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Mar 27, 2007, 10:40 AM
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A Reuters story (http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articlehybrid.aspx?storyID=urn:newsml:reuters.com:20070327:MTFH69461_2007-03-27_14-07-22_N27454351&type=comktNews&rpc=44) reports on comments by AT&T Chief Operating Officer Randall Stephenson during a speech on Tuesday.

While AT&T/Cingular is not accepting pre-orders for the iPhone, they have set up a email signup list (http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/specials/iPhone.jsp?source=IC9801j01R00n300&WT.mc_id=IC9801j01R00n300) to find out when the iPhone is available. During the speech, Stephenson revealed that "one million people have asked us to call when [the iPhone] is available", suggesting a high interest in upcoming Apple phone.

Apple's iPhone is expected to ship in June of 2007.



amac4me
Mar 27, 2007, 10:41 AM
Holy smokes :eek:

The iPhone will further extend the Apple name into the fabric of our everyday lives. The ubiquity of the Apple brand continues to take shape. From comptuer, to iPod, to iTV, and now the iPhone. You'll find an Apple product just about everywhere.

twoodcc
Mar 27, 2007, 10:42 AM
dang, it's gonna be hard to get one at first....i'm hoping to buy mine from an apple store, and not cingular. hopefully i'll be alright getting it, since i already have a cingular phone

samh004
Mar 27, 2007, 10:43 AM
But what was their goal in the first year, 10 million iPhone's to be sold ?

Only 1/10th interest, hmm...

Mgkwho
Mar 27, 2007, 10:43 AM
Inquiries...not preorders. And they want 10 million right?

I really hope they release a lower model, nano-esque, within it's 2008 goal of 10 million units. It sure would help both sides!

No iPhone shuffle for me, though :p .

-=|Mgkwho

Big-TDI-Guy
Mar 27, 2007, 10:43 AM
Make that One Million - And One. :)

Tymmz
Mar 27, 2007, 10:49 AM
if that isn't just a marketing gag.

MacFly123
Mar 27, 2007, 10:52 AM
I think unless restrained by production and availability Apple will SHATTER their goal within 2008. I wouldn't be surprised if there are people trampled everywhere on release day at the stores trying to get their hands on one.

skinnylegs
Mar 27, 2007, 10:52 AM
It seems like Cingular is testing the water and the water is feeling mighty nice and warm! Count me in!

PlaceofDis
Mar 27, 2007, 10:53 AM
if true, this is only people who submitted requests... i'd think that most people don't do such things, so i'd say that interest is high indeed.

Lixivial
Mar 27, 2007, 10:54 AM
Only 1/10th interest, hmm...

In an unscientific and unverifiable "survey" for the first three months of the year. And to say that this is either inclusive or exclusive of all interest is, well, hmm...

skinnylegs
Mar 27, 2007, 10:56 AM
if true, this is only people who submitted requests... i'd think that most people don't do such things, so i'd say that interest is high indeed.Exactly! Take me for instance....I've been jonesing over the iPhone since hearing about it but until I read this thread, I didn't even know the email thingey even existed.

NorCalLights
Mar 27, 2007, 10:57 AM
As if I'll need Cingular to tell me when the iPhone is available... I think you'll have to be living under a rock in a cave on Mars to need notice. Get ready for the advertising storm.

honestimage
Mar 27, 2007, 10:57 AM
snakes on a plane! snakes on a plane!

yzp
Mar 27, 2007, 11:01 AM
Microsoft go very owned....

Remember? Ballmer were laughing at a 450$ phone..... Now who's laughing?

HAHAHA --> I am...... MS however might be crying!!

O W N E D

Clive At Five
Mar 27, 2007, 11:03 AM
snakes on a plane! snakes on a plane!

WTF?

Anyway, I think that 1M is a good sign this early (3 months in). Think of the number of Apple Store inquiries and all the people, like us, who are aware and know better than to ask "when."

-Clive

spicyapple
Mar 27, 2007, 11:05 AM
It's really painful waiting. I liked it better when Apple held product unveilings to the last minute.

WTF?Sigh. March 2007 newbsies. :)

aricher
Mar 27, 2007, 11:07 AM
I submitted a request on that site awhile ago. I also put my name on a handwritten list at my local Cingular store. I was in the store a week ago and they now have a couple hundred signatures.

emotion
Mar 27, 2007, 11:12 AM
In the US Apple might be lucky enough to sell a lot of these but without 3G (HSDPA) the iPhone will bomb in Europe and Asia.

I hope Apple address the market's needs.

jimN
Mar 27, 2007, 11:14 AM
But what was their goal in the first year, 10 million iPhone's to be sold ?

Only 1/10th interest, hmm...

The goal was to sell 10million in 2008, after the phone is on international release. I think that this is achievable but obviously only time will tell. It wouldn't surprise me if the iphone specs on release are higher than first stated and that we'll see marked reductions in price over the first eighteen months.

markfc
Mar 27, 2007, 11:17 AM
In the US Apple might be lucky enough to sell a lot of these but without 3G (HSDPA) the iPhone will bomb in Europe and Asia.

I hope Apple address the market's needs.


I don't care for 3G, the iPhone will be perfect for me.

nickane
Mar 27, 2007, 11:18 AM
Yes, this does indeed mean that being limited to one carrier and lacking 3G support isn't going to stop the iphone from SHATTERING the 10 million target, provided the product doesn't generate any negative buzz upon release. 1 million ppl asking Cingular alone for information that any sensible person could glean online without too much trouble, effectively means that Apple will likely ship 10 million before 2008 even begins.

That ought to keep the share price buoyant long enough to distract people from the fact that Apple don't seem to be making computers anymore until the damn thing finally comes out.

Markleshark
Mar 27, 2007, 11:20 AM
I don't want one, but its nice to hear those figures. :)

Good Luck Apple, just don't forget us folks that have your computers. ;)

Clive At Five
Mar 27, 2007, 11:22 AM
It's really painful waiting. I liked it better when Apple held product unveilings to the last minute.

Sigh. March 2007 newbsies. :)

I don't think I'd call myself a "newbsie"... I probably read through over half of all page 1 forum posts for the past 8 months... or at least since SOAP was in theaters...

Am I missing something?

-Clive

Avatar74
Mar 27, 2007, 11:23 AM
In the US Apple might be lucky enough to sell a lot of these but without 3G (HSDPA) the iPhone will bomb in Europe and Asia.

I hope Apple address the market's needs.

As I understand it, the phone isn't being introduced to those markets until 2008 and will roll out with HSDPA.

Apple's analysts, competitive intelligence specialists and product people have access to market demographics research well before you and I read about it on the internet after it's released from the same research firms that provided it to companies like Apple first... i.e. they knew well before you and I that they'd bomb in those markets without 3G.

nickane
Mar 27, 2007, 11:26 AM
I don't think I'd call myself a "newbsie"... I probably read through over half of all page 1 forum posts for the past 8 months... or at least since SOAP was in theaters...

Am I missing something?

-Clive

Yeah, I thought he was having a dig at you too, even though your join date is 2 years before his. I think he meant honestimage (and his successor, also of March 2007 join date, who talks of Microsoft "getting owned" - shudder) who made the SOAP comment in the first place.

I don't really get it either, so don't worry.

esaleris
Mar 27, 2007, 11:27 AM
I think that million people will decline in number, once they see how much their plans are and how much the up-front costs are in comparison.

kevinoneill
Mar 27, 2007, 11:27 AM
Dobule check me, the iPone doesn't yet have video recording does it? That's a big down if it doesn't. I'm sure it will very soon though. It's got a camera though right? or does it...?

ortuno2k
Mar 27, 2007, 11:27 AM
I'm sooo sick and tired of all this iPhone rant.:mad: Go ahead, flame me.

TheManOfSilver
Mar 27, 2007, 11:34 AM
Lord knows they have to do something to keep stoking the buzz fires when you pre-announce a product 6 months early, then have to watch as all of your competitors hit the market with their sexy new mobiles.

Mgkwho
Mar 27, 2007, 11:43 AM
I don't think I'd call myself a "newbsie"... I probably read through over half of all page 1 forum posts for the past 8 months... or at least since SOAP was in theaters...

Am I missing something?

-Clive

spicy apple was talking about the snakes on the plane post you quoted by honestimage, trying to comfort your confusion with pity. If it was pity.

-=|Mgkwho

princealfie
Mar 27, 2007, 11:44 AM
Dang it, I'm going broke the way that apple keeps on releasing so much... I'm still trying to play catch up with getting that hifi! :D

Doctor Q
Mar 27, 2007, 11:46 AM
I doubt that one million email addresses equates to one million interested buyers. But I'm one of the million, and I'm interested! :)

jk8311
Mar 27, 2007, 11:48 AM
Dang it, I'm going broke the way that apple keeps on releasing so much... I'm still trying to play catch up with getting that hifi! :D

Christ - you bought the HiFi? Certainly not an Apple product worth going broke over...

Rocketman
Mar 27, 2007, 11:59 AM
For those folks who are fixated on particular cellular protocols, forget it. This is a device that defaults to wifi, not cellular. Cellular is to "fill in the holes". Yes in europe iPhone will have some sort of GSM. But europe is far more poppulation dense and far more internet deployed than the USA.

Soon wimax will entirely replace cellular. Just as digital TV and IPTV will entirely replace over-the-air TV. Shocking considering most of us have lived with broadcast TV literally all our lives. Except us oldsters :)

As for the sign-up of a million, remember Steevie said his goal was 1 million handsets in the first 18 months. It seems his goal was UPOD :)

Halo effect?

