What will happen if Apple does NOT announce the G5? [Archive]

MacsRgr8

Jun 15, 2003, 04:21 PM

There are so many rumors more or less confirming the announcement of the 970 @ WWDC, that we are not hoping, but expecting it.
Only a handfull of rumors are a little more conservative.

As usual, readers of rumorsites get their hopes up (right up the Mt. Everest), and more often than not, we find ourselves disappointed when Steve forgets his "one more thing".

This time it's worse. We just simply cannot believe that it is still a possibility that Mr. Jobs won't even mention a new (or updated) PowerMac.

We are almost ignoring the fact that 10.3 is being demoed. The only thing mentioned.
I think we could be causing alot of damage here. I mean, if Apple were not to announce the 970, we would be rioting (as some would call it :) ). We wouldn't take hardly any notice of the 10.3 demo, if it weren't running on a 970!
So, if there's no G5, then WWDC is doomed.

Don't ya think?

sedarby

Jun 15, 2003, 04:29 PM

If the G5 (970's or whatever) are not announced it will not spell the end of Apple. A lot of people will be disappointed but we do as we always do when rumors are not translated into reality. We wait and see what happens at the next big event! We are impatient to a degree but we are also loyal to the best platform this world has to offer.

MacsRgr8

Jun 15, 2003, 04:36 PM

True...
But I'm more concerned now than when Apple stated: "Beyond the rumor sites, way beyond"

Even "other" tech/news/rumor sites are expecting the all new 64 bits Apple desktop computer, shown June 23rd.

It's getting scary. What will those sites write if Apple doesn't produce the magical G5? it will be such negative publicity. And Apple never said they were going to demo it!

cc bcc

Jun 15, 2003, 04:40 PM

I'll be crying like a little girl! I want a new powermac, and I actually need one now. My G4 400 just isn't up to hardcore multimedia authoring anymore!

ibookin'

Jun 15, 2003, 04:49 PM

Burninating Moscone!

Burninating Cupertino!

Trogdor!

Ambrose Chapel

Jun 15, 2003, 05:01 PM

I think that if there is no announcement of a 970-powered Mac at WWDC, then it will happen by Labor Day. This isn't the Moto G5 rumors from a couple of years ago that turned into a puff of vaporware. We know for a fact that the 970 exists and is being produced this year. There doesn't seem to be any reason why it won't wind up inside a new Mac.

But with Quark 6 shipping and OS X 10.3 coming...if Apple doesn't have fast new hardware for all these publishers to upgrade to, it'll be baaaaaddddddd.

So, no 970 announcement next week won't be the end of the world for me. No 970 announcment by the Fall and I'll start squirming.

job

Jun 15, 2003, 05:51 PM

Riots.

Lots of 'em.

A low yield tactical nuclear device in 1 Infinite Loop.

Hell stays hot.

Pigs still can't fly.

You get the idea. ;) :p

I'm still guessing Sept. ship dates though.

Billicus

Jun 15, 2003, 06:18 PM

If Apple doesn't release at 970 G5 I'll eat my shoe. Yes, you heard me right. I'll eat my shoe, shoelaces and all. ;)

e-coli

Jun 15, 2003, 06:50 PM

You remember when the Rodney King verdict was handed down in L.A? Or when the Detroit Tigers won the World series? Or the story of Sodom & Gomorra? :(

;)

sparkleytone

Jun 15, 2003, 06:51 PM

unfortunately, alot of people will take the time to register as a new member and just bitch and complain all day that they didnt get what they want. i mean, how dare apple not release the g5 they never promised? the rumor sites may as well be truth for these people, and they will cry foul as loud as possible to anyone who will listen.

unfortunately it will be fugly for a few days if it doesnt happen.

e-coli

Jun 15, 2003, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by MacsRgr8
We are almost ignoring the fact that 10.3 is being demoed.

That's true. If they don't introduce the G5, what the heck are they going to be demoing Panther on? IT'S A 64 BIT OPERATING SYSTEM WHICH NECESSITATES A 64 BIT CHIP!

I say have no fear. The G5 will be at the WWDC.

