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skinnylegs
Mar 22, 2007, 06:04 PM
*EDIT* I created this post before I realized that my router was a bit archaic. I have since purchased an Apple Extreme router and Apple TV is working wonderfully! It is everything I thought it would be!

Let me preface myself by saying that I am an Apple advocate and this post is *not* intended to ruffle feathers. It is an honest accounting.

Setup of Apple TV is braindead easy. Great. However......streaming of content is *horndous*. It is soooo slow that it is hardly worth the effort.....even for something as simple as a song.

I'm syncing as we speak and I'm *hoping* that this will work well.

Maybe it's something I'm doing or not doing but I am really disappointed with the streaming portion of Apple TV.



TBi
Mar 22, 2007, 06:06 PM
I'd say this has more to do with the speed of your wireless connection than anything else. Is the base station too far away? How is the signal strength? What is the connection speed?

macd00d
Mar 22, 2007, 06:07 PM
Let me preface myself by saying that I am an Apple advocate and this post is *not* intended to ruffle feathers. It is an honest accounting.

Setup of Apple TV is braindead easy. Great. However......streaming of content is *horndous*. It is soooo slow that it is hardly worth the effort.....even for something as simple as a song.

I'm syncing as we speak and I'm *hoping* that this will work well.

Maybe it's something I'm doing or not doing but I am really disappointed with the streaming portion of Apple TV.

I think you must have something wrong with your network. Are you using wired or wireless? I'm wired at 100Mbps/FD on the :apple:TV side and at 1000Mbps/FD on my iMac side... and streaming works flawlessly. I can't even get 720p HD material to skip a beat.

To be honest, given my performance I don't even see the need for the internal hard drive!

Best of luck... I assure you that streaming works great if the network conditions are right.

Phobophobia
Mar 22, 2007, 06:09 PM
It is soooo slow that it is hardly worth the effort.....even for something as simple as a song.
Your post clearly indicates that your network connection is malfunctioning, or you have a faulty unit.

skinnylegs
Mar 22, 2007, 06:13 PM
OK.....I'll admit that I am a nOOb and it is more than likely operator error and I'm certainly open to suggestions.

I have a Linksys Wireless-B, 2.4 GHz, 802.11b Broadband Router. Is it time to get a different router? Is this my problem?

The router is a couple of rooms away. I really don't know how to tell what my connection speed is?

Help!

LeviG
Mar 22, 2007, 06:38 PM
I have a Linksys Wireless-B, 2.4 GHz, 802.11b Broadband Router. Is it time to get a different router? Is this my problem?


802.11b has a max transmission rate of 11Mbits/s, realistic throughput is usually around 5-7Mbits/s so this is going to slow the transmission somewhat.
802.11g has a max transmission of 54Mbit/s - and that will stream quite easily.

zap2
Mar 22, 2007, 06:42 PM
wireless b...that might be your problem...i have g router and thing are working well for me.

G is about 3x B, and N is about 30x then b...for typical usage

Avatar74
Mar 22, 2007, 06:45 PM
OK.....I'll admit that I am a nOOb and it is more than likely operator error and I'm certainly open to suggestions.

I have a Linksys Wireless-B, 2.4 GHz, 802.11b Broadband Router. Is it time to get a different router? Is this my problem?

The router is a couple of rooms away. I really don't know how to tell what my connection speed is?

Help!

Video streaming? Video streaming is not supported with 802.11b.

I have a mediocre 802.11g connection (brick, steel and concrete in this high rise and about 10 other nearby base signals).

Also, I have a G4 933MHz, just under the 1GHz machine that's in the manual's minimum recommendations... and still it streams video flawlessly. I had only one hiccup with a 720p trailer but the trailers are streamed from the net so that could have been a hiccup on my DSL router.

I'm still testing this thing but I have to say I believe once the Apple Stores get the floor demo units going this ridiculously idiot-proof system will be the single device that boosts demand for internet based distribution of a-la carte movies and TV... and Apple will sell a buttload of these.

skinnylegs
Mar 22, 2007, 06:53 PM
802.11b has a max transmission rate of 11Mbits/s, realistic throughput is usually around 5-7Mbits/s so this is going to slow the transmission somewhat.That is the understatement of the year. :mad: When I say slow.....I mean *slow*. There is at least a 10 second lag between the tme I click a track to play it and it actually plays.

Looks like I'm off to Best Buy for a new router!

NicP
Mar 22, 2007, 08:23 PM
Does the computer you are streaming from support (apples pre release) 802.11n (ie a new mac eg core 2 duo macbook)

The apple tv supports n, perhaps you should look at apples new airport extreme (it is a n router) (remember this is a pre release of n so it will only work well with apples n hardware)

michaelsaxon
Mar 22, 2007, 08:48 PM
My Linksys G router is working very well with it. In fact, streaming video has been a breeze as well.

thestaton
Mar 22, 2007, 09:29 PM
for the record I have an all G network and I have no problem streaming anything so far. its awesome. I've been syncing all day, and streaming no problems.

skinnylegs
Mar 22, 2007, 10:29 PM
I just got back from Best Buy with a new Airport Extreme routher (802.11n). Hope this does the trick.

traderx1
Mar 22, 2007, 10:46 PM
i have a older belking 802.11 g router

and i have been streaming movies. music. and even movie trailers from the internet with not problems at all.

Diode
Mar 22, 2007, 10:55 PM
That is the understatement of the year. :mad: When I say slow.....I mean *slow*. There is at least a 10 second lag between the tme I click a track to play it and it actually plays.

Looks like I'm off to Best Buy for a new router!