Rocketman

yzp
Mar 27, 2007, 12:00 PM
I doubt that one million email addresses equates to one million interested buyers.

Probably not, however, it's a freaking lot!

nagromme
Mar 27, 2007, 12:03 PM
Not all of the million will buy. But on the other hand... a LOT of people will buy who did NOT sign up to be called. A lot more than that million are at least "interested" already, and a whole sea of people are barely even aware the thing exists--but they will be interested once it's out there. Then it will grow into more models at more price levels, and will reach other countries and other network types. This will be a big seller, I'd say :)

But I find this very hard to believe:

"One million people have asked us to call when this phone is available," Stephenson said during a keynote speech at the CTIA wireless technology conference. "Six hundred thousand of them asked to be called while they're trying to eat dinner. Another three hundred thousand wished to be called and greeted with dead silence."

:confused:

Mgkwho
Mar 27, 2007, 12:06 PM
"One million people have asked us to call when this phone is available," Stephenson said during a keynote speech at the CTIA wireless technology conference. "Six hundred thousand of them asked to be called while they're trying to eat dinner. Another three hundred thousand wished to be called and greeted with dead silence."

:confused:

The allusion to telemarketers. They call while you're eating, and half the time don't even say anything for a few moments so you think no one is there! But that leaves 100,000. Maybe 10% actually talk to telemarketers?

In other news...anyone notice Apple's stock lately? It's 96.36 right now. What was the all time high in Dec 06? 97 something?

-=|Mgkwho

MacFly123
Mar 27, 2007, 12:10 PM
The Absolute Only Reason I Won't Get An Iphone Is Because You Can Only Get 8 Gb :( So I Have To Wait For The Second Generation, Then I'll Buy It In A Split Second And Ditch My Ipod! :( Until then, the widescreen iPod will do, but I'll still have 2 gadgets in my pocket instead of just one :(

Clive At Five
Mar 27, 2007, 12:13 PM
spicy apple was talking about the snakes on the plane post you quoted by honestimage, trying to comfort your confusion with pity. If it was pity.

-=|Mgkwho

oh oh oh oh oh. The "SOAP SOAP!" guy is a March 2007 "Newbsie."

Confusion relinquished.

And for something barely relevant, "iPhone iPhone, you're our man, if you can't do it, no one can!"

-Clive

yagran
Mar 27, 2007, 12:16 PM
In the US Apple might be lucky enough to sell a lot of these but without 3G (HSDPA) the iPhone will bomb in Europe and Asia.

I hope Apple address the market's needs.

i live in the uk and i can really say that the people buying this will not be business men etc who need mega fast internet access on a phone. ill be lil rich boys like me :D and i couldnt give a crap if its slow at browsing stupid internet on the go. im buying it for a phone and the ipod. listen to the keynote again when he says "a breakthrough internet communicator", no one actually cares about that part in comparison. plus i HATE 3G in general, in the uk that means vodafone or hree really, and they are GOD DAMN AWEFUL for signal and price. so no thanx, you can take 3G and shove it up your arse

elppa
Mar 27, 2007, 12:16 PM
Product awareness in the UK is pretty amazing seeing as it won't be appearing for 8-9 months. I have heard many people mention the product from all walks of life.

Probably being on the front page of The Times helped that a bit.

nagromme
Mar 27, 2007, 12:16 PM
The Absolute Only Reason I Won't Get An Iphone Is Because You Can Only Get 8 Gb :( So I Have To Wait For The Second Generation, Then I'll Buy It In A Split Second And Ditch My Ipod! :( Until then, the widescreen iPod will do, but I'll still have 2 gadgets in my pocket instead of just one :(

8 GB--or even 4--is surprisingly usable, if you set iTunes smart playlists to keep rotating your music through: you can have your favorite and recently-added music (and a few TV eps or movies) always present, while the ENTIRE rest of your library rotates through automatically when you synch--so that anything might come up in shuffle, while your favorites are never missing.

That said, more storage is always good, and flash prices are dropping. I think I'll wait for 16-32 myself :) And 3G, just for future-proofing--even though I'd use WiFi hotspots as well.

I do definitely care about the Internet functions: Google maps on the go? That beats my atlas! Email and Web? My freedom during work hours will get a lot nicer!

briangrapes
Mar 27, 2007, 12:19 PM
Yeah, I thought he was having a dig at you too, even though your join date is 2 years before his. I think he meant honestimage (and his successor, also of March 2007 join date, who talks of Microsoft "getting owned" - shudder) who made the SOAP comment in the first place.

I don't really get it either, so don't worry.
Why are people always picking on others at these forums? I believe the original poster was saying that curiosity has driven much of the hype around the iPhone, much like what happened with Snakes on a Plane. Even if the phone is crap, it will still bring in the big bucks, and this article indicates how high the interest already is. The reply made sense to me.

puckhead193
Mar 27, 2007, 12:21 PM
i'm one of those 1 million...I can't wait, i already told the 'rent what to get me for my b-day :D

Konradx
Mar 27, 2007, 12:24 PM
How many people asked when the Zune comes out? Is it out yet?

pgwalsh
Mar 27, 2007, 12:27 PM
I think that million people will decline in number, once they see how much their plans are and how much the up-front costs are in comparison.

You've seen the call plans? I had no idea they were released.

I certainly plan on buying the iPhone. From the various "short" hands-on reviews, I think it's going to be very popular. I also think Apple will get close to hitting their target. Almost every forum I've been on and nearly every person I've spoken too besides my parents, whom don't even use a computer, are at least interested in seeing the device. That's really really good for Apple.

Maccus Aurelius
Mar 27, 2007, 12:27 PM
The Absolute Only Reason I Won't Get An Iphone Is Because You Can Only Get 8 Gb :( So I Have To Wait For The Second Generation, Then I'll Buy It In A Split Second And Ditch My Ipod! :( Until then, the widescreen iPod will do, but I'll still have 2 gadgets in my pocket instead of just one :(

Not sure if this makes a difference at all, but there is a 4GB model.

I'd love to see a proper candybar form factor phone with maybe 2GB of storage on hand for pictures and files and for less of a premium. The iPhone is just too much for my tastes, so a smaller alternative would more likely strike my fancy, and replace my over-the-hill Ericsson T610.

surferfromuk
Mar 27, 2007, 12:28 PM
"One million people have asked us to call when this phone is available," Stephenson said during a keynote speech at the CTIA wireless technology conference. "Six hundred thousand of them asked to be called while they're trying to eat dinner. Another three hundred thousand wished to be called and greeted with dead silence."

:confused:

Is this true or was this meant to be funny??

what was left out....

Stephenson added, 'a further 400,000 asked to be called during lovemaking and to have the words 'ooohh Apple iphone' whispered erotically into their ears' at the 'point of no return' ( ahem). Stephenson declined to confirm if this popular service would be chargable or included in any future tariff.

MacFly123
Mar 27, 2007, 12:30 PM
Not sure if this makes a difference at all, but there is a 4GB model.

I'd love to see a proper candybar form factor phone with maybe 2GB of storage on hand for pictures and files and for less of a premium. The iPhone is just too much for my tastes, so a smaller alternative would more likely strike my fancy, and replace my over-the-hill Ericsson T610.

I am wanting at least 15GB to replace my video iPod with, that 32GB flash drive thats out now would be even better ;)

Maccus Aurelius
Mar 27, 2007, 12:33 PM
Eh, I won't care until at least 80 is out, and that won't be for a while.

EagerDragon
Mar 27, 2007, 12:33 PM
Count me out, I will sit this one and wait until there are additional features like bigger mem, 3G and the number of apps goes up. In my case I rather wait, no need for me to be at front of the line.

Beta testers line up, I will wait this one out.

EagerDragon
Mar 27, 2007, 12:36 PM
How many people asked when the Zune comes out? Is it out yet?

Yes it is out, all 12 Microsoft employees got their Zune and 9 of them are not recommending it to their friends.

pederg
Mar 27, 2007, 12:37 PM
As I understand it, the phone isn't being introduced to those markets until 2008

fall 07 actually

iW00t
Mar 27, 2007, 12:52 PM
I think unless restrained by production and availability Apple will SHATTER their goal within 2008. I wouldn't be surprised if there are people trampled everywhere on release day at the stores trying to get their hands on one.

Pretty much like what happens with the PS3. Geez I have been trying to get one since they are launched, yet on the other hand I see mountains of Wiis everywhere.

People care only about cheap, period.

nickane
Mar 27, 2007, 12:52 PM
Why are people always picking on others at these forums? I believe the original poster was saying that curiosity has driven much of the hype around the iPhone, much like what happened with Snakes on a Plane. Even if the phone is crap, it will still bring in the big bucks, and this article indicates how high the interest already is. The reply made sense to me.

I didn't pick on him, I picked on the guy who said the article meant that "Microsoft got owned", cos that kind of comment makes all Mac users look childish and smug (like when ppl spell it Micro$oft even though Gates is so charitable). I just said I didn't get the SOAP reference either. Some ppl say SOAP bombed, some say the hype about how bad it was made it a hit. Sure, the negative publicity probably let it do better than it otherwise would have, but it only made a bit more than its production budget back at the box office, which means it wouldn't have gone into profit until DVD and TV sales. So it was neither turkey nor hit. With the iphone poised to either be the next ipod or the next Newton, I didn't get what honestimage was saying about its chances, sorry.

briangrapes
Mar 27, 2007, 01:06 PM
Fair enough, nickane.

