Official 2007 MLB Season Thread

[mattscott306]

A 'standup guy'? Even if he had a lack of passion he was rather selfish to just give up on the team. He could have been even more of a standup guy by keeping his mouth shut and finishing the season for the team.

And becoming a hypocrite by expecting his players to show passion on the field when he has none himself?

[steamboat26]

Wow, nobody has written on this thread for 2 days?!?!

So much news, Yankees won, A-rod hit his 29th homer. Red Sox lost.

Twins and Sox had an insanely high scoring game. 34 runs between them. And in the second game, managed to shut out the Sox 12-0.

[furcalchick]

more good news, mutts are on a big losing streak and we are on our way to a third win in a row...i think we will finally overtake the muts...blasted asb.

and btw, i hate the asg, the nl never wins, and why doesn't mlb just make the al have home field every year from now on? if not, we get the next decade of hfa...grr.

[MacNut]

A-Rod also tied with Lou Gehrig with 493 HR's.

[Counterfit]

A-Rod also tied with Lou Gehrig with 493 HR's.

Junior tied Frank Robinson with 586.

I would have loved to see Coco hit a second grand slam from the other side of the plate last night. It's only been done once before, by Bill Mueller, which was also during a game at Fenway.



Also, the Red Sox are still the only team in the AL East above .500. :p

[zioxide]

Oki got named to the all-star team yesterday after winning the final internet vote. :D

So six Sox are going. It should be 7 though. Youk wasn't even on the ballot. :(

[fotografica]

The Red Sox will not keep up the pace they are on all season long. I am not worried yet. If at the All Star break the Yankees are 8 behind Boston then I will worry. Once the Yankees get on a role the hitting and pitching will fall into place.

Are you worried yet?:p Where's that Yankee's rolllllll????

[MacNut]

Are you worried yet?:p Where's that Yankee's rolllllll????Yankees took 2 of 3 from LA, giving them a 12-0 beating today. While the Red Sox got swept in Detroit, I will take 10 back at the all star break. Do I want to be closer, yes but at the moment I have to be able to live with where we are and hope the Red Sox struggles continue.:)

[mattscott306]

Burhle got another four years as a black sock.

Well... I guess that means we won't be acquiring him as a third starter. :mad:

[zioxide]

Yankees took 2 of 3 from LA, giving them a 12-0 beating today. While the Red Sox got swept in Detroit, I will take 10 back at the all star break. Do I want to be closer, yes but at the moment I have to be able to live with where we are and hope the Red Sox struggles continue.:)

Losing 3 in a row isn't a big deal when we had won the 4 before them.

[mattscott306]

Losing 3 in a row isn't a big deal when we had won the 4 before them.

Umm... losing three in a row is never good.

World wins the Futures game today 7-2.

[MacNut]

Burhle got another four years as a black sock.

Well... I guess that means we won't be acquiring him as a third starter. :mad:Was he ever rumored to be going to the Braves, I thought the Red Sox were the front runners?:confused:

[mattscott306]

Was he ever rumored to be going to the Braves, I thought the Red Sox were the front runners?:confused:

There was talk on our end, there was an article in the AJC (Atlanta Journal Constitution) as well as a mention on the braves site. It's known we need another starter, and he was the best on the (very slim) market.

[cycocelica]

Losing 3 in a row isn't a big deal when we had won the 4 before them.

Please. Stop trying to kid yourself.

[rhagen]

Lets go Padres!!! First place

[Counterfit]

Please. Stop trying to kid yourself.

At least we can lose 3 in a row and remain over .500. :rolleyes:

[cycocelica]

At least we can lose 3 in a row and remain over .500. :rolleyes:

Well give yourself a pat on the back. That is not what I was talking about. Losing 3 in a row is not something to just brush away.

[xsedrinam]

Well give yourself a pat on the back. That is not what I was talking about. Losing 3 in a row is not something to just brush away.
That's the truth. It's an indicator that something's not right under the hood. STL has lost 3 in a row four times, 4 in a row once and 5 in a row once, this season. They may never see .500 ball this year.

[mattscott306]

Lets go Padres!!! First place

Y'all gave me a little scare last night with your comeback.

Our closer (Bobby Wickman) hasn't been so hawt lately. Our setup guy needs to be moved to our closers role.

[rhagen]

Y'all gave me a little scare last night with your comeback.

Our closer (Bobby Wickman) hasn't been so hawt lately. Our setup guy needs to be moved to our closers role.

I know Padres always do that, they will make a comeback but never win it haha. Unless it is the dodgers =)

[furcalchick]

just give the al home field forevermore. i'm done with the all star game.

i hope peavy starts the all star game.

edit: he's starting the game, along with dan haren. good.

[mattscott306]

just give the al home field forevermore. i'm done with the all star game.

i hope peavy starts the all star game.

edit: he's starting the game, along with dan haren. good.

Are we going to get started on the fact that its an exhibition game that counts?

[cycocelica]

I think the fact that the All Star games decides home field advantage is cool. Gives it just a little bit more meaning.

[fotografica]

Well give yourself a pat on the back. That is not what I was talking about. Losing 3 in a row is not something to just brush away.

And the Yankees should know more than anybody about losing three or more in a row...:rolleyes::rolleyes: Such promise there in the Bronx..

[cycocelica]

And the Yankees should know more than anybody about losing three or more in a row...:rolleyes::rolleyes: Such promise there in the Bronx..

Umm...ok? And your point is...? :rolleyes:

Thanks for pointing out that the Yankees have lost 3 games, Captain. If you read my post, no where do I state "The Yankees have never lost 3 games in a row." Instead, I said "losing 3 games is not something to brush off." Which it seems like you did.

Heaven forbid I say something terrible about the "Godly" Red Sox. Get over it.

[cycocelica]

Barry not participating in the HR Derby in is home town is stupid. This is what the people of SF live for, and he lets down the fans AGAIN.

[aloofman]

Barry not participating in the HR Derby in is home town is stupid. This is what the people of SF live for, and he lets down the fans AGAIN.

I'm not sure when people started being disappointed that Barry Bonds doesn't care about people other than himself. Not that he's the only athlete who's like that, but it's a little late to start expecting him to throw a bone to his own fans.

On the other hand, lots of sluggers have opted out of the home run derby for pretty good reasons: risk of injury, need for rest, lack of interest, worry that it will screw up their mechanics. Would it be nice for the Giants fans if he did it? Yes. Is he doing anything differently than dozens of All-Star players before him? No.

[cycocelica]

I'm not sure when people started being disappointed that Barry Bonds doesn't care about people other than himself. Not that he's the only athlete who's like that, but it's a little late to start expecting him to throw a bone to his own fans.

On the other hand, lots of sluggers have opted out of the home run derby for pretty good reasons: risk of injury, need for rest, lack of interest, worry that it will screw up their mechanics. Would it be nice for the Giants fans if he did it? Yes. Is he doing anything differently than dozens of All-Star players before him? No.

This is true, but I just know most of SF would like to see him do it. I understand he might hurt himself, but he could just get himself out if it didn't work out.

[mattscott306]

I think the fact that the All Star games decides home field advantage is cool. Gives it just a little bit more meaning.

I'm fine with it deciding homefield advantage, but if thats gonna be the case, then don't require one player from every team to fill the roster. Then you have players who are just there because of the rule.

If you're gonna require a player from every team than the game should remain exhibition only. I'd rather see Home field advantage decided by record, as it was before, or by which league has the better record in inter league play.

[mattscott306]

Ok, does the coverage ESPN is putting up seem really crude and crappy to anyone else?

It's like "Hey, lets go out and wing it"

Really annoying.

[furcalchick]

Ok, does the coverage ESPN is putting up seem really crude and crappy to anyone else?

It's like "Hey, lets go out and wing it"

Really annoying.

YES!! one of the reasons the network sucks now. all they do is talk. and its like half the show is yap. we do want to be finished by christmas.

[Teh Don Ditty]

The HR Derby is way tooooooooo long.

Interrupting the premiere of "The Bronx Is Burning"

[furcalchick]

The HR Derby is way tooooooooo long.

Interrupting the premiere of "The Bronx Is Burning"

espn needs to stop yapping so much, or extend it's timeslot to 3 hours, since it's been running over for the past how many years...

[WildCowboy]

The HR Derby is way tooooooooo long.

Vlad Guerrero's 503-foot homer that was headed straight for the huge glove was also way tooooooooo long. ;)

[Teh Don Ditty]

espn needs to stop yapping so much, or extend it's timeslot to 3 hours, since it's been running over for the past how many years...

