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Thomas Veil
Apr 10, 2007, 10:46 AM
Well. We're used to criticizing Ohio, but it looks like the new sheriff in town (Democratic Gov. Ted Strickland) is doing something smart.

LOS ANGELES -- In an emerging revolt against abstinence-only sex education, states are turning down millions of dollars in federal grants, unwilling to accept White House dictates that the money be used for classes focused almost exclusively on teaching chastity.

In Ohio, Governor Ted Strickland said that regardless of the state's sluggish economic picture, he simply did not see the point in taking part in the controversial State Abstinence Education Grant program anymore.

Five other states -- Connecticut, Rhode Island, Montana, New Jersey, and Wisconsin -- have dropped out of the program or plan to do by the end of the year. The program is managed by a unit of the US Department of Heath and Human Service.

Strickland, like most of the other governors who are pulling the plug on the funding, said in pulling out of the program last month that it has too many restrictions and rules to be practical.

Among other things, the money cannot be used to promote condom or contraceptive use and requires teachers to emphasize ideas such as bearing children outside of wedlock is harmful to society and "likely to have harmful psychological and physical effects."

And, according to the governor's spokesman, Keith Dailey, Strickland sees little evidence that the program has been effective.

"We've spent millions of dollars on such education since Ohio first started getting grant money in 1998," Dailey said. "If the state is going to spend money on teaching and protecting kids, the governor believes it's better to spend it in a smarter, more comprehensive approach."

That states are declining such funding alarms abstinence-only groups, which insist that cutting off this source of revenue will close dozens of nonprofit sex education groups and undermine the progress they have made to fight teen pregnancy and curtail the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.
States have used the money to help public and private schools start and run educational programs, develop classroom instruction for nonprofit groups, and pay for advertising and other media campaigns.

"There are kids who don't want to know how to put on a condom, because they don't want to have sex," said Leslee Unruh, president and chief executive of the South Dakota-based National Abstinence Clearinghouse, the nation's largest network of abstinence educators. "So why can't kids who want to abstain have equal time, funding, and education in the classroom as kids who are having sex?"Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/04/09/states_refraining_from_abstinence_only_sex_education/)

That last part, of course, is completely disingenuous. No state that I know of is forbidding teaching abstinence; they are only advocating teaching other methods as well.



halfprep455
Apr 10, 2007, 03:44 PM
All public schools should be requires to teach a comprehensive sex education that is mandatory for all students over the age of 14. The sex ed program should include proper condom use, proper usage and facts about other contraceptives. Schools should assist students in being able to obtain condoms, birth control pills, emergency contreceptives, and other forms of birth control. However, schools should teach that adstinence is perfectly normal and is the only 100% way to protect against STD's. The reason this should be mandatory is in the intrest of public health. Teens are going to have sex wether you want them too or not. Afre people so naive as to think that Teens take the abstince only education seriously? Trust me teens will find ways to have sex and completly ignore the abstince only BS. Dosent the government realize that the abstinence program has failed miserabuly?

emw
Apr 10, 2007, 04:04 PM
"There are kids who don't want to know how to put on a condom, because they don't want to have sex," said Leslee Unruh, president and chief executive of the South Dakota-based National Abstinence Clearinghouse, the nation's largest network of abstinence educators. "So why can't kids who want to abstain have equal time, funding, and education in the classroom as kids who are having sex?"So if kids aren't having sex, and don't want to have sex, then why is she concerned with giving them all sorts of educational materials on not having sex.

They're not the ones we need to "worry" about, right?

SMM
Apr 10, 2007, 04:27 PM
All public schools should be requires to teach a comprehensive sex education that is mandatory for all students over the age of 14. The sex ed program should include proper condom use, proper usage and facts about other contraceptives. Schools should assist students in being able to obtain condoms, birth control pills, emergency contreceptives, and other forms of birth control. However, schools should teach that adstinence is perfectly normal and is the only 100% way to protect against STD's. The reason this should be mandatory is in the intrest of public health. Teens are going to have sex wether you want them too or not. Afre people so naive as to think that Teens take the abstince only education seriously? Trust me teens will find ways to have sex and completly ignore the abstince only BS. Dosent the government realize that the abstinence program has failed miserabuly?

I have always been amazed how some people support the notion that pretending something does not exist will make it go away. Unfortunately, this seems to be the basis for many conservative policy decisions. Ignore reality, create a program which has zero chance of succeeding, pass federal laws to punish any offenders and create a whole new class of criminal.

I was listening to a classic rock FM station awhile back. They were playing "Don't bogart that joint my friend". They cut-out so much of the song, I wondered why they even tried to play it. This has no direct bearing on the topic, but is just another example of how a powerful minority completely misses the boat; do not let kids know about things and they will not do them. Right.....

mkrishnan
Apr 10, 2007, 04:31 PM
So if kids aren't having sex, and don't want to have sex, then why is she concerned with giving them all sorts of educational materials on not having sex.

They're not the ones we need to "worry" about, right?

Crazy idea that kids should know how to be safe *before* they actually have sex... :rolleyes: P.S. can we move drivers' education to, say, age 25, with licenses given out at 18?

emw
Apr 10, 2007, 04:35 PM
Crazy idea that kids should know how to be safe *before* they actually have sex... :rolleyes:My point being that if kids are already abstaining, sex ed on abstinence seems wasted on them.

mkrishnan
Apr 10, 2007, 04:38 PM
My point being that if kids are already abstaining, sex ed on abstinence seems wasted on them.

Oh, I agree, well, sort of. I was just embellishing that point with the observation that, of kids not having sex, some will continue to not want to have sex, and some will have sex. It's beneficial to teach the latter group safe sex skills before they have sex. It might possibly also be beneficial to explicitly respect / encourage the decision of those currently abstaining. That's a different ballgame than trying to use education to inspire abstinence in kids who *do* want to have sex.

zimv20
Apr 10, 2007, 04:39 PM
can we move drivers' education to, say, age 25, with licenses given out at 18?

heh heh.

then maybe we can ship soldiers to iraq before they're trained or armed.

emw
Apr 10, 2007, 04:41 PM
Oh, I agree, well, sort of. I was just embellishing that point with the observation that, of kids not having sex, some will continue to not want to have sex, and some will have sex. It's beneficial to teach the latter group safe sex skills before they have sex. It might possibly also be beneficial to explicitly respect / encourage the decision of those currently abstaining. That's a different ballgame than trying to use education to inspire abstinence in kids who *do* want to have sex.Ah, yes. I do agree that teaching safe sex practices is important, regardless of if the students are currently having sex or not.

FreeState
Apr 10, 2007, 04:45 PM
I view abstinence only as religious intolerance. If the religious right, that is pushing for abstinence only, sees marriage as heterosexual only, then they are using their religion to deny education and rights to those who do not plan to marry or can not because they are not hetro.

solvs
Apr 11, 2007, 02:12 AM
Most people don't seem to realize you can opt out your children if you don't want them learning about sex. Of course, you could teach them about it your self, but I wonder if the same people who want to opt out don't want to discuss it with their kids.

I knew a couple of people like that in high school. One of them was really screwed up. The other got pregnant Junior year.

Desertrat
Apr 11, 2007, 11:53 AM
"The other got pregnant Junior year."

That's 'cause she got in the back seat, or didn't keep one foot on the floor.

:D, 'Rat