*angelic music*

ZildjianKX

Jun 15, 2003, 07:03 PM

If they don't throw a 970 chip in a powerbook... they're going to be really pathetic compared to a desktop... professional laptop line my ass. :)

TMA

Jun 15, 2003, 07:15 PM

Nermal

Jun 15, 2003, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel
I think that if there is no announcement of a 970-powered Mac at WWDC, then it will happen by Labor Day.

When is this? I've got no idea what date all the American holidays are.

evil

Jun 15, 2003, 07:57 PM

even though i would like to see the g5 or whatever i think it would be hilarious if there was no sign of it.
after all these people get so hyped about something never officially announced i would possibly piss myself laughing.
it would be apples big f-u to everyone.

rainman::|:|

Jun 15, 2003, 08:08 PM

the question is not what will happen *if*, it's what will happen *when* Apple doesn't release it at WWDC.

I plan on taking some time off macrumors for about a month after WWDC, just because of the influx of Apple bashing. Only sad thing is I agree.

pnw

cubist

Jun 15, 2003, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by Nermal
When is this? I've got no idea what date all the American holidays are.

(Re 970s by Labor Day) It's September 1, adjusted to the next Monday. The significance is that schools usually open the next day. (Yes, we have a holiday called Labor Day on which nobody works. America is full of such contradictions.)

Re the topic: There's a small part of me that wants to say, Apple's not going to use the 970 - Apple's going to announce 1.6GHz 7457s (90nm G4s).

But let's go full Devil's Advocate, shall we?

In return for another big investment from Microsoft Corp. (and we'll have Bill Gates' grinning visage towering over the stage again), Apple announces that they are spinning off Mac OS X and all other software projects to a recreated Claris Corp. which will be a joint venture - located in Redmond, Washington in space graciously provided by Microsoft on its campus. Meanwhile, the new PowerMac includes an AMD Athlon secondary processor which can be used to dual-boot Windows XP. The Aqua (OpenStep) framework will be ported to the Windows platform, leading to a grand reunification of the whole computing community - a garden of pure ideology, where each worker may bloom secure from the pests of contradictory and confusing truths.

shadowfax

Jun 15, 2003, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by sparkleytone
unfortunately, alot of people will take the time to register as a new member and just bitch and complain all day that they didnt get what they want. i mean, how dare apple not release the g5 they never promised? the rumor sites may as well be truth for these people, and they will cry foul as loud as possible to anyone who will listen.

unfortunately it will be fugly for a few days if it doesnt happen. well, to sink to your level of cynicism, i would have to say that if the rumors do indeed become reality, we'll be annoyed for weeks with a bunch of giddy schmucks giving mindless praise to apple and telling us how good their new machines are and spamming the boards with nonesuch and uselessness.

Sun Baked

Jun 15, 2003, 08:41 PM

Hopefully it will have shipped by Groundhog Day, if not then it looks like well be waiting for an announcement on April 1st again.

MrMacMan

Jun 15, 2003, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by ibookin'
Burninating Moscone!

Burninating Cupertino!

Trogdor!

I agree.

If they don't we are totally screwed, mean unless there is some force great strong enough to stop the wrath apon apple.

I will protest if they aint nothing by fall.

Freg3000

Jun 15, 2003, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by job

A low yield tactical nuclear device in 1 Infinite Loop.

:) That's great.

rice_web

Jun 15, 2003, 09:30 PM

If the 970 were available, Apple would use it, right?

It's a cheaper manufacturing process (the yields will likely be higher, and the core is shrinking) and it's faster than the current crop of G4s, and it offers 64-bit computing to the prosumer.

However, "if the 970 were available" is just that, a question, littered with doubt. Hell, we don't even know if Apple has an adequate motherboard to house the 970, or if their plans include the 970. There is even the off-chance that Motorola has a similar or equal offering to bring to the table.

Malus120

Jun 15, 2003, 10:21 PM

My bet is that if 970s aren't announced at WWDC then the WILL be annonced at MWNY. I mean why else would Apple suddenly register for a tradeshow which they had made VERY clear they were not going to go to this year. So i say if its not announced at WWDC dont worry, dont bitch, dont cry cause it will probably be announced mid July.

QCassidy352

Jun 16, 2003, 01:45 AM

Originally posted by paulwhannel
the question is not what will happen *if*, it's what will happen *when* Apple doesn't release it at WWDC.

