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Feb 28, 2007, 08:58 AM
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According to both ThinkSecret (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0702macosx1049-2.html) and AppleInsider (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2531), new builds of 10.4.9 have been released to developers.

The build lists no known issues, similar to the last build (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/02/03/mac-os-x-10-4-9-8p125-8p2125-seeded/) earlier this month, and AppleInsider points out that the lone major change in this build has been a bug fix in ImageIO that had affected image import speeds. Previous builds of 10.4.9 already listed over 40 other bug fixes.

Both sites indicate that it looks as though this will be the last minor update to Mac OS 10.4 "Tiger" (other than security updates).



mrkramer
Feb 28, 2007, 09:01 AM
Updates are usually good. I was starting to wonder what had happened to the seeds but now they are back.

mattscott306
Feb 28, 2007, 09:01 AM
Can't we just go ahead and get 10.5?

longofest
Feb 28, 2007, 09:03 AM
Updates are usually good. I was starting to wonder what had happened to the seeds but now they are back.

looks like they are really taking their time with this one instead of just shoving it out the door... trying to make sure it's really good. Kind of indicative of it being the last update.

dllavaneras
Feb 28, 2007, 09:05 AM
So will the memory leaks in Safari be worked out in this release? I sure hope so! :D Can't wait for Leopard....

Music-Man
Feb 28, 2007, 09:12 AM
Does anyone have any info as to the amount of time between the last point updates and new release OS's? ie between 10.3.9(?) and 10.4

Also, I'm interested to see the size of this update. Are we going to be looking at another 100MB+ download?

bogg
Feb 28, 2007, 09:13 AM
Does anyone have any info as to the amount of time between the last point updates and new release OS's? ie between 10.3.9(?) and 10.4

Also, I'm interested to see the size of this update. Are we going to be looking at another 100MB+ download?

Delta updaters:
Intel ~ 170MB
PPC ~ 70MB

Combo updaters:
Intel ~ 315MB
PPC ~ 163MB

Music-Man
Feb 28, 2007, 09:16 AM
Delta updaters:
Intel ~ 170MB
PPC ~ 70MB

Healthy. Intel's are definitely gettin some lovin'.

LaDirection
Feb 28, 2007, 09:17 AM
Does anyone have any info as to the amount of time between the last point updates and new release OS's? ie between 10.3.9(?) and 10.4

Irrelevant, it's never the same.

abadr
Feb 28, 2007, 09:17 AM
I think they need it ;)

mduser63
Feb 28, 2007, 09:17 AM
Does anyone have any info as to the amount of time between the last point updates and new release OS's? ie between 10.3.9(?) and 10.4

10.3.9 was released on about April 16, 2005, while Tiger came out on April 29. Tiger's release date was announced and it was open for preorders as of about April 1, IIRC.

Music-Man
Feb 28, 2007, 09:26 AM
Irrelevant, it's never the same.

Doesn't mean I can't be interested.
Though it does seem to me that 10.5 is closer than we think. If indications are correct that this will be the last update, I couldn't imagine Leopard being four months off.
In saying that, the last couple of updates have been very worthwhile, and with the amount of time Apple have spend perfecting it, it is sure to please.

shikimo
Feb 28, 2007, 09:30 AM
10.3.9 was released on about April 16, 2005, while Tiger came out on April 29. Tiger's release date was announced and it was open for preorders as of about April 1, IIRC.

So, that means Leopard in 13 days, guaranteed, right?? WHOOOOO!!!

If only life were so simple...

Tehy
Feb 28, 2007, 09:39 AM
I hope iSync gets real update and a lot of new devices will be supported :)

daneoni
Feb 28, 2007, 09:47 AM
Of course 10.4.9 would be the last update, thats why they're taking their time. Unfortunately, there'll still be issues which haven't been addressed even after the update....a la Safari & iSync's miniscule list of compatible phones amongst others.

Data
Feb 28, 2007, 09:48 AM
.. could be te day that this update comes out then, can't wait ;-).

epochblue
Feb 28, 2007, 09:50 AM
So will the memory leaks in Safari be worked out in this release? I sure hope so! :D Can't wait for Leopard....

Leakage in Safari is really starting to make me crazy (RAM usage went from ~265MB to 650MB last night after I started Safari and let it sit for a little while)...I really hope they fix this soon.

longofest
Feb 28, 2007, 09:53 AM
Leakage in Safari is really starting to make me crazy (RAM usage went from ~265MB to 650MB last night after I started Safari and let it sit for a little while)...I really hope they fix this soon.

Are you sure the leaks are actually in Safari, or in Quicktime? Embeded quicktime movies regularly bring Safari to a crawl and often lead to hangs or crashes. I have noticed this behavior on both my brand new Intel MacBook (less than 2 weeks old) and G5 Quad.