Anyway, the hype certainly has me excited. I would love to have an iPhone, but it's going to take a miracle for me to be able to afford one. :)

Clive At Five
Mar 27, 2007, 01:07 PM
Why are people always picking on others at these forums? I believe the original poster was saying that curiosity has driven much of the hype around the iPhone, much like what happened with Snakes on a Plane. Even if the phone is crap, it will still bring in the big bucks, and this article indicates how high the interest already is. The reply made sense to me.

Now that makes sense. I saw SOAP and it was everything I hoped it would be. That's not necessarily a compliment.

-Clive

Cinch
Mar 27, 2007, 01:08 PM
Pretty much like what happens with the PS3. Geez I have been trying to get one since they are launched, yet on the other hand I see mountains of Wiis everywhere.

People care only about cheap, period.

The logic of your post seems a bit confusing here.

If the Nintendo Wii is cheap then there should be "mountains of Wiis everywhere"?

you have to clarify

Cinch

nagromme
Mar 27, 2007, 01:11 PM
It occurs to me that these inquiries come from a certain subset of those who are interested in the iPhone: those who know it will offered from AT&T (which your average consumer who say the ads does not know), and who would think to sign up for iPhone info FROM AT&T instead of, say, from Apple.

I can only imagine how many people signed up on Apple's own iPhone mailing list.

rish
Mar 27, 2007, 01:14 PM
You guys itching to get your hands on one! It's worse for me. I'm in the UK and I cannot bare the wait. It's like someone is taking a hammer to my gonads reminding me of the pain to ditch my Sony Ericsson K750i. Arrrgh. It hurts too much. I'm conteplating a move to the US but that will fail as your Homeland Security will ship my arse back to the UK. I've no damn choice. I wish they would say here it is and you can get it right after my keynote. Jobs knows how to play the crowd, but Steve why have you forsaken me, October 07, I can't wait that long!

Sob sob, if only it was October now.

50548
Mar 27, 2007, 01:14 PM
Microsoft go very owned....

Remember? Ballmer were laughing at a 450$ phone..... Now who's laughing?

HAHAHA --> I am...... MS however might be crying!!

O W N E D

Any PC fanboy still around here to say that the iPhone will totally flop? Thanks very much...:rolleyes:

johnee
Mar 27, 2007, 01:25 PM
I don't want one.... Good Luck Apple, just don't forget us folks that have your computers. ;)

EXACTLY!

nickane
Mar 27, 2007, 01:27 PM
The logic of your post seems a bit confusing here.

If the Nintendo Wii is cheap then there should be "mountains of Wiis everywhere"?

you have to clarify

Cinch

The first half is sarcastic, but the conclusion isn't. The wii is cheaper, so it's selling out, whereas the ps3 isn't. In lieu of the heavily successful (yet not sell-out) Europe launch, though, it has to be said that Sony obviously wants supply to exceed demand, otherwise all the Bluray early adopters would be too frustrated with looking for a PS3 to bother making the saving, and would just buy a $1000 standalone player. That said, given that its selling out with double the supply, the wii does go some way to proving iW00t's point about the public clamour for cheapness. But I'm sure the motion sensitive controllers don't hurt either, and I seem to remember from the keynote that the iphone has a pretty cool UI of its own... let's just hope it works.


I can only imagine how many people signed up on Apple's own iPhone mailing list.

And how many did so asking for the umpteenth time if they would REALLY have to use Cingular to own one...? ;)

nagromme
Mar 27, 2007, 01:34 PM
They'll say it DID flop long after it sells its second million :o

It will scratch just like every other non-magical handheld device, and the press will scream "iPhone plagued by catastrophic gouges!!!" Some software bugs will be found, just like every other handheld, and even after they are fixed, the cry will echo through the ages: "iPhone is buggy and sometimes shows photos backwards!!!!" ... and still it will sell somehow :)

One good thing: I like to let early adopters catch any issues (sometimes even hardware issues) before I buy. (This is not an Apple issue as some claim--ANY new product faces that, from cars to Dell displays.) The iPhone will get a LOT of early adopters really fast, so mini-revisions (undocumented even) might not be long in coming :)

EXACTLY!

I wonder, does anyone have evidence to suggest that Apple has reduced their staffing of Mac and OS X projects in order to staff other projects? Or evidence to suggest that Apple's non-Mac projects are money-losers, taking R&D money out of Apple's pockets?

It's a popular myth these days that Apple must do less Mac R&D if they have other projects too. (Or maybe that they DO develop Mac stuff, but "forget" to release it?) I'm not just not convinced of that logic :)

huntercr
Mar 27, 2007, 01:35 PM
For those of you who keep thinking this is somehow a sign of lower interest, consider this:

1) When was the last time you heard of anyone calling a company to see if they would get notified when a phone comes out? RAZR maybe. maybe. otherwise... never.

2) What percentage of total interest is this sample representing? Do an informal survey yourself... find people who want to buy the phone and then ask how many called AT&T. I bet its a really low percentage.

3) Its unscientific by nature, but also consider AT&T marketers must think it's significant otherwise they wouldn't brag about it during a press conference.

dante@sisna.com
Mar 27, 2007, 01:39 PM
But what was their goal in the first year, 10 million iPhone's to be sold ?

Only 1/10th interest, hmm...

As I do marketing to butter my bread, so to speak, I can tell you from experience that there's a huge difference between those that join a mailing list and actual demand.

That is an amazing number, one million, One -Tenth the interest is a FANTASTIC predicter of 10 million for sure.

Not all of the million will buy. But on the other hand... a LOT of people will buy who did NOT sign up to be called. A lot more than that million are at least "interested" already, and a whole sea of people are barely even aware the thing exists--but they will be interested once it's out there. Then it will grow into more models at more price levels, and will reach other countries and other network types. This will be a big seller, I'd say :)

But I find this very hard to believe:

"One million people have asked us to call when this phone is available," Stephenson said during a keynote speech at the CTIA wireless technology conference. "Six hundred thousand of them asked to be called while they're trying to eat dinner. Another three hundred thousand wished to be called and greeted with dead silence."

:confused:

The article says it was an email signup list -- I am on it so I can vouch for this. I think he was using the world "Call" metaphorically.

Count me out, I will sit this one and wait until there are additional features like bigger mem, 3G and the number of apps goes up. In my case I rather wait, no need for me to be at front of the line.

Beta testers line up, I will wait this one out.

I wil happily beta-test the iPhone: then I'll sell it and buy Gen2, and so on.

Hunabku
Mar 27, 2007, 01:54 PM
I read the post about making 8 gigs work by using a smartlist for rotating songs (including favs and randoms) Which is good idea but 8 gigs is still not enough for me.

Now the tough decision, my sister promised me an iPhone for converting her office to macintoshes. Should I hold off till november, when my contract with verizon runs out or do it in June and pay the fee for breaking my verizon contract. Also in November perhaps apple will be releasing version G2 iphone with 16/32 gigs.

Come on apple suprise us by uping the storage 8/16 on the June release.

surferfromuk
Mar 27, 2007, 02:20 PM
I wonder, does anyone have evidence to suggest that Apple has reduced their staffing of Mac and OS X projects in order to staff other projects? Or evidence to suggest that Apple's non-Mac projects are money-losers, taking R&D money out of Apple's pockets?



I wouldn't worry about this. In Apple's entire history the mac line up has never been better, stronger or more focused. They're competitive on so many levels now. It used to be a decade ago that 'the mac advantage' carried a ludicrous premium and sort of 'left you out on a limb' but now you get faster, elegant, reliable, and just all round so much BETTER for virtually the same amount of money.

What I really don't understand is what is still compelling at least 20% of the other 96% of computer buyers to intentionally choose NOT to buy Apple...

You know that's like standing in a movie theatre and the exact same movie is playing on two screens...only on each screen the same movie has been made by a different director...

On Screen one the movie is directed by Steven Spielberg with FX by Dreamworks on screen two it's directed by Terry Benson Snr the Third with FX by gimp0vision.

Everybody knows Terry Benson's movies are 'watchable but nothing amazing' - he's yet to make a really great movie! Spielbergs reputation is second to none, known globally as a visionary and yet there are 96 people queuing for Benson on screen two and only 4 for Spielberg on screen one.

So what it is ? What's stopping Apple breaking through to mainstream??

Hopefully, iPhone will really be the ultimate halo which will bring a few dozen million people over to get to the 'cool, fun, happy side of the fence!!

JGowan
Mar 27, 2007, 02:25 PM
Curiosity = $$$? > snakes on a plane! snakes on a plane!Congratulations on your first post here on Macrumors.com!

floatingspirit
Mar 27, 2007, 02:30 PM
Exactly! Take me for instance....I've been jonesing over the iPhone since hearing about it but until I read this thread, I didn't even know the email thingey even existed.

You can't be jonesing that hard if you weren't driven to sniff that out! :)

nagromme
Mar 27, 2007, 02:34 PM
I agree--Macs aren't harmed at all by the iPhone. In fact, OS X usage will grow as Apple gains customers, which means the iPhone will HELP the Mac platform--in more ways than just bringing in cash and press attention. Mindshare is vital, and the iPhone shares the "ease of use" factor with Macs and iPods.

What I really don't understand is what is still compelling at least 20% of the other 96% of computer buyers to intentionally choose NOT to buy Apple...

O/T, but the biggest reason, I think (speaking of the masses, not the tech-savvy):

They are afraid of Macs because they have problems with Windows.

This makes a kind of sense. They do HEAR that Macs are simpler (mixed with lots of FUD). However, they KNOW first hand that computers are a pain. What they KNOW matters most. So if computers they are familiar with (meaning Windows) are a pain, then an UNKNOWN computer would be worse! They think a Mac WOULD cause them problems beause they don't understand that using a computer doesn't have to be as bad as their experience.

