What new features do you want in "PANTHER" 10.3

[daveg5]

I will keep it simple, as none of these are really needed but will help make you more productive and give easier navigation to the desktop.
1. OS9 style window shade double click in sys prefs.
2. tear off minime dock appswitcher of open apps OS9 style
3. shaded areas on the side of open windows and bottom
that will allow you to grab and move windows there
instead of top only.
4. a version of www.codetek.com virtual desltop to allow you
to have multple screens open with diff apps in each.
this will make small screen owners happy and dual monitor users more productive. download and try
you will never go back
5. choce of 3 interfaces, simplified for most speed, aqua, and extrem aqua for dual and 970 owners with more animations and graphic highlights.
6. new code to make it easier for developers to add altivec optimizations, dual cpu support and multi threading in thier apps
7. add more sherlock channels and faster browsing
8.video and voice chat for games and apps
9. add apple's version of widgets http://www.konfabulator.com/ too cool
10. a price of no more then $49 for ( Jag owners) $99 full retail. I own 10-10.1-10.2. if 10.3 is $129 that will be almost $400 in 3 years on just the OS (no apps), no wonder so many people still use OS9
there you have it what's yours

[matthew24]

Direct login on a Windows domain including AD

[blogo]

Artifical Intelligence

[whfsdude]

Cat like reflexes!

[maradong]

piles,
snappier ui

[yzedf]

FTP that atually works right...?

[RBMaraman]

1. iChat 2.0
2. Simple audio recording app (Possibly an iApp?)
3. Safari 1.0

[jimthorn]

Originally posted by yzedf
FTP that atually works right...?

Yes! Make it faster, and for God's sake, more stable.

Oh, and uh, iChat 2 with video, Mail 2, and a couple of new Apps we don't know about yet that can help justify another $129 price tag. And for the record, I'm still not seeing this whole Piles thing. :confused:

[AppleMatt]

Fast UI
Much improved Quartz Extreme
SIMPLE multi-session burning built into finder
Faster boot-up
Windowshade
Faster mouse preference

and, most importantly for me:

STREAMLINED/INTEGRATED UPDATES (Windows users will know what I mean)

AppleMatt

edit: Also like things such as maintenance routines, fsck etc to be a lot simpler for 'novice' users, I can't add up the amount of time I've spent explaining these. Oh and bringing about of world peace (someone had to say it)

[solvs]

You know, most people are so focused on the 970, we've barely talked about 10.3.

Just goes to show you how happy people are with 10.2, but unhappy with the G4. If it is $129 for upgraders, even from 10.2 (which, lets hope it's not), it better have more than just eye candy and 64-but compatibility. Most people would still stick with 10.2 (or 9), unless the new software becomes 10.3 only. Even then probably.

Here's hoping it's only $20 (or free) for users of 10.2.

[phenolot]

You know about "Roll bars"?

The NBT after the well known scroll bars...

I have a short QT movie, but I do not know if it's fake (I must not publish it anyway). It shows something that could come with Panther. Let me describe:

Instead of the vertical scrollbars (or additionally?) you have horizontal bars attached to a window. In my screenshot they look pretty much like the aqua "helical" progress-meter, however with an additional orange-ish glow. In contrast to scrollbars, they are not at the side of the window, they are placable anywhere over the window content. When they are active (glowing), the mouse cannot cross them, instead, the mouse pointer is animated to be "wrapped around" the bar. At the same time, the window content is moved in the opposite direction!

Just imagin the ease of use! Whenever you want to move to a point in the document outside the currently viewable part, you move the mouse just in the correct direction and just by the correct distance and you will be there!

I deeply wish this is not just a fake!

[vniow]

Originally posted by phenolot
You know about "Roll bars"?

Sounds interesting..there's no way you can link us or something?

[Royal Pineapple]

Originally posted by phenolot
You know about "Roll bars"?

The NBT after the well known scroll bars...

I have a short QT movie, but I do not know if it's fake (I must not publish it anyway). It shows something that could come with Panther. Let me describe:

Instead of the vertical scrollbars (or additionally?) you have horizontal bars attached to a window. In my screenshot they look pretty much like the aqua "helical" progress-meter, however with an additional orange-ish glow. In contrast to scrollbars, they are not at the side of the window, they are placable anywhere over the window content. When they are active (glowing), the mouse cannot cross them, instead, the mouse pointer is animated to be "wrapped around" the bar. At the same time, the window content is moved in the opposite direction!

