Official 2007 MLB Season Thread

[fotografica]

Not quite, but he's still a notorious first-pitch fastball hitter. Kent is the same way, so the 3-4 hole batters aren't taking enough pitches. These guys are veterans so they should know what brings them success, but still a batting coach should be there to make adjustments. Apparently Murray's problem was a lack of proactive work. He'd talk mostly to the players who came to him. I understand he was dinged for the same approach in Cleveland. As if we didn't know, a great ballplayer is not necessarily a great coach.

Can't understand why guys aren't more patient at the plate.I'm surprised it's not taught/coached more. Mueller was well liked here by his teammates and coaches..Seems like he'd be a player's type coach. He was one that was patient at the plate,least when he was here...

[IJ Reilly]

Can't understand why guys aren't more patient at the plate.I'm surprised it's not taught/coached more. Mueller was well liked here by his teammates and coaches..Seems like he'd be a player's type coach. He was one that was patient at the plate,least when he was here...

I think hitters who can produce hitting the first pitch fastball probably should swing at a lot of them, but not all the time obviously, or they're never going to see a first pitch strike.

The Dodgers are being cagy about who will get the job permanently. Mueller is being called "a bridge." I wonder how he feels about that.

[fotografica]

I think hitters who can produce hitting the first pitch fastball probably should swing at a lot of them, but not all the time obviously, or they're never going to see a first pitch strike.

The Dodgers are being cagy about who will get the job permanently. Mueller is being called "a bridge." I wonder how he feels about that.

True,but it seems as tho a lot of the younger guys and rookies seem to be free swinging. I know they're eager to be productive,but being patient is important too.

Maybe Mueller's "bridge" is actually his trial period?If he gets results via the hitters being more patient and he's liked,maybe he'd be permanent?

[IJ Reilly]

True,but it seems as tho a lot of the younger guys and rookies seem to be free swinging. I know they're eager to be productive,but being patient is important too.

Maybe Mueller's "bridge" is actually his trial period?If he gets results via the hitters being more patient and he's liked,maybe he'd be permanent?

Stability would be nice, so I hope he works out -- but bridges usually get walked on or driven over. ;)

As far as young free-swingers are concerned I think we see more of it now as a part of the increasing Dominican impact on the game. There's an old saying in the DR that you can't walk off the island. Of course that doesn't explain Kent or Garciaparra. They're neither Dominican nor young. But they're not classic free-swingers anyway. They're just looking for pitchers trying to get ahead in the count.

[mattscott306]

we lose 3-2 :(

we're getting close to being a mediocre team...
We're playing below mediocre right now. There were a few brightspots from last nights game. 1. Hudson woke up, 7 1/3 innings of two hit ball (including that reaalllyy weird infield hit) 2. Chipper- back in the lineup and causing damage. 3. McCann hit that first home run in, what like a month? 4. Soriano had another great inning.
Methinks we need to swap Soriano and Bobby for a while. Soriano's just plain lights out, while wickman hasn't been right since the beginning of the year.
Last nights debacle was partly due to Yunel's innability to get the out at home when he should have, so it's not 100% wickman (though he did allow the runner to reach)
Hated them for years..I just don't drone on and on and on about it in every other post I make :p :D
Fair enough.

[zioxide]

haha papi got ejected in the 1st inning

[twoodcc]

well the braves are winning in the 9th with 2 outs....but Wickman is pitching again.....can we hold it? they have 1 man on second

EDIT: and wickman just walked a man

[mattscott306]

Lets try this...

Lets Go Yankees *clap clap clap-clap-clap*
Keep the streak alive.

[Teh Don Ditty]

Lets try this...

Lets Go Yankees *clap clap clap-clap-clap*
Keep the streak alive.

I love it! Post of Teh Day!

[mattscott306]

I love it! Post of Teh Day!

Effing Matsui. Comeon Cano!
(I'm losing hope...)
Edit: Crap.

[Teh Don Ditty]

Effing Matsui. Comeon Cano!
(I'm losing hope...)
Edit: Crap.

Hey, don't get mad at my team because you're team couldn't claim first when the Mets were on a 5 game losing streak.

[mattscott306]

Hey, don't get mad at my team because you're team couldn't claim first when the Mets were on a 5 game losing streak.

No instead we managed to fall BACK to third in the standings. At least the Phils are getting killed tonight, so we'll go back up to second. But something (maybe the current score) says Boston is gonna win tonight. Which means you guys drop back a game, so you should be mad at your team. :p

[Teh Don Ditty]

No instead we managed to fall BACK to third in the standings. At least the Phils are getting killed tonight, so we'll go back up to second. But something (maybe the current score) says Boston is gonna win tonight. Which means you guys drop back a game, so you should be mad at your team. :p

I can't really be that mad at my team. We did close the gap to 7.5 games (back to 8.5 a lil later)

[furcalchick]

losers...you're fired. 2-0 to the mets.

[zioxide]

yay Red Sox beat the Giants 10-2. Yankees lose! Sox lead back up to 8.5 games :)


Remember how we were all bitching about Pedroia batting only .190 back in April? He went 5-5 tonight, with 1 HR, 1 2B, 2 runs scored, and 5 RBIs. He's batting .331 for the season now. Rookie of the year anyone?

[MacNut]

Can't the Giants do anything right.:mad:

[Teh Don Ditty]

Can't the Giants do anything right.:mad:

Not with the walking syringe on their team.

[furcalchick]

Can't the Giants do anything right.:mad:

why couldn't you do your job? still 2.5 back of the muts. yuck. and with roger on the mound too. win the next two games or else...

[IJ Reilly]

Oh, I see -- now the NL West matters. :rolleyes:

Dodgers beat the Angels 2-1, back into first place. Lowe strikes out 11 (a career high).

[steamboat26]

No freaking run support. Clemens wasn't that bad, and Jeter did his part, beyond that, nobody else really accumulated any hits. Wheres the power from Abreu/A-Rod/Matsui when you need it?
Also, why wasn't Damon in today? I have a feeling that he would have made a much better DH than Phelps.

[yg17]

It's official, the Cardinals bullpen is a ********* joke. They send in a 3rd baseman as a relief pitcher and he's our only pitcher who didn't give up a run tonight.

[xsedrinam]

It's official, the Cardinals bullpen is a ********* joke. They send in a 3rd baseman as a relief pitcher and he's our only pitcher who didn't give up a run tonight.
Sad, same-ol', same-ol'. It's too painful to watch a full game this season. I pulled the plug after it went 5-3, knowing it was another prelude to implosion.

[fotografica]

haha papi got ejected in the 1st inning

And hopefully it put a match under the team's ass.Good to see some runs. Not so good to see two guys responsible for them. We'll see who comes alive today..Tavarez has been a pleasant surprise this year..BIG road trip ahead next week.....

[furcalchick]

And hopefully it put a match under the team's ass.Good to see some runs. Not so good to see two guys responsible for them. We'll see who comes alive today..Tavarez has been a pleasant surprise this year..BIG road trip ahead next week.....

i'm sure you'll win two of the first three...considering the way the braves are playing as of late.

but we finally get a win on this road trip. but we still have a big homestand starting monday...boston, detroit and washington.

and you yankees better win NOW.

[aloofman]

Are the Dodgers seriously interested in Jermain Dye?Or is Rosenthal just filling up his blog??

They're just really desperate for power. It's going to be interesting if they find any worthwhile trades. You just know they'll have to overpay.

Not quite, but he's still a notorious first-pitch fastball hitter. Kent is the same way, so the 3-4 hole batters aren't taking enough pitches. These guys are veterans so they should know what brings them success, but still a batting coach should be there to make adjustments. Apparently Murray's problem was a lack of proactive work. He'd talk mostly to the players who came to him. I understand he was dinged for the same approach in Cleveland. As if we didn't know, a great ballplayer is not necessarily a great coach.

I think that Nomar and Pierre are really the only regulars that are significantly underperforming right now. Kent is on the long downhill slide and really not doing much worse than expected. Ethier also has regressed, but that's not uncommon for a sophomore year. I think Luis Gonzalez has come on lately and is in some ways a little better than he was last year in Arizona. Martin, of course, is hitting even better than last year. I think Kent takes more pitches than Nomar does, not that that's saying much.

You could make the argument that Pierre and Nomar are better than their current numbers and they're bound to improve, in which case the end of their slumps will be about like trading for better hitters. On the other hand, Nomar could always get hurt again. And honestly, I'm not sure Pierre really is that much better than today's stats. Pierre swings so weakly it reminds me of a toddler trying to use a wooden bat.

[Counterfit]

Remember how we were all bitching about Pedroia batting only .190 back in April? He went 5-5 tonight, with 1 HR, 1 2B, 2 runs scored, and 5 RBIs. He's batting .331 for the season now. Rookie of the year anyone?

People stopped bitching when he hit .400 for May. :p

So how about Barry Zito? The Giants are sinking a lot of money for him to be under .500.

[mattscott306]

Yankee's are getting the job done today, thank god.

[furcalchick]

Yankee's are getting the job done today, thank god.

i know, i'm sick and tired of them slacking off.

[mattscott306]

i know, i'm sick and tired of them slacking off.

....
sarcasm tags required?

[zioxide]

you two suck ^

[furcalchick]

yankees win 11-8. rivera tried to choke it away though, loading the bases and got two runners in.

[mattscott306]

Ok why does Fox have to switch us to Barry Bond's every time he comes up?

There's a reason I don't catch up on Giants games.