I plan on taking some time off macrumors for about a month after WWDC, just because of the influx of Apple bashing. Only sad thing is I agree.

pnw

do you know something that the rest of us don't? How can you say with that level of certainty that Apple won't release the 970 machines? Seems to me that we're all just making (slightly) informed guesses here.

QCassidy352

Jun 16, 2003, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by evil
it would be apples big f-u to everyone.

yeah, losing what remains of their pitiful professional market share would sure show us! :rolleyes:

shadowfax

Jun 16, 2003, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by MrMacman
If they don't we are totally screwed, mean unless there is some force great strong enough to stop the wrath apon apple.

I will protest if they aint nothing by fall. oh, don't bother. i'm sure that countless hordes will be protesting much sooner than that :)

strider42

Jun 16, 2003, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by e-coli
That's true. If they don't introduce the G5, what the heck are they going to be demoing Panther on? IT'S A 64 BIT OPERATING SYSTEM WHICH NECESSITATES A 64 BIT CHIP!

I say have no fear. The G5 will be at the WWDC.

*angelic music*

Its nearly impossible that panther will be a 64 bit OS. If the 970 comes out, it will assuredly only be on the powermacs. That represents only a portio of their sales. If its a 64 bit OS, it would only run a 64 bit processor. That means it wouldn't run on the iMacs, iBooks, or powerbooks. Whats more, it wouldn't run on any machine produced earlier. Basically it would be an OS that runs on maybe 25% of the machines that would be want to run it. Does that sound like good business. What does apple do about the rest of their product line, even if they did totally abandon older (even slightly older) machines. Its absolutely unfeasible for panther to be a 64 bit OS. Its possible it could have some 64 bit optimizations, but its going to run ont he rest of product line.

A 64 bit OS requires a 64 bit processor. a 64 bit processor does not require a 64 bit OS when its backwards compatible with 32 bit.

MacsRgr8

Jun 16, 2003, 02:03 AM

Originally posted by Malus120
My bet is that if 970s aren't announced at WWDC then the WILL be annonced at MWNY. I mean why else would Apple suddenly register for a tradeshow which they had made VERY clear they were not going to go to this year. So i say if its not announced at WWDC dont worry, dont bitch, dont cry cause it will probably be announced mid July.

If Steve's keynote @ MWNY should occur, that will certainly mean something is postponed till July. That must mean the G5. What else could be so important?
But only exhibiting there isn't such a surprize. Apple should be there, announcement or not. Keynote or not.

Dale Sorel

Jun 16, 2003, 02:12 AM

I think I'll just freakin' explode http://homepage.mac.com/dsorel/MiscWebPhotos/flame.gif

;)

Abstract

Jun 16, 2003, 02:26 AM

The 970 will be announced during MMNY, not WWDC. ;) During WWDC, they'll tell us that there is going to be something BIG for MMNY, and this will be the 970. They'll announce Panther during WWDC, but the 970 PM and possibly new 970 PB's during MMNY. The 15" PB needs a refresher. ;)

matthew24

Jun 16, 2003, 02:47 AM

I did get to know Apple as a company that allways has been working extremely hard to meet the expectations of its custumors. I am sure that they are working on the 970 but don't forget, the system is a complete overhaul of its logic design, which could take some extra time. So be a little patient, I prefer a little extra time above compromise.

hvfsl

Jun 16, 2003, 04:55 AM

While there is no technical reason why Apple can't use the PPC970, history is full of people and companies making very stupid decisions. The recent MacWorld UK even said that Apple can be a very unpredictable company.

Apple has said that they are going to release something 'very soon' to address the lack of speed in the pro range, so that means Apple is going to release faster Macs. But these Macs could be:

-AMD or Intel x86 chips. If Apple used these then they would never be behind PCs in terms of speed again. Apple could be it so that only Apple x86 hardware could run Mac OS. Of course this will create the problem of apps being moved to a new platform. This option would also in the long run bring more developers to the Mac since it would be easier to port apps from windows.

-The PPC970 seems the most likely but Apple may be woried if IBM can not keep up the speed of the chip, this speed problem might happen all over again.

-Keep using Moto chips. This is the most unlikely option but Apple could use the upcoming 1.6Ghz chips, but use 4 of them.

