So I am about to return my Mac for a PC. . .am I making a mistake?

[mcatt66]

Not making this thread to trash mac or be a wiseass just trying to get some feedback. . I know everyone with a mac loves it and Im just trying to figure what is so special about it. I have been a PC guy all my life and just last week bought a new 20 inch Imac . . I dont do any comp graphics or movie or music making. . .Im ur basic download movies, music, browse the internet guy, porn viewing, myspace using user. . .do u think its a waste to have a mac if ur not really into all the extras. . .so far

Positives:
looks real nice asteticly
like the dock on the bottom
compact and wireless
No virus
entertainment remote menu

Negatives

cant open anyhting i download off limewire
cant burn a movie if my life depended on it
Seems like all programs are complicated (could be cause Im so used to windows)
\seems like i have to relearn even simple things

so what do u think. . .this machine cost me about 600 or 700 more than a PC witgh a bigger screen. . .moneys not the issue. . .

Why should I keep it? it was more money and im having trouble doing basic things?

[Allotriophagy]

Give it more than a week, at least. Ask for help online with things you are having a problem with. People on here love to tell others how to do stuff the right way.

[TraceyS/FL]

well you could donate it to me and i'll send you my Sony R505 laptop to use :D

I agree with the other poster - give it a bit more time!

[rogersmj]

If you can't play certain videos, get VLC. If you're having trouble burning things, ask for help. You can do anything on a Mac that you can do on a PC and then some.

[ezzie]

have you read through the help files available for each program? what programs in particular are you having issues with?

i'm not trying to downplay your experience, but it is a different operating system. things are done differently. like it's been said, give it time.

i've used both macs and PC's for years, and i have to say i find the macs to be much more intuitive and easier to use.

however, don't blame the mac for having problems with your limewire files. limewire is full of all kinds of bad stuff, so maybe it's better that your mac won't open the files, eh? music and movies can be purchased at iTunes, or other places for that matter. that's just my take on things. :rolleyes:

[robbieduncan]

If you are used to the Windows way of doing things you will have to relearn some stuff. If you get a new PC you will have to install DivX/XVid codecs, perhaps Quicktime and so on to get all movies to play. The Mac is no different. Install the free Flip4Mac and Perian (http://perian.org/) codec pacs and you can play almost all movies in Quicktime.

In general Mac programs are simpler than Windows you just need to get used to the basic ideas.

[mattscott306]

As far as limewire goes... are you downloading programs? Mac's dont run .exe software (unless you boot up in windows). But yeah, other then that, like everyone else said, give it more time. I guess I was lucky becuase I was already familar with the interface by the time I switched (friends had all switched before me), but most people I hear of have adjustment problems.

[CEAbiscuit]

Limewire is a definite issue... better alternatives out there and there are plenty of threads to help you in this forum. Also be sure to download Flip4mac so that you can run all those wholesome movies you speak of through quicktime.

[aristobrat]

Install the free Flip4Mac and Perian (http://perian.org/) codec pacs and you can play almost all movies in Quicktime.
Exactly.

mcatt66, if you install the two things that robbie and others have mentioned, then QuickTime will be able to play almost any video that you download.

As for not being able to burn a movie, .. if you want something super simple, get Toast 8.0

All you do is tell Toast that you want to burn a movie (i.e. not a data disc), drag your movies into it, and click Burn.

There's a learning curve to ANYTHING new in your life. Like if you get a new DVD player for your TV, you're going to fumble around with the buttons on the remote for a week or two before it starts to feel natural. IMO, a Mac is the same way. But once it does start to feel natural, I doubt you'll want to switch back to a PC. I say give it a chance.

[mcatt66]

im going to give it more time. . I have untile Feb 25th to return it. . After hours of trouble and what not I finally figured out how to burn a movie (with this sites help) then i went to watch it in my Xbox and it wouldnt play the movie. . .I dont know what the problem is but I never had that problem before with my xbox. . .I always burn and watch movies on it. . I will try downloading the programs u mentioned. . .and as far as lim ewire. . .every time I download a program ie a zip or rar file it turns out being an exe file and I cant open it. . .there are so many programs that are exe files. . .

[jsw]

You can do anything on a Mac that you can do on a PC...
Not entirely true, unless you mean via Boot Camp, which isn't exactly convenient.

