Apple Delays Leopard Release

[rdowns]

Apple Inc (AAPL:NASDAQ)


Apple Statement




PR Newswire 4:30 pm April 12, 2007


Apple today released the following statement:

iPhone has already passed several of its required certification tests and is on schedule to ship in late June as planned. We can't wait until customers get their hands (and fingers) on it and experience what a revolutionary and magical product it is. However, iPhone contains the most sophisticated software ever shipped on a mobile device, and finishing it on time has not come without a price -- we had to borrow some key software engineering and QA resources from our Mac OS(R) X team, and as a result we will not be able to release Leopard at our Worldwide Developers Conference in early June as planned. While Leopard's features will be complete by then, we cannot deliver the quality release that we and our customers expect from us. We now plan to show our developers a near final version of Leopard at the conference, give them a beta copy to take home so they can do their f inal testing, and ship Leopard in October. We think it will be well worth the wait. Life often presents tradeoffs, and in this case we're sure we've made the right ones.

NOTE: Apple, the Apple logo, Mac, Mac OS, Macintosh and iPhone are trademarks of Apple. Other company and product names may be trademarks of their respective owners.

SOURCE Apple Inc.

Lynn Fox, +1-408-974-4300, or lfox@apple.com, or Steve Dowling, +1-408-974-1896, or dowling@apple.com, both of Apple http://www.apple.com/



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[faintember]

Pulling people off of OS 10.5 development to help with a phone...

Brilliant

[xUKHCx]

Where did you find this?

That is a bummer. October seems to be a long time after June. It's like 3 -4 months. Which was about the time it took apple to go from 10.4.0 to 10.4.2.

[Dale Sorel]

Pulling people off of OS 10.5 development to help with a phone...

Brilliant

No doubt :rolleyes:

[mac-er]

I like how they start off the release with...Hey, the iPhone is great, and oh, by the way, OS X is delayed.

And, let's make sure there are no hypocrites here. Everyone that have MS crap about Vista being delayed should now do the same for Apple.

Or, let's here the complaining about how the Mac is being abandoned.

[rdowns]

It came in an email from my brokerage house. I receive numerous emails each day about Apple.

I wish this were spam.

Makes sense though. A delayed iPhone would be a huge blow to Apple given all the hype. A delayed Leopard much less so.

EDIT: Here's a PDF of the email

[szark]

Definitely not great news, but it's official. More waiting for everyone...


EDIT: isn't it amusing that Apple's PR releases always show up on their site after every other news site has reported it?

[johnee]

great. :mad:

looks like this came from some financial meeting/disclosure

[mjstew33]

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070412/sfth056.html?.v=87

[johnee]

I like how they start off the release with...Hey, the iPhone is great, and oh, by the way, OS X is delayed.

And, let's make sure there are no hypocrites here. Everyone that have MS crap about Vista being delayed should now do the same for Apple.

Or, let's here the complaining about how the Mac is being abandoned.

iphone will make them tons of money, leopard won't

[faintember]

Makes sense though. A delayed iPhone would be a huge blow to Apple given all the hype. A delayed Leopard much less so.Please tell me you are being sarcastic...

[mac-er]

iphone will make them tons of money, leopard won't

You really need to read the financial results of the company..these OS releases result in huge amounts of money for the company. Millions more copies of the OS will sell over the iPhone.

[mustard]

So how many people are still going to wait to buy a new system until Leopard is released?

[hyperpasta]

There goes the stock price. :(

Of course, looking on the bright side, we now know for sure that we'll see the top secret features shown at WWDC. Unless that gets delayed too.

Now where will iLife fit in? Ugggghhh...

[Allotriophagy]

It's surprising that removing "Computer" from their name was not followed up by replacing it with "Gadgets and Gizmos Only".

Cue all the "SHOULD I WAIT UNTIL OCTOBER TO BUY A NEW MAC?????" threads. Release the hounds of bore!

[PlaceofDis]

So how many people are still going to wait to buy a new system until Leopard is released?

probably a lot less.

interesting new. although not totally surprising given the lack of developer seeds speeding up.

[mac-er]

So how many people are still going to wait to buy a new system until Leopard is released?

There is already a pause in system buying. The stock will take a big hit tomorrow. It has already lost 2% in after hours trading

[rdowns]

Please tell me you are being sarcastic...

Are you kidding me? When they announced the iPhone, it was reported on for days by every news organization, TV news, Internet news. Soft news shows did 5 minute iPhone puff pieces. If Apple announced it wouldn't ship when they said it would, it would knock Imus off the front pages of newspapers.

A delayed Leopard will not have nearly that effect.

[johnee]

You really need to read the financial results of the company..these OS releases result in huge amounts of money for the company. Millions more copies of the OS will sell over the iPhone.

really? ok.

then they are under contractual obligation to deliver iphone to cingular on a certain date.

(i can come up with many more plausible reasons... :) )

[BigJohno]

What the hell Apple. Dont turn into microsoft and delay and delay and delay!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


although. Nice to hear that the iPhone is still on track. :)

[jaw04005]

Well I think this shows where Apple's priorities are.

[Plymouthbreezer]

This is pretty lame.

