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velocitychannel
Jun 11, 2003, 08:41 AM
While cleaning out some of my old CDs, I came across a couple of CDs I got at MacWorld Boston in 1996. Two of them are a tour of MacOS 8 (the Copland one, not the one that was actually released).

Is this worth anything to a collector? Are they rare?

Like I said, I got them at a live demo of Copland at MacWorld Boston. The demo they gave was horrible. The Finder kept crashing and the had to reboot several times during the demo. :eek:

Here are some screenshots I took of the tour:

Main Menu (http://www.squizzle.net/copland/main_menu.png)
Appearence - Platinum (http://www.squizzle.net/copland/appearence.png)
Appearence - Hi-Tech (http://www.squizzle.net/copland/appearence_hi-tech.png)
Tour Menu - Platinum (http://www.squizzle.net/copland/menu_platinum.png)
Tour Menu - Hi-Tech (http://www.squizzle.net/copland/menu_hi-tech.png)
Multitasking Finder (http://www.squizzle.net/copland/multiple_copy.png)
Open Doc Claris Works (http://www.squizzle.net/copland/opendoc.png)
Claris Works - Hi-Tech Theme (http://www.squizzle.net/copland/hi-tech_claris.png)
Credits at the end of Tour (http://www.squizzle.net/copland/credits.png)

I was thinking of putting one on eBay or something, just to see what I could get for it.



whooleytoo
Jun 11, 2003, 09:21 AM
Not sure of the timescale, but the Copland project was pretty buggy, but really started coming together in the last month or so before it (ironically) got canned. It was very usable at that stage, but I guess just not a radical enough rehaul.

One of the coolest things about Copland, IMO, was the animated boot up screen - though I doubt if that features on your CD! I've no idea how much the CD is worth I'm afraid.

Mike.

sparkleytone
Jun 11, 2003, 09:38 AM
really...unless copland was unix based, which doesnt seem to be the case, it was inherently doomed. the new renaissance that apple is experiencing owes alot to OS X's UNIX underpinnings and Apple's ability to leverage that to embrace open source.

velocitychannel
Jun 11, 2003, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by whooley
Not sure of the timescale, but the Copland project was pretty buggy, but really started coming together in the last month or so before it (ironically) got canned. It was very usable at that stage, but I guess just not a radical enough rehaul.

One of the coolest things about Copland, IMO, was the animated boot up screen - though I doubt if that features on your CD! I've no idea how much the CD is worth I'm afraid.

Mike.

If I remember correctly, one of the main problems with Copland was that backwards compatibility was bogging it down. All the "modern" features were really only available to the Finder and 3rd party apps would have to be rewritten to take advantage of them.

The good thing about Copland is what it contributed to MacOS 8.X and OS 9. Which bought Apple some time until they were able to find a better solution for their lack of a modern OS.

I wonder what the ever did with NuKernel? I know Ellen Hitchcock (was that her name?) wanted to use NuKernel in place of Mach, but lost that battle. Hmmm. Good stuff.

And no, no animated boot screen. In fact, I never remember seeing that in the live demo. How did you see it? Did you work at Apple? As far as I know, developers never got a beta of it.

velocitychannel
Jun 11, 2003, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by sparkleytone
really...unless copland was unix based, which doesnt seem to be the case, it was inherently doomed. the new renaissance that apple is experiencing owes alot to OS X's UNIX underpinnings and Apple's ability to leverage that to embrace open source.

I agree that Apple made a good move in going the UNIX route, but Copland never materialized because of poor management who let the project turn into a bloated pig, not really because it wasn't UNIX based. NuKernel, however, was supposed to be a really good foundation, although I can't verify that from personal experience.

pyrotoaster
Jun 11, 2003, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by velocitychannel
I wonder what the ever did with NuKernel? I know Ellen Hitchcock (was that her name?) wanted to use NuKernel in place of Mach, but lost that battle. Hmmm. Good stuff.
If I'm remembering correctly, Ellen Hitchcock (I think that was her name) was actually the one canned Copland. When Steve returned to power, he canned her.

Honestly, Copland needed to die. By the time it was finally ended, it was getting old. The good that came out of it was the extra time it bought Apple so OS X could be developed.

AppleMatt
Jun 11, 2003, 09:51 AM
You should, they will interest quite a few Mac zealots.

eBay US or eBay UK?

AppleMatt

velocitychannel
Jun 11, 2003, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by pyrotoaster
If I'm remembering correctly, Ellen Hitchcock (I think that was her name) was actually the one canned Copland. When Steve returned to power, he canned her.

Honestly, Copland needed to die. By the time it was finally ended, it was getting old. The good that came out of it was the extra time it bought Apple so OS X could be developed.

I agree. But you have to admit that Copland is one of those Apple curiosities like Star Trek and Pink.

velocitychannel
Jun 11, 2003, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by AppleMatt
You should, they will interest quite a few Mac zealots.

eBay US or eBay UK?

AppleMatt

If I do, it will probably be eBay US.

TEG
Jun 11, 2003, 10:37 AM
Hey,

You've been able to have an animated Boot Screen from OS 7.5 thru 9.2.2. I've did it once by placing a file called "StartupMovie" in the System Folder. I don't remember all the details, but I do know you can do it. BTW, It would have been nice to see some of Copland's features more rediabily usable with in the Later forms of Classic

TEG

whooleytoo
Jun 11, 2003, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by velocitychannel
If I remember correctly, one of the main problems with Copland was that backwards compatibility was bogging it down. All the "modern" features were really only available to the Finder and 3rd party apps would have to be rewritten to take advantage of them.