Morris
Feb 28, 2007, 09:59 AM
Can't we just go ahead and get 10.5?

No. There's always a final update to the old OS around the time the new OS is released. That way Apple can fix the last remaining bigger issues with the old OS and secure compatibility between the old OS and the new OS.

Whether 10.4.9 or 10.4.10 will be the last update is only known to Apple but that a final 10.4 update will be around the 10.5 release is inevitable.

mattscott306
Feb 28, 2007, 10:09 AM
No. There's always a final update to the old OS around the time the new OS is released. That way Apple can fix the last remaining bigger issues with the old OS and secure compatibility between the old OS and the new OS.

Whether 10.4.9 or 10.4.10 will be the last update is only known to Apple but that a final 10.4 update will be around the 10.5 release is inevitable.

Gotcha, so if this is indeed the final update, we could look for 10.5 sometime in the upcoming weeks?

twoodcc
Feb 28, 2007, 10:12 AM
Updates are usually good. I was starting to wonder what had happened to the seeds but now they are back.

i agree. hopefully 10.4.9 will be out soon, and then 10.5!:apple:

Much Ado
Feb 28, 2007, 10:27 AM
So, that means Leopard in 13 days, guaranteed, right??

Well let's see... 13 days time is a....


...Tuesday!


AIEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Morris
Feb 28, 2007, 10:27 AM
Gotcha, so if this is indeed the final update, we could look for 10.5 sometime in the upcoming weeks?

Yes, but you're not going to know whether it was the final update until Apple releases 10.5. :D

psychofreak
Feb 28, 2007, 10:28 AM
Yes, but you're not going to know whether it was the final update until Apple releases 10.5. :D

Why? There was a 10.3 update after Tiger came out...

AlexH
Feb 28, 2007, 10:33 AM
We're getting close!

PubGuy
Feb 28, 2007, 10:38 AM
Folks:

Don't get all worked up on 10.5 yet. You can GUARANTEE that Steve Jobs will have a big media event around the formal shipping announcement, if for nothing else then to blow everyone away with all those "Top Secret" features and to put Vista in its place.

There is no way this will be a stealth event and, all of a sudden, 10.5 is magically available. No...keep your eye out for a major media event and invitation.

I think its safe to assume that you will not see 10.5 in March because nothing big has been scheduled or even leaked yet.

boxlight
Feb 28, 2007, 10:42 AM
Screw 10.4.9 -- I'm waiting for 10.4.a -- they're counting in hex, right?

Digitalclips
Feb 28, 2007, 10:46 AM
Can't we just go ahead and get 10.5?

I suspect Apple have to ensure Tiger and Leopard compatibility as there are many Macs out there that won't be upgraded to 10.5 ever and many of those may want to use new toys such as ATV and so forth so I bet a lot of these late breaking Tiger updates are geared in that direction. Just my guess anyway. :)

Digitalclips
Feb 28, 2007, 10:50 AM
Screw 10.4.9 -- I'm waiting for 10.4.a -- they're counting in hex, right?

I bet they do after 10.4.9 lol, there are bound to be updates for years after 10.5 is released but I guess they will be deemed as fixes to 10.4.9 not updates per se.

elppa
Feb 28, 2007, 10:51 AM
keep your eye out for a major media event and invitation.

Or just keep coming to MacRumors and we'll find out soon enough.

Morris
Feb 28, 2007, 10:52 AM
Why? There was a 10.3 update after Tiger came out...
Yes, I know. What I mean is you can't tell from a version number if it's going to be the last one. You can only tell in retrospect it was the last one.

Apple might release 10.4.9 next week (not unlikely) and 10.5 near the end of June (not unlikely). If it really is June for Leopard a 10.4.10 is very likely but you won't know for sure until it's out or Leopard is about two months old.

Version numbers have very little predictive qualities.

shawnce
Feb 28, 2007, 10:53 AM
looks like they are really taking their time with this one instead of just shoving it out the door... trying to make sure it's really good. Kind of indicative of it being the last update.

Like they did for 10.3.9 ... 10.4.9 will likely contain bridging frameworks and libraries that make supporting 10.4 and 10.5 easier... basically they likely will back port some amount of functionality from 10.5 to 10.4.9 (usually low level, runtime related, not really new API).

So I hope they take all the time they need. (assuming 10.4.9 is the last update to the 10.4 branch)

-Shawn

slb
Feb 28, 2007, 10:59 AM
And despite yet another version of OS X officially ending on a .9 in time for a major version update, there will still be those who claim it's not a decimal versioning system. :)

ATG
Feb 28, 2007, 11:14 AM
Look everyone, this must be the last revision of tiger because after 10.4.9 comes 10.5.0. Everyone knows that



:p ;) :p ;) :p


Seriously, I don't care about 10.4.9 because I never get any bugs with 10.4.8. Even if I did, I will buy leopard the day it comes out (actually I will preorder about a month before :D) and leopard.0 will be really buggy. So any system-wide bliss will be short lived anyway.