Might have to be 4 hours. We gotta interview everybody and their mother you know.

Vlad Guerrero's 503-foot homer that was headed straight for the huge glove was also way tooooooooo long. ;)

That's not the only thing.... errr sorry wrong thread :p

[MacNut]

I was bored with home run derby this year. The first round sucked, I don't like the "new rules" they started a few years ago either. I think I fell asleep during the second round.:p I usually like to watch the celebrity softball challenge but that was on so late that I slept through it.:o

[Silencio]

Barry not participating in the HR Derby in is home town is stupid. This is what the people of SF live for, and he lets down the fans AGAIN.

As a "person of SF", I'd be more upset if Barry messed up his swing or tired himself out or injured himself in a meaningless HR exhibition. It's not like he's 25 anymore, and it's not like the Giants have any other legitimate power threats in their lineup.

Besides, I like seeing the younger guys that I don't get as much of a chance to watch. Alex Rios was pretty impressive.

[MacNut]

Someone explain how Manny Ramirez made the all star team over Gary Sheffield.

[zioxide]

Someone explain how Manny Ramirez made the all star team over Gary Sheffield.

Because he's Manny.

[MacNut]

Because he's Manny.The problem is that he is not being Manny this year. His numbers are not all star quality.

[zioxide]

The problem is that he is not being Manny this year. His numbers are not all star quality.

That's what happens when you have the fans vote.

[j/k/Andy]

Good All Star game so far, but I do hate national broadcasters, Joe Buck is a tool, but not as bad as espn games.

[furcalchick]

typical. why not just scrap this one counts and just say "al gets home field all the time". that way we know the nl is the inferior league.

[Teh Don Ditty]

Good All Star game so far, but I do hate national broadcasters, Joe Buck is a tool, but not as bad as espn games.

Joe Buck being a tool is the understatement of the century.

typical. why not just scrap this one counts and just say "al gets home field all the time". that way we know the nl is the inferior league.

We know they are. I'll be saying that about the AL when we go on a 10 game ASG losing streak.

Not that it matter anyway, an NL team one the WS last season.... not sure how still.

[furcalchick]

i personally think it's a yankees-red sox conspiracy. make the northeast teams better advantaged and ratings pour in.

[Teh Don Ditty]

i personally think it's a yankees-red sox conspiracy. make the northeast teams better advantaged and ratings pour in.

Yanks/Red Sox get a lot of exposure due to their histories and rather extensive fan base. Of course MLB is going to want to showcase this to bring in more money. Money talk and Bull S*** walks. MLB is a business nothing more.

EDIT: Look at your Braves for example. 14 Straight Division Championship, multiple WS appearances and 1 ring. Yet, you can't even sell out a playoff game! What is wrong with this picture?

[furcalchick]

Yanks/Red Sox get a lot of exposure due to their histories and rather extensive fan base. Of course MLB is going to want to showcase this to bring in more money. Money talk and Bull S*** walks. MLB is a business nothing more.

yeah, but they make it seem like if you don't care about those two, you hate baseball and your baseball loyalty comes down to those two.

[Teh Don Ditty]

yeah, but they make it seem like if you don't care about those two, you hate baseball and your baseball loyalty comes down to those two.

You're not a fan of those teams! Blasphemy! :rolleyes:

I see what you're saying, I'm not that blinded by MLB's tactics. As I said though, it's a business. I'm sure MLB would love to put say like Marlins and Pirates on ESPN Sunday Night Baseball, but it wouldn't make them any money. Sure, it would be fun to watch all the young talent but it wouldn't be of any interest. They wanna showcase the best (I'm not saying NYY/BOS is the best teams, I'm saying they are money makers).

[zioxide]

:o

Leyland should have left Papelbon in :p

Bases now loaded.


BRING IN OKI

edit:.... and the game is over. AL wins 5-4.

[furcalchick]

You're not a fan of those teams! Blasphemy! :rolleyes:

I see what you're saying, I'm not that blinded by MLB's tactics. As I said though, it's a business. I'm sure MLB would love to put say like Marlins and Pirates on ESPN Sunday Night Baseball, but it wouldn't make them any money. Sure, it would be fun to watch all the young talent but it wouldn't be of any interest. They wanna showcase the best (I'm not saying NYY/BOS is the best teams, I'm saying they are money makers).

i know, but over saturation of 1-2 teams is bad for everyone, as everyone only gets to see those two teams and nothing else.

and congrats to the chokers of the nl and bud, denying home field since 1999.

[Teh Don Ditty]

i know, but over saturation of 1-2 teams is bad for everyone, as everyone only gets to see those two teams and nothing else.

and congrats to the chokers of the nl and bud, denying home field since 1999.

No argument from me, as a baseball fan I rather see teams that usually don't get Sunday night baseball worked into the rotation. You usually see the following teams on Sunday night: Yanks, Sox, Mets, Braves (Not always playing each other of course.)

Err 1996 my dear. You know when the Yankees beat your Braves in the WS? :p

[MacNut]

Leeland is a horrible manager, where was Rivera to close out the game.;) At least the Yankees will get home field.:D

Next years All Star game will be banging. Can't wait to see Home Run Derby in Ruth's house.

[IJ Reilly]

Good All Star game so far, but I do hate national broadcasters, Joe Buck is a tool, but not as bad as espn games.

So you didn't like how they were running that swimming dog stunt while the first inside-the-park home run in All Star Game history was happening?

[xsedrinam]

So you didn't like how they were running that swimming dog stunt while the first inside-the-park home run in All Star Game history was happening?
I didn't see the game. Tell me they didn't do that. (Though I'm afraid I know the answer)

[Teh Don Ditty]

I didn't see the game. Tell me they didn't do that. (Though I'm afraid I know the answer)

I think you already know the answer.

[MacNut]

So can they make sure that everything works before they get ready for the singing of "God Bless America". It was like 3 minutes of dead air.

[djbahdow01]

That's what happens when you have the fans vote.


He didn't get voted in by the fans. He was close but not quite. The fans only vote on the starters, it was the players who decide the reserves. Manny is a popular player no matter what, hopefully he gets his slugging power up and start bashing in the 2nd half.

[IJ Reilly]

I didn't see the game. Tell me they didn't do that. (Though I'm afraid I know the answer)

Oh yes. Finally, they cut away from the swimming dog when they realized that something interesting was happening on the field. I changed channels and watched a John Wayne movie for the balance of the evening. And they complain that the All Star Game is attracting fewer viewers every year. It must be because they don't show enough dog stunts during the game.

[furcalchick]

Oh yes. Finally, they cut away from the swimming dog when they realized that something interesting was happening on the field. I changed channels and watched a John Wayne movie for the balance of the evening. And they complain that the All Star Game is attracting fewer viewers every year. It must be because they don't show enough dog stunts during the game.

fox's horrendous coverage of all star games and the playoffs make me not want to watch. and it sounds like it's getting worse. give us the game, not celebrities sitting pretty, or some stupid stunt, the game is the main attraction, and fox seems to forget that, and act as if the all star game is just a platform to promote everything else.

btw, i played ff12 for most of the night, that is until a scratched disc ruined it.

[cycocelica]

Next years All Star game will be banging. Can't wait to see Home Run Derby in Ruth's house.

Definitely going to try and get tickets to the HR Derby and All Star game next year.

[IJ Reilly]

fox's horrendous coverage of all star games and the playoffs make me not want to watch. and it sounds like it's getting worse. give us the game, not celebrities sitting pretty, or some stupid stunt, the game is the main attraction, and fox seems to forget that, and act as if the all star game is just a platform to promote everything else.

And Fox is a couple of cuts above ESPN (the destroyer of post-season baseball).

[furcalchick]

And Fox is a couple of cuts above ESPN (the destroyer of post-season baseball).

don't remind me. at least tbs has coverage this year, so hopefully they brought back quality into the coverage. make me at least love parts of the playoffs again instead of dreading it and wanting me to go back to boxscore watching.

people think i'm crazy when i say i don't watch playoff baseball. i don't watch because the coverage is horrid and i can't stand to watch horrid coverage.

[djbahdow01]

And Fox is a couple of cuts above ESPN (the destroyer of post-season baseball).

So true. They really ned to figure out priorities. Listening to sports talk often, its great when the Sox are on ESPN or Fox on the weekend, and the morning crew bashes the announcers. Love them replaying some of the stupid things said. Always seem to point out the obvious during the game, they don't add anything to it just detract from it. With Fox and ESPN pretty much covering almost all sports guess its just a matter of time till people lose interest because of the telecast.