True, though most code needed to be at least partially re-written for OSX too. (Quark Xpress anyone? :) )


And no, no animated boot screen. In fact, I never remember seeing that in the live demo. How did you see it? Did you work at Apple? As far as I know, developers never got a beta of it.

<cough>... I used to work for a certain fruity company..

It was very nice, initially a white screen, smoothly dissolving into 4 "big pixels", which each in turn dissolved into 4 more, and so on until the image became sharper and you could see the blue MacOS smiley face. Ok, it looks better than it sounds!!

Mike.

velocitychannel
Jun 11, 2003, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by TEG
Hey,

You've been able to have an animated Boot Screen from OS 7.5 thru 9.2.2. I've did it once by placing a file called "StartupMovie" in the System Folder. I don't remember all the details, but I do know you can do it. BTW, It would have been nice to see some of Copland's features more rediabily usable with in the Later forms of Classic

TEG

Many of Copland's features were put into 7.6 and up, although some were implemented in other ways. I'm not sure of all of Copland's features, but the Finder as we know it in 9.2.2 is almost feature matched with Copland, from what I know. Which ain't much! ;)

sparkleytone
Jun 11, 2003, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by velocitychannel
I agree that Apple made a good move in going the UNIX route, but Copland never materialized because of poor management who let the project turn into a bloated pig, not really because it wasn't UNIX based. NuKernel, however, was supposed to be a really good foundation, although I can't verify that from personal experience.

what i mean is, even if it HAD materialized I don't think it would have been as successful or even anywhere near as successful as OS X has been. Apple needed a *NIX based OS, and they got it at just the right time IMHO.

velocitychannel
Jun 11, 2003, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by whooley
True, though most code needed to be at least partially re-written for OSX too. (Quark Xpress anyone? :) )

Haha. This is true.


<cough>... I used to work for a certain fruity company..

It was very nice, initially a white screen, smoothly dissolving into 4 "big pixels", which each in turn dissolved into 4 more, and so on until the image became sharper and you could see the blue MacOS smiley face. Ok, it looks better than it sounds!!

Mike.

Now that sounds pretty cool. But probably contributed to Copland's bloatiness (is that a word?)

velocitychannel
Jun 11, 2003, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by sparkleytone
what i mean is, even if it HAD materialized I don't think it would have been as successful or even anywhere near as successful as OS X has been. Apple needed a *NIX based OS, and they got it at just the right time IMHO.

Okay, I gotcha. I think you're right. Having a UNIX foundation has helped OSX in bringing in new users and a ton of new apps, etc.

funkywhat2
Jun 13, 2003, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by whooley


It was very nice, initially a white screen, smoothly dissolving into 4 "big pixels", which each in turn dissolved into 4 more, and so on until the image became sharper and you could see the blue MacOS smiley face. Ok, it looks better than it sounds!!

Mike.

Like the "Hello" fade in on the Jaguar Betas?

I wish they had kept that. It looked really nice and friendly. It made you smile.

By the way, I know what you're talking about. I've actually seen a movie of it, if I can remeber correctly, but it was just a mock up.

000111one111000
Jun 13, 2003, 10:04 PM
If Copland wasn't UNIX based, then why does it list UNIX in the credits?

Not saying Copland WAS UNIX based, just wondering why it was in the credits.

enoch

AngryAngel
Jul 13, 2003, 05:39 PM
Those credits mentioned MS-DOS too.

It's usual to credit any trademarks mentioned- so they must have mentioned MS-DOS, Windows, UNIX, etc. at some point in the demo.

AppleMatt
Jul 13, 2003, 07:04 PM
As you're auctioning them on eBay US (and I'm in UK), I don't suppose you'd be willing to compress the files on the CD and stick them up/email them somewhere?

I'd really like to see what was on here.

AppleMatt

rainman::|:|
Jul 13, 2003, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by pyrotoaster
Ellen Hitchcock (I think that was her name)

Ellen Hancock, actually. I used to know her.

*picks up name i just dropped and sits down*

:D
pnw

Lollypop
Jul 4, 2006, 07:36 AM
Just wikipedia'd NuKernel, apparenlty it was based on mach 3.0 aka Unix... interesting. I wouldnt mind a animated startup on OS X... speaking of, where has the apple MacOs Smiley gone??

Counterfit
Jul 4, 2006, 08:03 AM
This isn't really a thread that needed to be brought back. The last post was almost 37 months ago!

whooleytoo
Jul 4, 2006, 09:51 AM
Just wikipedia'd NuKernel, apparenlty it was based on mach 3.0 aka Unix... interesting. I wouldnt mind a animated startup on OS X... speaking of, where has the apple MacOs Smiley gone??

One of the MacOS 8 (Tempo, I think) had a smiling Mac that winked at you while booting up. Unfortunately, it was removed as they thought it might be offensive in some cultures. It does go to show though the lengths Apple goes to (or at least, used to go to) in the QA!

dpaanlka
Jul 4, 2006, 12:27 PM
Ellen Hancock, actually. I used to know her.

*picks up name i just dropped and sits down*

:D
pnw

My mom befriended Ellen Hancock when she was a higher-level employee at Exodus Communications. Yikes, theres another blast from the past.

To the OP: your picture links don't work but I'd really like to see them!

madmax_2069
Jul 4, 2006, 11:33 PM
yea i would also love to see them.it was posted sooo long ago he might not have them anymore.

Spock
Jul 6, 2006, 10:27 PM
This isn't really a thread that needed to be brought back. The last post was almost 37 months ago!

Honestly, Is it sad i remember reading this when first posted?