Poll: How often has OS X Kernel Panic'd for you (in last 6 months)?

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Vote: Poll: How often has OS X Kernel Panic'd for you (in last 6 months)? (http://www.macpolls.com/?poll_id=203&ref=forums.macrumors.com)

[skymaXimus]

Whats a kernel panic? ;)

[Huked on Fonick]

I dont have bad ram, and thats the number one cause of kernal panics......IM SET:)

[davy the bunny]

Never and I'm mean to the kitty. . . err Jaguar.

[neutrino23]

My wife's computer has been very stable but recently I tried to add RAM to it. Changing the 256MB module to a 512MB module caused Kernel Panics. I sent it back and they tested it and said it was OK but sent me a new one anyway. This one too caused Kernel Panics but not so many. This is an ongoing problem we haven't settled yet.

I also have a Pismo 500 which normal is quite stable. I have used it to connect to various windows pcs. However, at one customer site I tried several times to connect to our PC on their network. Everytime it causes a KP. I have finally given up on that.

On my main system, 867 Quicksilver, I haven't had a problem in so long I can't remember when that was.

[dethl]

I agree with the above poster who said "Whats a kernel panic?". I haven't seen one on my old graphite clamshell since the days of Mac OS 10.1, which was caused by me pulling out the firewire cable to my external burner in the middle of bootup :p

[BeigeUser]

I've seen 5 kernel panics during the last six months.

Twice when trying to repair a defective hard drive with norton disk doctor. I gave up after that.

Three times with VPC. VPC seems to take down the whole system when it crashes. So technically, is it Windows fault?

[dricci]

I have a garunteed Kernel Panic when I unplug my Sound Sticks with the machine on.

Also it seems to happen while connected to a windows share sometimes, however I'm not sure if it's related to something else.

[vniow]

Once, while working with a Windows machine....

[Doctor Q]

0 in last 6 months, 1 in last year

[xjohn]

No kernal panics, but sometimes I have to restart because programs start behaving strangely.

For instance, I have to hit command-h three times in order to hide mail.

Not sure why this happens, but it stops after I restart. (Logging out would probably do it.)

Also, sometimes when I shut down the computer freezes up. Everything quits but the finder, and then it just hangs. I used to force restart, but then I discovered that relaunching the finder from the dock would result in the shut down proceeding as normal. Strange...

[Mr.Hey]

for those of you with 10+
back up the usual folders and their preferences Mail, Address, iPhoto, iTunes, safari, Documents....reinstall and turn on journaling..this app Cocktail (http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/18282) will help with utilities needed to keep OS X running perfect. Don't forget to repair permissions every month.

[FredAkbar]

Originally posted by BeigeUser
I've seen 5 kernel panics during the last six months.

Twice when trying to repair a defective hard drive with norton disk doctor. I gave up after that.

Three times with VPC. VPC seems to take down the whole system when it crashes. So technically, is it Windows fault?

Yeah, soon after I installed VPC, it would sometimes crash, which would freeze the whole system. It works fine nowadays though. But it would be nice to blame it on Windows, wouldn't it? :D

Anyway, the actual kernel panic screen (with the many languages and so on) has only come up once or twice for me in a long time--once when I tried to plug in some pro speakers during startup, and once with AOL.

--Fred

[shadowfax]

i had a kernel panic trying to access a PC i couldn't see on the network (entering its IP address). it beach balled for a few seconds, maybe 30 or so, then just went KP. never happened again, and never happens when i do anything else. i blame the $#@% PC.

[zer0army]

3-5 times for me. In every case a Windows machine was involved. I think there should be a separate poll:

How often has OS X Kernel Panic'd for you in last 6 months, Without Windows being involved?

I could then honestly say 0

[DOUBLEADESIGN]

bad ram. I'm on my third set form OWC. I hear it is best to use Kingston or Apple for Mirror Door Drives.

[niar]

it happens when I try to move attachments in Eudora Application. Something to do with our W2k server I guess?
Seems to be fixed now in 10.2.6...

And once I had computer to logout by itself because I was doing Distiller work, Fetch, Photoshop and CD-writing alltogether..

9.2 crashed every hour

[DreaminDirector]

I've had only one in the past 6 months and that was due to the USB hub problem in 10.2.4 (or was it 10.2.5, I dont remember....). But I have RAM from Macsolutions in my Dual MDD and it works awesome.

[gerror]

Only in the beginning using OSX but I can't remember the latest crash. Must be more than a couple of months ago.

