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MacRumors
May 30, 2003, 09:12 PM
Linked from AppleTurns.com (http://www.appleturns.com/), it appears IBM has posted, what can only be described as pseudo-erotic photos, of the PowerPC 970. The photos (1 (http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/photolibrary/photo10.nsf/WebViewNumber/39611DB39E16B4CA87256C530055DB49), 2 (http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/photolibrary/photo10.nsf/WebViewNumber/C66F85755561BCB787256C5300561EF1), 3 (http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/photolibrary/photo10.nsf/WebViewNumber/78F931E26C393F0587256C530055BF25)) depict the IBM 970 in various compromising positions posing with feathers.



arn
May 30, 2003, 09:14 PM
for some reason, this just struck me as very funny...

I just can see the Mac Geeks yelling "Take it off! Wohooo!"

:)

BrittasMac
May 30, 2003, 09:19 PM
I think it's official that IBM employees have a strange sense of humor.

wsteineker
May 30, 2003, 09:32 PM
I just want to know when we get the pictures of the 970 in leather with a slave. ;)

Mr. Anderson
May 30, 2003, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by BrittasMac
I think it's official that IBM employees have a strange sense of humor.

Ah, I don't think I'd call it humor - more like a feather fetish. This is just weird.

Most likely done intentionally for S&Gs, but I still don't get it. Doesn't fit, marketing wise....:confused:

D

vniow
May 30, 2003, 09:52 PM
Well..if this doesn't confirm that the 970s will make their way into Macs in the future I don't know what does..

Macs = sexy computers
970 = sexy chip

Seems obvious...

Sol
May 30, 2003, 09:55 PM
Could they make the images any larger in file size? It is not like we are looking at new pictures from Mars! If anyone has downloaded these pictures can you please post them here in a decent file size? That is, if MacRumours does not have anything in its rules about suggestive pictures with feathers...

arn
May 30, 2003, 09:57 PM
best in context...

Sun Baked
May 30, 2003, 10:09 PM
Such a big package for the "little chip" everyone has been talking about.

Flynnstone
May 30, 2003, 10:12 PM
How do we know its a 970?

They just show the underside :D

But ... the pictures show what looks like a interstitial pin grid array. This can be socketed.
In another picture (search IBM pictures for 970) they have a top picture of a CBGA or ceramic ball grid array. CBGAs are for directly mounting to a board.

The CBGA version would likely go into something like a module or laptop motherboard.
The Interstitial PGA would likely go into a motherboard like a PowerMac. A Intel P4 in a typical motherboard is a IPGA.

And to start a rumor, this a rumor site :p , perhaps they don't show the top side with the text because it has the letters 'A' 'P' 'P' 'L' 'E' on it. :D

macdong
May 30, 2003, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by vniow
Well..if this doesn't confirm that the 970s will make their way into Macs in the future I don't know what does..

Macs = sexy computers
970 = sexy chip

Seems obvious...

I still think they should've put a california red apple in the picture... :D

arn
May 30, 2003, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by Flynnstone
And to start a rumor, this a rumor site :p , perhaps they don't show the top side with the text because it has the letters 'A' 'P' 'P' 'L' 'E' on it. :D

http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/photolibrary/photo10.nsf/WebViewNumber/4935E5FF8088A81087256C5300559C0A?OpenDocument

top of it

arn

Flynnstone
May 30, 2003, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by arn
http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/photolibrary/photo10.nsf/WebViewNumber/4935E5FF8088A81087256C5300559C0A?OpenDocument

top of it

arn

Arn,
That is the Ball grid array. The other pictures have pins.

Sol
May 30, 2003, 10:26 PM
I think this is self-explanatory... ;)

melchior
May 30, 2003, 10:32 PM
looking at the high resolution up close the pin positions certainly look interesting. :p

Chisholm
May 30, 2003, 10:47 PM
That's just sick y'all. The 970 should be shone adorned in a mink stole.

Those feathers look like crap left over on Bourbon Street on any given night.

cheers!
-John

mangoman
May 30, 2003, 11:15 PM
In a word: bizarre.

Goekeli
May 30, 2003, 11:33 PM
Mmmmmmmmm, mmmmmm, Mmmmmmm!

:D

Rower_CPU
May 30, 2003, 11:53 PM
It's like a chip in drag...odd indeed.

rainman::|:|
May 30, 2003, 11:57 PM
either someone's going to get fired soon, or IBM suddenly has a sense of humor.

http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/photolibrary/photo10.nsf/WebViewNumber/BB95C872944934F5852569ED004CF2DF

normally you see mpeg encoders in a light mustard sauce, but i guess they felt a little daring...