Just imagin the ease of use! Whenever you want to move to a point in the document outside the currently viewable part, you move the mouse just in the correct direction and just by the correct distance and you will be there!

I deeply wish this is not just a fake!
i would really love to see this movie

[tjwett]

I'd like to see the Mail app completely rebuilt because it sucks so bad right now. I'd like to see a GUI preference pane with a few themes to choose from, I hate Aqua! And it's so slow. I could even deal with 100% metal. I think all the iApps should be metal, as well as all the Apple software, even AppleWorks, etc. Everything.

[jelloshotsrule]

how does mail suck exactly?

just curious why you hate it so much

[MacAztec]

I love mail. Its junk blocking is great. I get like 20 Junk letters a day, and everytime, they go straight to my junkmail box!

[MacBandit]

Multiple user logins that don't require me to quit my open apps when I logout. As long as we have that after a shutdown or restart I want my desktop windows apps everything to come up exactly as they were when I shutdown. I don't care if it means it takes longer to startup.

[tjwett]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
how does mail suck exactly?

just curious why you hate it so much

I have LOTS of trouble with mail and my .Mac account all the time. And from what I've seen over at the Apple boards, lots of others are having the same problems. Atleast once a day Mail decides it doesn't know my password anymore and asks me for it infinitely until I just give up and choose "Send Later". Also, if I bring my PowerBook over to my girlfriend's house Mail won't retrieve or send anything via dial-up. My friends will get returned messages saying that they are blocked from my account when they aren't, no one is. Mail likes to spontaneously create new mailboxes, and sub mail boxes out of the blue. And everytime I open Mail it has created a new Trash folder inside my regular one for no reason. Plus lots of other little annoyances. I've had all these problems since Jaguar and the problems span 3 different machines so I'm pretty confident it's a case of crappy software. Anyway...deep breath.:)

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by tjwett
I have LOTS of trouble with mail and my .Mac account all the time. And from what I've seen over at the Apple boards, lots of others are having the same problems. Atleast once a day Mail decides it doesn't know my password anymore and asks me for it infinitely until I just give up and choose "Send Later". Also, if I bring my PowerBook over to my girlfriend's house Mail won't retrieve or send anything via dial-up. My friends will get returned messages saying that they are blocked from my account when they aren't, no one is. Mail likes to spontaneously create new mailboxes, and sub mail boxes out of the blue. And everytime I open Mail it has created a new Trash folder inside my regular one for no reason. Plus lots of other little annoyances. I've had all these problems since Jaguar and the problems span 3 different machines so I'm pretty confident it's a case of crappy software. Anyway...deep breath.:)


Wow that is a series of problems. The folders within the trash folders are not errors though it is supposed to create subfolders for each account under each main folder including the trash. Also each account will have it's own subfolder. For me that means .Mac and my other two email addresses all have their own sub-mail boxes. You don't have to look at them if you don't want to just hit the little triangle on the main folder and close the set. Also the .Mac issue has nothing to do with mail it has to do with .Mac servers going down for maintenance or otherwise. Next time it doesn't connect go to .Mac Support and on their main page it will have an explanation saying that their is some problem and that their are a few people that can't get so and so. As for connecting on your friends modems I don't know what the issue is their it's most likely setting though probably at the system level.

[daveg5]

discount for new cpu buyers and jag users

[robbieduncan]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Multiple user logins that don't require me to quit my open apps when I logout. As long as we have that after a shutdown or restart I want my desktop windows apps everything to come up exactly as they were when I shutdown. I don't care if it means it takes longer to startup.

This is not really mutliple user login as you are logging out. The Unix/Linux graphical enviroment term for this is Session memory. KDE for example rembers all the apps you have open, where they are the documents you have open when you logout. When you log back in it starts them all up as they were.

[Schiffi]

Originally posted by yzedf
FTP that atually works right...?

At least I'm not the only one that doesn't have this problem.


And I like Mail.app. It's not as bloated as Outlook on a PC.

[gopher]

First off if there are features you want in 10.3, be sure to submit them here:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback , otherwise they won't be considered.

Secondly here's what I'd like to see:

1. Find File in all open save dialog boxes

2. Classic have full hardware compatibility that it has when booting into Mac OS 9.

3. Go menu's Connect To server allow me to connect to any Linux FTP server over the web I have authentication with. Presently many I connect to treat the server as write-protected on all folders

4. iChat be compatible with Yahoo, MSN, and IRC chatrooms and instant messanging, and their video and voice protocols as well as offline messanging

5. Built-in voice over IP telephony with internet to telephone connectivity allowing me to place free long distance phone calls. Would be a great addition to .Mac!