[MacRumors]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Apple has today announced (http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070412/sfth056.html) that the release of MacOS X 10.5 Leopard will be delayed until October due to the development of iPhone. iPhone contains the most sophisticated software ever shipped on a mobile device, and finishing it on time has not come without a price -- we had to borrow some key software engineering and QA resources from our Mac OS® X team, and as a result we will not be able to release Leopard at our Worldwide Developers Conference in early June as planned.Developers will be given a beta copy of Leopard at the Worldwide Developers Conference in early June.

[johnee]

Are you kidding me? When they announced the iPhone, it was reported on for days by every news organization, TV news, Internet news. Soft news shows did 5 minute iPhone puff pieces. If Apple announced it wouldn't ship when they said it would, it would knock Imus off the front pages of newspapers.

A delayed Leopard will not have nearly that effect.

THANK YOU!

What I should have said earlier was that apple's stock would nose dive if the phone was delayed. Your blurb captured that perfectly.

[aricher]

Ouch! This is horrible news. So much for a spring delivery. I guess they expect to make more off the iPhone ecosystem than their desktop/portable OS.

[glennp]

Straight from the horses mouth:

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/

Apple Statement
iPhone has already passed several of its required certification tests and is on schedule to ship in late June as planned. We can’t wait until customers get their hands (and fingers) on it and experience what a revolutionary and magical product it is. However, iPhone contains the most sophisticated software ever shipped on a mobile device, and finishing it on time has not come without a price — we had to borrow some key software engineering and QA resources from our Mac OS X team, and as a result we will not be able to release Leopard at our Worldwide Developers Conference in early June as planned. While Leopard's features will be complete by then, we cannot deliver the quality release that we and our customers expect from us. We now plan to show our developers a near final version of Leopard at the conference, give them a beta copy to take home so they can do their final testing, and ship Leopard in October. We think it will be well worth the wait. Life often presents tradeoffs, and in this case we're sure we've made the right ones. [Apr 12, 2007]

[iW00t]

Is this an April's fools joke? :eek:

[MacSyn]

People are got gonna be happy to hear this...

[williedigital]

sell stock fast

[Zwhaler]

How depressing! I was really hoping for a Spring release. That means I will have to wait until October to buy a Mac with Leopard on it....

[JoeJoe]

Nice spin.;)

Hire some more workers. :p

[puckhead193]

dam this is bad PR for apple......
i hate updating OS during my semester, so this is bad news. on the other hand, the iphone OS will be sweeeeeeeeeeeeet
I hope their not gonna do a vista thing and have it out June of 2008. I guess will get a release date at MWSF

[Cobe]

I guess it is better to have it later running right than sooner. :(

[netdog]

It's a long cruel summer.

[Peace]

Although this is probably true it sure sounds fishy..

The iPhone utilizes a lot of Leopard technology.If they can get the iPhone out with this technology in June WHY does it take FOUR more months to deliver Leopard ?

[Rocket Rion]

Let the bawling begin!

:(

[xUKHCx]

Bring on all the 10.4.10 arguments again.

Well at lest we get a preview. I think a lot of people (myself included) were clambering for an early release because we have been so starved of information.

[xJulianx]

This backs up my fears that Apple are seriously neglecting the computer side of their business.

[Antares]

APRIL FOOLS! :apple: :p

Well, I guess this means that a late April release of Leopard is looking less likely right now....

[FriarTuck]

That's going to hurt hardware sales short term. I know a lot of folks were waiting to buy something with 10.5 on it. Gives me more time to save up for a MBP instead of a MB, though. ;)

[ortuno2k]

** COPIED AND PASTED FROM ANOTHER THREAD **
I guess this is where it belongs.

Originally Posted by pcguru83
Wow. Just...WOW.

I officially now HATE the iPhone.

I'm speechless as well.
MORE REASONS to hate the damn iPhone.
Now they certainly do look stupid and dissapoint people.
People who love Apple for their computers and software.
People who really care a *&^@! less about an overpriced and overhyped built-in-ipod-and-phone.

[PODshady]

WTF..... Apple.... WTF



ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS THAT Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard BETTER BE PRETTY KICK ASS



AND THE iPhone BETTER BE PRETTY KICK ASS TOO (since I am going to buy one)

[notjustjay]

Is anyone really surprised, though?

June was only a month and a bit away. And we still haven't heard much about much-touted "secret" features, product announcements, etc. You surely don't release the OS to the developers (and end users!) totally out of the blue.

I suspect we all figured it was going to be far later than June, even if we weren't willing to say so.

[MacSyn]

Now all Mac users can't laugh at Vista's delayed anymore... :p

[slffl]

I hope it's because they need to work on their 'super secret feature' that has yet to be seen.

Multi-Touch OS!!!

[seh80]

I was getting doubtful of spring, but I didn't think OCTOBER. What a huge disappointment. I guess no iLife until then either.

Boo.

[netdog]

Although this is probably true it sure sounds fishy..

The iPhone utilizes a lot of Leopard technology.If they can get the iPhone out with this technology in June WHY does it take FOUR more months to deliver Leopard ?

Because it has to run on a G3, G4, G5, CD and C2D with a variety of video cards and peripherals?

[DrGruv1]

drop thou stock - maybe i could actually buy some shares

[RRK]

So if iWork and iLife are dependent on 10.5.......

[morespce54]

Apple has today announced that the release of MacOS X 10.5 Leopard will be delayed until October due to the development of iPhone. Developers will be given a beta copy of Leopard at the Worldwide Developers Conference in early June.

oh! that's "socks" so bad... :eek: :(

[AppleMan101]

I can understand why they would've wanted to do why they did, and let's face it, we cannot know even 1% of apple's full picture.