[Teh Don Ditty]

Ok why does Fox have to switch us to Barry Bond's every time he comes up?

There's a reason I don't catch up on Giants games.

Because we have to watch the syringe and see if he gets closer to 755/756!

Yanks win today and as furcalchick already mentioned Rivera almost decided to blow it. But he go Beltran to pop out. That goes well with the golden sombrero he had last night.

[mattscott306]

Because we have to watch the syringe and see if he gets closer to 715/716!

Yanks win today and as furcalchick already mentioned Rivera almost decided to blow it. But he go Beltran to pop out. That goes well with the golden sombrero he had last night.

Did you say 715?

Are you a baseball fan or not? :p

[Teh Don Ditty]

Did you say 715?

Are you a baseball fan or not? :p

Totally jacked that. Check for edit.

[xsedrinam]

Ok why does Fox have to switch us to Barry Bond's every time he comes up?

There's a reason I don't catch up on Giants games.
I read somewhere that both FOX and ESPN will break away to cover his at bats to the record. They did the same with McGwire. Like it or loathe it, it's part of baseball history.

[zioxide]

Yeah fox really needs to stop sucking Barry Bonds' dick. Nobody ****ing cares. I wish Daisuke would have pegged him instead of that other guy.


I love all the * banners around Fenway today :p

[Teh Don Ditty]

I read somewhere that both FOX and ESPN will break away to cover his at bats to the record. They did the same with McGwire. Like it or loathe it, it's part of baseball history.

I remember FOX doing it when McGwire was one away from breaking it and they covered every AB.

[mattscott306]

I remember FOX doing it when McGwire was one away from breaking it and they covered every AB.

Aye- when they're one away, then fine, show it. But this being eight away from the tie? Why not show every one of Griffey's AB's till he gets 600?

[MacNut]

I read somewhere that both FOX and ESPN will break away to cover his at bats to the record. They did the same with McGwire. Like it or loathe it, it's part of baseball history.And Im sure Peter Gammons will be right there to shake Bonds hand too.:rolleyes:

[Teh Don Ditty]

Aye- when they're one away, then fine, show it. But this being eight away from the tie? Why not show every one of Griffey's AB's till he gets 600?

I know that's what I was trying to say. 1 away is fine and dandy not this BS 8 away. I think they should show Griffey getting into the 600 club. It's a major milestone. Samething with Sosa.

[MacNut]

I know that's what I was trying to say. 1 away is fine and dandy not this BS 8 away. I think they should show Griffey getting into the 600 club. It's a major milestone. Samething with Sosa.A-Rod might get to 600 before Griffey.:p
Where is Joe Buck today?

[mattscott306]

What can you say to dice-k during trips to the mound?

[MacNut]

What can you say to dice-k during trips to the mound?I would tell him he's over rated, but Im biased.:p :D

[furcalchick]

What can you say to dice-k during trips to the mound?

i can speak a little japanese (very little though), watching heroes is good for you.

[MacNut]

i can speak a little japanese (very little though), watching heroes is good for you.The Red Sox don't have any cheerleaders tho.:rolleyes: At least none worth saving.:p

[mattscott306]

The Red Sox don't have any cheerleaders tho.:rolleyes:

Oh but the braves do...

Hot models that walk around doing promotions mid inning and between inning. I've gotten a fair number of smacks to the back of the head for staring, but... they're well endowed.

I tried finding pictures but they're not any on the web.

[xsedrinam]

Oh but the braves do...

Hot models that walk around doing promotions mid inning and between inning. I've gotten a fair number of smacks to the back of the head for staring, but... they're well endowed.

I tried finding pictures but they're not any on the web.
Don't know how you could miss them? :confused:

[Teh Don Ditty]

Hiiiiiiiiyoooooooooooo! Doesn't compare to the Islander's Ice Girls....

[Counterfit]

I would tell him he's over rated, but Im biased.:p :D

Well, at least he's not as overpaid as Zito is.


Also, Sox win 1-0. Dice-K gets the W, Papelbon the SV. Bonds: 0-3, 1BB, 1SO, 4 LOB. 8 k's for Matsu, 93 on the season.

[zioxide]

Sox win 1-0.

here's a couple of fun facts.

Today is the first time since 1963 that games at Fenway and Wrigley have both finished 1-0 in the same day.

The last time the Giants played the Red Sox at Fenway Park was the 1912 World Series. The Red Sox won the series in 8 games, 4 games to 3 games to 1 tie.


oh, what a surprise. Even the Fox postgame show is still sucking Bonds dick even after he went 0-4 today. I loved Oki's strikeout of Bonds in the 8th. :D

[furcalchick]

Don't know how you could miss them? :confused:

perverts. how about pics of cute baseball players, like fookie and peavy?

[zioxide]

perverts. how about pics of cute baseball players, like fookie and peavy?

naaah.. lets get more pics of the girls ;)

[Teh Don Ditty]

perverts. how about pics of cute baseball players, like fookie and peavy?

Pervert! :p ;) :D

[Counterfit]

perverts. how about pics of cute baseball players, like fookie and peavy?

If I post them, can I call you a pervert for looking at them?

[IJ Reilly]

They're just really desperate for power. It's going to be interesting if they find any worthwhile trades. You just know they'll have to overpay.

Not actually desperate I hope. When hear names like Dunn and Dye floated, I worry. These aren't really upgrades to anyone the Dodgers have right now, and especially not Dunn.

I think that Nomar and Pierre are really the only regulars that are significantly underperforming right now. Kent is on the long downhill slide and really not doing much worse than expected. Ethier also has regressed, but that's not uncommon for a sophomore year. I think Luis Gonzalez has come on lately and is in some ways a little better than he was last year in Arizona. Martin, of course, is hitting even better than last year. I think Kent takes more pitches than Nomar does, not that that's saying much.

You could make the argument that Pierre and Nomar are better than their current numbers and they're bound to improve, in which case the end of their slumps will be about like trading for better hitters. On the other hand, Nomar could always get hurt again. And honestly, I'm not sure Pierre really is that much better than today's stats. Pierre swings so weakly it reminds me of a toddler trying to use a wooden bat.

I know you're not a big Juan Pierre fan, and probably neither am I, but come on -- if he can hit .300 and steal 50 bases, then his baby swing isn't really an issue. He's made a pretty good career as a slap hitter and a base stealer. That's all we need from him.

Kent is in decline, but not by as much as we're seeing right now. Nomar's total lack of power this year is surprising, considering that he's apparently healthy. I'm not too concerned about him going down with an injury with Loney waiting impatiently in the wings. The Dodgers have the luxury of depth. Down the stretch it comes in very handy -- another reason why I don't want to see them squander a good prospect for some middling power-hitter. Ethier, I'm not worried about, at least not yet.

And now, back to the Yankees and Red Sox play-by-play, which is always in progress...

[twoodcc]

the braves won again!

and Griffey hit 2 more homers! now he's only 2 shy of McGwire.

"He just missed four [home runs] tonight. Unbelievable. He's still one of the better hitters in baseball. You feel like every time up, he's going to give you a good at-bat." -- Reds manager Jerry Narron

[mattscott306]

Don't know how you could miss them? :confused:
Good find, how'd you get them? I googled chop team, braves girls, and chop chicks, but got nothing. I couldn't find them on braves.com either.

They're even better in person. :D
I actually got to meet one of them, they do other modeling jobs, and she was working at a casino night I was dealing for, so I taught her how to play Black Jack.
perverts. how about pics of cute baseball players, like fookie and peavy?
Number of guys in this thread... like 12
Number of girls... 1

Law of numbers. ;)

[Sayhey]

Not actually desperate I hope. When hear names like Dunn and Dye floated, I worry. These aren't really upgrades to anyone the Dodgers have right now, and especially not Dunn.

IJ, I'm not a big Dye supporter, but I don't see how Dunn isn't a major upgrade in power over anyone on the Dodgers right now. He has hit 40 plus homeruns the last three years. Anyone on the Bums' roster come close?

Heck, I'd love to have him in SF hitting behind Barry. Maybe the Giants could figure out how to score some runs with him in the lineup.

I understand he has a huge contract that will bother teams, but if you want home run power, he's one of few legit guys out there on the market. And he's only 27!

[zioxide]

ugh, Barry Bonds* just hit homerun 748. :/

Sox are leading 8-4 though in the top of the 6th.

[mattscott306]

Chipper jones with hit number 2000. Sadly in a Braves loss, but still it's a great milestone.

[mattscott306]

ARod with another home run, making 27.

Bonds who?

[IJ Reilly]

IJ, I'm not a big Dye supporter, but I don't see how Dunn isn't a major upgrade in power over anyone on the Dodgers right now. He has hit 40 plus homeruns the last three years. Anyone on the Bums' roster come close?

Dunn is a career .250 hitter. In that department, he's a downgrade to every starting Dodger outfielder. He plays left field (only average defensively). Gonzales signed with the understanding that he was the starting left fielder. I suppose if the Dodgers could get Dunn for a couple of years, it might be worth trading Gonzales, but only if. I'd howl if they got rid of either Ethier or Kemp.

[furcalchick]

come on yankees. just one more win before i start rooting against you again...5-0 yanks, but espn is talking about yankees vs. sox.

no...first hit for mutts.

[zioxide]

stop rooting for the yankeeeeees

GO METS

[furcalchick]

stop rooting for the yankeeeeees

okay...starting tomorrow.

[MacNut]

come on yankees. just one more win before i start rooting against you again...5-0 yanks, but espn is talking about yankees vs. sox.

no...first hit for mutts.You Braves fans better do your part the next 3 games. I don't want those Red Sux winning.

[furcalchick]

You Braves fans better do your part the next 3 games. I don't want those Red Sux winning.

okay. i hate them too.

[Counterfit]

Just let it be known, it was the Braves that resorted to gimmicks to get fans when they where still in Boston. I mean, really, neon foul poles?



Edit: Damn I love my avatar. :D

[furcalchick]

Just let it be known, it was the Braves that resorted to gimmicks to get fans when they where still in Boston. I mean, really, neon foul poles?

interesting...but that's history now, we're in atlanta and we like it. hope you like losing red sox fans, because there's a lot of it in your future.

[steamboat26]

A rod hit HR number 27
Posada hit HR number 9
Wang has been looking really sharp 9 Ks through 8 innings

[steamboat26]

I can't believe they pulled Wang one out shy of a complete game. Just let him finish the game!
10 Ks for a career high :D

[xsedrinam]

ugh, Barry Bonds* just hit homerun 748. :/

Sox are leading 8-4 though in the top of the 6th.
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/baseball/mlb/06/17/bc.bbn.bondshomers.ap/t1_0617_bonds2_ap.jpg

Ya gotta luv them Fenway fans. And I thought NYC was booing A-Rod last year, too.
Have they kissed and made up? :p :)

[MacNut]

....And I thought NYC was booing A-Rod last year, too.
Have they kissed and made up? :p :)NY fans only root for winners, which is why they don't like the Red Sox,:p....or the Mets.:D

[fotografica]

And I thought NYC was booing A-Rod last year, too.
Have they kissed and made up? :p :)

Until he chokes in October :p Then they'll be booing his azz right out of town,lol.


The fans at Fenway holding up asterisks was a nice touch as well :D

[mattscott306]

You Braves fans better do your part the next 3 games. I don't want those Red Sux winning.

I'm desperately trying to get to the game tonight, but the prices tickets are going for are just insane.
We like to sit somewhere between the two dugouts (lately right behind home plate) or in right field. Our homeplate seats are going for 150 each, our dugout seats are going for 110 each, and our outfield seats are going for 60 each. It's freaking insane.

I'd even be willing to sit in the upper decks, but those tickets (last I checked) were going for 25 each. I think I might go down tonight and deal with a scalper to try to get some tickets.

Now on to the Braves doing their part. We've got James on tonight, so it really depends on which James shows up. Tomorrow is Huddy, we've got a great chance with him on the mound (he pitched amazing in his last start) and we have Carlyle up for the series cap.
One thing should be interesting this series, with Chipper back in the lineup, but not able to hit DH, where do you put him? You have Yunel Escobar knocking the threads of the ball every time he's up, and he's fielding quite well too.

You can't really move Chipper over to first because that would mess up the Saltalamacchia situation.
Something I'd like to see tonight (but I seriously doubt happening) is Chipper making a start at first, and Salty making a start behind the plate. See how hot our bats are from there (a slumping Brian McCann) and then reassess.

[furcalchick]

Something I'd like to see tonight (but I seriously doubt happening) is Chipper making a start at first, and Salty making a start behind the plate. See how hot our bats are from there (a slumping Brian McCann) and then reassess.

i would like to see that. get slumpy out of the lineup.

[mattscott306]

i would like to see that. get slumpy out of the lineup.

I don't think he needs to be removed for a long time, maybe another night off and some more time in the batting cages. He's been off his swing for a while now- that HR the other night gave me some hope, but there's something missing there. Which is strange, because he's known for being able to correct issues with his swing quite quickly.

Really, against this Red Sox lineup, we need to insure power and hits are put into our own lineup. Salty can call a ballgame from behind the plate pretty well, and he's hitting well. You can't take escobar out right now, not the way he's hitting. I'd say we put in Harris so he can show some speed and disrupt schilling's train of thought (Harris has no problems getting on base). Maybe get Johnson to steal some bases tonight, lets get aggressive and see if we can't cause some problems for the BoSox.

[furcalchick]

o's manager just got canned a few minutes ago.

[xsedrinam]

Until he chokes in October :p Then they'll be booing his azz right out of town,lol.


The fans at Fenway holding up asterisks was a nice touch as well :D
Ya, I tried to run down a pic for that. Do you have one or a linky?

[steamboat26]

Alright, we took 2 of 3 from the mets, now the braves have to do their part, and sweep the sox! (or at least take two of three)

[fotografica]

Ya, I tried to run down a pic for that. Do you have one or a linky?

Here ya go
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g301/Captainandcoke/asterisk.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g301/Captainandcoke/Sox.jpg

[fotografica]

o's manager just got canned a few minutes ago.

Just heard that.For a team that's supposed to always be in contention and make some noise,they're not even close..

Dodgers place Jason Schmidt on the 15 day DL..

[cycocelica]

Alright, we took 2 of 3 from the mets, now the braves have to do their part, and sweep the sox! (or at least take two of three)

I have much more faith in the Braves than the Giants.

[mattscott306]

Braves are gettin it done :)

[fotografica]

They are for sure..We're seeing why Schilling wasn't offered that contract extension...

[aloofman]

I know you're not a big Juan Pierre fan, and probably neither am I, but come on -- if he can hit .300 and steal 50 bases, then his baby swing isn't really an issue. He's made a pretty good career as a slap hitter and a base stealer. That's all we need from him.

I think that's a big 'if'. So far we've seen no sign that he's been unlucky or slowed by injuries. I don't have a specific bias against slap hitters, I was just pointed out that HIS recent swing is maybe the weakest I've ever seen by a major leaguer. We have seen him smack some decent line drives, so I know he CAN. It just looks so often like he's intentionally just trying to make minimum contact and beat out every grounder. I haven't seen enough infield hits from him to justify that.

For a guy with so little power, the real issue isn't his batting average but his on-base percentage. If his OBP isn't at least .350, his lack of base hits makes him a drag on the lineup. I knew his arm was weak, but his poor judgment of fly balls has been astounding. And he's been caught stealing too many times too.

In summary, we agree: I'm not a big fan of Juan Pierre!

[furcalchick]

good news for yankee fans, we're winning 9-3. but bad news is muts win, yuck.

[nickster9224]

I think that's a big 'if'. So far we've seen no sign that he's been unlucky or slowed by injuries. I don't have a specific bias against slap hitters, I was just pointed out that HIS recent swing is maybe the weakest I've ever seen by a major leaguer. We have seen him smack some decent line drives, so I know he CAN. It just looks so often like he's intentionally just trying to make minimum contact and beat out every grounder. I haven't seen enough infield hits from him to justify that.

For a guy with so little power, the real issue isn't his batting average but his on-base percentage. If his OBP isn't at least .350, his lack of base hits makes him a drag on the lineup. I knew his arm was weak, but his poor judgment of fly balls has been astounding. And he's been caught stealing too many times too.

In summary, we agree: I'm not a big fan of Juan Pierre!

i could swing better than juan pierre but im 15 and bigger than him.

[Fredo521]

What the hell Schilling :( The red sox 'ace' has been performing the worst lately.

[MacNut]

Braves are gettin it done :)

They are for sure..We're seeing why Schilling wasn't offered that contract extension...

good news for yankee fans, we're winning 9-3. but bad news is muts win, yuck.

What the hell Schilling :( The red sox 'ace' has been performing the worst lately.Excellent.
http://op-for.com/mr%20burns.jpg
And just think, the Red Sox could of had Clemans.

[mattscott306]

I have to say it, as much as I dislike the Yankee's, I kind of want them to win the division this season. I guess I've always rooted for the underdog. Thus from heretoforward I will take the yankee's side in the redsox yankee's arguments.

Thank you, that is all.

[Teh Don Ditty]

I have to say it, as much as I dislike the Yankee's, I kind of want them to win the division this season. I guess I've always rooted for the underdog. Thus from heretoforward I will take the yankee's side in the redsox yankee's arguments.

Thank you, that is all.

Apparently hell hath frozen over.

[xsedrinam]

Here ya go
asterisks
Sweet. :) Thanks.

[Fredo521]

Josh Beckett gets his 10th win and Yankees 9 games back. Good day. Curt got sent to Boston for shoulder testing though :(

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070619&content_id=2036101&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos

[fotografica]

Josh Beckett gets his 10th win and Yankees 9 games back. Good day. Curt got sent to Boston for shoulder testing though :(

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070619&content_id=2036101&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos

Beckett's been the ace of the staff all year in my eyes. Something's def not right with Schilling. Location was awful and never broke 90mph. Nice win and good to see some runs..

Schilling just said on WEEI that the MRI revealed no structural damage.He got a cortisone shot. Asked whether he would make his next scheduled start (against SD this weekend),Schilling said that it looks doubtful. I'd rather he skip one and start at Fenway...

[furcalchick]

at least santana shut down the muts for us, so we don't fall further back. still 1.5 games. we used to own beckett too, now we can't hit him?

[fotografica]

we used to own beckett too, now we can't hit him?

He can hit the Braves :D Nice double he ripped...

[zioxide]

They should give Schilling a start or two off and call Lester up.

Nice win last night, and the Yankees lost. :D

[Fredo521]

For some reason, I'm still doubtful of Jon Lester right now. Anyone have his numbers in AAA?

[MacNut]

The Rockies are a nice up and coming team, granted the Yankees should of beaten them but I see a lot of young talent. Kas Matsui that blew for the Mets really is having a nice season in Denver.

Of note the Yankees recalled 1st baseman Andy Philips and released Josh Phelps.

Baltimore has really hit the skids losing 9 in a row.

[iKwick7]

The Rockies are a nice up and coming team, granted the Yankees should of beaten them but I see a lot of young talent. Kas Matsui that blew for the Mets really is having a nice season in Denver.

Of note the Yankees recalled 1st baseman Andy Philips and released Josh Phelps.

Baltimore has really hit the skids losing 9 in a row.

Very happy that they called up Phillips. I have always liked the guy and I believe he deserves a shot.

[fotografica]

Lester's stats for 2007 Pawsox
G GS SH IP H ER HR BB K
8 8 0 38.3 31 9 1 12 25

W L S ERA WHIP
1 3 0 2.11 1.122


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Not sure how the Sox will handle him now. They could bring up Gabbard,who didn't do that bad in his last start against the Braves, to take a start for Schilling...

[imac/cheese]

Anyone think the yankees should trade Hughes for Teix?

[iKwick7]

Anyone think the yankees should trade Hughes for Teix?

Not a chance in hell. Hughes is going absolutely nowhere. They are building around him, that's for sure- the kid is amazing.

This also got me thinking again about how huge their payroll is going to get (not that it isn't already). If they are going to keep A Rod (which I doubt), that's a huge chunk of change. New contracts for Posada and Rivera after this season. I would sign Cano and Melky to big contracts (especially Cano) and they will need to sign new pitchers and a first baseman next year. Gonna be interesting.

[zioxide]

For some reason, I'm still doubtful of Jon Lester right now. Anyone have his numbers in AAA?

I saw him pitch a few weeks ago in Pawtucket and he did very well.

His stats for AAA this season:

1-3, 2.11 ERA, 8 Games, 38.1 IP, 31 H, 9 ER, 1 HR, 12BB, 25K, Opp Bat Avg: .221
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Jon%2520Lester&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=452657

He's been doing great. Don't look at the Wins/Losses because the PawSox offense is pretty bad.

edit: oo, I completely missed fotografica's post up there. oh well.

Anyone think the yankees should trade Hughes for Teix?

No, the Yankees need to stop trading away all their prospects for these old ass veterans.

[twoodcc]

well Griffey hit another homer last night. now only 1 shy of Mark McGwire for 7th all time.

Adam Dunn hit one today to take 2nd in the NL though

[furcalchick]

druw got benched today, he's batting .202 and harris is in center.

[mattscott306]

druw got benched today, he's batting .202 and harris is in center.

We also traded away McBride for Ledezma. We have pretty good successes with mid-year trades, so I'm hoping this will be more of the same.
Ledezma's numbers aren't that good though.

Devine also got the callup tonight- for those of you who don't know Devine, he set a record by allowing two grandslams in his first two starts. (After fanning the first 4 batters he faced)

[furcalchick]

We also traded away McBride for Ledezma. We have pretty good successes with mid-year trades, so I'm hoping this will be more of the same.
Ledezma's numbers aren't that good though.

Devine also got the callup tonight- for those of you who don't know Devine, he set a record by allowing two grandslams in his first two starts. (After fanning the first 4 batters he faced)

espn is still being red sox biased...

[mattscott306]

espn is still being red sox biased...

Great, A Drew HR to start things off.

Anyways, in response to you- I wouldn't know, ESPN's blacked out as Fox Sports South has the broadcast rights for tonights game.

For some reason, I'd rather hear the sox commentary right now. **avoids stones**

[mattscott306]

And... I have a feeling we're done with this game.

[furcalchick]

Great, A Drew HR to start things off.

Anyways, in response to you- I wouldn't know, ESPN's blacked out as Fox Sports South has the broadcast rights for tonights game.

For some reason, I'd rather hear the sox commentary right now. **avoids stones**

i'm guessing you forgot about monday's game that was on espn...i wish i had ss, but alas, i don't.

jake peavy is a redneck hick.

[mattscott306]

i'm guessing you forgot about monday's game that was on espn...i wish i had ss, but alas, i don't.

jake peavy is a redneck hick.

I watched mondays (I watch every game...) and I actually enjoyed the commentary. As long as that one old guy isn't speaking I'm fine(ish) with ESPN's broadcasting.

[furcalchick]

nancy drew takes an early exit, gone after 1 1/2 innings of baseball. what a whimp.

i have a paper cut, so i'm going to take the rest of the day off.

loser.

[zioxide]

I'm so sick of Drew and Lugo. Why the **** didn't Theo just keep Trot and Gonzales? ugh.

We really need to just call Ellsbury up and make him CF or RF starter (Make Coco the other one). Trade Drew and Pena for a utility outfielder like Kapler and Roberts used to be.

[xsedrinam]

druw got benched today, he's batting .202 and harris is in center.
Drew's batting .236, hit two out with 7 RBI's Friday night. But I forgot, this is Boston. I keep forgetting you guys are at another level than the rest of baseballdem. You and the NY franchise are too big for us to understand. But we try. :p

[zioxide]

Drew's batting .236, hit two out with 7 RBI's Friday night. But I forgot, this is Boston. I keep forgetting you guys are at another level than the rest of baseballdem. You and the NY franchise are too big for us to understand. But we try. :p

She's talking about andruw jones, not JD Drew.

[xsedrinam]

nancy drew takes an early exit, gone after 1 1/2 innings of baseball. what a whimp.



loser.

She's talking about andruw jones, not JD Drew.
Not here, she's not.

[fotografica]

Looks like Drew's leg is acting up again. Pena is in for him..And it looks like Cox is already into his bullpen....

[zioxide]

Not here, she's not.

druw got benched today, he's batting .202 and harris is in center.

But here she was, which was what you quoted originally ;)

[xsedrinam]

The point is, I still don't see why Boston fans are in love with the exaggerated memory of a Trot Nixon, and won't give Drew a shot.

He started well, has hit a natural down, and Friday hits two out with 7 RBIs, and he's still called a "loser". Trot's stats are almost across the board under those of Drew this year, even though neither is having a good first half.

[zioxide]

The point is, I still don't see why Boston fans are in love with the exaggerated memory of a Trot Nixon, and won't give Drew a shot.

He started well, has hit a natural down, and Friday hits two out with 7 RBIs, and he's still called a "loser". Trot's stats are almost across the board under those of Drew this year, even though neither is having a good first half.

Thats just how Boston fans are. We give the players a hard time until they prove themselves. Yeah Drew has a had a couple of good games, but he hasn't been consistent at all.

Look at Okajima early this year. Boston fans weren't really sure about him and he gave up a homerun on his first pitch. But then he got that huge save in the first Yankees series and has been lights out ever since, so everyone loves him now.

Everyone in Boston loved Trot, so we are still not sure if Drew will be able to deliver like trot used to.

[xsedrinam]

Thats just how Boston fans are. We give the players a hard time until they prove themselves. Yeah Drew has a had a couple of good games, but he hasn't been consistent at all.

Look at Okajima early this year. Boston fans weren't really sure about him and he gave up a homerun on his first pitch. But then he got that huge save in the first Yankees series and has been lights out ever since, so everyone loves him now.

Everyone in Boston loved Trot, so we are still not sure if Drew will be able to deliver like trot used to.
That's perfectly understandable. And if most of the local fans think that way, I'm cool with that. Any new or veteran-traded player has to prove themselves as the new kid on the block. That's baseball, and what it is, it is. I'm just for giving a player a chance before he's labeled a loser and booed by the fickle.

I hope both Trot and J.D. finish with solid seasons, and I think both of them have some good ball left in them. That's basically it, so I'll turn off my bitch switch, now. :)

Added note of irony: That's pretty much the way STL fans thought of Edmonds when he first came to the Cards. He had a reputation as a prima dona and he'd get hurt what appeared too easily. But then he started stepping up in the clutch, and the fans took him in.

[fotografica]

Most of it has to do with the money also..The Sox forked over a lot of $$$ for Drew compared to what they could have signed Trot for. Trot also spent a good amount of time on the DL the last couple seasons. So he had the injury issues as well..It's tough to replace a fan favorite,especially one that came up through the system..It's even tougher when you don't produce consistantly right off the bat..The fact that that Drew isn't exactly enamored with the media isn't helping him either. His post game interviews look more like interrogations. He's REALLLLL laid back..We're not used to that here,lol..Of course,if he goes .330 with 35 HR's and 100 RBI's for the season,we'll be "Trot who??":D

[zioxide]

So the Sox are playing home run derby down in Atlanta tonight. JD Drew, Coco, Papi, and Manny all hit home runs so far.

8-0 Sox 7th inning just finished.

[fotografica]

Looking good..Good to see some long ball tonight.Lugo still sucks,lol...Off day tomorrow. Schilling expected to go on the DL Friday. Beckett's already slated to take his start Sunday against Peavey in SD.. That should be a great game..

[xsedrinam]

Most of it has to do with the money also..The Sox forked over a lot of $$$ for Drew compared to what they could have signed Trot for. Trot also spent a good amount of time on the DL the last couple seasons. So he had the injury issues as well..It's tough to replace a fan favorite,especially one that came up through the system..It's even tougher when you don't produce consistantly right off the bat..The fact that that Drew isn't exactly enamored with the media isn't helping him either. His post game interviews look more like interrogations. He's REALLLLL laid back..We're not used to that here,lol..Of course,if he goes .330 with 35 HR's and 100 RBI's for the season,we'll be "Trot who??":D

Well Drew's biggest year was in '01 with STL. Then, his numbers were 27 HRs, and batted around .323. He's only got 100 RBIs once, and that was with LA in '06. Still, he's capable of coming in with a solid first year in Boston if he finds his game.

He is laid back. "He doesn't put all his furniture on the front porch." :D But that "aw shucks" demeanor doesn't fly far when you're not delivering. Give'm a chance.

So the Sox are playing home run derby down in Atlanta tonight. JD Drew, Coco, Papi, and Manny all hit home runs so far.

8-0 Sox 7th inning just finished.
I thought they sat Drew, tonight? :confused:

[fotografica]

Well I hope he turns it on and has a solid year. Fenway's a good park for him. With his ability,he should find his groove..We're not used to
"Aw shucks" up here in Boston..More like,"Whaddya mean you don't like my game?" lol

Once again,lol,
Andruw Jones was benched for the Braves tonight

JD Drew started for the Red Sox.Hit a HR,then left the game with sore quad..

[swiftaw]

I thought they sat Drew, tonight? :confused:

He played the first 1.5 innings then was pulled for precautionary reasons due to a tightened quad.

[furcalchick]

steroid sosa with 600 homers now.

[xsedrinam]

Once again,lol,
Andruw Jones was benched for the Braves tonight
:D I'm so used to dealing with typos in here, I see "druw", and think,.....yah, you know.

[mattscott306]

steroid sosa with 600 homers now.

Hmm... that reminds me- we should get the braves cork bats in the ninth, maybe we'll have a chance then...

[zioxide]

Looking good..Good to see some long ball tonight.Lugo still sucks,lol...Off day tomorrow. Schilling expected to go on the DL Friday. Beckett's already slated to take his start Sunday against Peavey in SD.. That should be a great game..

Hinske decided to join the HR derby contest too. So 5 HRs tonight for the Sox.

Drew, Crisp, Papi, Manny, Hinske.


So if Schill is going on the DL, any word on who's going to pitch for him. I'm 99% sure it's going to be Lester, but I'm just curious if they have announced anything.

I love the depth we have though. Even if one starter goes down, we have plenty of guys to fill in.

[swiftaw]

So if Schill is going on the DL, any word on who's going to pitch for him. I'm 99% sure it's going to be Lester, but I'm just curious if they have announced anything.

No announcements yet other than Beckett will take Schilling's start on Sunday and so it's Tuesday's game in Seattle that is needing a starter. Coincidentally, Lester is from the Seattle area.

[fotografica]

Hinske decided to join the HR derby contest too. So 5 HRs tonight for the Sox.

Drew, Crisp, Papi, Manny, Hinske.


So if Schill is going on the DL, any word on who's going to pitch for him. I'm 99% sure it's going to be Lester, but I'm just curious if they have announced anything.

The usual suspects are being mentioned..Lester,Gabbard,Hansack...Whoever it is,will have to be in SD on Friday.Listening to Schilling on EEI this morning, sounds like he's not been on his game all year.That was by his own admission.

[swiftaw]

Tavarez has been a pleasant surprise recently. However, the ESPN announcers tonight were insinuating that he was doctoring the ball because at the end of every inning he would ask for the ball back and take it with him to the dugout, rather than leave in on the mound for the opposing pitcher.

[asxtb]

Wirelessly posted (Vodafone/1.0/V705SH/SHJ001 Browser/VF-NetFront/3.3 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1)

steroid sosa with 600 homers now.

Interesting it came when he's on the team that drafted him and against the team that he gained his fame.

[fotografica]

No announcements yet other than Beckett will take Schilling's start on Sunday and so it's Tuesday's game in Seattle that is needing a starter. Coincidentally, Lester is from the Seattle area.

Lester pitched five innings last night.Threw 98 pitches,3 ER 4BB 3 SO .Not exactly an economical outing. Gabbard's already proved himself at the major league level a few weeks ago.I know everybody's dieing to see Lester come up.The worst thing you can do to him now,is bring him up too early and have him get shelled.Looking good in Pawtucket and looking good in Boston are two different things. Whoever pitches Tuesday,may be going up against Felix the King in Seattle.Runs are going to be tough to come by...

[swiftaw]

Whoever pitches Tuesday,may be going up against Felix the King in Seattle.Runs are going to be tough to come by...

Actually, Felix has looked anything but regal since his stint on the DL.

[cycocelica]

The Rockies definitely should not have done a sweep on the Yankees. Rocket couldn't hold on. Disappointment. Hopefully this is just a bump in the road.

[furcalchick]

The Rockies definitely should not have done a sweep on the Yankees. Rocket couldn't hold on. Disappointment. Hopefully this is just a bump in the road.

i'm sorry we failed you and THEY got more games on you guys. i hate THEM.

at least THEY didn't gain more games in the standings...stupid muts.

[fotografica]

Rocket couldn't hold on. Disappointment.

Get used to it. His ego is larger than life. And it's only June..........

[mattscott306]

Get used to it. His ego is larger than life. And it's only June..........
**Cough**Schilling**Cough**

Everyone has a larger that life player that doesn't live up to current expectations.
Except maybe the royals.

[fotografica]

**Cough**Schilling**Cough**

Everyone has a larger that life player that doesn't live up to current expectations.
Except maybe the royals.

You're preaching to the choir guy.No arguement on Schilling whatsoever..Never wanted the Sox to pony up the $13mill for Curt's extension......Oh that's right..You're officially rooting for the Yankee's now...

Take some Vick's for that cough...Or some Tussin...

[mattscott306]

You're preaching to the choir guy.No arguement on Schilling whatsoever..Never wanted the Sox to pony up the $13mill for Curt's extension......

Take some Vick's for that cough...Or some Tussin...

Michael Vick? Now where talkin overrated.

[fotografica]

Michael Vick? Now where talkin overrated.

That's a whole thread in itself......

[furcalchick]

Michael Vick? Now where talkin overrated.

i hate vick. and the falcons. saints fan.

btw, he was actually drafted by the rockies in the 30th round in 2000 as an outfielder. i bet he would be with the devil rays by now.

[fotografica]

i bet he would be with the devil rays by now.

I don't think that they would have even wanted him at this point..

[cycocelica]

Get used to it. His ego is larger than life. And it's only June..........

His ego could be stabbing every Yankee fan in the heart for all I care. It is the money we spent on him. Plus he is just not performing how he should be. Its the Rockies. I mean they are an up and coming team and they could be very good in a few years, but right not, Clemens should beat them.

[zioxide]

i hate vick. and the falcons. saints fan.

lolsaints. how do you lose to da bears?

[Counterfit]

His ego could be stabbing every Yankee fan in the heart for all I care. It is the money we spent on him. Plus he is just not performing how he should be. Its the Rockies. I mean they are an up and coming team and they could be very good in a few years, but right not, Clemens should beat them.

They took 2 of 3 against the Sox. Holliday leads the NL, Helton is still pretty strong, etc. etc.

[fotografica]

His ego could be stabbing every Yankee fan in the heart for all I care. It is the money we spent on him. Plus he is just not performing how he should be. Its the Rockies. I mean they are an up and coming team and they could be very good in a few years, but right not, Clemens should beat them.

How dare the mighty Rocket lose to the Rockies?:rolleyes: You Yankee's fans were all having orgasms when you saw Roger in George's box.Now you can't believe he lost to the Rockies?Gimme a break.The guy couldn't even get past the fifth inning lol..The money you spent on him?TFB.That's what you get for blowing your wad on a 45yo mercenary who decides to show up when he wants.Get used to it.I hope the arrogant,self absorbed SOB continues to implode..You can only use band aids for so long....

[MacNut]

How dare the mighty Rocket lose to the Rockies?:rolleyes: You Yankee's fans were all having orgasms when you saw Roger in George's box.Now you can't believe he lost to the Rockies?Gimme a break.The guy couldn't even get past the fifth inning lol..The money you spent on him?TFB.That's what you get for blowing your wad on a 45yo mercenary who decides to show up when he wants.Get used to it.I hope the arrogant,self absorbed SOB continues to implode..You can only use band aids for so long....You know if he decided to go to Boston you wouldn't of been able to contain yourself.:rolleyes:

[mattscott306]

I've decided I'm pissed off at the NL East.
For the past few years we have arguably been the NL's strongest division, sure the Braves won it fourteen in a row, but a few of those years things got interesting. Now this year we're starting to look like the NL West of two years ago, it's pathetic. Really, the NL East could conceivably be won by a team with a sub .500 record. Right now though, it looks like the Phillies are really going to be the team to beat. It's an amazing turn around for them from the beginning of the year to now, when the braves and the mets were running away with the division. It's just sad.

Had either the Braves or the Mets gotten hot and put together say a five or six game win streak and played .500 ball the rest of the past two months (even more so the past three weeks) then the division would nearly be cinched for that team. Instead all three teams (mets braves phillies) are looking at falling below .500.

On deck for us? The freaking Tigers. Exactly what a team with a struggling perennial all star and gold glover needs.

[Counterfit]

You know if he decided to go to Boston you wouldn't of been able to contain yourself.:rolleyes:

I figure half would have said "ZOMG TEH ROCKET!" and the other half would have said "ZOMG 2 OLD", and a few would have said "who?" and been slapped for being so ignorant about baseball.

[xsedrinam]

Looks like Pedroia has found the key (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/john_donovan/06/22/pedroia.redsox/index.html) to surviving Red Sox Nation. ;)

"I just said, 'You know what? The hell with all these people.' These people are writing articles and everybody's reading it and thinking I'm a bad player, when in reality, they don't even know who I am," Pedroia says. "So, I stopped thinking about them and got into a, 'I don't really care,' and went with that attitude. And I've been performing ever since."

[fotografica]

You know if he decided to go to Boston you wouldn't of been able to contain yourself.:rolleyes:

Oh yes..I would have been having multiple orgasms:rolleyes: :rolleyes: .I would have made Susan Wolman(sp) sound like a mute.

[fotografica]

Looks like Pedroia has found the key (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/john_donovan/06/22/pedroia.redsox/index.html) to surviving Red Sox Nation. ;)

"I just said, 'You know what? The hell with all these people.' These people are writing articles and everybody's reading it and thinking I'm a bad player, when in reality, they don't even know who I am," Pedroia says. "So, I stopped thinking about them and got into a, 'I don't really care,' and went with that attitude. And I've been performing ever since."

Whatever he's been doing,keep doing it..I'll take it..If only Lugo would channel the boos,lol...

[furcalchick]

ugh, scoreless streak to 28 innings. stupid braves lose 5-0, and we're just two games over .500 now.

andruw jones under the mendoza line, hitting .199.

[xsedrinam]

We all have our crosses to bear this year, not the least being this zero with the rim knocked off of it. 0-8, and lost his last 11 decisions.

If we could just get Clemens.......

[nickster9224]

yay, scott podsednick is back, in his first ab from the dl he had a single. stolen base and a runscored. this is what the sox needed

[Counterfit]

Looks like Pedroia has found the key (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/john_donovan/06/22/pedroia.redsox/index.html) to surviving Red Sox Nation. ;)

"I just said, 'You know what? The hell with all these people.' These people are writing articles and everybody's reading it and thinking I'm a bad player, when in reality, they don't even know who I am," Pedroia says. "So, I stopped thinking about them and got into a, 'I don't really care,' and went with that attitude. And I've been performing ever since."

Keith Foulke said pretty much the same thing (and referred to "Joe Sixpack" at the same time) and got kinda blasted for it. I mean, do fans actually think their opinion of a player has an impact on their performance? Maybe if an MLB team goes co-op... Then we'd have this for a rotation in Boston: Pedro, Clemens, Wakfield, Arroyo, Lester. Nomar would still be at short, Millar would be at first, Bill Mueller would be the hitting coach, Youk would be at third, we'd still have a revolving door at 2nd, and the outfield would still be Manny/Damon/Nixon.

[yg17]

We all have our crosses to bear this year, not the least being this zero with the rim knocked off of it. 0-8, and lost his last 11 decisions.

If we could just get Clemens.......


The Cardinals season has been dissapoining this year, but the way I see it....who cares, they won the ********* world series last year! :D

Besides, it doesn't seem uncommon for teams to do really crappy the season after winning the world series, I guess they're in the "don't give a damn" mode.

[xsedrinam]

The Cardinals season has been dissapoining this year, but the way I see it....who cares, they won the ********* world series last year! :D

:D Spoken like a true Redbirds fan. Maybe we'll have something to post about the second half of the season.

[mattscott306]

So we're sitting at thirty one scoreless innings. Awful.
Plus an awful call by the ump giving the Tigers a one run lead and causing Davies to pitch an extra 6 pitches.

[MacNut]

Nobody has mentioned that Justin Morneau was hurt with a bruise on his lung after colliding with Miguel Olivo.

Morneau was coughing up blood repeatedly when he was taken from the stadium on a stretcher, Twins manager Ron Gardenhire said. But X-rays taken at the hospital were negative and a CT scan was normal, team spokesman Mike Herman said.

Morneau, the 2006 American League MVP, was expected to miss a couple games, Herman said.

The Twins first baseman, who is second in the AL with 20 home runs, left the game after being injured in the eighth inning. He came around from first base on pinch-hitter Jason Kubel's two-out double and was stopped short of the plate in a collision with Olivo.

[mattscott306]

Nobody has mentioned bobby tying the ejection record...

[furcalchick]

man, the one time davies pitches well, our offense decides not to show up. ugh, this is getting old really fast. and worse, tomorrow, everyone gets to see our suckiness.

[MacNut]

and worse, tomorrow, everyone gets to see our suckiness.Don't worry Im sure nobody will watch.:p

[furcalchick]

sounds like chipper and smoltz are not eye to eye in this situation that the braves are in. clubhouse tensions usually mean it's going to get worse down in atlanta before things get better.

and bobby was yelling at kelly in the dugout...that's not the bobby i know.

it's going to be a long summer in atlanta.

[mattscott306]

man, the one time davies pitches well, our offense decides not to show up. ugh, this is getting old really fast. and worse, tomorrow, everyone gets to see our suckiness.
Davies has pitched a few games quite well. It's just the bad games that you/we remember.
sounds like chipper and smoltz are not eye to eye in this situation that the braves are in. clubhouse tensions usually mean it's going to get worse down in atlanta before things get better.
It worked for the Cubs... honestly something needed to be said to chipper- he's the most breakable player we have, it's just pathetic sometimes. Really, I'm glad Smotlz said something publicly that made chipper act. God knows we needed his offense today.

and bobby was yelling at kelly in the dugout...that's not the bobby i know.

it's going to be a long summer in atlanta.

Bobby wasn't quite yelling, but he was for sure chewing Kelly out. Really I can understand why he did, Kelly SHOULD have been swinging- BE AGGRESSIVE. Everyone does realize that had the ump made the RIGHT call at the plate in the second inning, we'd have gone to extra innings... we got screwed there.

[Teh Don Ditty]

Rod Beck has died.

ESPN Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2914994)

[furcalchick]

Rod Beck has died.

ESPN Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2914994)

i remember him, he filled in for trevor in 2003 i think when he got hurt...i know he retired soon after that though. so sad...

[Silencio]

Rod Beck has died.

ESPN Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2914994)

OMG. First Jose Uribe and now this! Horrible year for ex-Giants, and Rod was one of my favorites. :(

[furcalchick]

Nobody has mentioned that Justin Morneau was hurt with a bruise on his lung after colliding with Miguel Olivo.

he's still in the hospital...i hope he doesn't die...

[steamboat26]

Why do the yankees even bother starting nieves?
A tired posada, at 10% of his ability is better than him!
Nieves can't hit, and can barely field. The giants have stolen 5 bases from him through 5 innings!
Pitiful... :(

[zioxide]

Why do the yankees even bother starting nieves?
A tired posada, at 10% of his ability is better than him!
Nieves can't hit, and can barely field. The giants have stolen 5 bases from him through 5 innings!
Pitiful... :(

Because you have to give your catcher a break every once in a while. Having to kneel down for the whole game can be tough and you can't do it every day without taking a day off every few days.

[Silencio]

Because you have to give your catcher a break every once in a while. Having to kneel down for the whole game can be tough and you can't do it every day without taking a day off every few days.

Looks like Posada's in the game now.

The Giants also went with their backup catcher today, a longtime minor leaguer pressed into service after the season-ending injury to Eliezar Alfonzo. At least he hit a double and drove in a run.

[Silencio]

And the rout is on. Two consecutive errors by Jeter and Melky Cabrera, and Ray Durham follows with a bases-clearing double.

Man, the Giants really needed something to start getting well. Even better when it's against the Yankees. :D

[Fredo521]

Beckett beat Peavey for an MLB-leading 11-1 :) After today, Sox will be 11.5 games ahead of yankees. Tis a good day.

[furcalchick]

Beckett beat Peavey for an MLB-leading 11-1 :) After today, Sox will be 11.5 games ahead of yankees. Tis a good day.

it's peavy, and it's horrible news. i hate josh beckett with a passion, he's annoying. and peavy didn't do so well today, another loss. and now the padres are out of first, with the d-backs soon to be a game on them.

and talking about teams in first, the muts swept oakland, yuck. looks like the angels are opening up a cushy lead in that division.

[fotografica]

i hate josh beckett with a passion, he's annoying.


You're going to hate him even more when he wins the AL Cy Young this year..
Clemen's going in in relief??Is Torre blowing through his bullpen that much?

[Teh Don Ditty]

You're going to hate him even more when he wins the AL Cy Young this year..
Clemen's going in in relief??Is Torre blowing through his bullpen that much?

I wasn't aware we had a bullpen.... could've fooled me.

[mattscott306]

I wasn't aware we had a bullpen.... could've fooled me.

We didn't last season, but we bought one this go 'round... we seemed to have lost our starting pitchers though...

[steamboat26]

You're going to hate him even more when he wins the AL Cy Young this year..
Clemen's going in in relief??Is Torre blowing through his bullpen that much?

Becketts going to choke this year, just like he did last year, right after the all star break ;)
Also, in case you weren't aware, we had to use ALL of our bullpen (except mo) when we went 13 innings against the giants on saturday

[Jschultz]

Remember, if your team isn't doing so well...at least you're not the Chicago White Sox.

We've lost 22 out of the last 27. Even the Cincinnati Reds are laughing at us.

[Fredo521]

Becketts going to choke this year, just like he did last year, right after the all star break ;)

And A-Rod in the post-season :p Sorry, couldn't resist.

[steamboat26]

And A-Rod in the post-season :p Sorry, couldn't resist.