However, all of the OP's needs seem to be met by OS X. :)

[dukeman]

im going to give it more time. . I have untile Feb 25th to return it. . After hours of trouble and what not I finally figured out how to burn a movie (with this sites help) then i went to watch it in my Xbox and it wouldnt play the movie. . .I dont know what the problem is but I never had that problem before with my xbox. . .I always burn and watch movies on it. . I will try downloading the programs u mentioned. . .and as far as lim ewire. . .every time I download a program ie a zip or rar file it turns out being an exe file and I cant open it. . .there are so many programs that are exe files. . .

You could always buy programs and movies instead of stealing them off of limewire.

[clevin]

for OP, only if u do these things alot, u need to get a windows
1. game
2. browsing website that need ActiveX
3. watching DRM protected WMV
4. need special softwares that doesn't support OSX
5. MSN video conference.

[SpookTheHamster]

for OP, only if u do these things alot, u need to get a windows
1. game
2. browsing website that need ActiveX
3. watching DRM protected WMV
4. need special softwares that doesn't support OSX
5. MSN video conference.

Get rid of 5, just because Microsoft's MSN client can't do video chat, it doesn't mean others can't as well.

To the OP, if you're so hell-bent on stealing Windows software, just install Windows under Parallels.

[Grakkle]

i've used both macs and PC's for years, and i have to say i find the macs to be much more intuitive and easier to use.

however, don't blame the mac for having problems with your limewire files. limewire is full of all kinds of bad stuff, so maybe it's better that your mac won't open the files, eh? music and movies can be purchased at iTunes, or other places for that matter. that's just my take on things. :rolleyes:

I agree. The OS X interface is different, but once you're used to it it's much easier to use, not to mention a lot more stable.

And as for the crappy p2p software out there - well, yes, you are likely to have problems with it. But for anything legitimate, the Mac is much better.

Anyway, once you do manage to get something off limewire (which I don't recommend, either) at least you won't be getting a batch of viruses along with it.

[ezzie]

You could always buy programs and movies instead of stealing them off of limewire.

that's what i was hinting at in my post above...i can't feel too bad for someone who's illegally downloading programs and can't get them to open.

[MrSmith]

You could always buy programs and movies instead of stealing them off of limewire.You guys pop up unwanted like whiteheads. The OP is asking for advice - not a soundcheck on your righteousness.

[ezzie]

You guys pop up unwanted like whiteheads. The OP is asking for advice - not a soundcheck on your righteousness.

um, correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't that valid advice? :rolleyes:

[jsw]

You guys pop up unwanted like whiteheads. The OP is asking for advice - not a soundcheck on your righteousness.
I think you'll find that posts advocating that people not illegally steal software are very well tolerated by the moderators here.

Posts advocating the opposite are not. When I said OS X met his needs, I didn't include the "need" to steal software and music.

[clevin]

Get rid of 5, just because Microsoft's MSN client can't do video chat, it doesn't mean others can't as well.

lol, its easy for you to say so, for those who has more than 50 friends on MSN, ur way isn't gonna work.

anyway, I wonder how many (percentage of) mac users have pirate softwares/musics on their machine? if you guys think this question shouldn't be in this topic, then maybe u guys should open a new post discussing piracy issue, rather than ranting here.

[mcatt66]

i know its not right to steal programs, but its also not right for these billion dollar companies to charge extra on top of an overpriced machine to get things to work. . u drop 2 thjousand on a comoputer it should come with everything, but lets not get off track here. ..we can back and forth about downloading ethics in another thread. . .so if i am a program and movie stealer are u telling me Mac is not for me?

[eji]

If you're sitting down at a Mac and expecting to use it like a Windows computer, you're going to be really disappointed. Profoundly disappointed. When I've been asked "How do I...?" by new Mac users, I usually say, "You're thinking too much" and that proves to be a good solution. OS X generally tends to be more straightforward than people are willing to believe. Then again, that particular advice might not apply some users.

Like some other posters, my already limited reserve of sympathy drops a few notches when you're running a crappy P2P client like LimeWire and looking for warez, porn and burnable copies of DVD movies. I think it takes some level of savvy to do those things safely and properly, and the number of things that could be wrong are almost infinite. Are you downloading Mac apps, or just anything that strikes your fancy? How are you burning the movies? Do you have the right ports open on your firewall in order to connect to other LimeWire users?

As far as returning the iMac, you should ask yourself: If you were relatively happy and comfortable doing all these things on a Windows computer, why did you ever switch?