AFAICR, Steve said "we hope to get Leopard to you in the spring" (someone correct me if necessary). However, they made the "iPhone in June" statement VERY clear to everyone, i mean EVERYONE. The hit they would've suffered if the iPhone hadn't made it in June would've been huge. PLUS the fact that Cingular are relying on apple to get the phone ready on time.

Unlike OSX, like the iPod, the iPhone is a product for everyone (in the US (atm) with a deep enough pocket), i.e. you don't need a Mac for it. Delaying OSX a couple of months, will only affect those who are keenly waiting for it, i.e. most of th MR community. This delay can only be justified if 10.5.0 is stable and jaw-droppingly good, it better be!

Jus to make it clear, I want OSX more/sooner than the iPhone.

[ortuno2k]

This backs up my fears that Apple are seriously neglecting the computer side of their business.


I agree with you. I suspected this may happen by them dropping the "Computer" from their name.

They're becoming a "wanna-do-it-all" company, kinda the way Google is going too.
Apple: Stick to your roots, damn it. :(

The consumer electronics were supposed to be icing on the cake, and not the other way around.

[Multimedia]

Better Late and Right than June and Wrong. Looks like this'll be the longest stretch with no OS update in the history of OS X since we're already at 10.4.9. Seems like the 8 core is going to need a Tiger 8 Core update just to get it working half right in the mean time. Or sales of the 8 core are gonna blow until Leopard can ship with the 2007 SS and by then Penryn motherboard and processors. Our Quad G5s are looking better every day.

Hope Adobe won't have a ripple effect for their Master Collection release. Guess FCS 6 won't be so Leopard dependent after all or it will be delayed as well. :(

[SpaceMagic]

This, to me, has FAKE written all over it.

It just doesn't seem right... and although I completely agree that OS X wont be at WWDC... at least not shipped then this release doesn't seem right. It also forgets the:

Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the Apple II and reinvented the personal computer in the 1980s with the Macintosh. Today, Apple continues to lead the industry in innovation with its award-winning computers, OS X operating system and iLife and professional applications. Apple is also spearheading the digital media revolution with its iPod portable music and video players and iTunes online store, and will enter the mobile phone market this year with its revolutionary iPhone.

[dylan]

It better be worth the wait.

I'm sure we'll still get a preview at WWDC, so at least we will be able to see it. They should offer a public beta like Microsoft did with Vista.

Stupid iPhone :mad:

[irmongoose]

I've gotta admit, this puts Apple is an awkward situation, given how much flak they gave to Microsoft for their delays with Longhorn.

However, I guess it's a good thing that they put their pride aside and are pushing for a shippable Leopard, rather than one that would put them to shame with all its problems.

Sigh... here's to another six long months...



irmongoose

[faintember]

Are you kidding me? When they announced the iPhone, it was reported on for days by every news organization, TV news, Internet news. Soft news shows did 5 minute iPhone puff pieces. If Apple announced it wouldn't ship when they said it would, it would knock Imus off the front pages of newspapers.

A delayed Leopard will not have nearly that effect.So why would a delay be bad for the iPhone? If anything a delay, after all of the media attention that the iPhone has received, would mean more free advertising.

My main point is Apple is a computer company. I am tired of the iPod and now the iPhone getting in the way of computer and OS design. The fact is unless the cellphone market shifts and/or Apple and Cingular decide to lower the cost of the iPhone I do not see it taking off in any way similar to the iPod.

I certainly know the next OS release has a larger effect on me than the iPhone release.

[BigJohno]

I was going to wait till june to get a MBP so I could get leopard on it but I dont think that is going to happen. Im so mad! Guess ill be getting one now. :)

[mcarnes]

Look at the bright side, now we will get to the coveted 10.4.10.

[mac-er]

My main point is Apple is a computer company.

Not anymore. Times change. Apple is now a consumer electronics company, a la Sony. It won't be long until Apple release a full-fledged TV set.

[Zwhaler]

This makes me more and more glad that I bought my Mac when I did. I was kinda annoyed at the thought that the Santa Rosa Macs will come shipped with Leopard... but now it looks like they will come only with a very mild speed boost... no Leopard.

[clevin]

I DO feel apple is changing its balance between gadgets and computers.

[RichP]

EVERYONE QUIT WHINING!

Personally, I havent been all that excited about Leopard, it hasnt had that "Killer Feature" like expose or dashboard. Heres to hoping the wait is worth it, and brings us a REALLY cool top-secret featureset that blows our minds away.

[Peel]

Apple:

It's supposed to be UNDER promise, OVER deliver. Not the other way round.

[BoyBach]

Listen carefully.

You hear that sound?

That's the sound of the thousands of engineers at Microsoft attempting in vain to suppress their laughter.

[faintember]

Not anymore. Times change. Apple is now a consumer electronics company, a la Sony. It won't be long until Apple release a full-fledged TV set.Fine with me, provided they release the OS separately from the hardware.

[The Stig]

NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've lost the will to live.... :(

The Stig

[thegoldenmackid]

really? ok.

then they are under contractual obligation to deliver iphone to cingular on a certain date.