[mactastic]

I found a way to get a kernal panic, all I have to do is put my san disk PCMCIA Type 1 card reader in my laptop and bang. Then when I eject it and restart the computer, the second time I put it in, it works fine. So now I don't hardly use it anymore, unless I have 150 pictures to transfer. At least it was only like $10. Weird though.

[Awimoway]

Crucial RAM has worked well on my MDD.

[cb911]

i had one panic, but nothing other than that once.

still don't know what caused it though...:rolleyes: :)

[mac15]

a few times for me, 3-5 . damn USB kernal panics. stupid modem drivers

[ozubahn]

Originally posted by mactastic
I found a way to get a kernal panic, all I have to do is put my san disk PCMCIA Type 1 card reader in my laptop and bang. Then when I eject it and restart the computer, the second time I put it in, it works fine.

I think I have the same card reader, and I saw the same behavior at first. Now, though, it behaves as long as I am very careful. I have to unmount the flash card (MS in this case), then power down the adapter using the PC card menu, then physically eject the adapter. If I don't unmount or power down first, I get a panic. Between that and some issues with my cellular modem adapter, I've had four or five KPs in the last several months.

My PC at work, on the other hand, goes catatonic two or three times per week.

[wdw_]

wow. About 10 minutes after I voted (I chose twice) I kernal panic'd. Don't know why.

[Chimaera]

three or four times I think

no Microsft or anything else behind it - once when I was connecting to our server (OSX.2 server), once when using Safari, and two happened while AFK so no idea what caused them.

Pity one bloke I work with, his shiny 17" pb flatlined about 30min after setup.

[mrdrumbum]

hey mactastic, same with me. i get a kernal panic half the time i stick in my dazzle compactflash adapter. the computer totally freezes, but usually if i wait it out like a minute or two it comes back and recognizes the card. if i manually eject the card while it's frozen than the computer has to restart.

[whooleytoo]

Only two kernel panics, though I've had to restart several times when my Mac spinning beachballed endlessly.

Mike.

[crassusad44]

Think I can remember this one time... Or was that not in the last 6 months...

Kernel panics are no big deal. It's more frustating when I disconnect a network drive and forget to unmount it first. Spinning beachball from hell. Usually have to reboot, but it's my own stupid fault...

[hvfsl]

My PB G4 only crashes when I have left a mounted PC network disk on my desktop and the PC has been turned off. 10.1 never had this problem, it just appeared in 10.2, I hope Apple fixes it in 10.3.

[C14ru5]

Here's a simple procedure to render your mac unusable (although not a kernel panic):

Log on to a computer running OS 9 through AppleTalk. Put your OS X computer to sleep and wake it up like 30 seconds later. Boom! All applications using the file system just give you a Spinning Beach Ball of Death?, and you can't launch any new applications. Logout is impossible, and force-quitting all applications just gives you a blank desktop (Finder doesn't relaunch).

[kylos]

Several times after installing 10.2.4. Recently my ibook has been panicking if I don't handle it with kid gloves. I think it's feeling it's age.

[Chaszmyr]

Three times.. Twice of which happened yesterday...

[mashx]

Unfortunately...... my TiBook started Kernal Panicking all over the place about a month ago. I must have had over ten since then. Most of the time it is when waking from sleep, and having moved it (e.g. between Office and home, but not always.

I have repaired the permissions a couple of times, checked the hardware, am using MacJanitor now, but I still get a freeze so often, it is making me start feel like I am using Windows 98...:mad:

Before this, I didn't have one in seven months. I guess I will have to reinstall, but I have 40Gb to back up first...

[groovebuster]

On my systems maybe 4 or 5 times.

The office Mac of a friend almost every day. Mostly when waking up from Deepsleep. No, it's not the RAM, we checked that right in the beginning. We tried everything bt can't find out what the problem is...

groovebuster

[macgroove]

I have had my TiBook now for almost 2 years and i only had 1 KP.... when i plugged in a USB microsoft mouse!!! Thats way back!

u gotta love the sense of humor of the programmers at apple's side

[caveman_uk]

Once on the powermac and twice on an ibook. The ibook one's occur if you awake from sleep by opening the lid but then close it again before it's fully awake. Opening again seems to give a panic. The powermac one was Safari related. The powermac has had a problem with the studio display not waking up properly occassionally

[Stelliform]

3 times, and always when using M$ Word. :D

I don't get a kernal panic when I leave a PC drive mounted, then I switch networks. My TiBook just hangs for a long time if I do that. It eventually sorts itself out....

