...

I am not going for the worst, okay second worst to the iMovie 'downgrade' (remember that? performance = 0)

Why is the poll and the thread different?

Were you regularly using iTunes sharing over the internet?
Was the poll, I answered no, because most of the time I listen to my own stuff.

But the Thread...
Vote: Poll: Were you using iTunes sharing over the internet?
Now that I answer 'Yes' to.

There is a difference!

[Bunzi2k4]

i sometimes leech off other people, but i've just recently started... but i don't find it all that great... and i don't think i know how to use it compleetly...

[P-Worm]

Suprise, suprise.

The overwhelming majority of the Macheads here didn't even use the feature. And this is the bunch that is supposed to do everything! I didn't use the feature and I don't miss it now that it is gone. There are just a few that want to rant and rave until the cows come home. Apple has things under control. They will do what they have to do. Have a little faith OK?

P-Worm

[arn]

sorry for the discrepancy...

the poll was to see how many people this would affect significantly.

I've used it ... just to see it work... but haven't used it with any regularity.

arn

[Doctor Q]

I used it, just to see that it worked, and so I could impress my PC-user acquaintances. Now I won't miss it. I've got enough music here to keep me happy all day and I'm not interested in getting music illegally.

[alset]

Originally posted by Doctor Q
I used it, just to see that it worked, and so I could impress my PC-user acquaintances. Now I won't miss it. I've got enough music here to keep me happy all day and I'm not interested in getting music illegally.

That isn't the point. Apple provided that feature so that we could listen to our music (legally) across an extended network. Those of us who wanted to go on vacation and still access our entire library via the net are pretty much screwed.

Also, people keep telling me that I should get an iPod for portable music. Well, if I already have an iBook that used to be able to do the job and I don't have the cash for an iPod, I imagine you see why this isn't a satisfactory solution.

Once again, Apple put too much trust in it's users. Many of us are decent and responsible, but enough are immature and careless to ruin it for the rest.

Dan

[punter]

Originally posted by alset
That isn't the point. Apple provided that feature so that we could listen to our music (legally) across an extended network.

How legal was it? Aren't all mp3s an unauthorised copy of the music? Even if you bought the mp4 from the store then wouldn't it be an unauthorised broadcast of the music? Even if it was broadcasting to yourself, it's still broadcasting.

Of couse, you could have made all your itunes music yourself...

Disclaimer: I'm just reading the rights off my cd, and that's the extent of my research :P

[caveman_uk]

Tried internet sharing a few times. Got nothing but rebuffering all the time. Gave it up as a waste of time so I won't miss it and have upgraded iTunes already. Jobs' presentation seemed to suggest that it was only supposed to work on a local subnet anyway so perhaps that it did work over the internet was more a bug than a feature?

[farblue]

Originally posted by punter
How legal was it? Aren't all mp3s an unauthorised copy of the music? Even if you bought the mp4 from the store then wouldn't it be an unauthorised broadcast of the music? Even if it was broadcasting to yourself, it's still broadcasting.


The american stance seems to be a lot stronger than the european one. Over here it is generally accepted that we are allowed to make copies for personal use - such as a tape for the car or an mp3 for your iPod etc. This has been challanged and thrown out of court. It's like recording tv programs on video or dvd-r or pvr technology for personal use.

As for broadcasting, I think the problem was the size of the potential audience. Broadcasting on a local subnet could be argued to be the network equiv. of having music on in your room with some mates round for a party. However, broadcasting over the .Net is like setting up a free club night in your local park with huge speakers :) You have always been allowed to do the first, but the second requires all sorts of permits and authorizations ...

[caveman_uk]

If people still want to stream over the internet then there's always Quicktime Streaming Server (or Darwin Streaming Server - which is the same but works on Mac OS X client, Linux and windows not just OS X server). This is more the internet radio sort of thing where you don't chose what to listen to rather than the iTunes thing which was more of a jukebox.

Search apple.com for the links to QTSS / DSS. There's also an article on the O'Rielly site about it (www.macdevcenter.com)

[pianojoe]

Originally posted by caveman_uk
If people still want to stream over the internet then there's always Quicktime Streaming Server.

I understand that Apple only wanted intranet streaming in the first place, and that it was a mere security hole that internet streaming could easily enabled at all. I do understand that the record companies were not amused.

There's no reason to whine. If you desperately need to stream your music, you can.

[hvfsl]

I am still streaming and will continue to so, Apple should have done something to stop people copying the files off others computers. I am really getting fed up with these ******* that use P2p and other systems to illegally get music since they cause problems for everyone else.