Two supporting reasons: fear of the unknown and of learning something new (not all that different, but that's the fear). And herd mentality: they don't know WHY everyone uses Windows, but they figure there must be SOME reason, so better stick with the crowd "just because."

And they're not all that conscious of their own reasons. They line up to buy another Windows machine without even considering that anything else is worth a look. (In this regard, the Mac ads on TV may be very useful.)

surferfromuk
Mar 27, 2007, 02:50 PM
They are afraid of Macs because they have problems with Windows.



Wow - that is one incredible insight!!. You know, I really think you have it.
Apple come see this...it's the answer to the mystery...Brilliant!...:)

The irony is both hilarious and tragic!.

Let's hope that maybe they are starting to come round...

scrambledwonder
Mar 27, 2007, 02:58 PM
i'm one of those 1 million...I can't wait, i already told the 'rent what to get me for my b-day :D

Lucky dog. . . I'll be lucky if I get a birthday cake this year!

uNext
Mar 27, 2007, 03:05 PM
And the blackberrys treo's htc generate how much inquirys per release?

come on 1 million is not even 1% in the mobile market and people are already saying stuff like ohh just wait etc.

Yeah just wait till people really se how crippled this phone is.

And people hate microsoft because???????

lazyrighteye
Mar 27, 2007, 03:06 PM
I think that million people will decline in number, once they see how much their plans are and how much the up-front costs are in comparison.

Agreed.
It's no secret that we're ALL waiting to see how at&t comes at this with regards to pricing. I'm afraid they are going to price this out of my league.

I mean, a $500 phone + $70 calling plan + $80 data plan + $250 to break my VZW contract = tough sell for me as well as a LOT of others who consider themselves 'interested.'

Why do I have this feeling at&t is going to mess this up?

Mac Fly (film)
Mar 27, 2007, 03:32 PM
Holy smokes :eek:

The iPhone will further extend the Apple name into the fabric of our everyday lives. The ubiquity of the Apple brand continues to take shape. From comptuer, to iPod, to iTV, and now the iPhone. You'll find an Apple product just about everywhere.

Yeah, and expect Apple branded TV's by early next year too.

Sabon
Mar 27, 2007, 03:36 PM
I didn't pick on him, I picked on the guy who said the article meant that "Microsoft got owned", cos that kind of comment makes all Mac users look childish and smug (like when ppl spell it Micro$oft even though Gates is so charitable). I just said I didn't get the SOAP reference either. Some ppl say SOAP bombed, some say the hype about how bad it was made it a hit. Sure, the negative publicity probably let it do better than it otherwise would have, but it only made a bit more than its production budget back at the box office, which means it wouldn't have gone into profit until DVD and TV sales. So it was neither turkey nor hit. With the iphone poised to either be the next ipod or the next Newton, I didn't get what honestimage was saying about its chances, sorry.

He doesn't care about Charity. He's buying himself a place in history.

psychofreak
Mar 27, 2007, 03:39 PM
He doesn't care about Charity. He's buying himself a place in history.

3 points:

1. You're right, but if my life was saved, I would not care how vain the reasons for my charity were...

2. If you don't want one, leave the 'Title' box empty, it can get confusing

3. Your website doesn't work...

dante@sisna.com
Mar 27, 2007, 03:45 PM
And the blackberrys treo's htc generate how much inquirys per release?

come on 1 million is not even 1% in the mobile market and people are already saying stuff like ohh just wait etc.

Yeah just wait till people really se how crippled this phone is.

And people hate microsoft because???????


Blackberry does NOT make the Treo, palm does -- I have one and it is a meger attempt at a well-built phone.

I also have the new Blackberry Perl -- Brand new device -- it is okay, but you want to talk limited? It is.

Just wait until how functional the iPhone is.:o

MattyMac
Mar 27, 2007, 03:46 PM
If I have to camp out for an iPhone...I will be verrrrrrrrry angry.

Sabon
Mar 27, 2007, 03:50 PM
3 points:

1. You're right, but if my life was saved, I would not care how vain the reasons for my charity were...

2. If you don't want one, leave the 'Title' box empty, it can get confusing

3. Your website doesn't work...

1. I'm one of those people that would.

2. I thought the title made my post clear. Apparently I was wrong.

3. My link for my website is working again.

surferfromuk
Mar 27, 2007, 04:07 PM
Yeah, and expect Apple branded TV's by early next year too.

oohh...Please - do it!!!. This is one Apple product I would place a pre-order without even seeing it or knowing how much it would cost!

Mac Fly (film)
Mar 27, 2007, 04:08 PM
Product awareness in the UK is pretty amazing seeing as it won't be appearing for 8-9 months. I have heard many people mention the product from all walks of life.

Probably being on the front page of The Times helped that a bit.

If it's any conciliation it's only 7 months away :eek:

Clive At Five
Mar 27, 2007, 04:14 PM
oohh...Please - do it!!!. This is one Apple product I would place a pre-order without even seeing it or knowing how much it would cost!

Why? What can Apple do to a tv that others can't/haven't? And don't even say "integrate :apple:tv" because that would be pointless. It's already a tiny box, simple to hook up, and would add unnecessary price to the TV unit.

And could you even imagine what type of remote Apple would come up with for the thing? Let's click down through 64 channels when I could just hit three buttons and be done with it. APPLE, WHY, OH, WHY have you not implemented "scroll-wheel" technology into your remotes?! It would make traversing miles of artists in FrontRow MUCH quicker.

Fools.

-Clive

CoreWeb
Mar 27, 2007, 04:15 PM
oohh...Please - do it!!!. This is one Apple product I would place a pre-order without even seeing it or knowing how much it would cost!

A friend of a friend of mine's cousin's niece's friend - twice removed - said that the Apple TV (not the AppleTV, but the Apple TV) will try to maintain Apple's simple elegance by showing video black and white - but to call it such is hardly fair; it is the BEST black and white anyone will ever have seen!

Why? What can Apple do to a tv that others can't/haven't? And don't even say "integrate :apple:tv" because that would be pointless. It's already a tiny box, simple to hook up, and would add unnecessary price to the TV unit.

And could you even imagine what type of remote Apple would come up with for the thing? Let's click down through 64 channels when I could just hit three buttons and be done with it. APPLE, WHY, OH, WHY have you not implemented "scroll-wheel" technology into your remotes?! It would make traversing miles of artists in FrontRow MUCH quicker.

Fools.

-Clive

A scroll-wheel Apple remote would be very nice indeed! :D

Rocketman
Mar 27, 2007, 04:27 PM
Wow - that is one incredible insight!!. You know, I really think you have it.
Apple come see this...it's the answer to the mystery...Brilliant!...:)

The irony is both hilarious and tragic!.

Let's hope that maybe they are starting to come round...

That theme should be a commercial :)

Mac Fly (film)
Mar 27, 2007, 04:38 PM
oohh...Please - do it!!!. This is one Apple product I would place a pre-order without even seeing it or knowing how much it would cost!

Here's a post I made on another forum a while back, you might like it:


"I have a strong feeling that Apple is working on the developement of a TV, and I don't mean AppleTV (as in the box), I mean an actual Apple Inc. Television. Call the feeling a hunch, but I know a lot of people including me who are frustrated by a lot of things when it comes to TV's and home entertainment systems nowadays. One being the fact that we have so many remotes, it ridiculous, and two we've too many boxes, far too many boxes, all of which have terrible software interfaces.

Apple needs to make an all-in-one TV that can in one fell swoop replace all those remotes, our TV, our DVD player, the AppleTV box, our VCR and our Satallite Digital Cable Boxes. Think of it, one sexy Apple Television that does it all, wow!

Here's my suggestions to Apple Inc. for the tech specs of an Apple Television;

1. Black
2. Thin
3. Sexy
4. 120GB internal Hard drive (Build to order option for 250GB or 500GB)
5. Apple TV Edition Remote (Black)
6. 24Watt internal speakers
7. Side load slot regular format DVD drive (If you want HD DVD buy a player, if you want BD buy a PS3)
8. Plasma (kicks the living crap out of LCD in every repect, OLED and SED aren't ready yet)
9. Stand that can rotate.
10. 802.11(all)
11. 1080p
12. Two HDMI ports.
13. Two USB ports.
14. At least one SCART port.
15. Analogue and digital audio etc.
16. Apple TV-esque interface.

Add an iTunes iPTV Show subscription service with some live content for news and sport - then Apple has the digital living room sewn up. One TV that does it all. Not only would that make Apple happy, but more importantly it would also make me - the customer - happy too.

GET ON IT APPLE!!

A cool additional feature would be; A small hidden magnet on the side of the TV - like the iMac has, but the difference here would be, when the remote is removed from this magnet the TV automatically turns on, and when the remote is replaced back on the magnet the TV automatically turns off again. (A manual physical power button could be placed on the TV and the remote too)"

GanleyBurger
Mar 27, 2007, 04:40 PM
For $599, the thing should have nothing short of 40 gigs of memory (for the photos, music, etc.), at least a 5.0 megapixel camera, and be able to record video clips.;)

I just don't get it. When Jobs said, "It will have a 2 megapixel camera," the crowd went nuts. They should have booed!!!:mad:

nxent
Mar 27, 2007, 04:57 PM
this isn't even including the folks like me who are too lazy to email inquiries in.

surferfromuk
Mar 27, 2007, 05:11 PM
mmmh...what can Apple do in making a TV that other's can't ?

well I think mac fly hit's a lot of bullseyes - I love the idea of the side loading disc, the integrated AppleTV, the mag remote with on/off and a scroll wheel, and above all great style, simplicity and implementation and all the otehr stuff mentioned!. I agree there is a 'lot of mess in the tv corner' that needs cleaning up!