[Adurbe]

Shadowfax has the same problem as me smb networks....

if you dont get the authentication screen within 10 seconds cancel the connect or it panics...

smb and ftp are my only gripes with OSX

[MetallicPenguin]

Mine didn't crash, but it wouldn't wake up from a sleep.

[utilizer]

In only three cases in my neck of the woods:
Windows machines involved; Bad RAM; wreckless unplugging and plugging in of a firewire hard drive that went out after a lightning storm (just had the power cutoff to it, nothing major). Maybe I need to invest in a battery backup.

[Fins160]

When i forced a reset during bootup, it crashed about 5 minutes in, both times. Had the spinning beachball of death with network drives too - they need to fix that ****, or i need to stop being dumb.

[WinterMute]

Never on the 15" TiBook, or the eMac, but the 17" AlBook I just sent back to Apple KP'd twice on the day it was going back, I think it knew it's days were numbered:D

I think the RAM is defective, but they say it's OK. I'm changing it anyway.

[visor]

logged as kernel panic in the system logs.

the ol ibook crashed more often than that however. a couple of times just went blank, fell asleep and wouldn't wake up again (full batterie of course)

Networking often causes 'unresponsive' computers - not beeing a kernel panic, but efficently locking the computer >(I'd call that a complete crash)

I've been bragging about it before - osx should be able to handle broken network connections much better.
It's a major issue for those among us, beeing mobile with their computers and mounting shares in all kinds of places. (of course forgetting to unmount them every once in a while before closing the book, and moving about.

[jkojima]

I used to KP several times a day. Started doing a little ritual and holding my breath every time I clicked the mouse button or tapped a key. Then I tried replacing a stick of RAM. No problems since.

[eric_n_dfw]

Wasn't a kernel panic, but VPC 6 froze the whole thing up the other day. It's my first hard re-boot in quite a while. 10.1 seemed to have a lot of problems with firewire camera's being plugged in/unplugged while running FCP but that was fixed in 10.2

[Taft]

I haven't had a single kernel panic since the Beta release of OS X.

I did have to do a hard reboot on my G4 400 tower a couple times, but it never panic-ed on me.

Taft

[visor]

Originally posted by utilizer
In only three cases in my neck of the woods:
Windows machines involved; Bad RAM; wreckless unplugging and plugging in of a firewire hard drive that went out after a lightning storm (just had the power cutoff to it, nothing major). Maybe I need to invest in a battery backup.

buy a notebook;)
I don't understand the windows machines involved point. Or, put differently, I don't understand if this is meant to be an exuse for a kernel panic. It sure is no excuse. A system should be able to protect itself from bad influence from bad computers.
If a simple windows machine can bring a sysem down, imagine what a hacker can do...

[utilizer]

Originally posted by Taft
I haven't had a single kernel panic since the Beta release of OS X.

I did have to do a hard reboot on my G4 400 tower a couple times, but it never panic-ed on me.

Taft

Yup, I meant to say that I only problems when connecting to a Windows machine through Samba or anything else for that matter, sans DAVE since I can't stand him.
But yeah, one Windows computer can bring down my entire system! For sure!

[bryanc]

I've installed X on half a dozen machines, ranging from antique G3s to relatively current G4s. One of the G4s had a problem with 10.2.5 and panicked a few times before the 10.2.6 update fixed the problem.

My 667 TiBook has run flawlessly since day one (and I *really* beat on this system mercilessly...my PC blows up with monotonous regularity when doing less than half what my TiBook handles with ease).

However, I've been having no end of problems with an older (350 MHz) G4 that's about as stable as a Hollywood marriage. I've checked and found nothing wrong with the RAM, but, having read this thread, I suspect that may be the problem. I'll try to lay my hands on a replacement stick of RAM to see if that fixes the problem.

[hesdeadjim]

Originally posted by xjohn
No kernal panics, but sometimes I have to restart because programs start behaving strangely.

For instance, I have to hit command-h three times in order to hide mail.

Not sure why this happens, but it stops after I restart. (Logging out would probably do it.)

Also, sometimes when I shut down the computer freezes up. Everything quits but the finder, and then it just hangs. I used to force restart, but then I discovered that relaunching the finder from the dock would result in the shut down proceeding as normal. Strange...