[Doctor Q]

Originally posted by alset
Apple provided that feature so that we could listen to our music (legally) across an extended network.I wish you could still do this, Dan, but I'm not convinced that Apple purposely provided the feature for "extended network" purposes. They claim to be "surprised and disappointed" that people are using iTunes "to stream music over the Internet to people they do not even know" and say it was designed "to allow friends and family to easily stream (not copy) their music between computers at home or in a small group setting".

The restriction to sharing within a subnet allows some probably inappropriate sharing (a subnet among strangers on a school campus) while disallowing cases like yours that seem appropriate. That's too bad, but iTunes 4.0.1 may not be Apple's last word on the subject. They may add back the ability to stream from a remote location, maybe by first identifying yourself as the owner of the music.

My quotes above are from a MacCentral article (http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/05/27/itunes/).

[wdlove]

I haven't used it. According to the no vote of 87.54%, Apple definitely has a vast untapped market!

[macdong]

I have an iPod, don't really need to stream.

[frozenstar]

Originally posted by hvfsl
I am still streaming and will continue to so, Apple should have done something to stop people copying the files off others computers. I am really getting fed up with these ******* that use P2p and other systems to illegally get music since they cause problems for everyone else.

I happen to be one of the ******* that uses P2P networks for acquiring digital music.
If the RIAA and the major music label executives weren't a bunch of money-hungry gluttons, then maybe I wouldn't feel so compelled to download music from P2P networks.
You call what I do stealing? They've been stealing from you for years.
With the rise of Napster, they saw their fortunes start to dwindle. There was actually a twinkle of fear in their eyes.
They still had an opportunity though. They had the opportunity to revolutionize the music industry into a pervasive electronic distribution network, in which the artist, label, and consumer all would benefit.
But nooooo. They have to have their billions. Millions aren't enough.
So, if you want something to complain about, then complain about the RIAA, but don't attack people like me because Apple pulled internet streaming out of iTunes.

[Maclicious]

Originally posted by frozenstar
I happen to be one of the ******* that uses P2P networks for acquiring digital music.
If the RIAA and the major music label executives weren't a bunch of money-hungry gluttons, then maybe I wouldn't feel so compelled to download music from P2P networks.
You call what I do stealing? They've been stealing from you for years.
With the rise of Napster, they saw their fortunes start to dwindle. There was actually a twinkle of fear in their eyes.
They still had an opportunity though. They had the opportunity to revolutionize the music industry into a pervasive electronic distribution network, in which the artist, label, and consumer all would benefit.
But nooooo. They have to have their billions. Millions aren't enough.
So, if you want something to complain about, then complain about the RIAA, but don't attack people like me because Apple pulled internet streaming out of iTunes.

As someone whose income is in part generated by the sale of digital IP over the internet, and as someone whose seen some of my products being shared freely on P2P networks (guess what, I'm not a billionaire--that's money directly out of my pocket)... Well, let's just say that I have come to feel differently about pirating music or software.

Of course, I don't disagree that the music execs have been stupidly obstinate up to now. But, now there is iTunes for mac users at least. If you're still relying on P2P networks for the bulk of your music downloads, you're not even being true to the point you made above.

The only frustrating thing about iTunes is its lack of depth. I'm going to trust that its selection will continue to grow. If it doesn't, then it'll only encourge more P2P pirates.

[scem0]

Im still waiting for PC iTunes, so no. ;)

[redAPPLE]

well... i guess i would try streaming, if i know how to.

i got a g4 machine and an ibook. i got iTunes 4.0.1 installed. i cannot even stream in my own subnet, in my own home...

is there a "manual" somewhere?

[hvfsl]

Well itunes is not avaliable in my country so I still use P2p for my music (although I would prefer to buy it). I do buy music, but I dont like always buying music when there is only a few tracks on a CD I like.

If Apple is around in 100 years I hope they are still not like this about only doing stuff in the US. Just imagine if people are living on Mars and the Moon then. Will then still only support US Earth users? This US centric stuff is killing Apple in Europe where Microsoft at least has some Europe services, although EU users still cant use M$s iPhoto like service.

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
I'm still using it. :)

I really don't want to downgrade...

can't you still stream stuff though?

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
can't you still stream stuff though?

There are apps out there that supposedly let you get at the Rendezvous stream remotely. I haven't tried them yet.

I actually "upgraded" to 4.0.1 at work, but the performance was so godawful (constant rebuffers, inability to connect) that we went back to 4.0. Good job, Steve. :rolleyes: