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Porshuh944turbo
Jun 4, 2003, 07:20 AM
OT WARNING!!!!

You could probably tell from my (new) name that I am a Porsche fan. I am currently looking for a new car and it will be a Porsche, but I am stuck deciding which model to get. I have run this by a few people and most of them have strong feelings towards the cars so it's hard to get a what I call "innocent bystander" opinion.

I have a good idea of which to get, but want to see which is more appealing to someone who doesn't normally see the cars. (no offense i hope!) I've included pictures of each of the 3 cars for strictly a visually appealing comparison...

Option 1: 1989 944 Turbo (http://www.asarus.com/cup/DCP_1228.jpg)
Option 2: 1992 968 (http://www.tonygarcia.org/968_3/MVC00021.JPG)
Option 3: 1990 911 Carrera 2 (http://www.porsche968uk.co.uk/images/964.jpg)

I know that my own opinion is the most important but who can help to wonder what others think of thier car? Espescially if it's a sports car. All 3 of these cars are incredible handling card, very reliable, and engineered to excellence. I've owned a 944 turbo in the past and loved it, and part of me wants another one, but can't help to wonder how it would feel to have a 911.

Also, don't think I am loaded.. all of these cars can be had for less than or around the same price as a new civic! (nothing wrong with hondas.. )

anyway.. I hope someone will give me some opinions based on aesthetics...

TIA!

zarathustra
Jun 4, 2003, 07:40 AM
I love the 911 Carrera. It is the most recognizable Porsche line and it is just awesome! Although I see from your name that you might be leaning towards option 1. ;)

iGav
Jun 4, 2003, 07:43 AM
What about a 1989 Carrera 4?? they're a pretty good motor, and the 4WD system tames the handling alittle.. making it swifter down your favouritite piece of black stuff!!

I'd go for the 911 though, classic shape... still looks cool, and hasn't dated like the 944.... (very 80's) as for the 968, bit patchy... kind of like a juxtaposition of the 944 (which it is) and the lights from a 928...

So I'd go for the 911... classic, sweet, cool... ;) :D

Kwyjibo
Jun 4, 2003, 08:35 AM
I don't know how much poer your looking for or anything but did you loook at the more recent boxsters? My friend got a 97 with less than 50k miles for under $25,000. I'm not sure what your budget wsas but i thought the average new civic was around 20. Just my thought because they look pretty cool and the body style is coompletely updated :)

wdlove
Jun 4, 2003, 08:45 PM
I would suggest checking with consumer reports!

http://www.consumerreports.org/main/home.jsp

Porshuh944turbo
Jun 4, 2003, 09:20 PM
I don't want a boxter at all. I never liked the rear end.. and the 89 C4 is what I was going to get, but after visiting the track and riding around with a guy in an older 911 and him telling me he could out corner a c4 any day.. I decided the extra weight of a C4 is not needed for me (i live in tx and snow is way too rare).


My budjet is 25,000 so I could get a boxter, but I just don't like them... The thing about the 944 turbo is that it is a turbo and I love the surge of hp that comes with that.. plus there are so many good mods to do to get over 300hp to the wheels without a lot of money (under $2000).

The 968 I wouldn't get except the one I am looking at is a very special one.. It was developed with a company called Huntley Racing and now has a supercharger and makes 270hp/270tq at the wheels on a dynojet.. this takes all that I don't like of a 968 (no turbo and only 236 hp that's hard to squeeze more out of) into a near 300hp excellent handling more modern than the 944 car! oh and i like the lights of the 968 and 928.. thats one thing i like about those cars.... (928 is not in my list because i'd want a gt or gts and I don't have the money for one of those! :))

now i'm getting into non-aesthetic talk.. .crap.. anyway.. i guess you guys are going with the 911 (more recognizable - agreed, more modern looking than the 944...)

hmm... any more opinions?

medea
Jun 4, 2003, 09:26 PM
$25,000 eh? get a new mini......
heh I know you want a porsche but, with that money you could afford a new car.

Porshuh944turbo
Jun 4, 2003, 09:37 PM
i don't want a car though... not just a car.. i want a porsche.... and a new porsche.. i cannot afford :)

There is no substitute!