But with the way he's playing this year, i doubt it :cool:

[Counterfit]

But with the way he's playing this year, i doubt it :cool:

You're right, he won't choke in this year's postseason.








Because the Yankees aren't gonna make it. :p

[furcalchick]

four shutouts in one week by the braves...i'm starting to think 2007 is going to be way worse than 2006 was. this offense just swings for the fences instead of playing proper baseball, that's what is mainly killing us this year.

yes, pitching>hitting, but when hitting=0, the best pitching in the world can't make this a winning team. and we're doing decent in the pitching department, it's just that we've done squat in the hitting.

and nobody has noticed the angels, those guys are so hot (i listen to angels baseball rants and raves (http://angels.rarn.net), you should too.) this team i think is going to win it all if this keeps up. i bet saunders goes somewhere else though.

and on the subject of podcasts, on your next post, give us a baseball podcast (not espn or mlb) that we should all listen to, and link to their itunes or web page.

[mattscott306]

I've decided I'm not going to talk about the braves again until they score 2 runs in a ballgame. Until then, I'll discuss any other team in baseball, but my silent protests of the braves offensive problems will continue. I mean, come on, it's not that hard to hit a fastball going 97 miles an hour

[steamboat26]

You're right, he won't choke in this year's postseason.

Because the Yankees aren't gonna make it. :p

We'll see come october :p

[fotografica]

Becketts going to choke this year, just like he did last year, right after the all star break ;)
Also, in case you weren't aware, we had to use ALL of our bullpen (except mo) when we went 13 innings against the giants on saturday

OMFG!!!..Excuse me while I wipe my drink off my monitor..Yeah,ok guy..Uhhh, and yeahhhhh,I was aware of the Yankees using all of their so called "bullpen". That was my point Mr. "I love Roger"..Torre has had a habit of using all of his bullpen all year,even in blowouts. Witness Proctor and Farnsworth,lol..And I thought we paid a lot for a relief man in Piniero..Look at what the Yankee's paid for theirs,lol??? Gimme friggin break.....At some point you gotta acknowledge the Yankees have serious flaws.You can put up all the runs in the world,without pitching,you'll never see October. And if you think this is the same Beckett of last year,you need to take your medication.......

[steamboat26]

At some point you gotta acknowledge the Yankees have serious flaws.You can put up all the runs in the world,without pitching,you'll never see October. And if you think this is the same Beckett of last year,you need to take your medication.......

I never said that the yankees didn't have any flaws, their record is evidence of that. I'll i'm saying is that after the all star break, the red sox will cool off, and the yankees will get hot again.
Remember a certain 5 game home sweep at Fenway last year ;)
I know we only have like one series left against the sox, but you can't count the yankees out
Also, I know beckett is looking better this year, but he's not going to be stellar all year, he might not completely crash, but he will choke in more than a few starts :p

[MacNut]

I say the Red Sox pitch Wakefield all season.:p

[mattscott306]

My vow of silence worked. The braves have apparently found where they left their bats, Saltalamacchia has 2 home runs (first multi HR game of the career) Andruw managed to hit a ball deep (first extra base hit since june 3rd), lots of hits in the past two inning, lots of well hit balls that have been caught. Hopefully we can get a little something started here before the all star break.

[furcalchick]

i love salty...even though he's a big liar.

[mattscott306]

even though he's a big liar.

Say what?

[MacNut]

Didn't they make a new rule that the pitcher had 12 seconds to release the ball. Why do I not see any difference.

P.S. Proctor sucks.

[furcalchick]

Say what?

you heard me, salty's a liar. he said to me during spring training that he had an eye condition and needed to wear sunglasses all the time...sure...he just didn't want to take off his shades.

i think he likes me...but too bad he's married.

[mattscott306]

you heard me, salty's a liar. he said to me during spring training that he had an eye condition and needed to wear sunglasses all the time...sure...he just didn't want to take off his shades.

i think he likes me...but too bad he's married.

His wife is pretty hot, you've got a lot of competition... hope your well endowed.

Edit: Wow, Andruws HR actually made the intro to sports center tonight.

[mattscott306]

Roger Clemens with a shutout last night.

Oh wait... maybe it was a strike free night?

I know I promised to root for the yanks, but I'm not a huge Clemens fan (read: I think he's the whore of baseball).

[iKwick7]

Roger Clemens with a shutout last night.

Oh wait... maybe it was a strike free night?

I know I promised to root for the yanks, but I'm not a huge Clemens fan (read: I think he's the whore of baseball).

As bad he did last night, what's worse- Clemens not striking anyone out or the Yanks not scoring any runs?

He was doing decent- until that 6th inning. No run support by the offense though is just pathetic. It's really hard to watch these games.

[mattscott306]

As bad he did last night, what's worse- Clemens not striking anyone out or the Yanks not scoring any runs?

He was doing decent- until that 6th inning. No run support by the offense though is just pathetic. It's really hard to watch these games.

The braves had one run over the course of like 41 innings (scoreless in 31 one innings), so I know how you feel about not hitting runs.

Though good God, the offense decided to wake up...

[furcalchick]

Roger Clemens with a shutout last night.

Oh wait... maybe it was a strike free night?

I know I promised to root for the yanks, but I'm not a huge Clemens fan (read: I think he's the whore of baseball).

clemens is ugh...but at least he signed a ball for me. i have to credit him for that, but then again, my friend is in the astros system, probably did it as a favor to a fellow person in the system.

The braves had one run over the course of like 41 innings (scoreless in 31 one innings), so I know how you feel about not hitting runs.

Though good God, the offense decided to wake up...

13 runs and 22 hits...wow. hope this lasts through the road trip. and the new wallpaper i splattered on isn't coming off as long as we keep winning. i may post it in the july wallpaper since it's almost july.

[MacNut]

As the rain falls the Yankees are back on top in Baltimore.

[mattscott306]

Mets/Cards game was canceled tonight, what a bummer.

I hate nights when there is no baseball on tv, it tempts me into calling comcast and getting an MLB package.

[Teh Don Ditty]

Mets/Cards game was canceled tonight, what a bummer.

I hate nights when there is no baseball on tv, it tempts me into calling comcast and getting an MLB package.

Wrong thread :p

EDIT: MacNut we're still waiting for you to become a demi....

[mattscott306]

Wrong thread :p

Hmm... I don't have any idea what you're talking about. ;)

[Teh Don Ditty]

The Big Hurt got his 500th homer and Biggio got his 3000th hit. Tis be a historical day.

[MacNut]

Wrong thread :p

EDIT: MacNut we're still waiting for you to become a demi....It will happen this month, or next month as in July, but probably not until 2 weeks as Im starting vacation tonight.:)

[mattscott306]

Why did I think Thomas hit 500 yesterday?

[Teh Don Ditty]

It will happen this month, but probably not until 2 weeks as Im starting vacation tonight.:)

Ok, you have 2 weeks from today. On 7/12 you best be a demi.

Enjoy your vacation.

Why did I think Thomas hit 500 yesterday?

Because you're a post skimmer :p

[mattscott306]

It will happen this month, or next month as in July, but probably not until 2 weeks as Im starting vacation tonight.:)

Vacation in the private forums, sounds like a plan to me. You should bump up your subscription. :p

[steamboat26]

(read: I think he's the whore of baseball).

I can understand why you think that- because he continually comes back for huge, short term contracts; but isn't Barry Bonds more deserving of that title :p

Sorry to any Giants/Bonds supporters, but there is really no way that he could have done this without any sort of illegal/morally questionable aide.

[MacNut]

So at the moment the Yankee/O's game is in a rain delay until August.

[furcalchick]

just lost fantasy points, cubs had a walk off homer with two outs in the ninth, meaning my pitcher doesn't get a win...and the muts won, yuck.

oh well, just over an hour until the braves are on, and i get to watch on tv!!

[Counterfit]

His wife is pretty hot, you've got a lot of competition
Prove it.

P.S. Proctor sucks.

We've been telling you that since last year. :rolleyes:

[furcalchick]

the show has been blacked out for me, so i can't watch the live show.

[furcalchick]

if apple ran the all star announcements, here's how it would go.

1. the announcements of the all stars would be made the day before in whatever city the game is in, right before batting practice. big event to announce the all star members on the field.

2. rumors would be flying in the week before to find out the all stars (like rumor: renteria received phone call from la russa, all star?), or (rumor: arod headed to all star city), and stuff like that. it will be fun seeing speculation stories fly around as the only ones that know about the all stars would be people in mlb.

3. everything would be kept as minimal as possible, extra security around players before festivities start so they don't find out, but rumors would go with pictures.

wouldn't that spice up the all star announcements? make it fun for everyone to speculate up to the day before the game, then bust out all of it right on the spot.

[zephead]

The way Apple releases stuff before they even acknowledge anything about it is really tedious. I can live with it with their products but I dunno about doing All-Star announcements that way. :p

And if they did announce All-Stars like that, I wouldn't be able to say this: Russell Martin (Dodgers) is starting NL catcher!! :D :D

[MacNut]

Someone explain how Barry Bonds was voted into the starting line up. he should not even be in the all star game IMO. And how can Ortiz be voted in as a first baseman if he is a DH. I don't understand how he should be allowed to take away from a true first baseman that deserves a spot. I think they should have a rule change that if there isn't going to be a DH in the game then why allow a DH to be voted in. Either add a DH or let a true first baseman start.