-Use Intel/AMD powerpc chips. Apple could of course have struck a deal with AMD or Intel to make PowerPC chips for Apple. Intel is a much bigger chip company than IBM so it would have more resources to spend on the PowerPC. Also Intel or AMD might be able to also use the PowerPC chips to replace their server chips so they get something out of the deal.

So Apple IS going to do something, but what that something could be is anyones guess. What makes me think they are not going PPC970 is that IBM is advertising that the chip will work in Apples Macs, it seems like they are saying that Apple should buy thier chips, not that Apple is already using IBM chips.

maradong

Jun 16, 2003, 06:11 AM

Originally posted by Abstract
The 970 will be announced during MMNY, not WWDC. ;) During WWDC, they'll tell us that there is going to be something BIG for MMNY, and this will be the 970. They'll announce Panther during WWDC, but the 970 PM and possibly new 970 PB's during MMNY. The 15" PB needs a refresher. ;)
my opinion as well.
it might just be to early for the 970 s chip to run stable during the demonstration. 64 bit computing is a big bunch of work as well for the hardware people as for the software people. Give them the time to do it well. Because we all know that if they will release it it will be ready, not like on peeeceees where everything is not that kind of stable with the opertons and so on..

Mr. Anderson

Jun 16, 2003, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by Abstract
The 970 will be announced during MMNY, not WWDC. ;) During WWDC, they'll tell us that there is going to be something BIG for MMNY, and this will be the 970. They'll announce Panther during WWDC, but the 970 PM and possibly new 970 PB's during MMNY. The 15" PB needs a refresher. ;)

That would be about as bad as not announcing it. Its been a long time coming, everyone knows the Mac is in serious need of an update. They'll have to offer something other than promises....it would be way to costly otherwise.

And the keynote would be a sad day indeed if it were to happen....:(

D

toughboy

Jun 16, 2003, 08:31 AM

I miss the days, when I was so proud of the macs, their speeds and ease of use and etc was awesome..

I miss the days which my PCer friends could not build up a better PC then a professional-line Mac in anyhow..

Can Mr. Jobs remind me those days... :(

MacsRgr8

Jun 16, 2003, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
That would be about as bad as not announcing it. Its been a long time coming, everyone knows the Mac is in serious need of an update. They'll have to offer something other than promises....it would be way to costly otherwise.

And the keynote would be a sad day indeed if it were to happen....:(

D

I agree with this.
I'm afraid that if Apple isn't able to announce the G5 on the 23rd, there will be such negative publicity.
Everyone knows that Apple's hardware is behind PC's, ever since Moto was stuck @ 500 Mhz.
"We" are expecting/hoping somekind of G5 (Moto 8500, or something else) ever since last year's MWSF. This time everyone is talking about the 970 being Apple's new 64 bit CPU, which will at least level Apple with the Wintel world, speedwize (OS-wize we are by far in the lead anyway :) ).
Letting another major Apple-event go by without this crucial introduction, just could be going one event too far. People are tired of waiting... Even Pixar (remember?)

yzedf

Jun 16, 2003, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by strider42
Its nearly impossible that panther will be a 64 bit OS. If the 970 comes out, it will assuredly only be on the powermacs. That represents only a portio of their sales. If its a 64 bit OS, it would only run a 64 bit processor. That means it wouldn't run on the iMacs, iBooks, or powerbooks. Whats more, it wouldn't run on any machine produced earlier. Basically it would be an OS that runs on maybe 25% of the machines that would be want to run it. Does that sound like good business. What does apple do about the rest of their product line, even if they did totally abandon older (even slightly older) machines. Its absolutely unfeasible for panther to be a 64 bit OS. Its possible it could have some 64 bit optimizations, but its going to run ont he rest of product line.

A 64 bit OS requires a 64 bit processor. a 64 bit processor does not require a 64 bit OS when its backwards compatible with 32 bit.
I seriously doubt that Panther (10.3) will be 64bit. That is worth more than a minor upgrade if you ask me. (10.2.x -> 10.3.x) My guess is no true 64bit-ness until OS XI.

What do you all think???

prewwii

Jun 16, 2003, 10:03 AM

It will get expensive if the 970 does not arrive. As low cost as PC's are there is still all that software to replace... expensive.

It will be time to decide, do we cut the line or keep dragging this anchor.