[swiftaw]

i know its not right to steal programs, but its also not right for these billion dollar companies to charge extra on top of an overpriced machine to get things to work. . u drop 2 thjousand on a comoputer it should come with everything,

That is such a crazy argument, it's like saying that I just spent $30k on a car, I shouldn't have to pay for gas to make it work.

[ezzie]

i know its not right to steal programs, but its also not right for these billion dollar companies to charge extra on top of an overpriced machine to get things to work. . u drop 2 thjousand on a comoputer it should come with everything, but lets not get off track here. ..we can back and forth about downloading ethics in another thread. . .so if i am a program and movie stealer are u telling me Mac is not for me?

if you spend $2000 on a PC, does it come with every program?

what in particular are you missing that you think should have come with your mac?

no one's saying a mac is not for you. what some of us are saying is that there are legitimate programs that you can purchase that will work flawlessly. there are also a few legitmately free programs that work great as well.

[dejo]

so if i am a program and movie stealer are u telling me Mac is not for me?
No, but these forums aren't. :)

[mcatt66]

If you're sitting down at a Mac and expecting to use it like a Windows computer, you're going to be really disappointed. Profoundly disappointed. When I've been asked "How do I...?" by new Mac users, I usually say, "You're thinking too much" and that's usually a good solution. Then again, that particular advice might not apply some users.

Like some other posters, my already limited reserve of sympathy drops a few notches when you're running a crappy P2P client like LimeWire and looking for warez, porn and burnable copies of DVD movies. I think it takes some level of savvy to do those things safely and properly, and the number of things that could be wrong are almost infinite. Are you downloading Mac apps, or just anything that strikes your fancy? How are you burning the movies? Do you have the right ports open on your firewall in order to connect to other LimeWire users?

As far as returning the iMac, you should ask yourself: If you were relatively happy and comfortable doing all these things on a Windows computer, why did you ever switch?


a movie is a movie right. . .not sure why it would burn and work with PC and not on mac. . .as far as programs I was actually trying to get mac programs. . .toast parellel ect. . .the reason i switched honestly was looks. . i was going to purchase a new PC and saw the mac got in a converstion with some people at the store and went with the mac. . .I just feel like 90% of the stuff out there is made for PC and in orde3r to get it to work for mac i have to jump through hoops. . .but time will tell ill give it another week or so. . .I really just want to burn movies

[clevin]

so if i am a program and movie stealer are u telling me Mac is not for me?

many p2p softwares work on mac, and mac is not a police. Some ppl here have strong law-binding spirit, which is good. But for your question, mac doesn't prevent you from doing those, and Steve Jobs didn't intend to stop you neither.

[Turkish]

a movie is a movie right. . .not sure why it would burn and work with PC and not on mac. . .as far as programs I was actually trying to get mac programs. . .toast parellel ect. . .the reason i switched honestly was looks. . i was going to purchase a new PC and saw the mac got in a converstion with some people at the store and went with the mac. . .I just feel like 90% of the stuff out there is made for PC and in orde3r to get it to work for mac i have to jump through hoops. . .but time will tell ill give it another week or so. . .I really just want to burn movies

Could you be more specific on what types of movies (file formats, please) you are trying to burn to what type of media and what program you are trying to use to do it with?

It's a new platform - there's a learning curve - but there are plenty of programs out there for the Mac that let you do what you seem to want to do.

You just don't seem willing to learn and look for them or learn how to use them.

Take it back already or suck it up and try and learn.

[clevin]

I really just want to burn movies

yes, softwares for mac isn't as abundant as on windows platform, but for your task, there ARE some freewares that can do the job. such as
simplyburns
burn
mac the ripper
dvd imager
DVD remaster
etc.

anyway, for mac OSX softwares, u can check www.versiontracker.com or www.macupdate.com or www.pure-mac.com there are many freewares that can meet your need.

[Max Payne]

a movie is a movie right. . .not sure why it would burn and work with PC and not on mac. . .as far as programs I was actually trying to get mac programs. . .toast parellel ect. . .the reason i switched honestly was looks. . i was going to purchase a new PC and saw the mac got in a converstion with some people at the store and went with the mac. . .I just feel like 90% of the stuff out there is made for PC and in orde3r to get it to work for mac i have to jump through hoops. . .but time will tell ill give it another week or so. . .I really just want to burn movies

Use iDVD... I tried it & worked. Gotta love Bleach :D

[jsw]

many p2p softwares work on mac, and mac is not a police. Some ppl here have strong law-binding spirit, which is good. But for your question, mac doesn't prevent you from doing those, and Steve Jobs didn't intend to stop you neither.
His comment seems to be that much of the stolen software he downloads turns out to be Windows exe files.