[IJ Reilly]

So true. They really ned to figure out priorities. Listening to sports talk often, its great when the Sox are on ESPN or Fox on the weekend, and the morning crew bashes the announcers. Love them replaying some of the stupid things said. Always seem to point out the obvious during the game, they don't add anything to it just detract from it. With Fox and ESPN pretty much covering almost all sports guess its just a matter of time till people lose interest because of the telecast.

Yup, and ironically they think they need to "spice up" the broadcasts because viewers will otherwise find the games to be too dull. In reality, they are driving away the real fans of the game, the people who always want to watch because they love baseball. Only a handful of broadcasters still understand what the fans want from them: baseball, not blabbering, jabbering announcers. Even my wife, who I've converted to being a baseball fan only in the last few years, comments on this. It's gone beyond sad, it's becoming tragic. Who will stop these people from killing our game?

[djbahdow01]

Yeah anytime I get the chance to watch the local broadcast, NESN, I do. Jerry Remy and Don Orsillo are great. Somethings I could deal without but no ones perfect, at least they know when to stop. I don't mind watching the Yes network as well. Both networks seem to have the right idea about the games. Let us watch them and chime in when needed. If it gets a little slow they throw in a little story but don't keep on it for 10 minutes.

[zioxide]

Yeah anytime I get the chance to watch the local broadcast, NESN, I do. Jerry Remy and Don Orsillo are great. Somethings I could deal without but no ones perfect, at least they know when to stop. I don't mind watching the Yes network as well. Both networks seem to have the right idea about the games. Let us watch them and chime in when needed. If it gets a little slow they throw in a little story but don't keep on it for 10 minutes.

NESN > *

Orsillo and Remy are great. Like you said, they let you watch the game but when it gets boring, Remy starts telling some hilarious story.

[swiftaw]

Yeah, I love NESN.

I have mlb.tv so I get to see/hear many local announcers. The thing that really drives me crazy is when local announcers refer to players by nicknames, which means I have to spend a minute or two trying to figure out who the heck they are talking about.

[Silencio]

Wow -- Jerry Remy! That's a name I haven't heard in, oh, about 20 years. He was my second baseman on my 1980 fantasy baseball team back in the day, back when I loved all those high batting average guys who didn't take walks (Cecil Cooper to the white courtesy phone, please).

It occurs to me too that my decline in interest in sports in general is at least partially correlated to the precipitous decline in the quality of sports broadcasts (see also NFL, NBA, and college sports). I used to watch the World Series and playoffs every year no matter who was playing; now I only watch when the Giants are involved.

The local broadcasts are a lifesaver, though. The Giants' main team of Mike Krukow and Duane Kuiper started out a bit ragged 10+ years ago, but they have really matured and grown into a great tandem. Very insightful into the finer points of the game and a good deal of irreverance and humor thrown in.

[MacNut]

Im not gonna hold my breath for TBS's coverage of the playoffs. If it is anything like the Braves games then it won't be all that great. Hopefully they will hire some real announcers.

Did La Russa get the worst manager award yet or are they waiting for the season to end first.

[MacNut]

The Yankees have decided to negotiate a contract extension with A-Rod.

I have a new respect for the Phillies after seeing that footage with the tarp in Denver. I think its cool that a visiting team will pitch in to help the grounds crew.

[WildCowboy]

The Yankees have decided to negotiate a contract extension with A-Rod.

Two parties are required for a negotiation...Boras and A-Rod say they won't listen until the end of the season.

[zioxide]

We should get A-Rod to come to Boston to play shortstop instead of Julio "I couldn't hit the ball if it was on a ****ing tee" Lugo.

[furcalchick]

i would check arod for roids...another homer for him.

[fotografica]

The Yankees have decided to negotiate a contract extension with A-Rod.

Boras will listen to all offers first,and then go for the highest $$$..That's been his M.O. all along...He's not into negotiating.

[MacNut]

Boras will listen to all offers first,and then go for the highest $$$..That's been his M.O. all along...He's not into negotiating.What percentage does Boras get, 15%?

[WildCowboy]

What percentage does Boras get, 15%?

According to this (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/articles/040510/10eeagent_2.htm), 5%. And he has a staff of 60.

[MacNut]

The Scott Boras client list. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clients_of_Scott_Boras)

[cycocelica]

So how about that call against Adrian Beltre? It was clear he touched the bag and that he was not tagged out. Bunch of BS if you ask me.

[aloofman]

The Scott Boras client list. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clients_of_Scott_Boras)

Yeah, it's going to be hard to retain Derek Lowe for next season. :o

[furcalchick]

i love buddy carlyle!!! great outing today, and i'm glad i picked him up in fantasy!!! here we come muts!

and marquis sucks. he's a bum.

[Peace]

A-Rod is a traiter to the Mariners.

Good thing Ichiro signed a new contract.We're now 3 games behind the LA Angels.But that will change.;)

[Teh Don Ditty]

A-Rod is a traiter to the Mariners.

Good thing Ichiro signed a new contract.We're now 3 games behind the LA Angels.But that will change.;)

Peace, you're just a little late on that A-Rod comment. ;)

Yea, the M's are surprising everybody. I'd like to see them dethrone the Angels in the West.

[MacNut]

A-Rod is a traiter to the Mariners.

Good thing Ichiro signed a new contract.We're now 3 games behind the LA Angels.But that will change.;)So where does that leave Griffey?

Yankees won Red Sox lost, 9 games back.:)

How about them Phillies, 10,000 losses.:p The worst team in the history of professional sports.

And whats up with Mr sour grapes Sheffield.:rolleyes:

[furcalchick]

sheff is t.o. lite. that's all. he's happy for two years, then he starts whining. unlike t.o. who whines all the time.

[Teh Don Ditty]

The Braves are up next on that list of 10,000 loses. :p

I'm surprised the Cubs haven't achieved that status yet. But we are coming up on that century mark for last World Series.

[steamboat26]

Sheffield just loves controversy, thats why he can't stay with one ball club for too long.

Yankees are back over .500 :cool:

[yg17]

As a St. Louisan and Cardinals fan, I'm proud of the fact that we were the team to beat the Phillies on their 10,000th loss!



Not that they didn't kick our asses the last 2 games, but whatever. 10,000 losses.....I think their little stroke of luck those games didn't last long :D

[IJ Reilly]

How about them Phillies, 10,000 losses.:p The worst team in the history of professional sports.

One game above .500, exactly the same as the Yankees. :p

[iKwick7]

One game above .500, exactly the same as the Yankees. :p

Ouch!

[aloofman]

Dodgers sweep the Giants in SF. Sweeeeeet. :D

[MacNut]

One game above .500, exactly the same as the Yankees. :pThe Yankees have far fewer then 10,000 losses tho.;)

[IJ Reilly]

The Yankees have far fewer then 10,000 losses tho.;)

Granted the Phillies haven't been the winning-est franchise over the years, but they are also one of the oldest, so calling them the "worst team in history" is kind of unfair. I'm sure a lot of teams have far worse records overall, they just haven't been around as long as the Phillies.

[IJ Reilly]

Dodgers sweep the Giants in SF. Sweeeeeet. :D

Even nicer, Bonds goes oh-fer.

[aloofman]

Even nicer, Bonds goes oh-fer.

Even Vin Scully described Bonds as "humiliated," which I thought was a little harsh.

I don't give Dodger pitchers much credit for it though. Bonds' bat looked very slow, at least not like we're used to seeing. Past experience says he'll be hitting lasers again in a week, but he didn't look good this weekend.

[IJ Reilly]

Even Vin Scully described Bonds as "humiliated," which I thought was a little harsh.

I don't give Dodger pitchers much credit for it though. Bonds' bat looked very slow, at least not like we're used to seeing. Past experience says he'll be hitting lasers again in a week, but he didn't look good this weekend.

Bonds himself described the situation as embarrassing. He used that very word, several times. He said he was embarrassed to be wearing the Giants uniform (considering they're in last place... but never mind).

I think it was Russ Martin who said the Dodgers got a little lucky with Bonds this weekend. But give the Dodger pitchers some credit -- they recognized that they were facing a sub-par Bonds and challenged him in several tough situations, with good results.

Also a little bit of redemption for Tomko this weekend. He's been making the case for a while that he's more comfortable as a starter. He may have earned himself the number five spot in the rotation again. We'll see next week.

[aloofman]

Also a little bit of redemption for Tomko this weekend. He's been making the case for a while that he's more comfortable as a starter. He may have earned himself the number five spot in the rotation again. We'll see next week.