This happens to me sometimes as well. I've found if I quit all my apps and make sure they are quit (I have the hotmail plug-in for Mail and it hangs it up sometimes) that it shuts down fine.

[Laslo Panaflex]

I have had 3-5 all involving FCP. They way that I fixed it was deleting FCP, repairing permissions, then re-installing.

I did have problem with a first run 15" lcd iMac superdrive. It was my bosses and it was getting all kinds of kernal panics. Took it down to our local Apple certified reseller/repair store (not apple store mind you) and they replaced the hard drive and did several other things that didn't fix it. Finally, I called apple and they said that it was deffective ram, the ram that is in the inside of the computer that I couldn't get to without voiding warranty. So I took it down to the store again and they replaced the ram. Its been working fine ever since. I was upset, becuase it was a hassle, and I knew it was the ram the whole time, but I couldn't change it. At least it didn't cost anthing, still under warranty.

[DeusOmnis]

Who are all the smacktards voting "Dont Use OS X"? You're entitled to your opinion, but if it doesnt agree with mine, keep it to yourself. ;)

[warpedntwisted]

until last week i've only had 4 kernel panics since the release of Jaguar, and that is VERY impressive!!!! But now I get about 2 a day, but it's due to what I'm working on. NOTE TO ALL AFTER EFFECTS USERS!!!!!: i have had massive kernel panics from rendering HD footage in After Effects 5.5.1. regular DV or D1 footage works great, but HD is slightly problematic. even worse on windows (HA! HA!). but it is to be expected with the massive size of HD.

-Warped

[gopher]

I've written a kernel panic FAQ to explain what a kernel panic is and how to fix them:

http://www.macmaps.com/kernelpanic.html

[Golem]

And here I was though people were bs'ing when they said OS X doesnt crash for them. Unfortunately I am in the minority thats has lots of Kernel panics. Plus Spinning beach balls of death from an abundance of network drives and applications that just sit their, cant be force quit and wont allow you to access the finder. All up it wouldnt be uncommon for me to hit the reset button 4-5x a day.

Its not the hardware since that has been changed, Not the ram since that has been changed and I have reinstalled completely twice the last just 3 weeks ago.

[jxyama]

gopher:

Could you mention on your FAQ the fact kernel panic message may be hard to read if you are using a laptop? The screen dims to the darkest setting so it almost looks like the screen is blank.

I've had two kernel panics in 4 months, but none in the last three months.

[york2600]

I used RAID mirroring for a while on my dual 867. 1 drive was on the ATA100 bus and the other on the ATA66 bus then there was a third non-raid drive on the ATA66. Every time I tired to launch a program that needed the 3rd drive, or even just spun it up, the machine would kernel panic. If anyone out there from Apple is listening: That bug sucked. Go fix it. I want my RAID back.

[noel4r]

sometimes OS X has trouble waking up from sleep mode... then again i've had my mac for about a year and it froze only twice...

[Frobozz]

Dear god, what can you do, other than be a sowftare developer, to Kernal Panic your system 21+ times in 6 months? Both times I had a Kernal Panic in the past 6 months, it was a shock... but I think both occured when playing a game.

[Frobozz]

Originally posted by york2600
I used RAID mirroring for a while on my dual 867. 1 drive was on the ATA100 bus and the other on the ATA66 bus then there was a third non-raid drive on the ATA66.

Talk about asking for it. :-) LOL Did you think that was going to work? Joking aside, I would try to get yourself identical drives (by model number) on idential system controllers. That's what you call good RAID chi.

[k2k koos]

Once, on my old G3 cresendo upgraded wallstreet powerbook..., while openening too many pages too quickly in IE (hey it's MS , again...)

never again since!

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by hvfsl
My PB G4 only crashes when I have left a mounted PC network disk on my desktop and the PC has been turned off. 10.1 never had this problem, it just appeared in 10.2, I hope Apple fixes it in 10.3. you know, i have the same problem, but it never quite crashes me. it beachballs forever but never quite gets there. but it ruinsfinder for that session. i wait a few minutes, and then i use cmd-shift-q to log out and log back in, no restart necessary. but it is frustrating.

[medea]

I've had zero kernal panics, but while the OS has never crashed I've had to force quit a few programs. Other than that everything has been perfect.

[mproud]

I've encoutnered more than a few kernal panics - but to be fair, some of them were my fault, such as prematurely updating ATi drivers that weren't exactly compatible.