You need a g card inside your PC as well unless of course its wired to the router with Ethernet.

skinnylegs
Mar 23, 2007, 12:22 AM
Airport Extreme works like a charm. *Huge* difference. Content streams without a stutter. BTW....I guess there is no way to "stream" your photos eh? I'm assuming photos need to be "sync'ed."

imacdaddy
Mar 23, 2007, 12:41 AM
Airport Extreme works like a charm. *Huge* difference. Content streams without a stutter. BTW....I guess there is no way to "stream" your photos eh? I'm assuming photos need to be "sync'ed."

Photos cannot be streamed. How are you finding the :apple: tv?

skinnylegs
Mar 23, 2007, 12:44 AM
Loving it. It does everything I want it to and does so effortlessly. The UI is awesome as well. I really only wanted it for pictures and music but I suppose it's nice being able to stream movies as well.

miTunes75
Mar 23, 2007, 12:51 AM
All this time, I thought that apple TV would connect to your mac wirelessly. I didn't know that I needed a wireless router. I thought that was just for internet.

Please straighten out my confusion.

aristobrat
Mar 23, 2007, 01:59 AM
A wireless router is just a wireless access point with a built-in router.

The Apple TV should work just as well with just a wireless access point.

If you don't have either a wireless router or a wireless access point, then you can connect computers together in something called an ad-hoc network, but I haven't seen any info about the Apple TV working (or not working) with that.

gnasher729
Mar 23, 2007, 04:22 AM
Setup of Apple TV is braindead easy. Great. However......streaming of content is *horndous*. It is soooo slow that it is hardly worth the effort.....even for something as simple as a song.

What the hell are you talking about? Streaming either works or it doesn't. If you stream a five minute song, the computer/Apple TV has five minutes time to do it. 4 minutes 55 seconds is fast enough, 5 minutes 5 seconds is too slow. So what is the problem? Does it work, or doesn't it work?

gnasher729
Mar 23, 2007, 04:27 AM
Photos cannot be streamed.

Which I find is actually quite bad, because I cannot come to your home with a Macbook full of photos and show them on your Apple TV. I think it would also be good if you could stream things from an iPod (either connected to the Apple TV, possiby through the USB port, or connected to any Macintosh in the home).

TBi
Mar 23, 2007, 05:15 AM
It might be worth to edit your first post.

Adding in that your problem was that your router was 802.11b and that you upgraded to a better router which fixed your problem.

That would save people with the same problem having to read the whole thread to find the answer.

Scarpad
Mar 23, 2007, 07:13 AM
Let me preface myself by saying that I am an Apple advocate and this post is *not* intended to ruffle feathers. It is an honest accounting.

Setup of Apple TV is braindead easy. Great. However......streaming of content is *horndous*. It is soooo slow that it is hardly worth the effort.....even for something as simple as a song.

I'm syncing as we speak and I'm *hoping* that this will work well.

Maybe it's something I'm doing or not doing but I am really disappointed with the streaming portion of Apple TV.


Does it have to sync? I mean if I have say 200gb of Content, audio and video, and only a 40gb Hard drive in the Unit why would I want to sync more than maybe a few files to have when the PC is off. Is there no way to turn off syncing?

aristobrat
Mar 23, 2007, 08:18 AM
Does it have to sync? I mean if I have say 200gb of Content, audio and video, and only a 40gb Hard drive in the Unit why would I want to sync more than maybe a few files to have when the PC is off. Is there no way to turn off syncing?
Syncing works exactly like it does with an iPod.

You can turn it off completely, turn it on totally, or control how much of each type of media gets synced.

skinnylegs
Mar 23, 2007, 01:38 PM
Streaming either works or it doesn't.

Not really......

It *worked* with an 802.11b but it was extemely slow and tended to stutter. When I got an updated router (802.11n) it worked flawlessly.

All this time, I thought that apple TV would connect to your mac wirelessly. I didn't know that I needed a wireless router. I thought that was just for internet.

Please straighten out my confusion.[/QUOTE

Apple TV *does* connect wirelessly to your iMac but it requires a wireless network/wireless access point (WAP) to do so.

[QUOTE]Which I find is actually quite bad, because I cannot come to your home with a Macbook full of photos and show them on your Apple TV.

Sure you can. Just hook your MB/MBP directly to my LCD and you can use Front Row. Remember.....Apple TV is not a TV......it is more like a network adapter with a HD if 'ya catch my drift.

It might be worth to edit your first post.

Good suggestion. I will.

Does it have to sync? I mean if I have say 200gb of Content, audio and video, and only a 40gb Hard drive in the Unit why would I want to sync more than maybe a few files to have when the PC is off. Is there no way to turn off syncing?

Check it out....

There are essentially 2 ways you can view content through :apple: TV. You can "sync" with your computer wherin files are actually transfered to the :apple: TV HD *or* you can 'stream" stuff from iTunes to your TV via :apple: TV. So....this is what I have chosen to do. I "sync'd" my music and pictures so that they physically reside on the :apple: TV HD. In terms of movies, TV shows and videos, I stream them. Mind you, I don't plan on watching many movies via :apple: TV. I have Cox Cable digital/HD with a PVR and an HD-DVD player hooked up to my rig so streaming of video content is 'kinda redundant for me. I primarily bought an :apple: TV for viewing pictures and listening to music.

Here is the primary Apple TV window. You will notice down near the bottom it lists "Sources".

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8620/dscf0957ok3.jpg

When you choose sources, this is what the window looks like. If you choose :apple: TV, you will have access to whatever you have "sync'd". If you choose the next option in the list (mine says Stephen Jesser's Music), it will stream *everything* that is in your iTunes library.

http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/9826/dscf0959hr5.jpg

Here is a shot of the window when you choose the streaming option. Notice that photos are not listed because you cannot stream photos.

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/238/dscf0960hv8.jpg

Does that make sense?