Sun Baked
Jun 4, 2003, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by Porshuh944turbo
i don't want a car though... not just a car.. i want a porsche.... and a new porsche.. i cannot afford :)

There is no substitute! That's almost like saying.

Viagra, there is no substitute!

job
Jun 4, 2003, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by Porshuh944turbo
i don't want a car though... not just a car.. i want a porsche.... and a new porsche.. i cannot afford :)

There is no substitute!

Go with the 911.

It's a timeless design.

[edit: spelling]

Porshuh944turbo
Jun 4, 2003, 09:53 PM
he said viagra... lol!! :D

springscansing
Jun 4, 2003, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by medea
$25,000 eh? get a new mini......
heh I know you want a porsche but, with that money you could afford a new car.

Who in their right mind would buy a mini over a porsche?

All my know is that my Saab 9000CseT is quicker off the line than my girlfriend's dad's 944, heh. Saabs are underestimated!

Porshuh944turbo
Jun 4, 2003, 11:19 PM
very possible.. but remember one thing: Porsches are built for the esses, not the straights. plus.. is your dad's 944 a turbo or an na? the turbos are still very quick off the line (5.9 0-60) but they absolutely shine from 60-100. and all 944's and 968's perfect 50/50 weight distribution makes them go exactly where you point them.. no hesitation.. no guessing..

3rdpath
Jun 5, 2003, 12:01 AM
as a former 911 owner/racer, i'll vote for the 911.

regardless of the 944/968's merits, i don't think of them as "real" porsches. i don't mean to dis you in any way...just a purist's opinion.

the 911 will outperform/outhandle just about anything on the road...

and chicks dig 'em...need i say more?

:D ;) :D

Porshuh944turbo
Jun 5, 2003, 12:06 AM
ah.. but most of the reasons for not saying a 944/968 is a "true porsche" would apply to the latest 911's - 996... :)

foremost... watercooled.....

springscansing
Jun 5, 2003, 12:17 AM
Originally posted by Porshuh944turbo
very possible.. but remember one thing: Porsches are built for the esses, not the straights. plus.. is your dad's 944 a turbo or an na? the turbos are still very quick off the line (5.9 0-60) but they absolutely shine from 60-100. and all 944's and 968's perfect 50/50 weight distribution makes them go exactly where you point them.. no hesitation.. no guessing..

Oh I'm sure the Porsche is a better handling and performing car overall. That 944 has thrown me into the side of it pretty hard a few times. Hell, the Saab is 3200 pounds though, heh. For that weight though, its balanced very well and handles quite nicely. It's no Porsche though. ;-)

On the plus side its safe as hell. I'm 18 so I do enjoy my airbags, crumple zones, and side impact beams. Killer a/c too. haha

I do believe his porsche is naturally aspirated.

Porshuh944turbo
Jun 5, 2003, 01:03 AM
Saabs are nice too.. One thing cool about 944s is the 87 944 turbo was the first production sports car in the world to have dual airbags standard.

vniow
Jun 5, 2003, 01:13 AM
How well to the older Porches manage over the years, I've seen a few 944s for under $5000 or so so (they're the only Porche I can afford, hee hee..) so how's their reliability and such? Do they hold up well after almost 20 years or so?

Thanx,

-V

Porshuh944turbo
Jun 5, 2003, 01:19 AM
You would want to save a hundred bucks to spend up front and get the car checked out (Pre Purchase Inspection) at a Porsche mechanic.... You can get a 944 for under $5000 without any problem but don't do it if you can't plan for $500 or so a year of up-keep on it... More info on "what to look & know before you buy" can be found at the 944 FAQ...

http://www.connact.com/~kgross/FAQ/944faq.html

These are amazing and incredibly fun cars to drive and own. Be warned.. buying one or even just test-driving one can cause you get the Porsche-Fever.... it just may never go away! (it happened to me) Once it happens, cars are either Porsches or they are not...

pseudobrit
Jun 5, 2003, 01:45 AM
Originally posted by vniow
How well to the older Porches manage over the years, I've seen a few 944s for under $5000 or so so (they're the only Porche I can afford, hee hee..) so how's their reliability and such? Do they hold up well after almost 20 years or so?

Thanx,

-V

Porsches can be beat to hell. Especially the 944s. I've driven a few, and decided they weren't worth the cost to repair and insure as a tradeoff of the $4-7k entry fee.