[edit] on one of the pages, there's a glaring spelling error, "porcessor"... if i didn't see this with my own eyes, i wouldn't believe it... IBM is weird :confused:

pnw

wsteineker
May 31, 2003, 12:05 AM
Ok, so the jokes have been great, but I feel the need to point out the greater issue here. Am I the only one who is a little disturbed by this? I mean if a friend was to just start behaving like this after years of VERY uptight behavior I'd probably attribute it to a nervous breakdown or some other serious emotional/psychological problem. It's kind of bugging me, really. Like I'm afraid that IBM is going to come to my house and slash my tires and then overdose on barbituates and end up in ICU or something.

Protean Son
May 31, 2003, 12:16 AM
Everybody outside of the mac world, and that includes IBM as they make PCs, thinks that Macs are the "colorful" computers. Peacock feathers are colorful too. I think its supposed to be a visual cue for us, because no other explanation of the pictures makes sense to me. It would not make sense to me to brag about being feather-like. I also think the sexy-peacock feather hooker thing is ... a really strange conclusion to draw.

Yeah, I think we're supposed to see those colors and think first rev iMacs...hey didn't apple make those.... oh ... clever.

vniow
May 31, 2003, 12:56 AM
Originally posted by wsteineker
I just want to know when we get the pictures of the 970 in leather with a slave. ;)

Sol
May 31, 2003, 01:11 AM
Can you make it with dual G4s in the bed? That would be more realistic I think. ;)

From Win to Mac
May 31, 2003, 03:14 AM
ROTFLMAO !!!!

maradong
May 31, 2003, 04:27 AM
Originally posted by Sol
Can you make it with dual G4s in the bed? That would be more realistic I think. ;)
lol ?
come on people. if ibm has got it , and it is rumored to be already in production, and well, it seems apple will use it as their next prozessor ( don t know anymore where i read that ) when will we get it. that is the question. it s a matter of time, not of : if.

dethl
May 31, 2003, 04:33 AM
The response from this thread is as funny as these pics themselves!

Jeez...what a little photoshopping can do to brighten your day :D

Nightstalker
May 31, 2003, 09:27 AM
just for the record...:

did you notice, that not only the pins are different to what we've seen before of the 970, also the shape is different:

rectangular shape on the "feather" 970s but a square shape on the "official" 970 product photo...

Nightstalker



PS: the "official photo i'm talking about is this one:

http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/photolibrary/photo10.nsf/WebViewNumber/4935E5FF8088A81087256C5300559C0A?OpenDocument

mathiasr
May 31, 2003, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by Nightstalker
did you notice, that not only the pins are different to what we've seen before of the 970, also the shape is different:

rectangular shape on the "feather" 970s but a square shape on the "official" 970 product photo...
It's probably not the same thing, the core is rectangular and a bit larger than a thumb nail, whereas the whole module is square and mesures around an inch.

To get an idea here is a gekko (Game Cube) die:
http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/photolibrary/pervasive/723t.jpg
The 970 die is 3 to 4 times bigger:
http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/photolibrary/pervasive/88t.jpg
Shown in the eye of a needle:
http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/photolibrary/pervasive/94t.jpg

MacWhispers
May 31, 2003, 11:25 AM
Did anyone else notice that the 970 is laying flat on its back, its tiny little legs just splayed invitingly upward toward the ceiling in all three photos?

This strikes me as such a, well... hot position for a chip reputed to have such a cool, serious personality.

Is there a message here we're all missing?...

nickgold
May 31, 2003, 11:44 AM
970 glamour shots -- now I HAVE seen everything!

And it makes me kinda hot, too! Whoohoo bring it on!

LOL!

mathiasr
May 31, 2003, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by MacWhispers
Did anyone else notice that the 970 is laying flat on its back, its tiny little legs just splayed invitingly upward toward the ceiling in all three photos?
I would call those "balls" not legs :D

pyrotoaster
May 31, 2003, 11:54 AM
So very, very wrong...
edit: But it feels so right...

deepkid
May 31, 2003, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by Macrumors
Linked from AppleTurns.com (http://www.appleturns.com/), it appears IBM has posted, what can only be described as pseudo-erotic photos, of the PowerPC 970. .. depict the IBM 970 in various compromising positions posing with feathers.

Haha! It's refreshing to see a corporation personify technology. I bet that many people will warm up to the chip after such satire.