For two years or so we have been getting dribbles of 20...30% more speed to the point where a dual what ever Mac sucks hind tit to a single Pentium toaster in a Photoshop bake off. Time is money for the graphics folks... that can't go on for long.

Sounds like Micro$oft is getting ready to cut the cord on Office as soon as the dust clears from cutting internet explorer loose.

What market will Mac have left to sell into with compatibility of documents gone and speed of graphics gone?

The computing industry is creating boat anchors everytime a faster machine is brought to market. There has to be a smaller and smaller market for Mac's that are relatively becoming slower and slower as performance of other machines improves.

If there isn't a 970 on the 23rd it might be a good time sell Apple short.

MacBoyX

Jun 16, 2003, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by prewwii

Sounds like Micro$oft is getting ready to cut the cord on Office as soon as the dust clears from cutting internet explorer loose.

What have you been SMOKING?

There's no way on earth Microsoft is dropping Office. It makes them plenty of money. The IE thing is because MS is doing the same to the Windows Version.

There will be no version of IE released standalone anymore. It will simply be integrated into the OS.

MS will not drop Office any time soon.

sedarby

Jun 16, 2003, 12:24 PM

ddtlm

Jun 16, 2003, 12:30 PM

prewwii:

Sounds like Micro$oft is getting ready to cut the cord on Office as soon as the dust clears from cutting internet explorer loose.
This would quickly lead to Apple creating a compeditor to Office, probably based on Open Office or similar (as OSX is based on free stuff, and Safari is based on free stuff). Microsoft's monopoly position in the corporate world probably rests as much on Office as it does on Windows and if Apple generates a credible alternative, well then thats bad. Espectially if Apple ended up contributing back to a free project and strengthening Linux in the process.

Abstract

Jun 16, 2003, 12:40 PM

solvs

Jun 16, 2003, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by Abstract
All I meant is that SJ has to announce SOMETHING at MWNY, and the 970 would make perfect sense.;) MWNY isn't too far away, y'know. Just a month.

I was under the impression that Steve wouldn't be making a keynote address at MWNY in July. There's a September show and a January show (possibly). Do we know yet if SJ is keynoting those?

Originally posted by strider42
Its absolutely unfeasible for panther to be a 64 bit OS. Its possible it could have some 64 bit optimizations, but its going to run ont he rest of product line.

Here's hoping the 970 is at least announced in something. And that Pather has a 64-bit compatiblilty (it can still be installed on older chips, the software with the new machines will probably be optimised). If not now, when?

MacBoyX

Jun 16, 2003, 01:47 PM

I doubt we'll see the 970 unveiled at the NY MacWorld thingy....I don't see Steve and his ego letting the VP of hardware development have that honor!

Macboyx

Dont Hurt Me

Jun 16, 2003, 01:49 PM

How do you come out and say here is our 64 bit OS but have no 64 bit capable machines to show it? Answer you dont.

Abstract

Jun 16, 2003, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by MacBoyX
I doubt we'll see the 970 unveiled at the NY MacWorld thingy....I don't see Steve and his ego letting the VP of hardware development have that honor!

Macboyx

Well, the VP of hardware is in charge of announcing something new concerning hardware, but yeah, SJ would never let the honour of announcing the 970's go to someone other than himself.

I wonder what the VP will announce? New updated Powerbooks? Its due for an update, especially the 15". Yeah, thats got to be it.

MacsRgr8

Jun 16, 2003, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by solvs
I was under the impression that Steve wouldn't be making a keynote address at MWNY in July. There's a September show and a January show (possibly). Do we know yet if SJ is keynoting those?

I hope he does the September show. That'll be MWParis. I have already registered to that, including the keynote!

noel4r

Jun 16, 2003, 03:13 PM

they will lose a ton of business if they dont announce any new hardware..... oh well, i guess they lose another 1/10th of 1 percent market share...

mactastic

Jun 16, 2003, 04:59 PM

Steve Jobs is giving the keynote right? In a room full of people who know darn well that apple needs new processors in the worst way. He won't make it out in one piece if he doesn't come up with some 970 Powermacs. I personally don't think SJ would risk his hide like this without knowing he could produce the goods. I don't know if that means we will be able to go buy 970 PM's right away, but shortly thereafter is what I think. If he says anything over six weeks, he'll probably want to duck right away.