His first inning was rough, but otherwise not too bad. With Schmidt out for the season and Wolf sidelined for at least another week, starting Tomko might be the best option even if he didn't earn it. On the other hand, are Tomko or Hendrickson worse than Wolf had been pitching recently?

I'm a little encouraged that they're hitting so well lately, even if I wish they showed a little more power. Any improvement that Nomar can get above his total blackout so far would be like trading for a new player.

[IJ Reilly]

His first inning was rough, but otherwise not too bad. With Schmidt out for the season and Wolf sidelined for at least another week, starting Tomko might be the best option even if he didn't earn it. On the other hand, are Tomko or Hendrickson worse than Wolf had been pitching recently?

I'm a little encouraged that they're hitting so well lately, even if I wish they showed a little more power. Any improvement that Nomar can get above his total blackout so far would be like trading for a new player.

No kidding. If anybody knows why Nomar is struggling, especially in the home run department, they sure aren't saying. It would be bizarre if he ended the season with four homers.

I really hope the fans don't boo Tomko when he takes the mound a Dodger Stadium next time, though I'm afraid they will. What is this, Philadelphia?

[aloofman]

What is this, Philadelphia?

Anyone else think the Phillie-bashing has gotten out of hand? 10,000 losses in 124 years works out to winning about 47% of their games. A season of winning 47% of their games is a record of about 76-86. Not very good, but not really terrible.

Basically, the Phillies' all-time won-loss record suffers because they're one of the oldest teams (actually one of the oldest major sport league franchises on the planet) and they never had any winning dynasties. Similarly old teams like the Cubs and Braves have also had many losing seasons, but they also had many strong seasons. OK, so the Cubs' heyday was 100 years ago, but at least they had one.

Under those circumstances, I'd give the Phillies some credit for sticking around so long in the same city.

[Silencio]

Uch, the Giants are a pathetic joke. Can't come close to beating the Dogs even once at home, Bonds is still hung-over from his big Monday night gala, Brian Sabean gets a contract extension and mouths more empty platitudes about "getting younger", know-nothing ownership that sinks a far too large a percentage of the payroll on Shawn Estes' half-brother?

Back me up to the vodka thread and give me several bottles, stat! And it can't be Winner's Cup vodka: the Giants won't have anything to do with winning for years to come. :( :mad:

[IJ Reilly]

Anyone else think the Phillie-bashing has gotten out of hand? 10,000 losses in 124 years works out to winning about 47% of their games. A season of winning 47% of their games is a record of about 76-86. Not very good, but not really terrible.

Basically, the Phillies' all-time won-loss record suffers because they're one of the oldest teams (actually one of the oldest major sport league franchises on the planet) and they never had any winning dynasties. Similarly old teams like the Cubs and Braves have also had many losing seasons, but they also had many strong seasons. OK, so the Cubs' heyday was 100 years ago, but at least they had one.

Under those circumstances, I'd give the Phillies some credit for sticking around so long in the same city.

That was my earlier point, essentially. Every team is going to lose 10,000 games, eventually, if they exist long enough. The Phillies just managed to get to this dubious landmark first, due mainly to longevity. Ironically, the Phils might even end up with a winning record this season. Currently, they don't suck any more than the Yankees, and arguably a lot less, when you consider the teams' respective payrolls.

My reference to booing fans is a somewhat different matter. Growing up, the only city where baseball fans regularly booed their own team was in Philadelphia -- nobody else would dream of booing the home team. Now I hear it quite a bit at other parks, and I don't care for it. I might groan audibly sometimes, but I will never hoot at my own team, like the notorious boo-birds in Philly.

[MacNut]

A-Rod 32 home runs, 89 rbi's.:)

[Teh Don Ditty]

Cubs acquire Jason Kendall from the A's

ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2938997)

[furcalchick]

Uch, the Giants are a pathetic joke. Can't come close to beating the Dogs even once at home, Bonds is still hung-over from his big Monday night gala, Brian Sabean gets a contract extension and mouths more empty platitudes about "getting younger", know-nothing ownership that sinks a far too large a percentage of the payroll on Shawn Estes' half-brother?

Back me up to the vodka thread and give me several bottles, stat! And it can't be Winner's Cup vodka: the Giants won't have anything to do with winning for years to come. :( :mad:

i know...i sort of feel sorry for you guys. aarp of the big leagues, zito is a bust, ouch.

and talking about busts, kyle davies blew it big time tonight, loaded the bases and failed to retire a batter in what is hopefully his last start as a brave. i know he's a nice guy, but i haven't trust him with any sort of game in over a year, and shouldn't have been pitching with the big club at all for 2007 (lance cormier got hurt at the end of st and davies stayed with us) despite many braves fans thinking he was going to be decent. we stink today, going down 10-3. we should have tried to trade davies during the asb, but too late now...

but at least davies isn't this next guy. scott olsen, one of the big time jerks you may never hear about got suspended for 2 games by the fish (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-0716marlinsolsen,0,7795462.story?coll=sofla_tab02_layout) for his conduct detrimental to the team. i suggest you browse some marlin forums for more info on olsen, but basically, he picks fights and acts like a 20 game winner when he's mediocre at best, his outings are like davies.

idiot mutt fan on radio said the muts will stay in first rest of the year. he's already getting delusional, they are panicking and they know we're coming. at least my padres beat them up, and peavy is going tomorrow.

[Martin C]

Yankees win in 10 innings off a game winning single by Robinson Cano. The Red Sox lose to the 5th Place Royals 9-3.

The Yanks have won 10 out of 13 since the break.

[MacNut]

The Yankees are also only 8 games back in the east, and 6.5 in the wild card.

[MacNut]

Yankees 7 games back in the Al east, 6 back in the wild card.:p

[fotografica]

Now it gets interesting..:D

[steamboat26]

Now it gets interesting..:D

Worried yet? :D

[fotografica]

Worried yet? :D

Nope :p

[furcalchick]

great, just swept by the worst team in the nl. and we lose a game to the muts, now 2.5 games out. ugh.

[djbahdow01]

Worried yet? :D

Nope just a bump in the road. Or 3 and 4 hitters are just getting hot, then again as is the yanks lineup. But the Sox will be fine. Just got to play .500 ball.

[IJ Reilly]

Meanwhile, in news not about New York or Boston, the best record in the NL now belongs to the LA Dodgers.

[furcalchick]

Meanwhile, in news not about New York or Boston, the best record in the NL now belongs to the LA Dodgers.

boo. but please beat the muts for us, since we're so sad we let the reds sweep us.

come on padres, sweep the phillies and don't get too far back of the bums.

[MacNut]

boo. but please beat the muts for us, since we're so sad we let the reds sweep us.

come on padres, sweep the phillies and don't get too far back of the bums.Oh your only 2.5 out, its not the end of the world.:rolleyes:

[IJ Reilly]

boo. but please beat the muts for us, since we're so sad we let the reds sweep us.

come on padres, sweep the phillies and don't get too far back of the bums.

So we're supposed to help the Braves win the NLE by beating the Mets, and then give it up to the Padres? Oh, thanks. Just wait until I ask you for a favor. :rolleyes:

[furcalchick]

So we're supposed to help the Braves win the NLE by beating the Mets, and then give it up to the Padres? Oh, thanks. Just wait until I ask you for a favor. :rolleyes:

you got it.

[furcalchick]

yuck, bonds is probably going to hit 756 when we're in town...gross.

[IJ Reilly]

you got it.

Please lend me $100 but don't ever ask for it back. Deal? :)

[furcalchick]

Please lend me $100 but don't ever ask for it back. Deal? :)

no. but congrats to the bums being the nl's best team. better than the muts. i hate them so much.:mad:

[MacNut]

Worried yet? :D

Nope :pHow bout now.:p

[steamboat26]

Shelley Duncan (Yankees DH) just hit his first major league home run!

[zioxide]

How bout now.:p

Not after the Yankees losing 14-4 last night.. hahaha

[fotografica]

Nice win last night.Great to see the bats,esp Lugo,come alive.And thankfully that blown call in the first didn't cost us the game...

[zioxide]

Nice win last night.Great to see the bats,esp Lugo,come alive.And thankfully that blown call in the first didn't cost us the game...

Yep. Game today starts in about 15 minutes. Glad its on FOX so I can watch it, but it's also unfortunate because Joe ****stick and Tim Mc****stick will probably be the commentators.

[fotografica]

Yep. Game today starts in about 15 minutes. Glad its on FOX so I can watch it, but it's also unfortunate because Joe ****stick and Tim Mc****stick will probably be the commentators.

Whenever those two frauds call the game,I mute it and put on the radio. There's a slight delay,but it's well worth it.....