Other times it has often panicked after a long time sleeping. But, my computer has rarely panicked compared to the System 7.5 days. Ah, yes. Error type 10's and 11's...

[wdlove]

I personally don't have Mac OS X. So out of 4004 votes I'm at 6.67% or 267 votes.

[BeigeUser]

Originally posted by C14ru5
Here's a simple procedure to render your mac unusable (although not a kernel panic):

Log on to a computer running OS 9 through AppleTalk. Put your OS X computer to sleep and wake it up like 30 seconds later. Boom! All applications using the file system just give you a Spinning Beach Ball of Death?, and you can't launch any new applications. Logout is impossible, and force-quitting all applications just gives you a blank desktop (Finder doesn't relaunch).

I have the exact same setup at work. The same thing happens to me from time to time. The only difference being: My SBB of Death will eventually time-out after a while resulting in an error message/unexpectedly quit. My setup never completely freezes.

We are currently trying to get the budget to upgrade all of our software and hardware to be OS X compliant so we won't have to deal with OS 9 problems anymore.

[macdong]

a couple of months ago when i was playing giants, i got kernel panic a couple of times.
but other than those, i've never had any.
and since it wasn't OS X's fault, i voted "never" :D

[DeusOmnis]

Originally posted by macdong
a couple of months ago when i was playing giants, i got kernel panic a couple of times.
but other than those, i've never had any.
and since it wasn't OS X's fault, i voted "never" :D

Those are still os x kernel panics...

[macdong]

Originally posted by DeusOmnis
Those are still os x kernel panics...


well, technically the poll did ask how often OS X kernel paniced me, not how often my computer with OS X had kernel panic :p
but anyway, it was the game's problem, and they did fix it with an update, so i didn't have many objections.
and those KPs wouldn't have happened if not for the game :)

[canadianmacguy]

All of my kernel panics have been due to works' lovely vpn software - the actual OS has been rock solid for me for like 2+ years.

[scem0]

1 time in the last 6 months. 3 times in my life.

Gotta love OS X... :D

-scem0

[bluedalmatian]

I used to have problems with the Iomega Zip 250 USB - if you ejected the disk then pulled out the USB cable it caused a kernel panic. You had to wait a good number of seconds after you'd ejected before pulling the cable. Seems to have been fixed now though....hopefully.

[zed]

i think i have had one maybe two in the last 6 months.

I, too, had the RAM problem. I changed a stick of ram in my iMac... and then had KP's at least once a day, sometimes up to 3 times a day.... Since i removed the bad RAM (over a year and a half ago) ive only had maybe 3 or 4, not sure the reasons for those though....

[DavidFDM]

My panics were due to Return to Castle Wolfenstein. Grrr.

[MacFan25]

the first few days that i had my imac it had 3 KP's. I think it had something to do with the external floppy drive. then I had 1 in february. since then....i haven't had any. :)

[GregGomer]

I put 6-7, but it was an issue I knew about causing the panics, I just didn't realize it applied to me. That being said let me explain. Apple made known the issue of some USB hubs causing a Kernel Panic shortly after a restart. Well, I knew of the issue, but didn't think it effected me because I didn't and still don't have a USB hub, other then that on the keyboard which wasn't effected. Anyway, after playing with it for a while, found out that my Iogear USB bluetooth adapter was flakey. It like many USB hubs, was causing the Kernel Panic. So I pulled it, and never had another prob. Now with 10.2.6 all is well even with the USB Bluetooth adapter plugged in.

[macfreek57]

those of you above the 3-5 range must have really dirty systems.
you should not install so much crappy shareware
or not go hacking as much

[wdlove]

I will admit that when I went to MWNY '02, all I heard was how stable Mac OS X was. Then I attend the Seminar on Kernal panic and fixing Mac OS X problems, it was like a kick in the stomach. Took the wind out of my sales. The antidote or message that I took away, which is the same for Mac OS in general, is to be sure to keep your software up to date.

[jspivack]

both times my iBook has KP'd, it was definitely temperature-related...the last time, I closed the lid (and thus put it to sleep) while the fan was spinning, put it in its neoprene sleeve, and put it in the car. i forgot to take it out of the car, and it spent all afternoon in the sun; when I took it out again, bang! Multi-lingual crashage...

[unreg]

Nov 12, 2002 - QS dual 1Gig,1.5Gig RAM, always an early software updater, usually runs 24/7. Restart only for software updates or additions (but will do fsck or DW at that time).
Now I'll probabily lock hard.:(

[MacSlut]

Originally posted by DOUBLEADESIGN
bad ram. I'm on my third set form OWC. I hear it is best to use Kingston or Apple for Mirror Door Drives.