ChrisA
Feb 28, 2007, 11:15 AM
Looks like the session tacks are announced for WWDC. The one covering Leopard looks like it will not be a preview type thing. WWDC is June 11-15 so I can only assume Leopard will be out before Jun 11. Looks like we will not have to wait until the last day of spring (June 21) it will be at least 10 days earlier. I seriously doubt it will be released in March.

Morris
Feb 28, 2007, 11:15 AM
And despite yet another version of OS X officially ending on a .9 in time for a major version update, there will still be those who claim it's not a decimal versioning system. :)

It's rare for Apple to end at .9, they did that only once, with Panther.

Apple has never used a decimal system. 10.2.3 doesn't follow decimal principles, 10.3.6 doesn't follow decimal principles, 10.4.8 doesn't follow decimal principles, QuickTime 7.0.3.50 doesn't follow decimal principles. It is a software versioning system which, unlike the decimal system, uses more than one dot (or comma in large parts of the world).

morespce54
Feb 28, 2007, 11:26 AM
Both sites indicate that it looks as though this will be the last minor update to Mac OS 10.4 "Tiger" (other than security updates).

no kidding... :o ;)

andrew050703
Feb 28, 2007, 11:32 AM
Can't we just go ahead and get 10.5?

don't worry; now that i've ordered a macbook, it's practically certain that 10.5 will be released soon and I'll miss it :(

ChrisA
Feb 28, 2007, 11:34 AM
Intel's "Santa Rosa" comes out in May.

Apple releases some Santa Rosa based computer in June and also releases Leopard in early June (just before or even at WWDC (June 11th) with support for the new Santa Rosa based hardware

Tiger will get a final upgrade to 1.4.10 so that it can also support the new hardware.

Apple will need a new high resolution display if the "Resolution Independence" feature in Leopard is to be meaningful. So I suspect they will have at least one new display out June11th or before.

seashellz2
Feb 28, 2007, 11:39 AM
ALL the developers Ive read say "dont hold your breath" on 10.5.
Its still too unstable and buggy.

NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME.

Looks like it will be a Spring release.
Oh...right...Spring lasts until June 21...

Dokter_Mac
Feb 28, 2007, 11:45 AM
10.4.9 update will be released after 10.5 ;)
And that's from a good source!

Peace
Feb 28, 2007, 11:55 AM
The fact that the server and client versions of both platforms were released at the same time to developers tells me these builds are gonna be the last and are just sitting in the wings waiting.When they get sent to users depends on when they fix the new iTunes and Quicktime.This is more than likely the hold up for the :apple: TV also.

Still betting on an April release for Leopard.Perhaps even March 20th to coincide with the :apple: TV release.

FoxyKaye
Feb 28, 2007, 12:07 PM
Like they did for 10.3.9 ... 10.4.9 will likely contain bridging frameworks and libraries that make supporting 10.4 and 10.5 easier... basically they likely will back port some amount of functionality from 10.5 to 10.4.9 (usually low level, runtime related, not really new API).

So I hope they take all the time they need. (assuming 10.4.9 is the last update to the 10.4 branch)
Amen to that - I also suspect that we're soon going to see the last 10.3.9 or better software requirements as everything moves to 10.4.9 or better when the associated SDK's start becoming widely used. Compiling for Panther will soon become as much of a PITA as compiling for Jaguar now.

puuukeey
Feb 28, 2007, 12:11 PM
I found string resources in the 10.4.9 update that contain the word 'phone' this must mean that apple is developing the iphone.


wait... what?

chabig
Feb 28, 2007, 12:24 PM
So will the memory leaks in Safari be worked out in this release? I sure hope so! :D Can't wait for Leopard....

Whether there is a leak or not, Leopard will fix it. XCode is being updated to perform automatic garbage collection. In layman's terms, this means that leaks should be a thing of the past.

ogee
Feb 28, 2007, 12:31 PM
Both sites indicate that it looks as though this will be the last minor update to Mac OS 10.4 "Tiger" .

Isnt that stating the obvious or would they bring out 10.4.9.5 ?

psychofreak
Feb 28, 2007, 12:34 PM
Isnt that stating the obvious or would they bring out 10.4.9.5 ?