It's beauty would make every other TV in the land pale into insignificance becuase if there is ONE place in the home where style and class is appreciated by both the man and the woman it's the living room!!..

I'd like to see a built in ipod dock and isight camera in the top for 'room to room' conferencing, integrated sound system on a par with the ipod hi-fi, and an 'Apple' class integrated DVR of course with iphone 'internet access' to start it recording 'on the fly' maybe ?? Who else is ever going ot be capable of making a TV like this if not Apple - this is their KILLER APP!!..the TV!! It's the one thing that everyone in the world sits in front of for hours and hours and hours!!The ultimate halo product!!.

plus there's the 'other stuff' - the 'magic' that Apple will think of that we can't...

Wouldn't it be great!!...Come on 'Clive at Five' you must admit if you love TV, you love Apple then it's a marriage made in heaven - If you had to buy an LCD TV you would buy 'the Apple one' , surely ??

EagerDragon
Mar 27, 2007, 05:29 PM
Here's a post I made on another forum a while back, you might like it:


"I have a strong feeling that Apple is working on the developement of a TV, and I don't mean AppleTV (as in the box), I mean an actual Apple Inc. Television. Call the feeling a hunch, but I know a lot of people including me who are frustrated by a lot of things when it comes to TV's and home entertainment systems nowadays. One being the fact that we have so many remotes, it ridiculous, and two we've too many boxes, far too many boxes, all of which have terrible software interfaces.

Apple needs to make an all-in-one TV that can in one fell swoop replace all those remotes, our TV, our DVD player, the AppleTV box, our VCR and our Satallite Digital Cable Boxes. Think of it, one sexy Apple Television that does it all, wow!

Here's my suggestions to Apple Inc. for the tech specs of an Apple Television;

1. Black
2. Thin
3. Sexy
4. 120GB internal Hard drive (Build to order option for 250GB or 500GB)
5. Apple TV Edition Remote (Black)
6. 24Watt internal speakers
7. Side load slot regular format DVD drive (If you want HD DVD buy a player, if you want BD buy a PS3)
8. Plasma (kicks the living crap out of LCD in every repect, OLED and SED aren't ready yet)
9. Stand that can rotate.
10. 802.11(all)
11. 1080p
12. Two HDMI ports.
13. Two USB ports.
14. At least one SCART port.
15. Analogue and digital audio etc.
16. Apple TV-esque interface.

Add an iTunes iPTV Show subscription service with some live content for news and sport - then Apple has the digital living room sewn up. One TV that does it all. Not only would that make Apple happy, but more importantly it would also make me - the customer - happy too.

GET ON IT APPLE!!

A cool additional feature would be; A small hidden magnet on the side of the TV - like the iMac has, but the difference here would be, when the remote is removed from this magnet the TV automatically turns on, and when the remote is replaced back on the magnet the TV automatically turns off again. (A manual physical power button could be placed on the TV and the remote too)"

Sorry but that is not a TV, that is a full fledge computer.

Here is an alternative ...... Add a cablecard interphase to the Apple TV, now you can watch tv and change channels since the cable card is the tuner. Now you can create a DVR also from it. TV with easy user interface and no cable box needed.

How I do?

Avarix
Mar 27, 2007, 05:56 PM
Pretty much like what happens with the PS3. Geez I have been trying to get one since they are launched, yet on the other hand I see mountains of Wiis everywhere.

People care only about cheap, period.

That is just not right. You can get a PS3 multiple places online and all around the philadelphia area. The Wii however is really difficult to get still.

surferfromuk
Mar 27, 2007, 05:57 PM
Sorry but that is not a TV, that is a full fledge computer.

Here is an alternative ...... Add a cablecard interphase to the Apple TV, now you can watch tv and change channels since the cable card is the tuner. Now you can create a DVR also from it. TV with easy user interface and no cable box needed.

How I do?

Yes, your right there is a fully fledged computer in the LCD TV but it's 'not a computer' any more than the current Apple TV is a computer. Nobody wants a 'computer' in place of the TV but to get all this stuff they need computer technologies which is why Apple can make this work better than anyone. Just think of one example - 'quartz zoom' will allow Apple to be about the only company in the world to make a TV you can actually 'web surf' on from 10 feet away and still see the content!...

But back to the TV - the point is everyone has a corner in there house full of junk which could all be elegantly and perfectly replaced by the Apple TV...sticking a DVR card in the back of Apple TV doesn't fix this it just makes it even more messy and complex. The AV complex is ripe for Apple's magic wand to sweep over it!

I agree with mac Fly - I want to replace all of the following with one elegant device ;

1: The TV
2: The DVD
3: The DVR
4: The AV Amp and Speakers (wireless 5.1 would be nice!)
5: The 'net streamer'/media PC etc
6: The Wi-fi router
7: The 10 remotes that drive everyone in the world nuts!
8: The 'Freeview/cable' box
9: The 10 mains plugs for one
10: The mental cable pile that lives behind the AV corner
11: The brutishly hideous complexity of them all
12: The brutish hideous mess and ackward conflicting styling of them all

Wouldn't you like this replaced by a beautiful integrated Apple brand LCD TV ?

This is like lord of the rings all over again 'one remote to rule them all'!! ;-)

MacFly123
Mar 27, 2007, 06:23 PM
I agree--Macs aren't harmed at all by the iPhone. In fact, OS X usage will grow as Apple gains customers, which means the iPhone will HELP the Mac platform--in more ways than just bringing in cash and press attention. Mindshare is vital, and the iPhone shares the "ease of use" factor with Macs and iPods.



O/T, but the biggest reason, I think (speaking of the masses, not the tech-savvy):

They are afraid of Macs because they have problems with Windows.

This makes a kind of sense. They do HEAR that Macs are simpler (mixed with lots of FUD). However, they KNOW first hand that computers are a pain. What they KNOW matters most. So if computers they are familiar with (meaning Windows) are a pain, then an UNKNOWN computer would be worse! They think a Mac WOULD cause them problems beause they don't understand that using a computer doesn't have to be as bad as their experience.

Two supporting reasons: fear of the unknown and of learning something new (not all that different, but that's the fear). And herd mentality: they don't know WHY everyone uses Windows, but they figure there must be SOME reason, so better stick with the crowd "just because."

And they're not all that conscious of their own reasons. They line up to buy another Windows machine without even considering that anything else is worth a look. (In this regard, the Mac ads on TV may be very useful.)

I absolutely agree 1000%, I think you completely nailed it on the head!!!

MacFly123
Mar 27, 2007, 06:43 PM
Here's a post I made on another forum a while back, you might like it:


"I have a strong feeling that Apple is working on the developement of a TV, and I don't mean AppleTV (as in the box), I mean an actual Apple Inc. Television. Call the feeling a hunch, but I know a lot of people including me who are frustrated by a lot of things when it comes to TV's and home entertainment systems nowadays. One being the fact that we have so many remotes, it ridiculous, and two we've too many boxes, far too many boxes, all of which have terrible software interfaces.

Apple needs to make an all-in-one TV that can in one fell swoop replace all those remotes, our TV, our DVD player, the AppleTV box, our VCR and our Satallite Digital Cable Boxes. Think of it, one sexy Apple Television that does it all, wow!

Here's my suggestions to Apple Inc. for the tech specs of an Apple Television;

1. Black
2. Thin
3. Sexy
4. 120GB internal Hard drive (Build to order option for 250GB or 500GB)
5. Apple TV Edition Remote (Black)
6. 24Watt internal speakers
7. Side load slot regular format DVD drive (If you want HD DVD buy a player, if you want BD buy a PS3)
8. Plasma (kicks the living crap out of LCD in every repect, OLED and SED aren't ready yet)
9. Stand that can rotate.
10. 802.11(all)
11. 1080p
12. Two HDMI ports.
13. Two USB ports.
14. At least one SCART port.
15. Analogue and digital audio etc.
16. Apple TV-esque interface.

Add an iTunes iPTV Show subscription service with some live content for news and sport - then Apple has the digital living room sewn up. One TV that does it all. Not only would that make Apple happy, but more importantly it would also make me - the customer - happy too.

GET ON IT APPLE!!

A cool additional feature would be; A small hidden magnet on the side of the TV - like the iMac has, but the difference here would be, when the remote is removed from this magnet the TV automatically turns on, and when the remote is replaced back on the magnet the TV automatically turns off again. (A manual physical power button could be placed on the TV and the remote too)"

Please oh please be true, I'd buy it in a split second, just hope they make a 100" for me ;) oh and what about wifi surround sound speaker??? ;)

Cult Follower
Mar 27, 2007, 06:49 PM
that is a heck of a lot of people and I'm not one of them.

surferfromuk
Mar 27, 2007, 07:08 PM
Please oh please be true, I'd buy it in a split second, just hope they make a 100" for me ;) oh and what about wifi surround sound speaker??? ;)

How about Isight/Iphone call integration - automatically puts the DVR into 'time-lapse' pause record mode! when a call comes in!.

Who else in the WORLD could do this on a TV but Apple ?

theheadguy
Mar 27, 2007, 07:09 PM
That is just not right. You can get a PS3 multiple places online and all around the philadelphia area. The Wii however is really difficult to get still.
Don't worry Avarix, we all know this. The other guy is obviously upset he bought a PS3 on opening day and found he was the only one there to get it. :P

TC2COOL
Mar 27, 2007, 07:45 PM
Pretty much like what happens with the PS3. Geez I have been trying to get one since they are launched, yet on the other hand I see mountains of Wiis everywhere.