My spaceheater...uh, Dual G4 1.42 was crashing a few times a week and quiting apps a few times a day. This was with about 18 hours of use 7 days a week. I removed a 512MB RAM module from OWC and it ran fine (albeit slower). I called them and they sent me a new module the next day. It runs fine now. Not a single crash or quitting of an application.

This was an easy thing for me to check and resolve, but normally it wouldn't be something I would've supsected right away. I'm a former authorized Apple tech, and in my experience RAM usually works or it doesn't. When it does work intermittently it usually bombs out much more frequently, and usually it causes the whole system to go down and booting problems as well.

I guess one problem of the robustness of OSX is that sometimes it can allow major hardware failures to not always bring the whole system down.

[alset]

Fairly often. Probably once every two or three weeks. The best is when I am showing off OS X and bragging that it's super stable and it all goes down.

Dan

[MacBandit]

I've had about 4 in the past year and about 3 in the past 6 months and 2 in the last 3 weeks. I think the last 2 are just do to odd shareware programs causing a problem in combination with me leaving my computer on all the time starting about a month ago to fold.

I find the best way to prevent these sort of failures is to do a reinstall of the system prior to every system version update. The updaters on an old system seem to cause problems.

[MrMacMan]

I had one today, really sucks...

Weird 2 app glitch... adium (chat window) + poisoned (opening) = panic... don't know why...

Seems totally weird...

But I voted a day ago, bah.

[Doctor Q]

Originally posted by MrMacman
But I voted a day ago, bah. VOTER FRAUD! If we let you vote twice then, the next thing we know, others will be stuffing the ballot box too, and the validity of these scientific results will be ruined! :(
;)

[daveg5]

only 3 hard freezes, about 10 kernal panics and ocassional program quits,
basically about the same as OS9, although i really push my system, many apps open, sharewhare and freeware just like OS9 i dont baby it i throw every thing at it, and yes the usb hub bug, i can crash it now if i uplug my usb midi box and put in a diff one while it is being accessed. but usually when updating system software or new softwareinstead of saying restart it would just kernal panic(crash) i think it is fixed in 10.2.6.
But again i throw everything at it abuse it just like a do os9 and they both give me about the same stability and thats the honest truth and i am proud of it.

[daveg5]

Originally posted by macfreek57
those of you above the 3-5 range must have really dirty systems.
you should not install so much crappy shareware
or not go hacking as much
where's the fun in that, i now know which ones are good and which ones are bad, i went over 2 months no crash in os9.2.2, that was easy there are no more updates and my extension set and apps have been tested for years, i am trying to reach that in osx i think i will make it this month if i dont download anything else. i agree that abd memory is the biggest culprit with incompatable apps both open fighting for the same device or memory space being the next(read shareware/freeware.
but then my old atarist, amiga 500, atari800xl, PM7500 with 7.6 never had a crash in years.
today computers/OS's are asked to do evertihing, no wonder they crash ocassionally, just shows nothings perfect.

[dkeninitz]

Four panics since I got the machine in late February. In addition, I get the frozen spinning beachball on shutdown at least once a week. It's a TiBook 1ghz w/ 1gb of memory. I'm not running anything demanding (Reason 2.5 and Metro SE are about as demanding as I get; I use MS Word and Excel a lot). I run Macaroni, repair permissions regularly, etc. Memory chips are only a month old - upgraded from 512mb which meant pulling the old chips and putting in new ones. The frequency of the panics and freezeups is the same as before the memory upgrade, which suggest the memory chips aren't the issue. Pretty annoying for supposedly super-stable operating system.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by dkeninitz
Four panics since I got the machine in late February. In addition, I get the frozen spinning beachball on shutdown at least once a week. It's a TiBook 1ghz w/ 1gb of memory. I'm not running anything demanding (Reason 2.5 and Metro SE are about as demanding as I get; I use MS Word and Excel a lot). I run Macaroni, repair permissions regularly, etc. Memory chips are only a month old - upgraded from 512mb which meant pulling the old chips and putting in new ones. The frequency of the panics and freezeups is the same as before the memory upgrade, which suggest the memory chips aren't the issue. Pretty annoying for supposedly super-stable operating system.

I get freeze ups everytime I use Word and IE.