There have been many debates on this. It has never happened before, but some are convinced that because it is not a decimal system it is possible/likely/certain to happen...

chabig
Feb 28, 2007, 12:52 PM
10.4.10 would follow 10.4.9

zblaxberg
Feb 28, 2007, 01:05 PM
10.3.9 was released on about April 16, 2005, while Tiger came out on April 29. Tiger's release date was announced and it was open for preorders as of about April 1, IIRC.

one small step for apple...one giant leap towards us having leopard

10.4.9 update will be released after 10.5 ;)
And that's from a good source!

How do we know you are a reliable source?

cloudnine
Feb 28, 2007, 01:49 PM
We need more mac news! Come on Apple, release something! ANYthing!!!

Mac news? Oh, I totally heard something... I think they're going to be releasing 10.4.9 soon!

:rolleyes:

Telp
Feb 28, 2007, 02:04 PM
No. There's always a final update to the old OS around the time the new OS is released. That way Apple can fix the last remaining bigger issues with the old OS and secure compatibility between the old OS and the new OS.

Whether 10.4.9 or 10.4.10 will be the last update is only known to Apple but that a final 10.4 update will be around the 10.5 release is inevitable.

so does this give any hint as to when leopard is coming out? say like 3 months from now or what not?

MarkCollette
Feb 28, 2007, 02:25 PM
Whether there is a leak or not, Leopard will fix it. XCode is being updated to perform automatic garbage collection. In layman's terms, this means that leaks should be a thing of the past.

Garbage collection only helps reclaim memory that's no longer referenced by the program. It's possible to have logic errors where "leaked" memory is still referenced, but is not being cleaned up.

nazmac21
Feb 28, 2007, 02:40 PM
This is going to be released Friday? right?

Peace
Feb 28, 2007, 02:53 PM
This is going to be released Friday? right?

That's anybody's guess.

Stridder44
Feb 28, 2007, 03:19 PM
This is going to be released Friday? right?


Sure. Give or take a year.

nazmac21
Feb 28, 2007, 03:22 PM
Yay! There would be updates to applications as well like iTunes and iLife.
Can't wait until iTunes 7.1.0.

chubad
Feb 28, 2007, 04:20 PM
An iPhone Commercial, Mrs. Pac Man And a new build of 10.9. All in one week! Such excitement! :eek: :)

SkyBell
Feb 28, 2007, 04:43 PM
Geez, you people who are waiting to order for leopard.. Here's an idea. How about you order now,and when leopard is released, you go buy it.

I fail to see a problem.

MarkCollette
Feb 28, 2007, 04:56 PM
Geez, you people who are waiting to order for leopard.. Here's an idea. How about you order now,and when leopard is released, you go buy it.

I fail to see a problem.

Personally, I'm waiting for:

1. Santa Rosa and the GMA x3000
2. Leopard
3. Higher resolution displays

But all these things are kind of tied together, both in enabling each other, and in their release timeframes.

nazmac21
Feb 28, 2007, 04:59 PM
Will there be any firmware updates with Mac OS 10.4.9?

psychofreak
Feb 28, 2007, 05:02 PM
An iPhone Commercial, Mrs. Pac Man And a new build of 10.9. All in one week! Such excitement! :eek: :)

10.9!? What's it called?

Peace
Feb 28, 2007, 05:04 PM
This is the calm before the storm.

Just watch.

Tomaz
Feb 28, 2007, 05:06 PM
I'm expecting Leopard to be a huge disappointment. There will be no new finder, no new UI and no secret features, simply because I think these features and new designs would have appeared in a beta already. It wouldn't make sense to hold these back now that Vista is out. On the contrary, showcasing the new and improved and soon to be released Osx could make people hesitate to buy a new Vista PC...

So I'm sure we'll all be disappointed...

(And who cares if 10.4.9 is the last update or if it could be followed by 10.4.9.1 or 10.4.10 or whatever, get a life people)

Wow, that was one negative post ;)

Stridder44
Feb 28, 2007, 05:11 PM
I'm expecting Leopard to be a huge disappointment. There will be no new finder, no new UI and no secret features, simply because I think these features and new designs would have appeared in a beta already. It wouldn't make sense to hold these back now that Vista is out. On the contrary, showcasing the new and improved and soon to be released Osx could make people hesitate to buy a new Vista PC...

So I'm sure we'll all be disappointed...

(And who cares if 10.4.9 is the last update or if it could be followed by 10.4.9.1 or 10.4.10 or whatever, get a life people)

Wow, that was one negative post ;)


Yeah that post was pretty emo. I hope there's a new finder, among other things.

Peace
Feb 28, 2007, 05:13 PM
I'm expecting Leopard to be a huge disappointment. There will be no new finder, no new UI and no secret features, simply because I think these features and new designs would have appeared in a beta already. It wouldn't make sense to hold these back now that Vista is out. On the contrary, showcasing the new and improved and soon to be released Osx could make people hesitate to buy a new Vista PC...