[swiftaw]

Yep. Game today starts in about 15 minutes. Glad its on FOX so I can watch it, but it's also unfortunate because Joe ****stick and Tim Mc****stick will probably be the commentators.

Gladly *uck and Mc****er are not announcing the Sox-Sox game

[furcalchick]

Yep. Game today starts in about 15 minutes. Glad its on FOX so I can watch it, but it's also unfortunate because Joe ****stick and Tim Mc****stick will probably be the commentators.

no joe buck today, matt v today. i like matty v. he's like the fan next door. but tim mccarver makes it awful.

[zioxide]

Even the guys they have today are a bunch of idiots. They started talking about some stupid **** so I gave up on them and put on WRKO.

Also, what the **** is up with FOX sucking Bonds' dick and showing every one of his at-bats. Nobody outside of San Fran gives a ****, especially the people in Boston.

[swiftaw]

Also, what the **** is up with FOX sucking Bonds' dick and showing every one of his at-bats. Nobody outside of San Fran gives a ****, especially the people in Boston.

Especially as he is still 2 away from tying the record, I can kind of understand them wanting to show the tying HR (755) and the record HR (756) but 754 has no meaning.

[furcalchick]

celebrity interviews during the game. i don't care about what a celebrity is doing at every single moment, i want to watch my game. contrary to popular belief, not all of us are fawning over idols at every single moment, looking to see what they are doing every single second.

[zioxide]

BoSox scored 7 runs in the 7th inning :D

[Sobe]

celebrity interviews during the game. i don't care about what a celebrity is doing at every single moment, i want to watch my game. contrary to popular belief, not all of us are fawning over idols at every single moment, looking to see what they are doing every single second.

get MLB radio.

Best $15 I ever spent.

[mattscott306]

celebrity interviews during the game. i don't care about what a celebrity is doing at every single moment, i want to watch my game. contrary to popular belief, not all of us are fawning over idols at every single moment, looking to see what they are doing every single second.

What? You mean you'd rather watch a baseball game than see the celebrity of the week?!

Say i ain't so!

[MacNut]

Even the guys they have today are a bunch of idiots. They started talking about some stupid **** so I gave up on them and put on WRKO.Joe Girardi who was doing the Fox game does games for the Yankees once in a while, I like him with Paul O' Neil.

Yankees about to sweep the double header.:)

[furcalchick]

get MLB radio.

Best $15 I ever spent.

i had it for two seasons, then quit after audio quality became lousy.:mad:

i may reconsider it next season as i'm getting mlb.tv as well as the audio with the braves getting yanked off tbs (boo to turner).

[zephead]

Bah, the Angels don't have anymore Molinas! Worst of all, both went to teams I hate: Bengie to the Giants, and as of pretty much now, Jose went to the Yankees. :mad: link! (http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070721&content_id=2101692&vkey=news_ana&fext=.jsp&c_id=ana)

[mattscott306]

i had it for two seasons, then quit after audio quality became lousy.:mad:

i may reconsider it next season as i'm getting mlb.tv as well as the audio with the braves getting yanked off tbs (boo to turner).

Yeah, its a real shame, the TBS run combined with out 14 year run really got us a good national fanbase.

[furcalchick]

Bah, the Angels don't have anymore Molinas! Worst of all, both went to teams I hate: Bengie to the Giants, and as of pretty much now, Jose went to the Yankees. :mad: link! (http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070721&content_id=2101692&vkey=news_ana&fext=.jsp&c_id=ana)

there are three molinas actually. yadier is the much younger brother, also catching, for the cardinals, and some says he's the best of the three. he was never on the angels though.

but jose wasn't getting much playing time anymore, with napoli (just off the dl and a decent catcher) and mathis (who i think is no good from what i heard on angels rants and raves and watching a few of their games) getting all of the playing time. i'm just hoping the same thing doesn't happen to salty here in atlanta.

about the tbs thing, someone said that mlb will soon make wgn cut out white sox and cubs games. if that happens, expect wgn to fall into obscurity. i'm hating time warner right now, now we'll get more doses of yankees, mets and red sox. we have enough of that here on our local floriduh talk shows, which are actually takeovers by the northeastern transplants.

[zioxide]

Bah, the Angels don't have anymore Molinas! Worst of all, both went to teams I hate: Bengie to the Giants, and as of pretty much now, Jose went to the Yankees. :mad: link! (http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070721&content_id=2101692&vkey=news_ana&fext=.jsp&c_id=ana)

Wow, the Yankees trading away another young pitcher. What a surprise.

[furcalchick]

Wow, the Yankees trading away another young pitcher. What a surprise.

especially since the angels sent down ervin santana (aka, the vampire, since he only pitches well at night at home), hopefully, joe saunders gets a permanent spot in the rotation soon. sick and tired of him being stuck in AAA.

[MacNut]

The Yankees needed to get rid of their horrible back up catcher Will Nieves, We are not giving up the whole staff just one pitcher so we can get a better backup catcher.

How big a national fan base do the Braves have, I think the Yankees and Red Sox each have a bigger audience then the Braves ever had.

[zephead]

there are three molinas actually. yadier is the much younger brother, also catching, for the cardinals, and some says he's the best of the three. he was never on the angels though.

I know about Yadier, but I didn't mention him because like you said, he was never on the Angels.

[MacNut]

Somehow I think of the Molina brothers as the high flying circus act.:o
Who are actually them....The Flying Wallendas. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flying_Wallendas)

13-3 Yankees bottom of the 4th, Shelly Duncan second career home run.

[zioxide]

woooo

Lester is back! (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070722&content_id=2102174&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos)

Lester is taking Tavarez's place in the rotation tomorrow (monday) night in Cleveland. He's making his first major league start since August 2006 when he was diagnosed with cancer.

Great to see him fully recovered and coming back up to the big leagues :D

[MacNut]

woooo

Lester is back! (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070722&content_id=2102174&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos)

Lester is taking Tavarez's place in the rotation tomorrow (monday) night in Cleveland. He's making his first major league start since August 2006 when he was diagnosed with cancer.

Great to see him fully recovered and coming back up to the big leagues :DI want to see him have a good start but on the other hand I don't.;)

I have lost all respect for Steve Philips after what he said Sunday night.

So the Yankees have wiped the floor with the Devil Rays the past 2 games scoring 38 runs. Every starting player got a hit and scored a run today.:)

[A Pittarelli]

lesters back!

[furcalchick]

miserable day for my teams. first, the muts win, padres get spanked 9-0 by the phils and fail to gain ground on the bums, braves lose late, 7-2 in a pen meltdown, dropping us to 3.5 games back. ugh. and to make it worse, four whole days with barry bonds starting tomorrow.

[MacNut]

Could they have picked a better team for Lester to start against. Cleveland is not going to be a good confidence booster.

[MacNut]

NORTH LITTLE ROCK, Ark. -- Tulsa Drillers coach Mike Coolbaugh died after being struck in the head by a line drive as he stood in the first-base coach's box during a game.

The Texas League game was suspended in the ninth inning Sunday after the 35-year-old former major leaguer was hit by a foul ball off the bat of Tino Sanchez of the Drillers. Coolbaugh was taken to Baptist Medical Center-North Little Rock, where he was pronounced dead.

"It's a tragedy for all of baseball," Drillers president Chuck Lamson told the Tulsa World in a story posted on the newspaper's Web site early Monday. "He just joined the staff and was a former Driller player. Our thoughts and prayers go out to his family."

http://sports.espn.go.com/minorlbb/news/story?id=2945798

[fotografica]

Could they have picked a better team for Lester to start against. Cleveland is not going to be a good confidence booster.

Lemme see...Lester or Tavarez???;)

[MacNut]

Ok so they bring out a special ball for A-Rod to hit as he nears 500 home runs, The ball has a hologram to signify its authenticity. But how do they know if the ball might have been hit foul and then a fan try to claim it a home run.

[WildCowboy]

At least with Bonds, the balls are also numbered. I assume the ump knows which one is in play at any given time, and so MLB can verify the correct ball.

[MacNut]

Ok that would make sense, they did show a number on the ball.

edit:A-Rod 100 RBI's

[zioxide]

Jon Lester is the ****ing man.