Oh, that photo of Jobs at the center of the chip is hilarious. :D

deepkid
May 31, 2003, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by vniow


BUAHAHAHAHAHA!

Vlade
May 31, 2003, 03:10 PM
I feel slightly disturbed now... but I think that it should be a P4 and a G4 being whipped by the 970 :)

trebblekicked
May 31, 2003, 05:15 PM
with a chip this sexy, i can only assume the new tower cases will be transparent.

Mudbug
May 31, 2003, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by trebblekicked
with a chip this sexy, i can only assume the new tower cases will be transparent.

Ok - you people are officially weird.

I'm not saying I'm any different, just that you're weird.

(but this comment is pretty funny...)

joelc
May 31, 2003, 05:50 PM
Some people were disturbed by the photos. I'm disturbed by this discussion!

funkywhat2
May 31, 2003, 06:06 PM
Ohh! I think I'm having a hot flash!

littlerich
May 31, 2003, 06:09 PM
woo.. take a look at this.. i think we can take this as ibm confirmation that the 970. read the last paragraph of this pdf from ibm.. it explains it all...

http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/A2CE393ABF2CE99787256D21006AE8A2

dstorey
May 31, 2003, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by Sol
Can you make it with dual G4s in the bed? That would be more realistic I think. ;)

Mange trois with the 970 and two G4's? , thats a disturbing thought you had...I'm worried now ;)

imaswitcheryeah
May 31, 2003, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by littlerich
woo.. take a look at this.. i think we can take this as ibm confirmation that the 970. read the last paragraph of this pdf from ibm.. it explains it all...

http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/A2CE393ABF2CE99787256D21006AE8A2


awesome find!!!! i was sure that Apple would be using these without any real doubt, but with this, I have no doubt at all!!! HOLLA!!

Sol
May 31, 2003, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by dstorey
Mange trois with the 970 and two G4's? , thats a disturbing thought you had...I'm worried now ;)

Well you know, I post that one day and wake up the next day regretting that I did it.

By the way, I thought with all things French being replaced with alternative (and hopefully temporary) names the 'mnage trois' would be now called the 'Freedom Threesome' in America. Any takers on that?

vniow
May 31, 2003, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by dstorey
Mange trois with the 970 and two G4's? , thats a disturbing thought you had...I'm worried now ;)


The 970 is a little touchy though, it doesn't like being the one to sleep in the wet spot...

Rower_CPU
May 31, 2003, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by dstorey
Mange trois with the 970 and two G4's? , thats a disturbing thought you had...I'm worried now ;)

Even more disturbing is the translation of what you wrote: Eat at 3.

I never would have thought CPUs would resort to cannibalism! :eek:

[For the anal among us, the correct phrasing is "mnage trois". :p]

Yarddog
May 31, 2003, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by Protean Son
Everybody outside of the mac world, and that includes IBM as they make PCs, thinks that Macs are the "colorful" computers. Peacock feathers are colorful too. I think its supposed to be a visual cue for us, because no other explanation of the pictures makes sense to me. It would not make sense to me to brag about being feather-like. I also think the sexy-peacock feather hooker thing is ... a really strange conclusion to draw.

No, the feathers are an analogy to light-weight. This means the first 970's will show up in laptops. LOL. Get real.

Nightstalker
May 31, 2003, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by littlerich
woo.. take a look at this.. i think we can take this as ibm confirmation that the 970. read the last paragraph of this pdf from ibm.. it explains it all...

http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/A2CE393ABF2CE99787256D21006AE8A2


be careful!
look at page six/bottom:
this pdf has not been released by ibm!
(look ie at the editorial or the formulation "ibm has not yet announced pricing"...)

so it's no "official hint" by ibm

Nightstalker

Hemingray
May 31, 2003, 11:48 PM
So, guys, I'm officially getting an error 400 when trying to access the pics. Anyone have them downloaded and care to stick 'em up here?

[EDIT: Okay, the links are back up and working now.]

MacWhispers
Jun 1, 2003, 01:37 AM
Yep. All the photos, the .PDF file, all of it... gone.

Poof!

... like it never happened.

szark
Jun 1, 2003, 01:53 AM
They're all working for me...