So I'm sure we'll all be disappointed...

(And who cares if 10.4.9 is the last update or if it could be followed by 10.4.9.1 or 10.4.10 or whatever, get a life people)

Wow, that was one negative post ;)


Mark this post.

I will personally send you via PayPal $50 U.S. Dollars if there is no updated Finder in Leopard.

psychofreak
Feb 28, 2007, 05:14 PM
This is the calm before the storm.

Just watch.

Leopard will blow me away...calm...my arse

AppleMan101
Feb 28, 2007, 05:17 PM
10.9!? What's it called?

Mac OS X v10.9 (Domestic)

psychofreak
Feb 28, 2007, 05:21 PM
Mark this post.

I will personally send you via PayPal $50 U.S. Dollars if there is no updated Finder in Leopard.

I wasn't really in the scene before 10.4, I was interested and enjoyed macs, but my PC had around 2 years left so I was not really involved. Were people wishing for a revamped finder in 10.4?

Peace
Feb 28, 2007, 05:22 PM
I wasn't really in the scene before 10.4, I was interested and enjoyed macs, but my PC had around 2 years left so I was not really involved. Were people wishing for a revamped finder in 10.4?

HAH!

That is probably the single most requested update that I know of.

Tomaz
Feb 28, 2007, 05:23 PM
Mark this post.

I will personally send you via PayPal $50 U.S. Dollars if there is no updated Finder in Leopard.

Now I'm not sure if I should hope for anew finder or not.... ;)

(Small changes like new icons or thinner scrollbars don't count!!)

psychofreak
Feb 28, 2007, 05:23 PM
HAH!

That is probably the single most requested update that I know of.
Was it huge disappointment?

Whistleway
Feb 28, 2007, 05:24 PM
I'm expecting Leopard to be a huge disappointment. There will be no new finder, no new UI and no secret features, simply because I think these features and new designs would have appeared in a beta already. It wouldn't make sense to hold these back now that Vista is out. On the contrary, showcasing the new and improved and soon to be released Osx could make people hesitate to buy a new Vista PC...

So I'm sure we'll all be disappointed...

(And who cares if 10.4.9 is the last update or if it could be followed by 10.4.9.1 or 10.4.10 or whatever, get a life people)

Wow, that was one negative post ;)

You took words right off my mouth.. I feel exactly the same,

Dokter_Mac
Feb 28, 2007, 05:35 PM
How do we know you are a reliable source?

I know they will release 10.5 first because they need to.
It's that or a 10.5.1 update within weeks after the release from Leopard.
They will choose for the 10.4.9 update a few weeks after 10.5.
That's what I know ;) and what I have heard ;)

PS:I'm not "the" source, I have a source :apple: We will see if it's reliable...

ModestPenguin
Feb 28, 2007, 05:35 PM
10.9!? What's it called?

no one knows.

but 10.8 is called octopussy...:eek: :p

macguysoft
Feb 28, 2007, 05:58 PM
I've been thinking, Apple hasn't released an updated OS in 2 years now right? Why does the version have to be 10.5? Why not 11?...That way, they can escape from the lack of cat names. I believe Leopard will blow us away but perhaps a few disappointments that we wanted but we can't always get what we want right? Aside from that, Leopard is going to rock! I'd bet 100 bucks on it.

nazmac21
Feb 28, 2007, 05:59 PM
10.6- Lynx
10.7- Lion
10.8- Cougar
10.9- Bobcat

macguysoft
Feb 28, 2007, 06:03 PM
10.9- Bobcat

or Garfield! :p

nazmac21
Feb 28, 2007, 06:09 PM
OS 11 in 2020, the transition OS X to OS 11 is going to be 2020-2023.
OS C in 2200, the transition OS 99 to OS C is going to be 2200-2203.

Cult Follower
Feb 28, 2007, 06:18 PM
I think leopard is gonna be great. I can't wait to pick it up hopefully within the month of march along with iwork 07 and ilife 07.

arkmannj
Feb 28, 2007, 06:27 PM
to those saying they will be disappointed in the lack of features (new finder, secrets, etc.),

Perhaps it won't have a flashy new Finder, or secret stuff. But I for one plan on buying a copy of Leopard for myself and every Mac owning member of my family just based on the features Apple has listed on their website. this may sound weak but the remote help feature in iChat alone will save me countless headaches. refined spotlight controls will undoubtedly be helpful. I'm not a programmer but updates to the "Core features" like Core Animation should provide some nice eye-candy for us end users. better 64bit support (I'm still using G4's so not a big boost for me, but I'm sure it will help performance for many people). For some people Time Machine will be well worth the investment.