[MacNut]

So Bud Selig swallowed his morals and is going to be in San Francisco to watch Barry Roids ruin another record.:rolleyes:Out of respect for the tradition of this game, the magnitude of the record, and the fact that all citizens in this country are innocent until proven guilty, I will attend Barry Bonds' next games to observe his potential tying and breaking of the home run record, subject to my commitments to the Hall of Fame this weekend. I will make an additional statement when the record is tied," Selig said.Even if he is in attendance in the future, Selig will not participate in any on-field celebration when Bonds, who has faced unrelenting steroid allegations for years, breaks the record, USA Today reported Monday.
espn (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2947707)

[MacNut]

A-Rod number 499.:)

[Teh Don Ditty]

Who cares if Bonds breaks the record..... A-Rod will be just be breaking it later.

[devilot]

Mod Note: quite a few off-topic posts discussing steroid use have been merged with an existing (older) thread here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=185278). Thanks.

[MacNut]

Mod Note: quite a few off-topic posts discussing steroid use have been merged with an existing (older) thread here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=185278). Thanks.Thank you Ma'am.

[Teh Don Ditty]

I'd like to add the when Bonds does break the record can we keep it civil in here? If you wanna bash him and talk about his alleged steroid use take it the link thread that devilot mentioned.

Back to baseball....

6 games back now in the East. 6 games against Boston left. Can we get a Boston Massacre, Part Tres?

[Sobe]

Considering that this is the Official Thread for the 2007 season and last I checked, Barry Bonds is still playing, and last I heard he's approaching perhaps the greatest record in the history of sports and it's still 2007, could we have some rules on what constitutes an "appropriate" comment that won't get moved?

You know, just so we all have a level playing field.

[fotografica]

Back to baseball....

6 games back now in the East. 6 games against Boston left. Can we get a Boston Massacre, Part Tres?

Now now,don't get ahead of yourself just yet now :p

The Yankees have 17 games in August against the top 4 teams in the AL - 3 against the Sox, 3 against Cleveland, 3 against Anaheim and 8 (and thats a pretty big 8) against Detroit. We'll see what happens after that.

We also have 28 games left to play against Baltimore and Tampa Bay.

[MacNut]

The Yankees are also only 4.5 in the wild card.:)

[Teh Don Ditty]

Considering that this is the Official Thread for the 2007 season and last I checked, Barry Bonds is still playing, and last I heard he's approaching perhaps the greatest record in the history of sports and it's still 2007, could we have some rules on what constitutes an "appropriate" comment that won't get moved?

You know, just so we all have a level playing field.

It's clear that you missed what was going on. The subject started to turn into steroids discussion, and it so happens that Barry Bonds name is linked to said discussions. It's simple, if you want to talk about steroids in baseball take it to the above mentioned linked thread.

When the time comes when he hits 756 you can: a) Congratulate him b) Say nothing c) Make a post in the steroid thread (I say there because most likely somebody would say the steroid taker has broken the record thus inciting everybody in here)

Now, have I been perfect with my few posts about Barry? No, but if I want to talk about him and his alleged steroid use I know where to take it now.

Now now,don't get ahead of yourself just yet now :p

The Yankees have 17 games in August against the top 4 teams in the AL - 3 against the Sox, 3 against Cleveland, 3 against Anaheim and 8 (and thats a pretty big 8) against Detroit. We'll see what happens after that.

We also have 28 games left to play against Baltimore and Tampa Bay.

Nah, I'm not that stupid. :p

For some reason we've been having some luck with the Angels, they usually straight out own us. If the Yanks keep playing like they do, they should be able to handle those teams (and no, I don't mean destroy them)

BTW, love the sig.

[Sobe]

It's clear that you missed what was going on. The subject started to turn into steroids discussion, and it so happens that Barry Bonds name is linked to said discussions. It's simple, if you want to talk about steroids in baseball take it to the above mentioned linked thread.

When the time comes when he hits 756 you can: a) Congratulate him b) Say nothing c) Make a post in the steroid thread (I say there because most likely somebody would say the steroid taker has broken the record thus inciting everybody in here)

Now, have I been perfect with my few posts about Barry? No, but if I want to talk about him and his alleged steroid use I know where to take it now.



Nah, I'm not that stupid. :p

For some reason we've been having some luck with the Angels, they usually straight out own us. If the Yanks keep playing like they do, they should be able to handle those teams (and no, I don't mean destroy them)

BTW, love the sig.

Not at all. I was trying point out that Bonds was a hall of famer before any mention of anything else. You know with numbers, the language of baseball to paraphrase Bill James.

But hey if you want the thread to consist of "wooo my team is 4.5 games back" "nuh uh we're gonna win!"

Then by all means have at it and enjoy the wonderful thrust and parry that such communication entails.

[Teh Don Ditty]

Not at all. I was trying point out that Bonds was a hall of famer before any mention of anything else. You know with numbers, the language of baseball to paraphrase Bill James.

But hey if you want the thread to consist of "wooo my team is 4.5 games back" "nuh uh we're gonna win!"

Then by all means have at it and enjoy the wonderful thrust and parry that such communication entails.

Listen if you want to talk about Bonds (without it being tied to his alleged steroid use) then that's fine and dandy.

I'll be quite honest, I skimmed a lot of those moved posts. They were probably intertwined with the other posts. The rule in here is simple, no steroid talk and no personal attacks.

[steamboat26]

Freakin Kei Igawa! I hate him! why don't we just get somebody, anybody else to pitch? :mad:

[MacNut]

Phil Hughes will be back shortly.

[Sobe]

it's the Royals, show a little faith =D

[steamboat26]

Down 7 runs and they are knocking for more. We have overcome bigger deficits from worse teams, but only Cabrera and Molina have really done their part. I'm really hoping that Jeter comes out his slump soon...
Edit: wow, shut out by the royals...pitiful

[Sobe]

ouch jorge de la rosa and the royals shutting em down 7-0.

[MacNut]

What do you want when Igawa pitches.:rolleyes:

[steamboat26]

What do you want when Igawa pitches.:rolleyes:

I don't want him to pitch :D

And don't we have anybody back yet (Rasner, Karstens, somebody)? I know De Salvo got sent back to the minors, but even he probably could have done better, and he just pitched a few days ago.

[Sobe]

I don't know what Igawa's problem is. He looked like he had sorted himself down in Scranton. Supposedly he was using his changeup (which was his out pitch) more and with better results.

The results don't look too good right now though.

Ideally Mussina, Pettitte, and Clemens would anchor it down, but Mussina is nearly 40, Clemens is going to be 45 in a couple of weeks, and Pettitte is 35.

I'm sorry but that is just not going to get the job done week in and week out.

If Pettitte, Hughes and Wang can start putting together some decent quality starts like they are capable of and Mussina and Clemens are just respectable, they might be able to make a run at it considering the offense.

That offense is still too inconsistent though.

[MacNut]

So this suspended game rule is so odd. Watching the end of a game from June that they are finishing now.

If A-Rod hits a home run in the suspended game it would count as number 493 not 500, The run he hit Wednesday would be counted as number 500.

[zioxide]

So this suspended game rule is so odd. Watching the end of a game from June that they are finishing now.

If A-Rod hits a home run in the suspended game it would count as number 493 not 500, The run he hit Wednesday would be counted as number 500.

lol i hope he doesn't hit it then until the next regular game. otherwise it would kind of suck for him

[MacNut]

lol i hope he doesn't hit it then until the next regular game. otherwise it would kind of suck for himHe didn't hit any.

Ok the Yankees just won the game from June, 8-7. 1 more to play.

Im off to the beach.

[Sobe]

have fun!

[WildCowboy]

Well, there goes number 754...

[Sobe]

game's on ESPN in case anyone didn't know.

[steamboat26]

Lost to the orioles.
Pettitte got roughed up one inning, but managed to pitch out of several jams. Just couldn't get much going, and we stranded too many runners.
I'm concerned about Jeter, he's having quite the slump. He's usually Mr. Consistency :(

[MacNut]

So what are these eye drops that the Red Sox pitchers are using that gives them a kick.

Paperboy blows his second save of the year.:D

[Sobe]

It's hard being an Orioles fan, but on nights like this it's all worth it. =D

[MacNut]

It's hard being an Orioles fan, but on nights like this it's all worth it. =DYou enjoy watching your pen give up 4 runs in the 9th?

[Sobe]

You enjoy watching your pen give up 4 runs in the 9th?

I enjoyed the W.

[MacNut]

I enjoyed the W.It was barely a W.

[fotografica]

Paperboy blows his second save of the year.:D

Didn't matter :p Nice comeback in the twelfth..

Orioles come to town on Tuesday. They always seem to give us trouble. Looking forward to seeing Bedard pitch..He's been on fire his last ten games...

[zioxide]

It was barely a W.

doesn't matter how much you win by, a win is a win.


Hasn't Mariano blown more saves than Paps?