(i can come up with many more plausible reasons... :) )

welll let's all remember that this is a $600 phone, and they are going to charge $200? for Leopard...that and the iPhone has gotten so much hype from the national (and i assume world media) i mean cnn had over 2 hours of coverage on the day that the iPhone was announced, microsoft got the same for vista...and that's for an os for %89 of the country...

[puckhead193]

It better be worth the wait.

I'm sure we'll still get a preview at WWDC, so at least we will be able to see it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/macworld/20070412/tc_macworld/leoparddelay20070412;_ylt=AjKhByQLzC_LsWQP7l.bnIgxVrIF

so much for the people waiting to purchase a mac so they don't have to buy leopard

[pknz]

Well I'm going back to bed.

[way2l84sanity]

I'd sooner they delay Leopard than come out with a buggy substandard product. I'm willing to wait. I may not be patient about it, and I may not have much of a choice,,, but I'll wait..:o

[Compile 'em all]

You guys actually believe that bull that Apple is pulling off. "we borrowed developers from OS X to work on the iPhone", give me a break. The fact is, the developer seeds have been bug ridden and that is the real reason for the delay. Technical difficulties are the reason for the delay, given all those "secret" features which I assume are technically challenging ,and well, apparently needs more work.

Definitely this delay is no good news, but I would better wait for a finished product than a semi-finished one.

[aLoC]

That stinks. Boo! Hiss!

Will Leopard be our Vista?

[TraceyS/FL]

SHouldn't have talked/annouced that stupid phone.

Oh well - i'm glad i have my computer, i don't wait well..... The rest of the stuff that will be delayed because of it STINKS.

no iLife or anything else i bet - that doesn't bode well for Apple....

[MacVault]

OMG :mad: I do NOT beleive this! This is the most f$#%cked up news of 2007! Delay Leopard in order to develop a f#^@$$%#ing cell phone :mad: :mad: :mad: Brilliant, Apple. Just totally f@#%@ing brilliant. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Dude, I'm gettin a Dell. Vista is already out.

[Zwhaler]

EVERYONE QUIT WHINING!

Personally, I havent been all that excited about Leopard, it hasnt had that "Killer Feature" like expose or dashboard. Heres to hoping the wait is worth it, and brings us a REALLY cool top-secret featureset that blows our minds away.

Your post kind of contradicts itself... you are saying you are not excited because it isn't as great as you think it can be, but then you say you hope it will have an amazing top secret feature.

The reason to be excited is because it will have (a) super amazing top secret feature(s)!

[morespce54]

Of course, looking on the bright side, we now know for sure that we'll see the top secret features shown at WWDC. Unless that gets delayed too.


LOL!!!
At least, THAT'S funny!!! :D
I could almost see that:
"We had to pull RD peoples out of the OS division so they could come up with some secret features to show at WWDC"...

[BigJohno]

EVERYONE QUIT WHINING!

Personally, I havent been all that excited about Leopard, it hasnt had that "Killer Feature" like expose or dashboard. Heres to hoping the wait is worth it, and brings us a REALLY cool top-secret featureset that blows our minds away.


Are u serious! you don't think that Time machine isnt a killer app. I think thats better than expose. But dashboard is perdy cool

[PlaceofDis]

You guys actually believe that bull that Apple is pulling off. "we borrowed developers from OS X to work on the iPhone", give me a break. The fact is, the developer seeds have been bug ridden and that is the real reason for the delay. Technical difficulties are the reason for the delay, given all those "secret" features which I assume are technically challenging ,and well, apparently needs more work.

Definitely this delay is no good news, but I would better wait for a finished product than a semi-finished one.

considering that the iPhone is running a stripped down and portable version of OS X? yes.

[Lixivial]

It's nice to see Steve Jobs still has it. The fact that there is outrage is somewhat surprising and entirely amusing. Tiger is sufficient and will continue to be. What's with this rush and willingness/eagerness to upgrade in such haste?!

Well, except for this:

Seems like the 8 core is going to need a Tiger 8 Core update just to get it working half right in the mean time.

:D

[MLeepson]

This can't be a joke. Because Apple woun't risk their stock dropping like it is now, all for a joke.

But, on the the Hot News page, all of the news clips have links to press releases, except for this one.

[WildCowboy]

So Digitimes was actually correct about the delay, but it's not due to Vista support as they claimed last month.

Partial credit for them.

[SWC]

WAAAAAAAAH my new OS with mail templates isn't shipping in june.

[rdowns]

This, to me, has FAKE written all over it.



Does this convince you?

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/

[Compile 'em all]

This, to me, has FAKE written all over it.


It is an official press release from Apple.

[thegoldenmackid]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/macworld/20070412/tc_macworld/leoparddelay20070412;_ylt=AjKhByQLzC_LsWQP7l.bnIgxVrIF

is there a poll yet...b/c that last part about life offers times for decisions and we think that we've made the "right one"...? somehow iThink most will say that they have not made the "right" decision

[Reach]

A simply delay would be better than them justifying it by admitting that they put mac-people on a damn phone.
As I said in another post, I felt better when Apple was a computer-company that basically onyl cared about the mac..

[LimeiBook86]

Does this convince you?

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/

Exactly heh. It's funny how it's the only hot news article without a hyperlink. I guess they don't want people see it on their front page. Oh well...:(

[Pressure]

It just means we will get a better and more polished Leopard. No complaints here.