[SiliconAddict]

This is the type of thing that makes me wary of getting a Mac. I’m praying that Panther is going to clean up some of this. I’m not trying to create a flame war and I'm not trolling. But seriously. You guys are complaining about software or :rolls eyes: MS software creating a kernel panic. You are missing one key fact that MS has been getting bitched slapped about forever. That software shouldn’t crash a system EVER. Hardware is a bit more understandable considering the level at what the hardware is interacting with the OS at but that's just ****ty driver programming on the part of hardware manufacturers.
My biggest concern is interacting with Windows networks/shares and causing kernel panics. (Esp if I’m going to get a PowerBook and end up interacting with my home W2K server) Again there isn’t anything that should be going on between the Mac and the PC that should be able to crash the Mac. Hell the Mac OS should chew up and spit out anything MS sends its way. If something from a windows machine can cause OSX to up and die there is a very serious problem there, IMHO. Blaming MS seems like a major copout on the problem.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
This is the type of thing that makes me wary of getting a Mac. I’m praying that Panther is going to clean up some of this. I’m not trying to create a flame war and I'm not trolling. But seriously. You guys are complaining about software or :rolls eyes: MS software creating a kernel panic. You are missing one key fact that MS has been getting bitched slapped about forever. That software shouldn’t crash a system EVER. Hardware is a bit more understandable considering the level at what the hardware is interacting with the OS at but that's just ****ty driver programming on the part of hardware manufacturers.
My biggest concern is interacting with Windows networks/shares and causing kernel panics. (Esp if I’m going to get a PowerBook and end up interacting with my home W2K server) Again there isn’t anything that should be going on between the Mac and the PC that should be able to crash the Mac. Hell the Mac OS should chew up and spit out anything MS sends its way. If something from a windows machine can cause OSX to up and die there is a very serious problem there, IMHO. Blaming MS seems like a major copout on the problem. the thing you fail to recognize is that this is not an accurate slice of the mac community. plus, people that do get KP's more than never are the ones more likely to drop a line here. Kernel Panics really are rare in OS X. i use all kinds of hacks and beta stuff and i haven't gotten a Kernel Panic related to anything but the Samba networking bug. and that's not software related at all, that's me turning off my windows computer before i unmount a folder on it that my TiBook is logged in to. this operating system really is rock solid when you play by the rules (non-beta software), and even when you don't, with very few exceptions. people blame MS for kicks, but that doesn't mean OS X is just as bad as XP. hah!

[MacBandit]

The problem with some programs causing kernel panics and specifically MS ones is that they aren't written following the Cocoa programing guidlines. If they were no program could ever cause a system crash. The reason is the program should never interact with the system kernel if it's written correctly.

[bryanc]

Originally posted by bryanc
However, I've been having no end of problems with an older (350 MHz) G4 that's about as stable as a Hollywood marriage. I've checked and found nothing wrong with the RAM, but, having read this thread, I suspect that may be the problem. I'll try to lay my hands on a replacement stick of RAM to see if that fixes the problem.

Just as a point of reference, I replaced the original RAM that came with this machine, and it has not panic'ed since (2 months of heavy usage).

So it seems that bad RAM was the problem.

Cheers

[KCK]

In the last 6 months I've had 1 KP on my laptop and none on my desktop.

[baby duck monge]

not a single KP ever. and i have used X since 10.0

does that get a w00t or something? no, i don't think it does...

[revenuee]

Umm, I didn't see an answer for this

but What is a Kernal Panic? i have a vaige idea of what a kernel is, but i don't know what a Kernal Panic acctually does .

[evil]

one time. a few months ago. and i have no clue why. i have just the stock ram in my 12 pb.
im not concerned about it. one time in six months is nothin cmpared to about once a week (at least) with my windows system

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by revenuee
Umm, I didn't see an answer for this

but What is a Kernal Panic? i have a vaige idea of what a kernel is, but i don't know what a Kernal Panic acctually does .

Basically the core of OSX is ran on what is called the Unix Kernal. When that kernal has a fatal crash it's what people are calling a Kernal Panick. If you get one in 10.2 or later the screen will suddenly dim and a box in the middle of the screen will tell you how to restart your computer in like 4 different languages. It's somewhat similar to the BSoD (Blue Screen of Death) on the windows side.

It will most likely have absolutely no long term affects on your system though any current unsaved work will be totally lost. A total system crash use to be somewhat common in OS9. Thank fully in OSX it's a fairly rare occurence.