6. Discount for purchasing .Mac when purchasing Panther, or discount for being a .Mac member when purchasing Panther.

7. Ability to turn Quartz Rendering off.

8. Mail have an attachments folder in the Finder in case attachments are encoded in a way that Mail doesn't understand and lets you use other programs to decode attachments.

9. Keep the preview's Open Save dialog box's multiple view options! That's great. Make sure that you have options to add columns list views in Open/Save dialog boxes.

10. Finder should become a transparent part of Open/Save dialog boxes. In other words make the Finder non-existent, and only access it from Open/Save dialog boxes.

11. Keep the ability to create keyboard shortcuts like the preview is showing.

12. Built-in sound recording to MP3 capabilities.

[Billicus]

1. The ability to lock login items!

[kishba]

i'd like the dock to be revamped a bit... mainly just letting spring loaded folders work with it (dragging a file onto a short cut for a home directory, for example, would simply open the contextual menu and let you navigate the sub folders)

[Mac til death]

Originally posted by daveg5
discount for new cpu buyers and jag users

This is my biggest request! these $129 updates are tough! At least give us 1 free 10.x update for free since we went and spent $130 on Jag. If Apple did this or at least gave a significant discount for Jag users, I wouldn't have a problem paying $130 for 10.4...


Anyway, that's just me addressing my personal feelings about it. I'm a new college student and I had to pay $129 for Jag (I was a senior in HS at the time) and even though I get a student discount, I need all the money I can get.



Lastly, a built in FTP revamp would be a godsend.

[gopher]

Originally posted by Mac til death
This is my biggest request! these $129 updates are tough! At least give us 1 free 10.x update for free since we went and spent $130 on Jag. If Apple did this or at least gave a significant discount for Jag users, I wouldn't have a problem paying $130 for 10.4...


Anyway, that's just me addressing my personal feelings about it. I'm a new college student and I had to pay $129 for Jag (I was a senior in HS at the time) and even though I get a student discount, I need all the money I can get.



Lastly, a built in FTP revamp would be a godsend.

College and elementary and high school students only pay $70 for the operating system from the Apple Store for education.

Apple will in all likelihood follow its mantra from the past:

1. Offer $20 upgrade package to the next operating system within a month, and maybe longer before the actual release of the operating system. This is their up-to-date program. Essentially if you buy a computer a month or less prior to the release of the new operating system to retail, it is only $20.

2. It will continue to offer the upgrade package of $20 up to three months after the release of the new operating system to those who buy new machines that had been in the warehouse prior to the release of the operating system. I.e. if they release the operating system retail December 1st, you could probably buy a new machine from November 1st to February first and be able to get the $20 upgrade package. These dates are completely arbitrary, and based on the pattern Apple has released operating system upgrades in the past. Once Apple releases a specific release date, you can probably hope for an up-to-date program to begin at that time.

3. Of course if your machine left the factory after December 1st or whatever the release date is, it would have the operating system freely on it with full install disks.

4. Full install disks will probably be the only way you can do an install from scratch, or an Archive and Install which is described on <http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107120>. Hopefully Apple will be able to offer Archive and Install on the upgrade disks mentioned in 1 and 2, and I would hope everyone here submits feedback to Apple to suggest that they should <http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback>. This really helps in troubleshooting system wide preference issues.

[Daveman Deluxe]

My wishes for Panther:

1. Good FTP support in the Finder. The only problem with that is then I wouldn't use Terminal for my FTP needs, so I couldn't impress my friends with how much I use UNIX.

2. Better public APIs for the Dock and Menulets for developers. Specifically, I'd like multiple docks to work like the single dock does (cool animations, etc.) and I'd like third-party Menulets to be draggable just like the first-party Menulets.

3. More speed.

4. The ability to make womens' skirts fly up via AirPort when I walk past. ;)

Edit: I really hate UBBCode.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by Daveman Deluxe
Edit: I really hate UBBCode.

Good thing we're on vBulletin. ;)

[Daveman Deluxe]

Bite me, Mr. Semantics. :rolleyes:

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by Daveman Deluxe
Bite me, Mr. Semantics. :rolleyes:

Just having some fun, Mr. Deluxe. :p

Lighten up. :rolleyes:
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As far as my Panther wishes go, speed and stability are mainly it. FTP improvements would be welcome, too.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by robbieduncan
This is not really mutliple user login as you are logging out. The Unix/Linux graphical enviroment term for this is Session memory. KDE for example rembers all the apps you have open, where they are the documents you have open when you logout. When you log back in it starts them all up as they were.