People care only about cheap, period.

That's not really accurate. The Wii is popular because it is easy to use and it has great gameplay. The PS3 is a dud because of the lack of quality games.

iPhone will be a hit because the only thing that people care about is ease of use.

EagerDragon
Mar 27, 2007, 08:41 PM
Yes, your right there is a fully fledged computer in the LCD TV but it's 'not a computer' any more than the current Apple TV is a computer. Nobody wants a 'computer' in place of the TV but to get all this stuff they need computer technologies which is why Apple can make this work better than anyone. Just think of one example - 'quartz zoom' will allow Apple to be about the only company in the world to make a TV you can actually 'web surf' on from 10 feet away and still see the content!...

But back to the TV - the point is everyone has a corner in there house full of junk which could all be elegantly and perfectly replaced by the Apple TV...sticking a DVR card in the back of Apple TV doesn't fix this it just makes it even more messy and complex. The AV complex is ripe for Apple's magic wand to sweep over it!

I agree with mac Fly - I want to replace all of the following with one elegant device ;

1: The TV
2: The DVD
3: The DVR
4: The AV Amp and Speakers (wireless 5.1 would be nice!)
5: The 'net streamer'/media PC etc
6: The Wi-fi router
7: The 10 remotes that drive everyone in the world nuts!
8: The 'Freeview/cable' box
9: The 10 mains plugs for one
10: The mental cable pile that lives behind the AV corner
11: The brutishly hideous complexity of them all
12: The brutish hideous mess and ackward conflicting styling of them all

Wouldn't you like this replaced by a beautiful integrated Apple brand LCD TV ?

This is like lord of the rings all over again 'one remote to rule them all'!! ;-)

I agree that a setup like this would replace a lot of stuff, and would probably be nice for a while, but three things worry me:
a) Cost of this investment
b) It replaces a lot of stuff that maybe you could reuse otherwise
c) When the screen starts to look small in a year or two, it is not a separate component, you need to replace it all, meaning a large investment again.

SiliconAddict
Mar 27, 2007, 08:45 PM
don't care. At all. In any way whatsoever. Its Cingular. http://home.comcast.net/~jonnormand/icons/posting.php_files/pukeface2.gif

joelmejiaganan
Mar 27, 2007, 08:56 PM
Oh my god!!!
A Plasma from Apple? This is the best thing that can happen to our living rooms.

Only one device, mounted on the wall.
No cables, just the power cord.
Wifi to conect to your Mac and your iPhone.
The iPhone can be used as your TV remote.
You will ony need one HDMI and one USB, because what else would you want to conect if you will have everything already built in.
Bluetooth for your wireless keyboard when surfing the internet.
A good pair of speakers.
Internal 120Gb HD.
Integration with iTunes Store with automatic purchases of new episodes.
Apple tv-like presentation when wanted.

You readers keep the list growing so Apple can get interested!!!

JMG

EagerDragon
Mar 27, 2007, 09:04 PM
Yea, 1 mil is very low interest, but..... It has not been really adverticed yet, once people start seing their friends with it and how easy it is to use and how cool it looks, the interest is going thru the roof.
IMHO they will meet their 10 to 12 mil.
I will be watching in the side lines waiting for my contract to expire and rev 2 to come out, the full featured one not the el cheapo model.
If im going to get it, I rather get the best model than cry because i did not get all the features.

EagerDragon
Mar 27, 2007, 09:08 PM
For me also it needs to allow me to use the phone as a modem and sync with my comuter via wifi preferably as bluetooth is very slow and wired is a pain to find where I left the stupid cable.

CoreWeb
Mar 27, 2007, 09:11 PM
Yea, 1 mil is very low interest, but..... It has not been really adverticed yet, once people start seing their friends with it and how easy it is to use and how cool it looks, the interest is going thru the roof.
IMHO they will meet their 10 to 12 mil.
I will be watching in the side lines waiting for my contract to expire and rev 2 to come out, the full featured one not the el cheapo model.
If im going to get it, I rather get the best model than cry because i did not get all the features.

It is very fuzzy math though... the interest level is how many people signed up for news on their website. Though I would love to get one, I did not sign up for news? How many other people are like me there? I'd guess the majority, so say over or about ten million might be very interested in it.

Yet, on the other end of the spectrum, how many who have signed up/are interested will actually buy a phone?

So, that number is not useful except in that it gives a general idea that the phone has the potential to be extremely popular. Potential being the key word.

toneloco2881
Mar 27, 2007, 09:11 PM
don't care. At all. In any way whatsoever. Its Cingular. http://home.comcast.net/%7Ejonnormand/icons/posting.php_files/pukeface2.gif
What's wrong with Cingular? I keep hearing people rail on them like their the absolute worst, but I've had experience with all three major carrier's and Cingular is by far the most bearable. Their customer service leaves alot to be desired but I routinely receive service where my family (still on Verizon), and Sprint do not. I'd rather put up with this than the draconian measures Verizon implements with their service, or the billing issues I had with Sprint where I had to call every month. I guess it's all relative? Plus, any self-respecting geek wouldn't have any other service outside a GSM carrier.:)

mambodancer
Mar 27, 2007, 09:12 PM
dang, it's gonna be hard to get one at first....i'm hoping to buy mine from an apple store, and not cingular. hopefully i'll be alright getting it, since i already have a cingular phone

I just recently changed my plan from Qwest to Cingular. I asked about the iPhone and the sales rep told me that everyone is asking about it and all of their reps are wanting one too. This is gonna be hugh. I'm betting this will sell better than the 1G iPod did when it first shipped. Anyone with any numbers on the iPod sales?

EagerDragon
Mar 27, 2007, 09:20 PM
I just recently changed my plan from Qwest to Cingular. I asked about the iPhone and the sales rep told me that everyone is asking about it and all of their reps are wanting one too. This is gonna be hugh. I'm betting this will sell better than the 1G iPod did when it first shipped. Anyone with any numbers on the iPod sales?

I wonder if it is a good idea to switch to cingular before the phone is out.
If I heard correctly, cingular is looking to gain a lot of new customers from its rival and is willing to pay for it. By switching early, you may end up with a lesser package than people coming in fresh from a competitor because of the phone.

biturbomunkie
Mar 27, 2007, 09:29 PM
ummm... one million inquiries... is this propaganda or some drama stuff so folks wouldn't forget about the iphone while other awesome phones are actually being released?

one million? i sure hope they didn't use the bush-science approach with their statistics...

biturbomunkie
Mar 27, 2007, 09:30 PM
What's wrong with Cingular? I keep hearing people rail on them like their the absolute worst, but I've had experience with all three major carrier's and Cingular is by far the most bearable. Their customer service leaves alot to be desired but I routinely receive service where my family (still on Verizon), and Sprint do not. I'd rather put up with this than the draconian measures Verizon implements with their service, or the billing issues I had with Sprint where I had to call every month. I guess it's all relative? Plus, any self-respecting geek wouldn't have any other service outside a GSM carrier.:)

enjoy (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/06/21/BUG9VJHB9C1.DTL&hw=at&sn=002&sc=870)

jamericani
Mar 27, 2007, 09:41 PM
enjoy (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/06/21/BUG9VJHB9C1.DTL&hw=at&sn=002&sc=870)

One more stripe closer to wearing a prison suit all day.

Mac Fly (film)
Mar 27, 2007, 09:57 PM
Oh my god!!!
A Plasma from Apple? This is the best thing that can happen to our living rooms.

Only one device, mounted on the wall.
No cables, just the power cord.
Wifi to conect to your Mac and your iPhone.
The iPhone can be used as your TV remote.
You will ony need one HDMI and one USB, because what else would you want to conect if you will have everything already built in.
Bluetooth for your wireless keyboard when surfing the internet.
A good pair of speakers.
Internal 120Gb HD.
Integration with iTunes Store with automatic purchases of new episodes.
Apple tv-like presentation when wanted.

You readers keep the list growing so Apple can get interested!!!

JMG
I've been giving this feedback (http://www.apple.com/feedback) to Apple for more than a year. I usually send it under iMac, I have sent it under iTunes feedack and even Mac OS X. I have send similar specs to that about 12 or 15 times on different occasions. I have usually posted a link to the forum converastion URL each time too. You can bet your house they know what we are saying, and they read it load and clear.

Rocketman
Mar 27, 2007, 10:17 PM
If I have to camp out for an iPhone...I will be verrrrrrrrry angry.

I camped out for Star Wars 001 and Star Trek 001 and Colossus: The Forbin Project 001 :)

Rocketman, geek supreme

joelmejiaganan
Mar 27, 2007, 10:18 PM
I've been giving this feedback (http://www.apple.com/feedback) to Apple for more than a year. I usually send it under iMac, I have sent it under iTunes feedack and even Mac OS X. I have send similar specs to that about 12 or 15 times on different occasions. I have usually posted a link to the forum converastion URL each time too. You can bet your house they know what we are saying, and they read it load and clear.

Have you read their Apple's Unsolicited Idea Submission Policy?

http://www.apple.com/legal/policies/ideas.html

But I can understand you. I think you may have the same feeling as me and a lot more Macaddicts: Some ideas are just too good and just Apple can make them reality in a decent way.

One more thing...

That Apple Plasma TV can come with interesting GAME CAPABILITIES.
That thing can have a built-in dock hidden on the side for the ipod.
What else?...

JMG

mac17
Mar 27, 2007, 10:20 PM
[QUOTE](like when ppl spell it Micro$oft even though Gates is so charitable)[quote/]
bill gates isnt that charitable, yes he gives alot of money but your forgetting thats instead of paying taxes, beleive me if he could get out of paying taxes he wouldnt be giving all that to charity.