In short, don't get me wrong I'm sure you are right that there will be a bit of a letdown if there doesn't turn out to be many of the things you listed. But, for me they are just extras compared to the value I find in many other features we do already know Leopard will have.

Secretly I'm hoping part of the secret features (if they do in fact exist) is more built in PVR functionality to record shows. this "Might" actually make an :apple:TV worth the price to me, though I'm sure this is unlikely since Apple will want to promote buying shows from the iTunes store.

anyhow just my 2 cents (probably only worth 1 cent ;-) )

MarkCollette
Feb 28, 2007, 06:32 PM
I'm expecting Leopard to be a huge disappointment. There will be no new finder, no new UI and no secret features, simply because I think these features and new designs would have appeared in a beta already. It wouldn't make sense to hold these back now that Vista is out. On the contrary, showcasing the new and improved and soon to be released Osx could make people hesitate to buy a new Vista PC...

So I'm sure we'll all be disappointed...



Personally, I don't really care if there are additional unannounced features. Leopard, as I understand it, is already worth the upgrade. Between Time machine, Spaces, and CoreAnimation, I'm already happy. All the rest sounds nice, and any other new thing would be icing on the cake.

But I still think you're wrong about no new UI and Finder...

justflie
Feb 28, 2007, 06:35 PM
In addition the already mentioned features and secret features (if they actually exist), I'm also looking forward to increased Intel performace/optimisation. I expect Leopard to run superfast on Intel macs.

macguysoft
Feb 28, 2007, 06:42 PM
I'm also expecting Leopard to be incredibly stable. 2x more stable would do. It's not that it's unstable but Safari always crashes on me at least once a day. Nothing to complain about of course but hopefully Apple could make crashes more rare. Since Panther, I've never had any crashes that froze my whole computer up.

superspiffy
Feb 28, 2007, 06:53 PM
What about an automatic way to uninstall apps? Nobody's wishing for this? I'm a PC user, about to transition, but one of the first things that surprised me about Macs was the lack of a program registry and the cumbersome way you therefore have to uninstall programs.

iMikeT
Feb 28, 2007, 06:56 PM
Here comes Leopard!

Simon R.
Feb 28, 2007, 06:59 PM
What about an automatic way to uninstall apps? Nobody's wishing for this? I'm a PC user, about to transition, but one of the first things that surprised me about Macs was the lack of a program registry and the cumbersome way you therefore have to uninstall programs.

On the other hand, your Mac doesn't get cluttered with tons of unused files and registry entries that slow down the system like Windows. My Mac Pro can still boot in 12 seconds after I installed and uninstalled loads of programs etc.

Peace
Feb 28, 2007, 07:02 PM
On the other hand, your Mac doesn't get cluttered with tons of unused files and registry entries that slow down the system like Windows. My Mac Pro can still boot in 12 seconds after I installed and uninstalled loads of programs etc.

I'm sorry man but who cares how fast it boots??

People make it sound like they sit at their computer constantly booting their computer..
I have Tiger and Leopard dual booting and the only time I re-boot is to test something..


No offense :)

Love
Feb 28, 2007, 07:04 PM
Apple is beginning to piss me off. Like... do they really need to be this secretive anymore?



kevindosi
Feb 28, 2007, 07:13 PM
what about the features apple was "keeping close to their chest"... i was under the impression that there would be some really cool super secret feature released with 10.5

kevindosi
Feb 28, 2007, 07:15 PM
What about an automatic way to uninstall apps? Nobody's wishing for this? I'm a PC user, about to transition, but one of the first things that surprised me about Macs was the lack of a program registry and the cumbersome way you therefore have to uninstall programs.

you can usually just drag the app to the trash can, no?

Peel
Feb 28, 2007, 07:49 PM
you can usually just drag the app to the trash can, no?

Yeah you can, but this leaves behind any library files in Application Support, special frameworks, etc. Depending on the program these can add up to more hard disc space than the application itself.

Stella
Feb 28, 2007, 07:52 PM
duplicate of above post.

Eric5h5
Feb 28, 2007, 08:31 PM
one of the first things that surprised me about Macs was the lack of a program registry

Which is a good thing. Not having a registry prevents certain kinds of well-known problems.

and the cumbersome way you therefore have to uninstall programs.

Pretty much any program that's complex enough to put bunches of files in possibly obscure places has its own uninstaller. Otherwise, just drag to the trash. I don't see any reason for this to change.