[steamboat26]

Someone explain how Barry Bonds was voted into the starting line up.
Because people really want to believe in him :rolleyes:

Similarly, why is Manny Ramirez consistently voted into the all star game (albeit a back-up outfielder) if he always refuses to play?
He deserves a spot, and this isn't an attack on the sox, but shouldn't Manny play for his fans?

[MacNut]

Anyone have any thoughts about Mike Hargrove leaving the Mariners.

[steamboat26]

Anyone have any thoughts about Mike Hargrove leaving the Mariners.

kind of a bummer, the mariners are looking good this season :(

[aloofman]

Anyone have any thoughts about Mike Hargrove leaving the Mariners.

I guess we should take Hargrove at his word, that he really doesn't feel up to managing anymore. But it's really unfair to the rest of the franchise for him to just quit on them. They can't help but feel let down.

[mattscott306]

Anyone have any thoughts about Mike Hargrove leaving the Mariners.

It's pretty unprecedented. Eight straight wins and your manager resigns? That's gotta throw your team a little bit. If he is telling the truth, and it is about a loss of passion, then I think he's a stand up guy. If it's some other reason that we're not seeing, then honestly, I hope the poor guy can fade into he background and not have a load of crap dragged out about the situation.

[fotografica]

Anyone have any thoughts about Mike Hargrove leaving the Mariners.

My feeling is that it's something personal,ie health,family,marriage..The Mariners are winning and are playing some good ball right now.To just up and step down right before the All Star break,there's more to it...

[Sayhey]

Someone explain how Barry Bonds was voted into the starting line up. he should not even be in the all star game IMO. And how can Ortiz be voted in as a first baseman if he is a DH. I don't understand how he should be allowed to take away from a true first baseman that deserves a spot. I think they should have a rule change that if there isn't going to be a DH in the game then why allow a DH to be voted in. Either add a DH or let a true first baseman start.

Compare Bonds' stats to Carlos Beltran's. Bonds' are superior in almost every category, but you choose to complain about Bonds being voted in? Last I looked Barry was second in slugging pct. and first in on-base percentage. He deserves to be in the game based on his numbers.

[IJ Reilly]

Every year it seems we have arguments about who deserves to play at the All Star Game, forgetting I suppose that it's the fans who put them there.

[Kwyjibo]

Anyone have any thoughts about Mike Hargrove leaving the Mariners.

Hargrove did something wrong we don't know about. Thats my guess as it seems to explain the most. It doesn't even have to "wrong" it could just be something the mgmt didn't like. We shall see.

I didn't like Bonds swining in before Soriano.

[steamboat26]

Career win 350 for the rocket :)
Unfortunately the sox won too :mad:

[cycocelica]

Career win 350 for the rocket :)
Unfortunately the sox won too :mad:

can't catch a break.

[furcalchick]

the muts finally lost and we blow it...again. argh.

[IJ Reilly]

the muts finally lost and we blow it...again. argh.

Actually, you were beaten in every way a team can be beaten: on pitching, offense, running, and defensive play.

I just don't want to hear about Matt Kemp being trade bait. This guy smacked a HR that hit the back wall of the bullpen -- off John Smoltz, no less.

[aloofman]

I just don't want to hear about Matt Kemp being trade bait. This guy smacked a HR that hit the back wall of the bullpen -- off John Smoltz, no less.

Actually, as Vin pointed out after the commercial, Tsao caught it in the bullpen. But your point is taken.

And just when you thought Martin couldn't impress you more, he busts out a game like that. The guy is a dynamo.

[furcalchick]

Actually, you were beaten in every way a team can be beaten: on pitching, offense, running, and defensive play.

I just don't want to hear about Matt Kemp being trade bait. This guy smacked a HR that hit the back wall of the bullpen -- off John Smoltz, no less.

i know, you guys are a good team, we suck and got lucky against bad teams. and we did get smacked, but i think it was partly because we were tired.

[IJ Reilly]

Actually, as Vin pointed out after the commercial, Tsao caught it in the bullpen. But your point is taken.

And just when you thought Martin couldn't impress you more, he busts out a game like that. The guy is a dynamo.

I know but Tsao caught the ball at the back wall of the bullpen. It's rare to see a guy with that much power. I think he's a keeper.

Martin is truly something, and you know he's bound to get better as his desire and intensity is tempered by more experience.

i know, you guys are a good team, we suck and got lucky against bad teams. and we did get smacked, but i think it was partly because we were tired.

It's a long season. I was pleased by the way the Dodgers played this game. It took more than one thing to beat Smoltz on a night when he seemed in command.

[aloofman]

It's a long season. I was pleased by the way the Dodgers played this game. It took more than one thing to beat Smoltz on a night when he seemed in command.

What I liked about it was that even though they were fortunate to get the Kemp homer -- because Loney wasn't retired on the passed-ball-strikeout -- they still busted the game open the next inning. They took advantage of the Braves' mistake, then kept pouring it on.

At the same time, sometimes you wish they could save those extra runs for other games. :rolleyes: And tough luck that Lowe couldn't get the win in that game. He's pitched well, but his record doesn't show it.

[IJ Reilly]

What I liked about it was that even though they were fortunate to get the Kemp homer -- because Loney wasn't retired on the passed-ball-strikeout -- they still busted the game open the next inning. They took advantage of the Braves' mistake, then kept pouring it on.

At the same time, sometimes you wish they could save those extra runs for other games. :rolleyes: And tough luck that Lowe couldn't get the win in that game. He's pitched well, but his record doesn't show it.

True story. Taking advantage of opportunities is one thing the Dodgers have not done well so far this season. I hope you're changing you mind some about Pierre. He really does drive pitchers and catchers nuts when he gets on base. He should practice that bunt double move.

Roll-over runs. Maybe they need to sign up for a provider who offers a plan.

My biggest concern right now is with Brett Tomko. Lately he seems to give up runs every time he pitches.

[aloofman]

True story. Taking advantage of opportunities is one thing the Dodgers have not done well so far this season. I hope you're changing you mind some about Pierre. He really does drive pitchers and catchers nuts when he gets on base. He should practice that bunt double move.

I haven't changed my mind about him. His base-stealing is by far his best asset. I just don't think he gets on base often enough to make up for his complete lack of power. I admit that he hasn't looked as lost in center field lately though.

My biggest concern right now is with Brett Tomko. Lately he seems to give up runs every time he pitches.

Don't remind me. I was at the game Saturday night when he coughed up the game in the 12th inning. Good news from that game was that Nomar looked like maybe he's turned the corner.

[IJ Reilly]

Don't remind me. I was at the game Saturday night when he coughed up the game in the 12th inning. Good news from that game was that Nomar looked like maybe he's turned the corner.

Nomar should have been dropped down in the batting order long ago. Martin is thriving in the number three spot, something all of us armchair managers knew would happen if only Grady would make the move.

We're going to be at the game on Friday. I don't know who is starting yet but whoever it is, I'll be doing my best whammy-sign on the bullpen to make sure they don't bring in Tomko with anything less than a five run lead.

[wrldwzrd89]

Wow, what's up with the Tampa Bay Devil Rays? Their offense is terrible, they're commiting far more errors than they should be, and they've lost 8 games in a row. The Cleveland Indians kinda brushed them aside in their latest 4-game series, especially in the 4th game...

Disclaimer: I'm a Cleveland Indians fan, but I have every right to look at things from the Devil Rays' perspective.:p

[aloofman]

Disclaimer: I'm a Cleveland Indians fan, but I have every right to look at things from the Devil Rays' perspective.:p

It's good to know that someone is. :D

[aloofman]

Nomar should have been dropped down in the batting order long ago. Martin is thriving in the number three spot, something all of us armchair managers knew would happen if only Grady would make the move.

We're going to be at the game on Friday. I don't know who is starting yet but whoever it is, I'll be doing my best whammy-sign on the bullpen to make sure they don't bring in Tomko with anything less than a five run lead.

The impression I get is that Little wants to give the veterans a chance to hit out of their slumps, but that he will move a guy if he has to. This must be the "player's manager" rep that I had heard about. He also moved Pierre way down in the order briefly too. Personally, I don't think it should have taken so long to get Loney and Kemp more playing time, but I think it's fair to say that Little hasn't made many mistakes.

The Penny vs. Peavey pitching duel on Saturday night might have been the best pitching duel I've seen in person. Both of them went seven and gave up one run. Except for the All-Star game, we might not see a better pitching matchup before the playoffs.

[zephead]

Wow, what's up with the Tampa Bay Devil Rays? Their offense is terrible, they're commiting far more errors than they should be, and they've lost 8 games in a row.

So uhh... what else is new? :p

[asxtb]

Anyone have any thoughts about Mike Hargrove leaving the Mariners.
Seattle's 0-2 with Hargrove gone. Gave up 17 runs to the Royals. Are the Mariners done for the year?

It's pretty unprecedented. Eight straight wins and your manager resigns? That's gotta throw your team a little bit. If he is telling the truth, and it is about a loss of passion, then I think he's a stand up guy. If it's some other reason that we're not seeing, then honestly, I hope the poor guy can fade into he background and not have a load of crap dragged out about the situation.
A 'standup guy'? Even if he had a lack of passion he was rather selfish to just give up on the team. He could have been even more of a standup guy by keeping his mouth shut and finishing the season for the team.

[fotografica]

can't catch a break.

Gonna take more than a break.Old age is catching up to them...

[zioxide]

Gonna take more than a break.Old age is catching up to them...

They better not hope the break is Roger falling down some stairs and breaking a hip or something.