Rocketman
Mar 27, 2007, 10:23 PM
"I have a strong feeling that Apple is working on the developement of a TV, and I don't mean AppleTV (as in the box), I mean an actual Apple Inc. Television.
Here's my suggestions to Apple Inc. for the tech specs of an Apple Television;

5. Apple TV Edition Remote (Black)
6. 24Watt internal speakers
7. Side load slot regular format DVD drive (If you want HD DVD buy a player, if you want BD buy a PS3)
8. Plasma (kicks the living crap out of LCD in every repect, OLED and SED aren't ready yet)
10. 802.11(all)

GET ON IT APPLE!!


I made a similar post a long time ago, possibly in the "8 core Mac and displays in January" thread, or elsewhere.

I suspect simply due to "margin" issues it will never happen. My fears are your horrors.

Rocketman

usarioclave
Mar 27, 2007, 11:32 PM
Conservatively, 1 milllion inquiries would translate into 400,000 users. That's almost $200 million worth of iPhones.

That's only in the US, and that's only the people that know about the link. That link is from cingular's main web page. That's only for the US. Overseas, there is a much higher demand, because phone culture overseas is much more advanced. In the EU I'm sure the demand will be higher.

The 40% conversion rate is probably low, since people who find the link and bother to sign up for notification are probably more motivated. Every 100,000 people (10%) is about $50 million of product (assuming a $499 price point). With a conversion rate of 80%, you suddenly get $400 million worth of product. Whoa!

aristotle
Mar 28, 2007, 12:03 AM
Conservatively, 1 milllion inquiries would translate into 400,000 users. That's almost $200 million worth of iPhones.

That's only in the US, and that's only the people that know about the link. That link is from cingular's main web page. That's only for the US. Overseas, there is a much higher demand, because phone culture overseas is much more advanced. In the EU I'm sure the demand will be higher.

The 40% conversion rate is probably low, since people who find the link and bother to sign up for notification are probably more motivated. Every 100,000 people (10%) is about $50 million of product (assuming a $499 price point). With a conversion rate of 80%, you suddenly get $400 million worth of product. Whoa!
I have a feeling that it will be above 100% conversion rate because those 1 million people are keeners. They average consumer that might be interested in an iPhone once it become available is not going to bother ask about it electronically until it actually hits the market.

mautal
Mar 28, 2007, 12:32 AM
a thought comes to mind... im not sure if this has been discussed or mentioned, but i havent heard anything about it yet...but does the iphone have an ipod only function so that you can turn your phone off (say when you are on an airplane) and still enjoy the video/music of your iphone??
any thoughts or rumors?:confused:

koobcamuk
Mar 28, 2007, 01:03 AM
a thought comes to mind... im not sure if this has been discussed or mentioned, but i havent heard anything about it yet...but does the iphone have an ipod only function so that you can turn your phone off (say when you are on an airplane) and still enjoy the video/music of your iphone??
any thoughts or rumors?:confused:

Good point.

There isn't a carrier/service deal outside of the USA either. Remember that. God knows what they'll do in the UK. :rolleyes:

dnedved
Mar 28, 2007, 01:45 AM
8. Plasma (kicks the living crap out of LCD in every repect, OLED and SED aren't ready yet)


Except power consumption, which means Apple would never do it. But hey, if you're willing to spend the extra money (both upfront and every month), cause extra carbon to be added to the atmosphere, and increase dependendance on foreign energy for a better TV picture it's your money and conscience.

On topic though, I'm really going to sit back and wait on this iPhone. Apple had such an opportunity with this device, and the hardware seems absolutely brilliant (assuming they add 3G before they start selling in the EU) but I'm really cautious because of a few things on the software side:

- locking you into one carrier and not selling an unlocked version
- locking down the OS

It's just so dissapointing because if they'd really wanted to be innovative, and to shake up an industry that's just begging to be shaken up, they would have released:

- a device that used cellular 3G as a "data-only" service for when wi-fi couldn't be found
- used VOIP for all telephony
- sold their own VOIP service tied-in with .mac for all those who would rather swipe a credit card and have an out-of-the-box solution for phone, IM, and email (and given some actual value to .mac in the process)
- left the OS unlocked so power-users can run their own VOIP clients, IM programs, browsers, and the other programs that Mac users love so much
- built-in a GPS so the device could have provided location-specific information
- done something USEFUL with wireless mesh networking

THAT would have turned the industry on it's ear. THAT would have been innovative. THAT would have been convergence. THAT would have gotten his Steveness on the cover of Time next year. THAT would have had my credit card out on day 1.

But no, what they've released is basically a very slick smartphone. That's not innovation, that's just refinement of a well-entrenched product that someone ELSE innovated. The only real innovation I've seen advertised so far is visual voicemail? Hell, if they'd done it right voicemail would have gone the way of the dodo on this device -- integrated messaging (voicemail as email along with faxes etc.) is also very well entrenched and by not doing that they're 5 years behind in yet another area.

It's just so sad because they have the name and the money. Entering into this industry they could have dictated their own terms. Surely ONE of the big carriers would have been happy to partner with them just to sell their 3G data service. There could have been different models released for different markets and different wireless technologies (3.5G, wimax, etc.) but the basic device would have been IP only and thus the radio and the carrier are just a means to an end -- getting an IP connection.

But no, Apple has instead locked the users into continuing to pay a phone company for each and every minute we talk (a commodity that's basically free in the digital age). And locked us into that company. And surrendered a lot of control to that company. How last-century is that?!?

MacFly123
Mar 28, 2007, 01:53 AM
a thought comes to mind... im not sure if this has been discussed or mentioned, but i havent heard anything about it yet...but does the iphone have an ipod only function so that you can turn your phone off (say when you are on an airplane) and still enjoy the video/music of your iphone??
any thoughts or rumors?:confused:

That same thought actually came to my mind as well being that I travel for work. I don't know, but i hope they work something out, otherwise I'm gunna be sneaky with my iPhone on the plane haha ;)

toneloco2881
Mar 28, 2007, 01:59 AM
a thought comes to mind... im not sure if this has been discussed or mentioned, but i havent heard anything about it yet...but does the iphone have an ipod only function so that you can turn your phone off (say when you are on an airplane) and still enjoy the video/music of your iphone??
any thoughts or rumors?:confused:
iPhone has an airplane mode as confirmed by David Pogue.

mautal
Mar 28, 2007, 02:00 AM
That same thought actually came to my mind as well being that I travel for work. I don't know, but i hope they work something out, otherwise I'm gunna be sneaky with my iPhone on the plane haha ;)

i can just see the captain now... "flight controller come in!! I REPEAT COME IN! ALL I HEAR IS COLDPLAY! WTH?!?!?!?!?!"

elgruga
Mar 28, 2007, 03:03 AM
A million email enquiries?
That is a HUGE amount - people just dont bother with that kind of thing normally.

If one million are making this effort, and with the inevitable 20 million a year switching from ipod to iphone, plus the rise in iPods anyway (dont forget the iPhone is an iPod).....

I think that Apple is grossly underestimating at 10 million sold.

I predict 30 million worldwide in 18 months. At least.

Can they make them quick enough, and will they stand up to the wear and tear that phones must?

I hope they can. Go Apple!

surferfromuk
Mar 28, 2007, 05:10 AM
I camped out for Star Wars 001 and Star Trek 001 and Colossus: The Forbin Project 001 :)

Rocketman, geek supreme

Someone else who has seen the Forbin Project - must have been very lonely on that line!!:)


Iphone : I shall be having one, all my family and my wife's family want one, even 'grandma' wants one!! ( I kid you not!). I seriously don't think some people realise how huge this has the potential to be. The mobile phone was 'the star Trek communicator' of the nineties - incredible technology but people are ready for something better and yet again only Apple can do the S/W and H/W integratation with class. Really lots of people can do 'old tech' push button h/w with a clunky O/S and app design but really who other than Apple can make it simple enough to make it worth the effort...

My feeling is 1 million is literally the tip of the iceberg. There are 100million unseen just below the surface waiting to get one.
Let's face it - has there EVER been a sexier phone???

I mean this is going to be used in singles bar instead of 'chat up lines'!!

...Back to the Apple LCD TV ; Here is my definitive draft Specification (and especially for the bean counters at Apple who wants to know what I'm willing to lay down £1500.00 for and want to work out the 'margins' achievable!!!If they do everything on this list and it's perfectly stunning I'd certainly go to £2000.00)

42” & 50” Form Factor. Cinema class Display
High quality ‘Piano Black’ classic styling. Super Slim and elegant. Iphone class styling.
Integrated ‘rear slot mounted’ ‘AppleTV’ media streamer with full iTunes Store *
Direct ‘Web Browsing’ with ‘Quartz Zoom’ and ‘Spaces’ tabbed Browsing.
Optional Bluetooth Keyboard
Iphone Integration. Call can be taken via the TV. Automatic ’time-lapse’ DVR upon call
Integrated iSight Video camera with iChat client. Automatic ’time-lapse’ DVR upon call
Apple 160GB** Digital HD Recorder - with optional Sat/Cable/Freeview card
Integrated iPod/Iphone charging Dock with auto-synch to remote Mac/PC iTunes
Genuine ‘mighty mouse’ style Scroll ball Remote Control with mag ‘on/off’. one maybe two buttons and 'wii' style pointer movement.
Apple one button ‘point and click’ mouse based graphical user interface. (using the 'wii' style wave to point' remote)
Apple Hi-Fi 100 watt ‘Invisible’ Sound system with optional ‘bluetooth’ rear 5.1 speakers. Internally mounted sub facing down.
Side loading Blue-Ray DVD slot.
Apple OSX foundation platform.
Apple Class Apps. Apple Remote Desktop ***
Auto-Update.