It is not like 10.4.9 is horrible ;)

[juanster]

oh wow, this really really really sucks and i am sure there are a lot of pissed off people. Me, I am just glad i decided not to wait and got my macbook a couple weeks ago..

[Zwhaler]

It's nice to see Steve Jobs still has it. The fact that there is outrage is somewhat surprising and entirely amusing. Tiger is sufficient and will continue to be. What's with this rush and willingness/eagerness to upgrade in such haste?!

There isn't really any reason to call Tiger "insufficient" but when you preview something as cool as Leopard to the public, and then say that you will have to wait until October, it makes a lot of sense that people are annoyed :)

[cwedl]

At least we know where we stand, as long as I know I'm not that bothered, I can wait, I'm happy with 10.4 and to be honest one day I will learn this - If it does what you need and its not broke, don't try to change

[Peace]

Wasn't it thinksecret or appleinsider that said a month ago that apple was going to delay Leopard because they were integrating Windows in virtualization??

Makes me wonder if this is the real reason for the delay.

[BigJohno]

Is iLife '07 going to be delayed to?

[xJulianx]

As I said in another post, I felt better when Apple was a computer-company that basically onyl cared about the mac..

Me too, though I may change that statement to "about the Mac and iPod".

[lancestraz]

D-D-Digitimes… was… was… right! ish.
This truly is shocking.

[bluebomberman]

I honestly don't see what the big deal is. Nothing in Leopard has been revealed which makes this a must-buy, not even Time Machine.

Gives those "Wait for Santa Rosa" folk something more to wait for, at least.

WWDC 2007 will be interesting, to say the least...and a lot more useful to developers since they'll get a good lead time before the next OS launch.

I'm disappointed, but hey, Tiger still rocks.

[joncelli]

The latest developer seed had a huge list of outstanding bugs -- even a June release would have been pushing it. We'll get more teasers at WWDC, maybe a hint at a secret feature to keep us hungry, and all the while we can save our pennies (because it'll be more expensive than usual if it has iLife and iWork bundled in).

As for Microsoft laughing -- their delay was just the last in a series of HUGE delays. So there. :D

[tutubibi]

I guess I will not be buying that new MBP any time soon
Proves that Apple is becoming more of CE company than computer company
Time to short Apple stock :D
I don't believe iPhone will be a major success in the first few incarnations
Proves Apple is not really that much better than Microsoft in terms of project/resource scheduling (OK it's not 2 yr delay but it's a delay)
Makes me look at those Apple Mac/PC ads even more unfavourably


:D

[bryanc]

This is definitely a blow for APPL. Not only will they have to eat crow, after having heaped derision on MS for the Vista delays, and implied that the only thing holding Leopard back was concern that MS would copy their ideas, this will also slow adoption of the iPhone and the high-end Octo-Macs, neither of which will really shine when paired with Tiger.

I think this also means that there will be no iWork'07. The next iteration of iWork will require Leopard (because it will require CoreAnimation and other features of 10.5), so it won't be released until Leopard is available, and calling it iWork'07 when it's nearly 2008 will invite unfavorable comparisons with MS. So they'll have to come up with some new naming scheme.

I wish they'd be less ambitious, and give us more evolutionary updates.

All and all, a significant setback.

[SWC]

Is iLife '07 going to be delayed to?



iLife 08*

[CRAZYBUBBA]

One stop closer to montevina baby!

So how many people are still going to wait to buy a new system until Leopard is released?

[network23]

Quit your whining, folks. Don't you get it?

This is the answer to everyone who's been shouting about how there aren't any big "secret features" left, even though Apple has said so many times, because they would not release 10.5 without the developers having a chance to test/integrate said new features with their products.

How long is reasonable for them to do that?

Three months?

WWDC will see Apple showing EVERYTHING going into Leopard. Developers will get a late-release beta to test and work with. Apple has three months to squash any last-minute bugs that are sure to turn up.

This is not bad news. This is smart thinking.

[Shotgun OS]

Damn.
I was waiting to get my Macbook, but forget that.
Screw Santa Rosa.
ASAP, I drive 10 miles east to the nearest Apple Store.
****.

[Zwhaler]

I think that Apple needed to put less output on the iPhone. Sure, it is cool, but I would much rather have it be released in October but have Leopard by June.

This years WWDC better be cool if Leopard will not be a major part of it...

[SpaceMagic]

Rather annoying me thinks!

What about iWork and iLife... can we at least have them?!

[BigJohno]

yeah apple is kind of hypocritical with bashing Microsoft when they delay them selfs. o well. There still a Bangin Company.

[Compile 'em all]

considering that the iPhone is running a stripped down and portable version of OS X? yes.

The iPhone has been in the works for several years. I guess that is enough time to know if you need to hire more developers rather than delay product releases. They didn't _suddenly_ find out that the OS X developers are working now on the iPhone.

[Dreamail]

The fact that there is outrage is somewhat surprising and entirely amusing. Tiger is sufficient and will continue to be. What's with this rush and willingness/eagerness to upgrade in such haste?!
Well, depends...

I've been waiting for a laptop running 1920x1200 resolution - like forever. Windows laptops have been around for years. Years!

Apple's claim was always that such high res results in too tiny text - which is why they need resolution independence.

Which is built into OS X 10.5 only.

With the October delay it's likely that higher res laptop screens won't happen until November at the earliest. Great!