[Sobe]

Turn on ESPN Classic if you want to see what it means to be a real baseball player.

Cal Ripken and Tony Gwynn...doesn't get any better than that.

[furcalchick]

padres are garbage. had a 12 run lead in the second, and it's now 15-11 padres. just terrible.

and i dropped jennings from my fantasy team, horrible outing, 11 er in 2/3 of an inning.

[Clydefrog]

hey, at least they are not as bad as the bucos. the whole organization right now is embarrassing:(

[Teh Don Ditty]

hey, at least they are not as bad as the bucos. the whole organization right now is embarrassing:(

I don't think embarrassing is even the correct word.

Yanks up 10-4 in bot 8th.

Red Sawx lose :D

Yea, that SD/Houston game is umm sad if you will.

[WildCowboy]

Yeah, I was hoping for a good start from Stauffer today. It was nice to get the 11-run first (with him contributing a two-run single and a run), but he's still being bitten by the homer bug.

[steamboat26]

Hasn't Mariano blown more saves than Paps?

He blew his first 2 (IIRC) and that has been it. He seems to do the same thing lately, he will blow the first few saves of the season, and then pull things together.

Yankees beat the O's 10-6, decent pitching by Wang, not his best. We won despite a sub par relief effort from Vizcaino, and as usual, a pitiful effort from Farnsworth :mad:
Cleveland and Boston lost, we pick up a game in the AL east and the wildcard

[MacNut]

Trade deadline
We are a day away from the trade deadline and there is some news.

The Atlanta Braves appear to be the winner for the right to acquire first baseman Mark Teixeira from the Texas Rangers.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2954457

Lofton returned for his third stint with Cleveland -- and another playoff run -- on Friday as the Texas Rangers traded the 40-year-old outfielder to the Indians for minor-league catcher Max Ramirez.

[steamboat26]

I haven't heard much about the Yankees acquiring anybody, knowing Steinbrenner, we should be looking at everyone :D
And are we gonna deal Igawa or not? ESPN was saying that he is the next Jose Contreras for the Yankees, and he will do well somewhere else. Hopefully we can trade for a power hitter at 1st, or a reliever to replace Farnsworth.

[Sobe]

Not a bad series by the O's there against the Yanks. Now they're 6-3 vs. NYY with 9 remaining.

Even Torre commented on how upbeat the O's were.

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Sox are still interested in Dye. Depends on who the White Sox are looking for in return besides Willie Blow.

Cubs are a half game out..Let the torment of Cub's fans begin!! :D j/k

Who,if anybody,will the Diamondbacks trade for??

[Counterfit]

and i dropped jennings from my fantasy team, horrible outing, 11 er in 2/3 of an inning.

That's gotta be some sort of record. :eek:
Sox are still interested in Dye. Depends on who the White Sox are looking for in return besides Willie Blow.

Yeah, I don't think Willy Mo straight for Jermaine Dye would be a fair trade. Even if Wily can hit the cover off the ball once in a while.

[Sobe]

padres are garbage. had a 12 run lead in the second, and it's now 15-11 padres. just terrible.

and i dropped jennings from my fantasy team, horrible outing, 11 er in 2/3 of an inning.

No offense, but what was jennings doing on it to begin with?

[steamboat26]

Yeah, I don't think Willy Mo straight for Jermaine Dye would be a fair trade. Even if Wily can hit the cover off the ball once in a while.

I think that Dye still has some life left in him, he just needs to change teams, like Igawa.
Dye did pretty well last season, he's either having an off season, or he's due for one big hot streak :eek:

[Sobe]

I think that Dye still has some life left in him, he just needs to change teams, like Igawa.
Dye did pretty well last season, he's either having an off season, or he's due for one big hot streak :eek:

Dye's not useless but really last year was a career year. And don't forget, while US Cellular Field is fairly run-neutral overall, it is definitely a great home run park.

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Dye's not useless but really last year was a career year. And don't forget, while US Cellular Field is fairly run-neutral overall, it is definitely a great home run park.

If we get him,he's a rental for two months. He's been hot since the All Star break.

[MacNut]

So the Yankees drop Proctor, The Dodgers and Yankees have agreed in principle on a trade that would send reliever Scott Proctor to the Dodgers for infielder Wilson Betemit, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney.

The Dodgers, who have a 5.61 bullpen ERA since the All-Star break, have been in on a number of trade discussions involving relievers but zeroed in on Proctor over the last 24 hours.

The Yankees view Betemit as another first-base/DH/bench option for this year, and a potential third-base replacement for Alex Rodriguez next year.

Betemit hit .231 with 10 homers and 26 RBIs with Los Angeles, which acquired him from the Atlanta Braves in a deadline deal last season. He played mostly third base with the Dodgers but is unlikely to see much time there with Alex Rodriguez in the midst of an MVP-type season for New York.

Yankees manager Joe Torre has complained about the significant dropoff offensively from his starters to reserves, and Betemit could be the answer. The 25-year-old switch-hitter also can play shortstop and second base and is batting .320 (8-for-25) as a pinch hitter this season. He had pinch-hit homers in consecutive games at Atlanta in May.

I wish we could dump Farnsworth.:(

The pitching-starved St. Louis Cardinals on Tuesday acquired right-hander Joel Pineiro, optioned to the minors last week by the Boston Red Sox, and cash for a minor league player to be named.

Pineiro, 28, was a 16-game winner in 2003. He was used exclusively in relief this year by the Red Sox before being sent to Triple-A Pawtucket on July 25.

Pineiro played seven seasons with the Seattle Mariners before signing a free agent deal with the Red Sox in January. He was 1-1 with a 5.03 ERA in 31 relief appearances for the Red Sox, but had a 3.60 ERA in 16 road appearances covering 15 innings.

[Counterfit]

I think that Dye still has some life left in him, he just needs to change teams, like Igawa.
Dye did pretty well last season, he's either having an off season, or he's due for one big hot streak :eek:

I meant that Dye is better than Peña. I.E. not a liability in the field.

[steamboat26]

So the Yankees drop Proctor,I wish we could dump Farnsworth.:(

This is just insane. Why would we drop Proctor, he's our only somewhat reliable setup man. And what's this about poor reserve offensive production- Phillips has been playing first as a backup, and he's batting .300 (although i haven't heard anything about Mientkiewicz for a while)
I think we can dump farnsworth, but Cashman is too stupid to do so. Unlike most of our other relievers, he's not getting any better. Bruney is getting his confidence, Vizcaino has done a lot better, and Proctor was doing decently.
Also, Betemit doesn't seem to be doing that well, we should've traded farnsworth for him

[MacNut]

Gagne to the Red Sox?

[steamboat26]

Gagne to the Red Sox?

Great, just what they need, another setup man/closer :rolleyes:
Aren't the sox happy enough with Okajima and Papelbon, or are they expecting one of them to bomb the rest of the season :D

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I could see the Dye deal going through though. I just hope they don't trade Delcarmen and trade Masterson instead. But if we get rid of Pena, that would be awesome.


what the ****. MLB.com is saying there are reports the Sox have traded Gabbard for Gagne. We don't need another ****ing closer. I like Gabbard as a replacement for Schilling because he won't be here after the end of this season.

[MacNut]

The Rangers are close to completing a trade that would send closer Eric Gagne to the Boston Red Sox, according to Major League sources.
Gagne has the right to veto a trade to Boston and sources say that's what appears to be holding up the deal. The Rangers are said to be getting left-hander Kason Gabbard, 25, who is 4-0 with a 3.73 ERA in seven starts for the Red Sox this year, and two other players.

[Sobe]

I could see the Dye deal going through though. I just hope they don't trade Delcarmen and trade Masterson instead. But if we get rid of Pena, that would be awesome.


what the ****. MLB.com is saying there are reports the Sox have traded Gabbard for Gagne. We don't need another ****ing closer. I like Gabbard as a replacement for Schilling because he won't be here after the end of this season.

Maybe as a Red Sox fan, you don't quite appreciate how dominant Gagne can be.

Yes he has an injury history, but this year his numbers are as good as any:

33.1 IP, 2 wins, 16 saves, 29K, 2.16 ERA, 1.05 ERA.

If you've never been in Dodger stadium back when Gagne was there and THE best closer in baseball...you don't know how he can suck the life out of the opposite team.

Welcome to the Jungle would come on, GAME OVER flashes everywhere, and that was that.

You're not just getting a closer, you're getting a guy who will, along with Papelbon and Okajima turn 9 inning games into 6 inning games.