Well as I understand the OSX fast user switching it keeps your apps running so in affect it IS multiple user logging. Instead of having a bunch of users logged in at once though and leaving each user open to be tampered with by any other user after switching OSX locks the user account that was switched from but still continues to run the processes for that account.

[robbieduncan]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Well as I understand the OSX fast user switching it keeps your apps running so in affect it IS multiple user logging. Instead of having a bunch of users logged in at once though and leaving each user open to be tampered with by any other user after switching OSX locks the user account that was switched from but still continues to run the processes for that account.

It does. I'm running Panther now and have tried it. But the poster I replied to specifically mentioned logging off and having the system remember the state of his apps. I would like this in addition to Fast User Switching. Even better would be the ability to save the state to disk so I could shut down my iBook (for flying say) and have it start up with all my apps exactly as they were before (including half finished tasks starting from exactly where they were).

[iNari Rachs!]

There are many things which would be welcome fixes/conveniences, but my number one thing is for the Finder to be able to handle very large numbers of files.
For example, I routinely have to sort folders that contain hundreds of files, moving them from folder to folder...X is freekin' horrendous at this, even on a dual 1.25 machine. I have even seen the beachball when trying to move LESS than a hundred files...this is so ridiculous that I must re-boot into 9 just to do my sorting, and that's the ONLY reason I keep a 9.2 partition. Unbelievable. I don't understand what the problem is; I suspect that this is a byproduct of UNIX, and that there may be considerable work that has to happen to make the Finder function acceptably. Fixing this one problem will finally allow me to work in X 100% of the time. Of all the things I can think of to improve, only the Finder stands out in my mind as a Priority-One, Code-Red issue...

[benixau]

Finder is pretty good. It can load 600 odd files (my prefs folder) in about seven seconds first time in the session and about one second there after.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by robbieduncan
It does. I'm running Panther now and have tried it. But the poster I replied to specifically mentioned logging off and having the system remember the state of his apps. I would like this in addition to Fast User Switching. Even better would be the ability to save the state to disk so I could shut down my iBook (for flying say) and have it start up with all my apps exactly as they were before (including half finished tasks starting from exactly where they were).

Agreed having at least desktop preservation would be fantastic now if it would also save your place in processes too that would be great. Apple had a function similar to this in beta versions of OS9 but chose not to implement it in the final versions. It preserved the volatile memory so startup was like 4 seconds instead of a minute on the machines back then. I don't really care if it saves all the volatile memory I think it would be cool if it even had to reload the apps as long as it were capable of continuing where it left off.

[BWhaler]

I like a lot of the ideas mentioned, but I think the biggest whole in the OS right now is iCal. It is embarassingly bad.

I would use Entourage if it weren't for the proprietary file format. I suffer with iCal.

[MacBandit]

I sent in a suggestion a week or two ago through the Apple Backup suggestion link. What it said was basically I think that Backup should keep a log of what was backed up on CD or DVD and have a way to compare those items to the current drive state and give you a way to just backup the changed and new items to disk.

I don't like retrospect because it uses backup sets which requires you to decompress or reinstall the whole set. I haven't seen a way to see what's inside a set and just reinstall one item. That's creates a lot of work for such a simple task. Apples Backup actually backs up the individual files so I can restore just what I want to. I just wish it did apps. Maybe someone will hack it so it will. Oh, well for now I just backup my shareware manually.

[vollspacken]

spring loaded dock and improved mail app

vSpacken

[DavidFDM]

I have 2 monitors. Sometimes I'll put an app's window on the monitor w/o the menu bar on it. This necessitates a long sweep of the mouse to access menus. I would like for there to be a menu bar on both my monitors.

- David

[cr2sh]

I was just looking at movie showtimes in sherlock and i thought it'd be nice if there was a direct link to reviews of the movie. also a "favorite theatres" link would be nice...

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by DavidFDM
I have 2 monitors. Sometimes I'll put an app's window on the monitor w/o the menu bar on it. This necessitates a long sweep of the mouse to access menus. I would like for there to be a menu bar on both my monitors.

- David

what would be really cool is if the menu bar just jumped from one screen to the next based on where your mouse was along with say with a mouse button combination or key combination. You could have one screen say all to a window with no wasted space from the menu bar but if you needed the menu bar you could hit the space bar and click the left mouse button at the same time and the menu bar would jump to that screen.