[revenuee]

Originally posted by MacBandit
A total system crash use to be somewhat common in OS9.

Thats what i figured, but i disagree with you entirally about OS9, i have not had a single system crash in the last 4 years, it's frozen up, only to work fine in about 2 minutes.

Hmm, maybe i won't upgrade

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by revenuee
Thats what i figured, but i disagree with you entirally about OS9, i have not had a single system crash in the last 4 years, it's frozen up, only to work fine in about 2 minutes.

Hmm, maybe i won't upgrade

Well each persons experiences are different. I for one had countless crashes with OS9 mainly due to IE. The problem with OS9 is when a program crashes it in term can cause the whole system to crash or cause it to be unstable eventually leading to a crash if you don't restart.

With OSX if a program crashes you just restart the program and continue on about your business as normal. It has absolutely no affect on the system or any other running program.

I would say that if you are happy with 9 stay with it. If you want to try OS X though go for it. If you think OS 9 is stable OS X can only be better.

[revenuee]

Ya, fair enough

acctually, i was wondering, how does the classic emulation work in OS X, am i better off dual booting 9.2 untill i have all OS X software?

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by revenuee
Ya, fair enough

acctually, i was wondering, how does the classic emulation work in OS X, am i better off dual booting 9.2 untill i have all OS X software?

Classic will probably boot 99% of the programs you want to run. Now if the program is speed critical I would boot directly into OS9 as this quite often will speed up the OS9 app greatly. Also if the program is a particular memory hog and you don't have a lot of RAM at least 512MB or more I would boot into OS9.

I have actually found that with the programs that come with OSX and with the available shareware and freeware I have not booted into OS9 or Classic in about a year. OSX seems to have an abundance of really good shareware/freeware.

[revenuee]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Classic will probably boot 99% of the programs you want to run. Now if the program is speed critical I would boot directly into OS9 as this quite often will speed up the OS9 app greatly. Also if the program is a particular memory hog and you don't have a lot of RAM at least 512MB or more I would boot into OS9.

I have actually found that with the programs that come with OSX and with the available shareware and freeware I have not booted into OS9 or Classic in about a year. OSX seems to have an abundance of really good shareware/freeware.

I work in Photoshop, and Final Cut Pro, exclusivelly,

and i use OFFICE, because i need to share files with the Windows world

i have 320, but i've got another 512 on order as we speak,

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by revenuee
I work in Photoshop, and Final Cut Pro, exclusivelly,

and i use OFFICE, because i need to share files with the Windows world

i have 320, but i've got another 512 on order as we speak,

I would boot into OS9 for Photoshop and Final Cut but Office will probably be fine under OSX in Classic.

[MacAficionado]

I've had a few, in the past week two but only when I wake it up from sleep.
Never has this occurred while doing work, which is good.

I wonder if it's the third party ram I got.....Mmmm, I don't even remember where.

[Awimoway]

I've had about 20 in the last month. Never before. My MDD PowerMac is only a year old.

I'm pretty sure it's something to do with the built-in USB or my Logitech MX700 mouse. I've ditched Logitech's drivers in favor of USB Overdrive and things are good so far.

[gloftis]

Last Panic: Sunday, 4/25/04

I discovered Sunday that there is an issue with Superdrives and panics. If you leave a CD or DVD in the drive when you are not using it "under certain conditions", the SuperDrive can cause a panic. While this phenomenon has been formally associated with the Poineer DVR 106, it seems logical that it may occur with the 104 and 105 (your Apple factory Superdrives).

I happen to have a 106, so I tried only inserting media when I needed to. Up to Sunday, I was getting 4-7 panics a day. I have not yet experieniced one since I started my experiment. For 2 days, I kept 25-30 applications open to put stress on system memory--no problems!

If you have a Superdrive, regardless of MAC model, try leaving it empty when you are not using it.

PowerMac G3 450 Yosemite, Rev 2
1 GB RAM
WD Caviar 160 GB 7200 RPM ATA Drive
Pioneer DVR-106D 4X DVD±R/CD-R/RW
OS X, Version 10.2.8

[gekko513]

Zero panics since I got the computer 4 months ago. :D

[thecow]

I've had zero but my hd one day decided to slowly loose all of its data in about 5 hours. It was weird watching filed just go and there was nothing that i could do about it. It was kinda like "pop", there goes iTunes. Hey, there goes limewire. Bye bye system folder. After I reinstalled everything it worked fine.