Imagine my concern.

[robbieduncan]

so if i am a program and movie stealer are u telling me Mac is not for me?

Normally I'd not bother but here's my answer: you can still break the law if you want. But you have to remember you are sitting at a Mac not a Windows computer. If you want to steal software you've got to steal Mac software. Windows software will not run in OSX. It's like if you've got a Ford that needs fixing and you steal Toyota parts. They'll not work.

[eji]

u drop 2 thjousand on a comoputer it should come with everything, but lets not get off track here. ..we can back and forth about downloading ethics in another thread. . .so if i am a program and movie stealer are u telling me Mac is not for me?

Well, a Mac does come better equipped than its Windows-based counterparts. With the 20" iMac, well, let's see... camera, SuperDrive, iLife, Front Row, OS X... yep, all there. What exactly are you referring to? Does Vista come with WindowsWire, the new user-friendly Microsoft P2P downloading and pr0n DVD-burning program?

The Mac might not be for you if you're not a fairly savvy program and movie stealer. You have to understand what you're doing, and arbitrary clicks won't always produce satisfactory results. Windows might be easier in that respect, because you can click like a monkey on anything and it'll happily open and install God-knows-what onto your system.

A movie is a movie, yes, but some of them were ripped with Windows-only software in a Windows-only format. VLC might play them, and it's only a (free) download away, but again, you do have to know what you're doing to get the right movie file in the first place for less hassles later on down the road.

I looked at my first Mac and my Linux PDA as a slight and welcome challenge. I wanted to learn new stuff, to become computer multilingual, in a way, and become familiar with ways of doing things outside of what I already was comfortable with. In time, I came to realize that each OS is best used with a certain mindset, or according to a certain philosophy, and OS X best matched my own. Much as I rave about my Mac, you might be finding that Windows is more up your alley. It's not necessarily a bad thing.

[SpookTheHamster]

lol, its easy for you to say so, for those who has more than 50 friends on MSN, ur way isn't gonna work.

Since when did aMSN not work?

[clevin]

Since when did aMSN not work?

?? since when aMSN can handle audio/video together?

[robbieduncan]

A movie is a movie, but not all CDs (or DVDs) are the same. OSX burns data discs in HFS+ format by default. Windows (and XBoxes) can't read this. They need Joliet. There are a number of third party apps to solve this or you can use the built in tools with a bit of command line goodness...

[dextertangocci]

Don't download off limewire, it gives you crappy search results and crappy quality files;) And it is illegal...

[MrSmith]

um, correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't that valid advice? :rolleyes:
No. It was the only comment you made and it was clearly preaching. I just don't think preaching, whether right or wrong, belongs here. That's what we have parents for.

I think you'll find that posts advocating that people not illegally steal software are very well tolerated by the moderators here.
The OP asked a legitimate question and mentioned something that could be illegal (he didn't actually say he was downloading movies). The reply in question - clearly without any intention of helping - went straight on the attack. For what purpose? It's just a case of Class Prefect mentality that I'm sure most people don't want to see. Why not attack the OP for viewing porn? He might go blind/It degrades women, etc.

Posts advocating the opposite are not. When I said OS X met his needs, I didn't include the "need" to steal software and music.
Where did this come from? No one is protecting the right of anyone to indulge in illegal activities.

[mrgreen4242]

?? since when aMSN can handle audio/video together?

I never got the video chat thing. Text chatting I get. Audio chat I get. Audio chat with whiteboarding I get. Shared desktop conferencing w/ text and audio I get.

What's the added usefulness of video chat though? If I want to show you something I'll send you a picture. I don't even like talking on the phone, though, so I might just not be the right audience.

[mcatt66]

A friend had sent me a couple of comedy central stand up shows I wanted to burn on a disk. . I have ur standard dvd-r blank DVDs. . one of the movies was .avi and one was mpg. . .I used BURN to do it and it worked and burned good. . .then when i went to play it in my X box it said it did not recognize the disc,. . .Ive used these disc and these movies on my xbox before and it always reads and plays. . .is there another step or program i need to download?