Hey, Porshuh (nice name with the correct pronunciation, no Porch to sit on there ;) ), have you considered one of the Beck Spyders? That's what I'd blow my $25 grand on, and it's more reliable than any 944, though maybe not so practical as a daily driver. :)

Porshuh944turbo
Jun 5, 2003, 02:33 AM
haha.. I hadn't seen those Beck replicas.. but they look good.. I don't think that's really a viable option for me though.. I gotta go with Stuttgart original... If I was getting a 944, it'd be a turbo and I'd spend anywhere from $10-$15k. It's the 911 and supercharged 968 that's gonna cost me $20k up

pseudobrit
Jun 5, 2003, 02:50 AM
Originally posted by Porshuh944turbo
haha.. I hadn't seen those Beck replicas.. but they look good.. I don't think that's really a viable option for me though.. I gotta go with Stuttgart original... If I was getting a 944, it'd be a turbo and I'd spend anywhere from $10-$15k. It's the 911 and supercharged 968 that's gonna cost me $20k up

Keep your eyes peeled for the auction specials... bent frames, bad resprays and welds, dirty engine bays, rust, etc... there's an awful lot that can go wrong with a Porsche. Remember you're buying a car that sold for the equivalent of $60,000 new, and is now 20 years old, so it's going to cost as much to maintain as an exotic. I could afford to buy a Roller, but I can't afford to own one!

Porshuh944turbo
Jun 5, 2003, 03:02 AM
this is true.. you have to do your homework... get it checked out first.. make sure you have a service history.. most porsche owners keep a detailed history for everything they do on the car from day 1.. this is important.

groovebuster
Jun 5, 2003, 03:53 AM
I have to admit that it is hard for me to stay neutral, since I am from Germany and Porsches are not that unusual on the streets here... ;)

I always would go for a 911 over a 944 or 968. The 911 evolved over the years but always kept it's classical line. The 944 is a plain ugly 80's design, as well as the 968. The 911 always looks good, no matter from when it is.

Just my opinion... ;)

groovebuster

Porshuh944turbo
Jun 5, 2003, 04:07 AM
thank you for your imput groovebuster... i didn't know [edit: realize] you were from germany.. I guess I just have a bias toward the 944.. it's like the underdog to me.. and I always seem to go away from the crowd which is why i like porsches in the first place, and even then, i like the porsches that aren't as popular and that are underrated..

I have to say that the 968 was a masterpiece in my book... it was the most advanced porsche at the time and in 95 when they stopped all watercooled cars, it was the best car you could get imho. so much of the 968 was new and not used from the 944 that it replaced. it was so overengineered, much like the 928 of the time that it just begs to be discovered and i feel i have to do that! That's why I think i'm stuck on these cars...

Porshuh944turbo
Jun 5, 2003, 04:09 AM
that must be why i've always gone with Macs too.. partly to be different, but I think I enjoy seeing what no one else takes time to see.. (well not no one else, but at least the majority...)

groovebuster
Jun 5, 2003, 04:33 AM
Originally posted by Porshuh944turbo
I guess I just have a bias toward the 944.. it's like the underdog to me.. and I always seem to go away from the crowd which is why i like porsches in the first place, and even then, i like the porsches that aren't as popular and that are underrated..

I know what you mean. I am a little bit like that too. I have a BMW motorcycle from 1959 (http://www.bmw-motorrad.de/de/de/fascination/history/models/onw_picture.html?model=r26 ), because it is something totally different to drive an oldtimer compared to a modern motorcycle with all those gadgets nobody really needs. I also had a Moto Guzzi stornello 160 once (from 1974, http://www.morino.it/guzzi/moto/stornello/stornello5M.html), a small motorcycle that was never sold in Germany and mine was the one of 3 on the streets here. Unfortunately italian engeneering in 70's was everything but perfect. I spend almost as much time to repair it as I was driving it (which was a lot of fun in the city). To get spare parts was almost impossible and expensive and so i sold it after a few years again.

Regarding Porsches, I just don't like the design of the 924/944/968 even though they are a lot of fun to drive (especially the 944 and the 968). But it is really a question of personal taste. I just never would buy a vehicle just because it is seldom, I also have to like how it looks like. When I was little I loved the 928 and it's "egg"-design at the rear. It was so futuristic bac then. You hardly see them anymore. People who have them in a good condition keep them as their precious in the garage.