Maybe I should just buy a windows PC and run Fedora... Sod waiting for Apple to get their high-res act together...

[johnee]

after hours trading shows apple is down 3%

[kainjow]

Although this is probably true it sure sounds fishy..

The iPhone utilizes a lot of Leopard technology.If they can get the iPhone out with this technology in June WHY does it take FOUR more months to deliver Leopard ?

Look at this quote:

We now plan to show our developers a near final version of Leopard at the conference, give them a beta copy to take home so they can do their final testing

Leopard betas have been out for a while. 4 more months for testing? Maybe they are going to incorporate a new UI and are giving devs time to update their apps :D :rolleyes: :apple:

[Xavier]

I can hear it now, "Should I wait until October......"

[ktlx]

So why would a delay be bad for the iPhone?
If Apple pulled resources off Tiger to help out on the iPhone, you can almost be assured Apple and Cingular had delivery performance measures in their agreement that Apple was in danger of missing. That's a pretty common thing in the telco equipment provider world. Clauses like "if you cannot deliver X by date Y, then you forfeit Z payment for each month delay" are common.

Apple is tied to the hip with Cingular on this in the US. Apple delaying iPhone would hurt Cingular's bottom line and it wouldn't be surprising in the least for them to demand compensation for late deliveries by Apple. On the other hand, delaying Tiger just pisses people off but ultimately Apple will still get the revenue.

[4nr-]

The previous leopard beta release, that was released about a week ago was buggy... Really buggy. Like Microsoft buggy, so to me this does not come as a surprise. Actually it was already speculated by the Swedish Macworld magazine.

[dmelgar]

That blows. I'm losing faith in Apple. This isn't going to be good for the stock. All those analysts that said Leopard would be early in April... ya right.

Pre-announcing Leopard what will now be over a year in advance is just plain stupid. In the Apple world, people will stop buying and wait. They should never have announced Leopard at all. Its vaporware. Apple is the new Microsoft.

The fact that the Macworld convention didn't even mention Mac OS X was a huge warning sign. Apple removing "computer" from their name is another big warning sign. They're totally dropping the ball. Ruining their install base when they have the best opporunity, to pursue a phone.

Its already sounding like this phone is more than they can chew. This could signal major problems ahead for Apple.

And for what? A way overpriced phone thats not even 3g. Give me a break.

Meanwhile their computer lineup languishes with absurd prices.

They haven't won many points with me. I'm going to stop recommending Apple until I can figure out what they're trying to be. It doesn't look like they care about computers anymore.

[xUKHCx]

Rather annoying me thinks!

What about iWork and iLife... can we at least have them?!

What if iLife becomes integrated with the OS.

[Zwhaler]

Damn.
I was waiting to get my Macbook, but forget that.
Screw Santa Rosa.
ASAP, I drive 10 miles east to the nearest Apple Store.
****.

I am in the same boat. I will probably just buy a MBP now because Leopard won't be around for awhile.

Rather annoying me thinks!

What about iWork and iLife... can we at least have them?!

It makes sense to call the iLife and iWork's that normally would ship this year: iLife/iWork Leopard. Because Apple has started so many projects that I don't think they will have time to release a new version every year. A new version every OS update is more like it.

[Quadrant]

This is a very sad day for Apple INC. Remember folks, it's not Apple Computer anymore and this news has proved it beyond any doubt.

Pulling off developers to work on the iPhone indeed, bull.

[mcarnes]

There is mass hysteria going on in MR! We're all gonna die! We're all gonna die!

[digitalbiker]

OK so where are all the apologies to those of us who saw this coming a year ago.

We complained that all this diversion into gadgets would eventually cut into the innovation and production of computer hardware and software.

Now Apple admits that they pull people off of Leopard, delay the project intentionally, to speed up the phone development.

Great!:mad:

I can't tell you how many people slammed me because I suggested this might be a possibility. I was told that Apple was a big company and that they could do more than one thing at a time.

So I guess Apple Inc can't do it all.

I really wish they were just Apple computer. Who cares about a stupid phone anyway?

[calvin66]

You guys actually believe that bull that Apple is pulling off. "we borrowed developers from OS X to work on the iPhone", give me a break. The fact is, the developer seeds have been bug ridden and that is the real reason for the delay. Technical difficulties are the reason for the delay, given all those "secret" features which I assume are technically challenging ,and well, apparently needs more work.

Definitely this delay is no good news, but I would better wait for a finished product than a semi-finished one.

I truly doubt they shifted any engineers...it is just a way to hype the product that is ready to go and hide the fact that the new OS isn't going to be ready. It sucks any way you spin it, though.

[stevehp]

This is awful news.

I only hope they release a new iWork before then, but they probably won't...

I'm fine waiting until October if they actually show off the secret features at WWDC.

[TMA]

This is terrible news!

Dissapointing for die hard mac fans and as I work for an Apple reseller I'm going to be SERIOUSLY out of pocket.

A huge proportion of potential Apple computer customers have been holding out since JANUARY for Leopard to be released before they buy a system. Our sales of Apple macs has dropped right off, due to the firm believe that Apple will release Leopard in Spring 2007. Even the most skeptical of our customers are now holding out untill June, the latest anyone would believe Apple will release 10.5

As with many sales jobs my wages are based heavily on commision. This is not going to help. I almost feel like I have grounds to sue Apple.