[ezzie]

No. It was the only comment you made and it was clearly preaching. I just don't think preaching, whether right or wrong, belongs here. That's what we have parents for.


yo, no one's preaching. it was suggested that the OP might have better luck with purchased software...right?

also, look up a bit and you might notice that i actually asked him some questions which were never answered.

[robbieduncan]

A friend had sent me a couple of comedy central stand up shows I wanted to burn on a disk. . I have ur standard dvd-r blank DVDs. . one of the movies was .avi and one was mpg. . .I used BURN to do it and it worked and burned good. . .then when i went to play it in my X box it said it did not recognize the disc,. . .Ive used these disc and these movies on my xbox before and it always reads and plays. . .is there another step or program i need to download?

As I said a few posts up the burn will be in HFS+ format. You need to burn them in Joliet format. The file format of the moves does not matter. We are talking about the disk format. Toast (or maybe Disco) will work fine for this. It is possible to use the command line tools to burn Joliet without any other apps but it's a but time consuming...

[gnasher729]

i know its not right to steal programs, but its also not right for these billion dollar companies to charge extra on top of an overpriced machine to get things to work. . u drop 2 thjousand on a comoputer it should come with everything, but lets not get off track here. ..we can back and forth about downloading ethics in another thread. . .so if i am a program and movie stealer are u telling me Mac is not for me?

Well, Safari comes with a built-in spelling checker. For free. And did you use it? No, you didn't. Ungrateful git.

[mcatt66]

As I said a few posts up the burn will be in HFS+ format. You need to burn them in Joliet format. The file format of the moves does not matter. We are talking about the disk format. Toast (or maybe Disco) will work fine for this. It is possible to use the command line tools to burn Joliet without any other apps but it's a but time consuming...


hmm. . not really sure what HFS or Joliet means or if I can do them on the program "burn". . .maybe I should just buck up and buy toast. . .

[Eraserhead]

A friend had sent me a couple of comedy central stand up shows I wanted to burn on a disk. . I have ur standard dvd-r blank DVDs. . one of the movies was .avi and one was mpg. . .I used BURN to do it and it worked and burned good. . .then when i went to play it in my X box it said it did not recognize the disc,. . .Ive used these disc and these movies on my xbox before and it always reads and plays. . .is there another step or program i need to download?

On Windows don't you have to use Nero or Easy CD Creator to burn DVD's that play in the XBox, movies have to be converted to DVD format first so they will play on an XBox.

On the Mac it's exactly the same, except you buy Toast or something...

@RobbieDuncan, Mac data disks are cross platform, it's just avi's don't play in DVD players. ;)

And on software companies making obscene profits from software, the only ones I can thing of are Microsoft, Adobe and the Anti-virus companies (and possibly Apple, though AFAIK their large profits come from hardware). Just because software doesn't cost anything to distribute doesn't give you a right to steal it. Many software developers are small and are selling their software to put food on the table, it doesn't give you a right to stop them doing that.

[robbieduncan]

@RobbieDuncan, Mac data disks are cross platform, it's just avi's don't play in DVD players. ;)

Then my MBP must be strange. It definitely defaults to HFS+ when I burn from the Finder via a Burn Folder. I've burnt a disk this way and it refused to mount on any PC. Creating a CD Master disk image, populating that with the data then using the command line to turn that into a Hybrid Joliet/ISO9660 image and burning that resulting in disk that the PC could read.

[Eraserhead]

Then my MBP must be strange. It definitely defaults to HFS+ when I burn from the Finder via a Burn Folder. I've burnt a disk this way and it refused to mount on any PC. Creating a CD Master disk image, populating that with the data then using the command line to turn that into a Hybrid Joliet/ISO9660 image and burning that resulting in disk that the PC could read.

I've definitely made cross platform disks before, without Toast.

[robbieduncan]

Apple say you are correct (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.4/en/mh854.html). I'm only posting from personal experience!

[jsw]

The OP asked a legitimate question and mentioned something that could be illegal (he didn't actually say he was downloading movies).
I think that his follow-up:i know its not right to steal programs, but its also not right for these billion dollar companies to charge extra on top of an overpriced machine to get things to work. . u drop 2 thjousand on a comoputer it should come with everything, but lets not get off track here. ..we can back and forth about downloading ethics in another thread. . .so if i am a program and movie stealer are u telling me Mac is not for me?makes it perfectly clear what his intent was.