Originally posted by Porshuh944turbo
I have to say that the 968 was a masterpiece in my book... it was the most advanced porsche at the time and in 95 when they stopped all watercooled cars, it was the best car you could get imho. so much of the 968 was new and not used from the 944 that it replaced. it was so overengineered, much like the 928 of the time that it just begs to be discovered and i feel i have to do that! That's why I think i'm stuck on these cars...

Technically the 968 was brilliant... but as I said, for me also the packaging counts.

Good luck for your decision making! :)

groovebuster

Porshuh944turbo
Jun 5, 2003, 04:38 AM
thanks again!

I hope I didn't sound like I wanted the car because it was seldom... I like the looks too! I guess it grew on me after the first few times I saw one.. since you see them a lot, you probably are past letting it grow on you, so that's cool. This same part of me thought that likes to go away from the crowd is fighting the part of me that loves the classic 911 shape. (I'm not much of a fan of the 996 shape and it still being called a 911, but anyhoo.)


NEway.. I still got some financials to get in order for the next month or so and then I'll hopefully have a decision.

Porshuh944turbo
Jun 5, 2003, 04:43 AM
http://www.bmw-motorrad.de/de/_common/img/fascination/history/data_m/hist_mod_r26_m.jpg

Very nice bike! I think I'll download the zip file they have "zum download" on that page when I get home.

Tschuss!

Porshuh944turbo
Jun 7, 2003, 02:48 AM
Here are some other pictures of 968's.. very sweet looking cars I think.. I don't think they are 80's at all.. (they are from 92-95 actually) :)


oops.. can't link to these pics...

grr.. you can go to these links for the pics...

Nice Silverish 968 with cool wheels and I love the front spoiler! (http://hobbystage.net/porsche/media.cgi?site=dan968&folder=*&group=1&page=*&id=1022128478-000806)

and

Very Very Very rare Turbo S 968 (http://hobbystage.net/porsche/media.cgi?site=dan968&folder=*&id=1022128218-000800)

pseudobrit
Jun 7, 2003, 07:32 AM
I like 924s too. Like 944s without the steroid injections. (those bulging fenders)

Porshuh944turbo
Jun 9, 2003, 01:54 PM
I LOVE the bulging fenders.. if you have ever sat in the driver seat of a 944 and looked back at the rear fenders.. you'll fall in love... maybe I can find a pick of that view.. amazing...

Here's a sweet turbo rs 968... 1 of around 4 factory originals!

http://www.carmemories.com/images/dbimages/1449.jpg

guitargeek
Jun 9, 2003, 05:08 PM
The carrera looks the best, but I'd actually go with whatever has the most horsepower.

I'm a motor junkie :D

wdlove
Jun 9, 2003, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by Porshuh944turbo
Here are some other pictures of 968's.. very sweet looking cars I think.. I don't think they are 80's at all.. (they are from 92-95 actually) :)

Very Very Very rare Turbo S 968 (http://hobbystage.net/porsche/media.cgi?site=dan968&folder=*&id=1022128218-000800)

That Polar Silver is beautiful, too bad I would never fit into one of those! :( Maybe if they had a shoehorn for a car, but could never get out! :p

aethier
Jun 9, 2003, 05:54 PM
I would say the 911, or if you could find a 959(i think that was the name) they are great looking too//

aethier

iJon
Jun 9, 2003, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by Kwyjibo
I don't know how much poer your looking for or anything but did you loook at the more recent boxsters? My friend got a 97 with less than 50k miles for under $25,000. I'm not sure what your budget wsas but i thought the average new civic was around 20. Just my thought because they look pretty cool and the body style is coompletely updated :)
well the boxster is their low end car, yet very fun, especially if you get the s type. i want to drive their new suv, considering it is bout as fast as the boxster.

iJon

pseudobrit
Jun 10, 2003, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by aethier
I would say the 911, or if you could find a 959(i think that was the name) they are great looking too//

aethier

Bill Gates has a 959.
Because you need Bill Gates money to buy a 959.

Porshuh944turbo
Jun 10, 2003, 01:06 AM
I don't think I'd find a 959...

I think I'm set on a Supercharged 968 now... 270HP/270TQ at the wheels.