* Apple TV 'brains' box is a special TV slot in edition which is rear mounted in an access slot. It can be replaced, repaired and upgraded as and when new versions are released. The standard I/O is replaced by a single interface connector to link it to the TV. This will enable people to keep the actual screen element for at least 5 years whilst maybe buying a 'new' brain after 3yrs when and if new tech comes along. Keep support/repair costs down as well.

** HD Optional Size upgrade.
*** Access your Mac 'onscreen'. Mac compatible only.

(Yes, I am an Apple Fanboy - and why not love something fantastic when everyone else is so second rate!)

nickane
Mar 28, 2007, 06:44 AM
Except power consumption, which means Apple would never do it. But hey, if you're willing to spend the extra money (both upfront and every month), cause extra carbon to be added to the atmosphere, and increase dependendance on foreign energy for a better TV picture it's your money and conscience.

On topic though, I'm really going to sit back and wait on this iPhone. Apple had such an opportunity with this device, and the hardware seems absolutely brilliant (assuming they add 3G before they start selling in the EU) but I'm really cautious because of a few things on the software side:

- locking you into one carrier and not selling an unlocked version
- locking down the OS

It's just so dissapointing because if they'd really wanted to be innovative, and to shake up an industry that's just begging to be shaken up, they would have released:

- a device that used cellular 3G as a "data-only" service for when wi-fi couldn't be found
- used VOIP for all telephony
- sold their own VOIP service tied-in with .mac for all those who would rather swipe a credit card and have an out-of-the-box solution for phone, IM, and email (and given some actual value to .mac in the process)
- left the OS unlocked so power-users can run their own VOIP clients, IM programs, browsers, and the other programs that Mac users love so much
- built-in a GPS so the device could have provided location-specific information
- done something USEFUL with wireless mesh networking

THAT would have turned the industry on it's ear. THAT would have been innovative. THAT would have been convergence. THAT would have gotten his Steveness on the cover of Time next year. THAT would have had my credit card out on day 1.

But no, what they've released is basically a very slick smartphone. That's not innovation, that's just refinement of a well-entrenched product that someone ELSE innovated. The only real innovation I've seen advertised so far is visual voicemail? Hell, if they'd done it right voicemail would have gone the way of the dodo on this device -- integrated messaging (voicemail as email along with faxes etc.) is also very well entrenched and by not doing that they're 5 years behind in yet another area.

It's just so sad because they have the name and the money. Entering into this industry they could have dictated their own terms. Surely ONE of the big carriers would have been happy to partner with them just to sell their 3G data service. There could have been different models released for different markets and different wireless technologies (3.5G, wimax, etc.) but the basic device would have been IP only and thus the radio and the carrier are just a means to an end -- getting an IP connection.

But no, Apple has instead locked the users into continuing to pay a phone company for each and every minute we talk (a commodity that's basically free in the digital age). And locked us into that company. And surrendered a lot of control to that company. How last-century is that?!?

I completely agree with you and that's a brilliant list of features (especially the bit about making .mac better value), but Apple never does things that way. They don't like to compete in existing markets, but would rather forge out some new niche for themselves by coming up with an innovative product that keeps the rest of the supply chain happy (whether it be music companies, film distributors or cell operarators). My guess is that they do it because of Nagromme's spot-on observations about their ongoing battle for marketshare in the computer industry: they don't want to bother making a wonderful product that's easy-to-use and, although, not as flexible in terms of the features it has (think how crippled the ipod has been relative to other mp3 players), is the most practical and functional device of its kind on the market, only to lose out to Microsoft/Nokia, purely cos ppl are used to their products' interfaces and altho not entirely satisfied with them are scared to try anything new.

Look at the apple TV. We wanted Apple to make a Tivo-killer, but they just gave us an ipod for our tellies, and told us it would be the dvd-player for the 21st century, even when its less res than HDDVD/BR. As if I'm gonna be happy paying them for lossy downloaded soft copies of all my content, locked by a rigid DRM designed to appease the studios. They're not gonna sell us a wonderbox for $300 that'll do everything we want. They've said time and time again that their business model is not heading towards the all-in-one living room solution. They prefer accessories, the profit margins are better (look at what they've stripped from the ipod to get it down to $300 - it doesn't even come with a charger anymore).

Anyone who wants an apple-branded TV should pick up a Mac Mini, an Elgato and a new hi-def monitor when they come out at NAB.

Apple knew that since most ppl have a phone with walkman capabilities but still carry an ipod all the same, they had the potential for a convergence device that would have the operators clamouring. They squeezed them so hard that Verizon (I think?) turned the exclusive deal down. They're about as keen to save us consumers on call charges as they are to stop us buying movie downloads in favour of movies recorded onto a hard drive off the telly with the adverts automatically skipped out, cos they don't want to upset any part of the existing infrastructure that they're not directly competing with.

As for the whole 3G thing, ppl forget that battery life on those phones broke the 24hr mark round about the time GSM phones were getting 7 days in standby, and whilst the iphone will probably be 3G in Europe, if 3G isn't nationwide in the US, most ppl would prefer a few more hours music. IMHO, Apple hasn't released any info on carriers etc here and in the rest of Europe, because they know the iphone will do well enough at launch (based on news like this article) to demand more from UK/Euro carriers than they've gotten out of Cingular.

Hopefully, in a couple of years, when the iphone has enough flash memory to lure me away from my 30gb ipod, it'll have at least half the features you've suggested.

In the meantime, could ppl please stop telling me that even when Bill Gates is giving to charity, he's still being evil, greedy or just trying to dodge tax (there are many ppl who make more money than they or their descendants can ever spend even after income and inheritance tax, but very few are quite so generous - its not as if Jobsy's in a different tax bracket). Walmart is evil, Microsoft just lack innovation and make ****** software.

Mac Fly (film)
Mar 28, 2007, 09:46 AM
Here is my definitive draft Specification (and especially for the bean counters at Apple who wants to know what I'm willing to lay down £1500.00 for and want to work out the 'margins' achievable!!!If they do everything on this list and it's perfectly stunning I'd certainly go to £2000.00)

42” & 50” Form Factor. Cinema class Display
High quality ‘Piano Black’ classic styling. Super Slim and elegant. Iphone class styling.
Integrated ‘rear slot mounted’ ‘AppleTV’ media streamer with full iTunes Store *
Direct ‘Web Browsing’ with ‘Quartz Zoom’ and ‘Spaces’ tabbed Browsing.
Optional Bluetooth Keyboard
Iphone Integration. Call can be taken via the TV. Automatic ’time-lapse’ DVR upon call
Integrated iSight Video camera with iChat client. Automatic ’time-lapse’ DVR upon call
Apple 160GB** Digital HD Recorder - with optional Sat/Cable/Freeview card
Integrated iPod/Iphone charging Dock with auto-synch to remote Mac/PC iTunes
Genuine ‘mighty mouse’ style Scroll ball Remote Control with mag ‘on/off’. one maybe two buttons and 'wii' style pointer movement.
Apple one button ‘point and click’ mouse based graphical user interface. (using the 'wii' style wave to point' remote)
Apple Hi-Fi 100 watt ‘Invisible’ Sound system with optional ‘bluetooth’ rear 5.1 speakers. Internally mounted sub facing down.
Side loading Blue-Ray DVD slot.
Apple OSX foundation platform.
Apple Class Apps. Apple Remote Desktop ***
Auto-Update.

* Apple TV 'brains' box is a special TV slot in edition which is rear mounted in an access slot. It can be replaced, repaired and upgraded as and when new versions are released. The standard I/O is replaced by a single interface connector to link it to the TV. This will enable people to keep the actual screen element for at least 5 years whilst maybe buying a 'new' brain after 3yrs when and if new tech comes along. Keep support/repair costs down as well.

** HD Optional Size upgrade.
*** Access your Mac 'onscreen'. Mac compatible only.

(Yes, I am an Apple Fanboy - and why not love something fantastic when everyone else is so second rate!)
I'm an Apple fanboy too, but I'm also a realist. That will never happen, and the mighty mouse scroll ball is an aging flawed design.

Spectrum
Mar 28, 2007, 11:39 AM
I hope they mean : "One million ENQUIRIES".

One million INQUIRIES is a hell of a work load for someone to organise... ;)


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e.g. "Please enquire for more information about the one million inquiries launched about the iPhone."

Pac a Mac
Mar 28, 2007, 02:11 PM
For $599, the thing should have nothing short of 40 gigs of memory (for the photos, music, etc.), at least a 5.0 megapixel camera, and be able to record video clips.;)

I just don't get it. When Jobs said, "It will have a 2 megapixel camera," the crowd went nuts. They should have booed!!!:mad:

Too right. But people will pay a premium for a label. They can live with low spec for the oh's and Ah's they get when they pull it out of their bag. The thing is most labels/badges, for example BMW, give you the option of 'extras' this may come in time with Apple.

stagi
Mar 28, 2007, 05:04 PM
I was one of the million that put my email in and will be picking up an iphone once they are out :)

theheadguy
Mar 28, 2007, 05:57 PM
I hope they mean : "One million ENQUIRIES".

One million INQUIRIES is a hell of a work load for someone to organise... ;)


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e.g. "Please enquire for more information about the one million inquiries launched about the iPhone."
Some sort of brit humor I'm not getting?