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I'm happy with the Gagne deal. I don't have the faith in Timlin down the stretch. Once Donnely gets back,I like it even more.

Sox still have lots of the prospects in the farm system..I can take parting with Gabbard..

Hanson's name is also being mentioned in the potential Dye deal along with Pena..

[MacNut]

I'm happy with the Gagne deal. I don't have the faith in Timlin down the stretch. Once Donnely gets back,I like it even more.

Sox still have lots of the prospects in the farm system..I can take parting with Gabbard..

Hanson's name is also being mentioned in the potential Dye deal along with Pena..When is he going to pitch, Is paperboy hurt?

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Maybe as a Red Sox fan, you don't quite appreciate how dominant Gagne can be.

Yes he has an injury history, but this year his numbers are as good as any:

33.1 IP, 2 wins, 16 saves, 29K, 2.16 ERA, 1.05 ERA.

If you've never been in Dodger stadium back when Gagne was there and THE best closer in baseball...you don't know how he can suck the life out of the opposite team.

Welcome to the Jungle would come on, GAME OVER flashes everywhere, and that was that.

You're not just getting a closer, you're getting a guy who will, along with Papelbon and Okajima turn 9 inning games into 6 inning games.

Yes I know, but we still need a 5th man to pitch the first 6 innings of a game. Although Gabbard is still fairly unproven, I think he has potential. Schilling is going to be back soon, but I don't think he'll be here after next year. I guess we'll see what happens.

Also, anyone see anything about what the Sox got in return for Piniero?

[MacNut]

Minor leaguers to be named later for Piniero.

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When is he going to pitch, Is paperboy hurt?

Nights when Papelbon and/or Okie are off. Papelbon,Okie and Gagne? I'll take that going into the seventh...

Piniero was traded for the perverbial player to be named later.

[MacNut]

Gagne is not going to want to be a part time closer.

[barr08]

Gagne is not going to want to be a part time closer.

Maybe they'll finally move Papelbon to the starting rotation

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Gagne is not going to want to be a part time closer.

Well he knows that and he'll waive the deal if he doesn't want too. We'll see what happens in the next hour.

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Maybe they'll finally move Papelbon to the starting rotationI don't see that happening.

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I don't see that happening.

I think he has wanted to be a starter since the beginning, I could be mistaken, though.

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I think he has wanted to be a starter since the beginning, I could be mistaken, though.That may be true but they wont make him a starter this late in the season.

[barr08]

That may be true but they wont make him a starter this late in the season.

Oh...well yeah. I mean like next year.

[Sobe]

nah papelbon likes closing, he said as much back in April.

The problem all along with papelbon closing is the argument that if you have a great talent, why only use him for 3 outs every couple of days when you could use him for 6+ innings every 5.

Gagne can't reject a deal to Boston even if he's unhappy with his role there, but I would bet that getting a shot at a ring will placate him for the rest of the year.

hmm apparently Gagne would have to waive his no trade to go to Boston; I thought Boston was on the list of his limited no trade.

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Gagne is not going to want to be a part time closer.

A chance at a World Series may change his mind ;)

Being great as a closer doesn't translate over to being great as a starter,in regard to Papelbon..Two different mind sets..

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I think he has wanted to be a starter since the beginning, I could be mistaken, though.

No.

During Spring Training after the Sox were trying Piniero and a few other guys as closer, Paps went to Francona and asked to be the closer again.

He's going to stay the closer for a long time. We don't need him in the rotation. Even if Gabbard goes, we still have Beckett, Matsuzaka, Lester, Wakefield, and Schilling plus other prospects down on the farm.

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If its a ring he wants then why is he going to Boston.:D

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Being great as a closer doesn't translate over to being great as a starter,in regard to Papelbon..Two different mind sets..

Papelbon has stated he wants to start, and Francona and Epstien have confirmed that he should be a starter soon. They wanted to do it this year, but they didn't for some reason, I forget why.

Edit: whatever, not worth arguing about.

[Sobe]

A chance at a World Series may change his mind ;)

Being great as a closer doesn't translate over to being great as a starter,in regard to Papelbon..Two different mind sets..

I don't think there is any question that Papelbon would be a top-tier starting pitcher. It's never been a question of talent, but rather what the Red Sox needed the most.

Keep in mind that Papelbon closing was out of necessity, not design. He had always been slated as a SP and people were drooling over him as such.

Now imagine if they can get and hold onto Gagne...then move papelbon into the rotation next year.

That makes this trade much more interesting, assuming it goes down.

[MacNut]

How many more good years does Gagne have left.

[steamboat26]

Enough about the sox :D
With many records about to be broken,
What are the odds that Bonds hits 755, A-rod hits 500, and Glavine gets win 300 tonight?
And if that doesn't happen, who will reach the milestone first?

My guess is no to the first question, and A-rod will get to 500 first :D

[Sobe]

How many more good years does Gagne have left.

Dude's a hockey player. He'll be good til he stops caring.

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I don't think there is any question that Papelbon would be a top-tier starting pitcher. It's never been a question of talent, but rather what the Red Sox needed the most.

Keep in mind that Papelbon closing was out of necessity, not design. He had always been slated as a SP and people were drooling over him as such.

Now imagine if they can get and hold onto Gagne...then move papelbon into the rotation next year.

That makes this trade much more interesting, assuming it goes down.

Be interesting to see how it plays out. Another reason they didn't want to give Schilling that extension....They still need Gagne to waive his no trade clause to make it official..

[Sobe]

Gabbard murphy beltre to Texas
Gagne to boston

Boston picks up some performance bonuses as needed.

Deal is official now as per Buster Olney of ESPN.

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Gabbard murphy beltre to Texas
Gagne to boston

Boston picks up some performance bonuses as needed.

Deal is official now as per Buster Olney of ESPN.

NESN and WRKO are saying its official now too.

Talks with Dye are dead.


So Gabbard was scheduled to start tomorrow. I think the Sox will just move everyone up one day because of the day off yesterday, and have Tavarez fill in until Schilling gets back.

[Sobe]

Did you see all those deals my Orioles made which will help them return to their past winning ways?

They really did a fine job!

/sarcasm off

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NESN and WRKO are saying its official now too.

Talks with Dye are dead.


So Gabbard was scheduled to start tomorrow. I think the Sox will just move everyone up one day because of the day off yesterday, and have Tavarez fill in until Schilling gets back.

Schilling scheduled to start Sunday in Seattle..We still have to face Bedard tonite.Should be a great game..

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Did you see all those deals my Orioles made which will help them return to their past winning ways?

They really did a fine job!

/sarcasm off

Hats off to you for being and Oriole's fan.. j/k :D

[MacNut]

Ah the sound of Red Sox fans false hopes, will be fun to watch it all fall apart.:D

[steamboat26]

Beckett v. Bedard should be a good matchup- let's hope Beckett has an off night :D

[MacNut]

Beckett v. Bedard should be a good matchup- let's hope Beckett has an off night :DHe has had enough of them.:p

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Ah the sound of Red Sox fans false hopes, will be fun to watch it all fall apart.:D

Still waiting for the Sox collapse Yankee's fans have been predicting since April :p

[Sobe]

even if I weren't an O's fan, I'll take Bedard and the birds over the Sawx tonight.

Bedard is hands down the best SP in MLB right now.

[MacNut]

Still waiting for the Sox collapse Yankee's fans have been predicting since April :pThe Yankees are letting you guys win the AL East, then BLAMO, playoff massacre.:cool:

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even if I weren't an O's fan, I'll take Bedard and the birds over the Sawx tonight.

Bedard is hands down the best SP in MLB right now.

Yeah he's doing well, but Beckett is no slouch, either. I'll take my Sox in this one.

[Sobe]

The Yankees are letting you guys win the AL East, then BLAMO, playoff massacre.:cool:

Which team is going to massacre them -- The Angels, Indians or Tigers?

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even if I weren't an O's fan, I'll take Bedard and the birds over the Sawx tonight.

Bedard is hands down the best SP in MLB right now.

Yeah,he's been on fire his last ten.His ERA keeps dropping...You can count on at least three groundouts from Drew :D

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Yeah,he's been on fire his last ten.His ERA keeps dropping...You can count on at least three groundouts from Drew :D

That's too true to be funny.

[MacNut]

annnnnnd, Deadline.....Which team is going to massacre them -- The Angels, Indians or Tigers?Well the Yankees will over take Seattle and Cleveland.

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Yeah,he's been on fire his last ten.His ERA keeps dropping...You can count on at least three groundouts from Drew :D

Nope.

He's not playing tonight. Count on 3 strikeouts from WMP though.