People with legitimate Limewire download needs usually find that what they download works, or at least they say "I'm trying to download ____ and I'm having problems." People with general Limewire issues have historically always been thieves.

yo, no one's preaching. it was suggested that the OP might have better luck with purchased software...right?
It was a suggestion from me only because I can't actually arrest the guy. It's theft, period. I sincerely doubt that any of the pirated software is actually needed by the thieves, making the crime even less ethical. They steal it simply because they can.

[MrSmith]

yo, no one's preaching. it was suggested that the OP might have better luck with purchased software...right?

also, look up a bit and you might notice that i actually asked him some questions which were never answered.
Sorry, you did indeed offer good advice. My comment was meant to be directed at dukeman, not 'you'.

[Carl Spackler]

The root of your question is valid: How do I burn a video file to a DVD playable in a stand alone player?

Did you try iDVD? It came with your Mac. You can drag the files to the menu, or if you'd like it to start immediately, go to the layout/structure view and drag the clip to the first box.

That being said/typed, Toast is the easiest way to do what you want.

I agree with they poster you mentioned that you may be over thinking it. Mac OS has always been intuitive to a spooky degree. Windows is a bandage on a bandage on a sore, so to speak. It trained me for the longest time to do everything the hard way.

[Max Payne]

hmm. . not really sure what HFS or Joliet means or if I can do them on the program "burn". . .maybe I should just buck up and buy toast. . .

What program did you use. You have to make a DVD from video file not burn the file without converting it to DVD first.

Toast & iDVD will do the trick.

[mcatt66]

What program did you use. You have to make a DVD from video file not burn the file without converting it to DVD first.

Toast & iDVD will do the trick.

Thanks I was having trouble with Idvd. . .it wouldnt even accept my movies on there. . .I think I amy need to get toast. . .

I want to thank everyone for all the help. . .Im just abit frustrated at this point, but hopefully I will work through it. .

[jsw]

I want to thank everyone for all the help. . .Im just abit frustrated at this point, but hopefully I will work through it. .Aside from the piracy asides...

I think you'll find Toast to be an excellent choice. Even older versions work quite well.

And if you get it without paying for it, at least do me the favor and act like you bought it, OK?

[Lovesong]

As I said a few posts up the burn will be in HFS+ format. You need to burn them in Joliet format. The file format of the moves does not matter. We are talking about the disk format. Toast (or maybe Disco) will work fine for this. It is possible to use the command line tools to burn Joliet without any other apps but it's a but time consuming...

Are you actually suggesting that someone (the OP in this case) who doesn't understand the OS, let alone Unix, mess around with Terminal? Man, that's mean!

To be quite honest, mcatt66, you don't seem to be the kind of person that is interested in learning anything about a mac. If all you want to do is run limewire, get software and whatever from there, and surf the web, then perhaps you should return the iMac, and get yourself a PC.
Limewire is truly one of those things that is designed for a Windows machine. What do I mean by that? Last week a co-worker of mine brought in her week-old laptop to me, as she was having issues with it. Apparently, she couldn't shut it down, and was wondering what was wrong. I saw that she had Limewire on it, which basically simplified things for me. I saved her personal data, and went on to scratch the entire thing. To my surprise, the brand new computer had 3 partitions- which she hadn't put there, and couldn't be seen by Windows. One was apptly named "Mediaware." I'll let you guess where that came from. The point is that p2p engines have simply become sources for adware, malware, and spyware, and you're unlikely to have a "good" experience with them on a Mac. Everything on them is designed for people like you that randomly click on things, and care about the "purtiness" of a machine rather than what it can give you in terms of usefulness.
Yes, you can do almost as much on a Mac as you can on a PC (for those of us who care about media, design, music, programming, and generally having things work, it can do much more than a PC). The question is what do get out of using a computer, and are you trying to get out of it.

[stylum]

for backup and copy of movies:http://www.fastdvdcopy.com/en/

[Eraserhead]

for backup and copy of movies:http://www.fastdvdcopy.com/en/

Link broken.

The spyware issue is an excellent reason to download software from legit sources (eg www.versiontracker.com) ;).

[jsw]

Link broken.
Remove the last part: http://www.fastdvdcopy.com.

Then it's fine. :)

Edit: I think we're done answering this question.