[twoodcc]

man, i can't believe this!......and i thought June was going to be a great month :(

i'm very disappointed

[elbruelsio]

I like how they start off the release with...Hey, the iPhone is great, and oh, by the way, OS X is delayed.

And, let's make sure there are no hypocrites here. Everyone that have MS crap about Vista being delayed should now do the same for Apple.

Or, let's here the complaining about how the Mac is being abandoned.

Make that comparison once Apple delays an OS for over 5 years, until then sit down. MSFT had been working on Longhorn since, I believe, 2001. They scrapped that after a few years and started on Vista and that still took a couple more years to release. Apples and Oranges buddy.

So how many people are still going to wait to buy a new system until Leopard is released?

I bought a new system 3 weeks ago. I questioned it then, now I'm quite pleased.

Dude, I'm gettin a Dell. Vista is already out.

Pull yourself together, man!!

[pdpfilms]

Not good.

A: Apple was crapping all over Microsoft for the Vista delays. Sure, this is nowhere near as long of a delay (...yet), but they still look ridiculous.
B: I don't believe this. Can a phone really sap that much from Apple's entire fleet of software engineers? This seems somewhat absurd.
C: This further supports the theories about Apple shifting from computing to consumer products. This does not bode well for those of us not in it for the iPods.

[FF_productions]

Are you ****ing kidding me.

Wow I thought June was far away.

[tutubibi]

And for what? A way overpriced phone thats not even 3g. Give me a break.

Meanwhile their computer lineup languishes with absurd prices.




Well said, exactly what I think about Apple these days.

I was postponing work-related laptop purchase, waiting for Leopard. I think I will just go with the second option now, rather than waiting till October or later. BTW, second option is PC/Linux.

[richard4339]

Well damn. I was going to wait until September to buy an iMac because my ADC ran out then =/

[Cojack]

Bad News: Leapord won't come out til October (put $200 in the bank) and in 2008 there will possibly be new MB and MBPs announced

Good News: MB (maybe May) and MBPs are still being upgraded in june. Making them faster, stronger, and be alive longer. FOR THE SAME PRICE. And the iphone is coming in june too.

So to me, I'm getting a Macbook in June. It's still worth waiting until June.

[Lancetx]

While the initial knee jerk overreaction on here will be that the sky is falling, this isn't going to be anything more than a short-term blip on the radar as far as the company's stock is concerned.

Like it or not, an iPhone delay would have been far more damaging to the company's image than a 4 month delay of Leopard will be. Besides, I'd rather see them get it right with Leopard and not rush it, so this news doesn't really upset me any at all. Waiting until October is not a big deal really, it's not like we're talking about a Microsoft Longhorn/Vista like situation here or anything.

[4God]

Wow!!!!!! Glad I didn't wait to buy a MacPro. :rolleyes:
6 more months 'til Leopard? That hurts.

[AppleMan101]

I can't wait to see the threads for "What's the date of the last day in October?"

[TheBobcat]

While its easy to say now that the announcement is out, I think this was pretty obvious. I mean, the lack of an event about the secret features, length of time between builds, remaining issues etc. Plus, it would basically have had to go into production in 3 weeks to make a June date.

Let's just hope they don't pull a Vista and have it come out in 2011.

[EvilPaysRent]

The delay is a total bummer...

But that just means that I have a longer time to save for a spiffier Leopard-sporting Mac

[tutubibi]

I think this thread set record for posts/second. Started typing on page #3, post ended on page #6.

I feel a lot of dark energy here :D

EDIT: was #5, need that strikethru :)

[Zwhaler]

Bad News: Leapord won't come out til October (put $200 in the bank) and in 2008 there will possibly be new MB and MBPs announced

Good News: MB (maybe May) and MBPs are being upgraded. Making them faster, stronger, and be alive longer. FOR THE SAME PRICE. And the iphone is coming in june too.

So to me, I'm getting a Macbook in June. It's still worth waiting until June.

The only thing is is that I was hoping to buy a MBP alongside Leopard... but now I will have to dish out another 70 dollars for the Family Pack so instead of having it shipped with the MBP. Now I am almost debating weather or not to wait for Leopard... I can see the endless threads in the "buying advice" forum now...

[ksgant]

Hey, I don't feel so bad about buying my 24" iMac back in February now. Everyone was saying "you should wait a month or two so you can get Leopard". But I needed the Mac then, and of course I would still be waiting if I had taken their advice. :p

[Irish1978]

Though I understand that Apple would lose more money by delaying the iPhone, you would think think that a company like Apple could hire some software engineering and QA resources specifically for the iPone and not have to steal from other divisions and roll both out on time...just my opinion.:mad:

[sblasl]

Now that Sharpton & Jackson don't have Don Imus in their sights anymore, is Steve Jobs next?

Apple has now exposed themselves to the questioning of their priorities to the fundamentals of their business, it's integrity of their commitments, and the ability to chew gum and walk at the same time...:eek:

[Compile 'em all]

Well, at least the iPhone is still on schedule. That oughta keep the community busy for a couple of months.

[Silencio]

Get a grip, indeed. This is just a four month setback. It's disappointing, sure enough, but it's extremely specious to compare that with Vista, which was delayed for 2+ years and could only be released after all the important under-the-hood improvements had to be abandoned.