--Eric

bored911
Feb 28, 2007, 09:02 PM
this most likely won't be a true update, they are prob too focused on leopard now, especially if the march release date is right

bigandy
Feb 28, 2007, 09:04 PM
i just hope it fixes the levitation device in my MBP. for some odd reason it's ceased to function with 10.4.8. :(

jiwa
Feb 28, 2007, 09:26 PM
I'm expecting Leopard to be a huge disappointment. There will be no new finder, no new UI and no secret features, simply because I think these features and new designs would have appeared in a beta already. It wouldn't make sense to hold these back now that Vista is out. On the contrary, showcasing the new and improved and soon to be released Osx could make people hesitate to buy a new Vista PC...

So I'm sure we'll all be disappointed...

(And who cares if 10.4.9 is the last update or if it could be followed by 10.4.9.1 or 10.4.10 or whatever, get a life people)

Wow, that was one negative post ;)

While I am also not getting my hopes up about Leopard's features, to minimise disappointment when it is eventually released, what people should realise is that the builds being seeded to developers do not necessarily indicate the state of Leopard's readiness in general.

I am willing to put money on the fact that the builds being seeded to developers represents a completely separate code branch (look up source control branching if you aren't familiar with it), and does NOT necessarily represent the release version of Leopard that Apple's developers are readying.

The purpose of Apple releasing early builds to developers is so they can ready their own products for the release of Leopard, and at a minimum requires that core operating system functions and libraries etc represent those that will be released with Leopard. It also gives them a feel for what they will be working with. Tight control over new features, UI changes etc are highest priority. The updated builds that are received by external developers probably represent significant and relevant 'merges' from the main development branch.

Apple has some of the tightest control over their upcoming products than any other company in the industry, which all comes down to marketing strategy. Giving too much away too early means that the "Wow" ;) impact of the new release is watered-down.

Expect to be impressed (I hope) :)

Rob

jiwa
Feb 28, 2007, 09:43 PM
I'm also expecting Leopard to be incredibly stable. 2x more stable would do. It's not that it's unstable but Safari always crashes on me at least once a day. Nothing to complain about of course but hopefully Apple could make crashes more rare. Since Panther, I've never had any crashes that froze my whole computer up.

2 x more stable? So that means you're happy with Safari crashing on you at least once every two days ;)

bored911
Feb 28, 2007, 09:43 PM
keeping my fingers crossed. *new ui, new ui!!!*

Wild-Bill
Feb 28, 2007, 10:33 PM
what about the features apple was "keeping close to their chest"... i was under the impression that there would be some really cool super secret feature released with 10.5

I was under the impression that there would be some really cool hardware released at MacWorld. But that didn't happen either.

Many many people have been waiting for something new from Apple for a while now. Looks like my Mac Pro purchase is on hold indefinitely........

thewhitehart
Feb 28, 2007, 11:55 PM
I can care less if 10.4.9 is followed by 10.4.10, or 10.4.dingleberry, or whether it's the last update or not before Leopard.

I'm currently running at 10.4.7, as 10.4.8 royally screwed up airport on my intel imac. 10.4.9 better fix it, but as airport is not listed in its current list of bug fixes, it's looking pretty grim.

Simon R.
Mar 1, 2007, 02:34 AM
I'm sorry man but who cares how fast it boots??

People make it sound like they sit at their computer constantly booting their computer..
I have Tiger and Leopard dual booting and the only time I re-boot is to test something..


No offense :)


Well, I do. And it tells me something about how much it loads and processes upon booting, obviously. And there, Windows really sucks. Over time, booting will become slower and slower. Not on OS X.

OldCorpse
Mar 1, 2007, 03:24 AM
To me Leopard is going to be a big test. I'm very annoyed with Apple, and disappointed. I fear they may be losing their touch. We've had practically no news of interest from them on the computer front. Sorry, I don't care about AppleTV, or iPhone. Where are the re-designed MBP's? Where's the mid-tower? Why are there practically no news about new software? Final Cut 5+ has just been a slight update to 4.5, it's been years since anything of interest has happened with FCP. Logic - same story. They can't even get iLife 7 out the door for cryin' out loud... same with iWork... and it's been six months since 10.4.8 and they can't even get a point release out: 10.4.9.

So it's down to Leopard. I reeeeaaaly hope all this waiting is worth it. I'm not optimistic. Nothing we've heard last year has jazzed me about 10.5. This year, they haven't even bothered talking about it. Ugh.

I fear they're getting distracted with iPhone, lamo AppleTV and various knick-knacks... and have forgotten their roots in the computer industry - no wonder they've renamed themselves to Apple, and dropped the Computer part... very ominous.

So, I'm hoping the next few months will be a veritable orgy of Apple computer news - both software and hardware... and that Leopard blows us away with superfabulous magic. We need this to restore our faith.