As far as the shape differences, these pictures show the wafer-level packaged die. (The actual die which sits in the middle of the larger full-size chip package.)

scem0
Jun 1, 2003, 02:20 AM
how crazy. lol. Im so confused yet amused. That rhymes...... :D:D

I need to get more sleep. :o

RandomDeadHead
Jun 1, 2003, 03:51 AM
WYI

Here is a screenshot of page six of the pdf

DTphonehome
Jun 1, 2003, 10:04 AM
These pics shouldn't be derided as trash! They are very tastefully done! And I'm sure the accompanying article is fascinating, too.

arn
Jun 1, 2003, 08:48 PM
The PDF is not an official IBM document.

It's a reprint from the Microprocessor Report which was discussed already here (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/05/20030512173558.shtml).

arn

RandomDeadHead
Jun 2, 2003, 01:14 AM
Oh I see.


Don't you just love the taste of re-hashed rumors?:D

cubist
Jun 2, 2003, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by RandomDeadHead
Don't you just love the taste of re-hashed rumors?:D
Especially if you eat them at 3.

Mudbug
Jun 2, 2003, 04:53 PM
Ooooooh. IBM's website.


I read it for the articles. *chuckle*

voyagerd
Jun 2, 2003, 06:44 PM
OMG... This is one of the funniest forum topics ever. Even more funny than the "Why Florida" topic at a Star Trek site about Enterprise. I love the picture with the slave:p


SPADAVECCHIO!!!!!

PyroTurtle
Jun 3, 2003, 12:01 PM
wow, this just made my day better, thank you all

sedarby
Jun 3, 2003, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by maradong
lol ?
come on people. if ibm has got it , and it is rumored to be already in production, and well, it seems apple will use it as their next prozessor ( don t know anymore where i read that ) when will we get it. that is the question. it s a matter of time, not of : if.

It will be a matter of IF up until the time Apple announces their plans to use the 970.

sedarby
Jun 3, 2003, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by littlerich
woo.. take a look at this.. i think we can take this as ibm confirmation that the 970. read the last paragraph of this pdf from ibm.. it explains it all...

http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/A2CE393ABF2CE99787256D21006AE8A2

Unless the writer of this article works for IBM then anything said about Apple using the processor is pure speculation. The article suggests that Apple would be using the 970 since OS X deserves a more powerful processor. Until Apple says it, it is just a rumor.

chewbaccapits
Jun 3, 2003, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by vniow
The 970 is a little touchy though, it doesn't like being the one to sleep in the wet spot...

Nice, vniow...nice :)

sibtrag
Jun 11, 2003, 11:15 AM
I would take the feathers as an insider joke on one of the development code names for 970 (ultralight).

I compared the photos with the feathers to the 970 die photo available from the same gallery.

The aspect ratio of the chip pictured with the feathers appears to match the aspect ratio of the die photo of the 970. The die photo is likely of a chip pulled from the line before the upper metal layers were deposited. This gives a picture which highlights the floorplanning.

Chips fabricated all the way to the C4s (like the one pictured with the feather) are pretty boring and uniform looking because most of what you're seeing are the C4s (solder balls), power grid, and clock grid.

As an aside, it is not clear to me whether that "die photo" is an actual photo. It looks suspiciously regular. Real die photos have variations in color between different instances of the same circuit because of the different light paths and interference patterns.

The "IBM 64-bit PowerPC 970 microprocessor chip die. (#88)" looks too regular. Notice how the different sub-blocks of the caches are all exactly idential to each other. This reminds me of the fake die photo plots we use internally for presentations, posters, etc. They are much more satisfying than an actual die photo because they reveal more of the internal structure...it's easier to point to "what I designed".

C4 = Controlled Collapse Chip Connection, introduced in products in 1964.

Abstract
Jun 11, 2003, 01:12 PM
Ah geez, this is like porn for nerds.

jethroted
Jun 16, 2003, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by Abstract
Ah geez, this is like porn for nerds.

I think that is exactly what it is. Who's idea was this at IBM anyway? They actually had pro photographers come in and do this, but for what reason?

PatrThom
Jun 18, 2003, 02:51 PM
Actually, I'm wondering if the fact that the chip is among feathers might not somehow be a reference to the fact that compressed feathers are being suggested by some as a replacement for the silicon wafers currently used in semiconductor manufacturing.

Check out the details at the following URLs:

https://www.ccm.udel.edu/news/July02News/July02News-ACRES1.htm
http://www.acm.org/technews/articles/2002-4/0708m.html
http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20020802S0025
http://www.acm.org/technews/articles/2002-4/0708m.html

Most of these articles are dated July of last year, so it isn't all that brand new. Even the people over at IBM could've possibly heard about it by now. :)

--Patrick