When there's no news for too long, I start losing interest, and look to other more dynamic companies. Apple is overdoing the secretive part. You can be totally silent for only so long before the "mystery" turns to crashing boredom. Apple is getting too close to losing momentum... to sustain momentum, and loyalty, you need to throw your fans a bone from time to time... we can't be running on empty forever... the time for something REALLY BIG is SOON.

wavelayer
Mar 1, 2007, 09:43 AM
In response to the dissapointments out there; Apple has done amazing things in terms of their computers. The intel transition happened light years ahead of schedule, and the computers are rock solid. They are adding non-computer products to their line, yes, which should help the company financially. REmember, iPod saved apple in many ways. They will never abandon their computers, and when the new stuff hits the pipeline, we'll be pleased as always. Enjoy what you've got. I bet you're not using your equipment to its full potential anyway. Learn the computers and apps inside and out; that should keep you busy in the meantime.

Mgkwho
Mar 1, 2007, 10:27 AM
Four freakin months and all we get is airport extreme and colorized shuffles.



ppffffft.


-=|Mgkwho

epardilla
Mar 2, 2007, 01:49 PM
i dont consider a new seeded 10.8.9 whatever news---especially since its seeded to the developers. Apple keeps delaying releases and giving out vague release dates, i.e. telling ppl who preordered appletv that it will come out in "mid-march" when the date changed to march 20/23rd, and "Spring" for leopard, and "Coming June" for iphone. Seems like what we'd really only see are previews of leopard in "spring" with actual release in stores to buy in fall and then a preview for iphone in "june" when we really cannot buy it until xmas 2007.

The waiting is agonizing and I'm tired of being addicted to mac news and starving to death from a lack of it!!!! :confused:

dextertangocci
Mar 3, 2007, 02:10 PM
All I want is an iSync update, to support Samsung phones.

netdog
Mar 3, 2007, 02:13 PM
All I want is an iSync update, to support Samsung phones.

And LG KG800 Chocolate. Come on now.

zblaxberg
Mar 4, 2007, 09:27 AM
The fact that the server and client versions of both platforms were released at the same time to developers tells me these builds are gonna be the last and are just sitting in the wings waiting.When they get sent to users depends on when they fix the new iTunes and Quicktime.This is more than likely the hold up for the :apple: TV also.

Still betting on an April release for Leopard.Perhaps even March 20th to coincide with the :apple: TV release.

I was wondering what happened to april or may....no one even considered these months...they skipped from march to june...common people think :apple: , think different

OS 11 in 2020, the transition OS X to OS 11 is going to be 2020-2023.
OS C in 2200, the transition OS 99 to OS C is going to be 2200-2203.

But didn't the mayans predict the end of the world to be 2012

i dont consider a new seeded 10.8.9 whatever news---

buddy get your facts straight...10.4.9.....don't argue otherwise

SkyBell
Mar 4, 2007, 01:45 PM
But didn't the mayans predict the end of the world to be 2012
Yeah, and I doubt humans will make it another 150 years (tops) anyway.

Yes, there could be a 10.4.10, it isn't impossible. But you're missing the point. Apple WON'T do it because it would be confusing to the average consumer.

So it's pretty safe to say this is the last update.

yojimbothe3rd
Mar 4, 2007, 02:29 PM
Yeah, and I doubt humans will make it another 150 years (tops) anyway.

Yes, there could be a 10.4.10, it isn't impossible. But you're missing the point. Apple WON'T do it because it would be confusing to the average consumer.

So it's pretty safe to say this is the last update.

I agree with you second point. However I do feel that if Apple thinks it is necessary they will issue a 10.4.10 update, but yes it will be confusing to many consumers and would shy away from such a decision.

zblaxberg
Mar 4, 2007, 05:14 PM
I know they will release 10.5 first because they need to.
It's that or a 10.5.1 update within weeks after the release from Leopard.
They will choose for the 10.4.9 update a few weeks after 10.5.
That's what I know ;) and what I have heard ;)

PS:I'm not "the" source, I have a source :apple: We will see if it's reliable...

everyone has a source these days...I just hope yours is right cuz i really want leopard...we'll see

psychofreak
Mar 4, 2007, 05:16 PM
everyone has a source these days...I don't:(

nazmac21
Mar 4, 2007, 11:30 PM
I was wondering what happened to april or may....no one even considered these months...they skipped from march to june...common people think :apple: , think different



But didn't the mayans predict the end of the world to be 2012



buddy get your facts straight...10.4.9.....don't argue otherwise

I believe Nostrodamus said the world would end in 3797 and I don't believe the world is going to end in 2012.

Father Jack
Mar 4, 2007, 11:35 PM
Four freakin months and all we get is airport extreme and colorized shuffles.



ppffffft.


-=|Mgkwho

You say "Freakin" and here in Ireland we say "Feckin"
That apart, I totally agree :mad:


FJ