And clearly, if Apple really was forced to choose between releasing the iPhone and Leopard on time, they chose wisely in focusing on the iPhone. It would have been a much, much greater PR hit to have to announce delays in shipping the iPhone, plus the iPhone will provide a much greater revenue stream for Apple. Richard Gardner of Citigroup estimated that Leopard would account for $50-75 million in incremental revenue per quarter after Leopard's release. That is just drops in the bucket, especially compared to the new, significantly larger revenue stream the iPhone will generate.

The release of CS3 will spur enough sales of new Macs to more than compensate for the comparatively few people who'll hold out a few months for Leopard.

[SWC]

I really don't see how an OS that (currently) has no known killer new features can force so many people to buy a PC. I guess it's just the people that don't have the money for the premium apple gets for the machines. Oh well.

[aranhamo]

You guys actually believe that bull that Apple is pulling off. "we borrowed developers from OS X to work on the iPhone", give me a break. The fact is, the developer seeds have been bug ridden and that is the real reason for the delay. Technical difficulties are the reason for the delay, given all those "secret" features which I assume are technically challenging ,and well, apparently needs more work.

Definitely this delay is no good news, but I would better wait for a finished product than a semi-finished one.

That's some pretty dumb misdirection. I'd much rather they delay Leopard to get it working right, than delay Leopard so they can get their dumb cell phone out the door. I think it must be the truth; if they were going to lie about it, they wouldn't make up a lie that would just piss people off so much more than the truth.

[joachim]

It's not that bad.

Being a longtime Windows user making the switch soon, I can't wait to have a stable release of Tiger, the world's greatest operating system.

Ungrateful bastards.

:)

[aprilfools]

bummer. I could give a crap about iphone. kids and teenagers will be the ones that care about a phone that does more than be a phone. A phone needs to be a phone. I do however care about computer operating systems and the functional value they offer. I am really really sorry to see Apple divert their focus to something like iphone. Very very sad.

[mac-er]

Make that comparison once Apple delays an OS for over 5 years, until then sit down. MSFT had been working on Longhorn since, I believe, 2001. They scrapped that after a few years and started on Vista and that still took a couple more years to release. Apples and Oranges buddy.


HA. I knew there would be the one to defend Apple. It is no different.
And, oh, by the way, this is how the 5 years started with MS (they would delay little by little). Not saying this will happen with Apple, but just an example to show it is no different than MS, BUDDY. So stop trying to treat Apple like it is holier than thou.

And, we still haven't seen these secret features. Steve claimed that that they were to prevent others from copying Apple. :rolleyes: Yeah, MS is going to be able to cram all these secret features into Vista Service Pack 2.

[aLoC]

They haven't won many points with me. I'm going to stop recommending Apple until I can figure out what they're trying to be. It doesn't look like they care about computers anymore.

They are what they always were. A company that is able to bring new technology to the masses through the gift of UI design. The personal computer was just the first tech they bought to the masses. Then it was digital music, and now smart phones.

Steve does not like to rest on his laurels, and probably sees no reason to stop with the personal computer and never bring his gifts to bear on any other technology. Of course the computer is somewhat of a special case, due to the fact of software. There are always new apps to be bought to the masses, e.g. DVD authoring (iLife), video conferencing (iChat), podcasting, etc.

[whawhat]

looks like its gonna be all about the iphone in the summer.

i expect the redesigned imac's, displays, ipods, etc. won't be released until the fall now as well.

was looking forward to the new OS but whatever.....they'll get my $ eventually. :p

[dude-x]

sell stock fast

Good so I can buy APPL stock for cheap!

Nice spin.;)

Hire some more workers. :p

That doesn't work for a large software project. But now I see the grin.

Although this is probably true it sure sounds fishy..

The iPhone utilizes a lot of Leopard technology.If they can get the iPhone out with this technology in June WHY does it take FOUR more months to deliver Leopard ?

I think that Apple wants to test the newest Intel stuff coming out in the summer.

Now all Mac users can't laugh at Vista's delayed anymore... :p

Vista was delayed for about 3 years. This delay is minor compared to Vista. A few months won't hurt most people.

Listen carefully.

You hear that sound?

That's the sound of the thousands of engineers at Microsoft attempting to suppress their laughter.

I don't think they'll be laughing, especially since Vista had to drop a lot of features, and it took them a long time to get it out. If anything, those who have to use Vista will be cursing more than often!

If Apple is smart, they will release the new hardware (Mac Pros with S-S, Macbooks with Robson) on time and issue minor updates to Tiger to take advantage of the stuff. Then when October rollls around, end users will see a nice improvement.

The good news though is that Leopard will be revealed in June. So it's not like a 6 month wait till we find out the new features.

[dmelgar]

I'd sooner they delay Leopard than come out with a buggy substandard product. I'm willing to wait. I may not be patient about it, and I may not have much of a choice,,, but I'll wait..:o

But you're missing the bigger picture. Apple doesn't seem to care about computers anymore. Will there be an update to the now dated line of computers? Will there be any price drops as parts prices are dropping like a rock?

Answer to all of these is leaning to NO. Apple is overreaching, is at a risk of losing their base. They can't jettison their computers and operating system, especially not now when they HAD a chance against Microsoft.

Maybe now is a good time for a Linux switch. At least Linux gets updated and PCs are now a heck of a lot cheapter.

[mac-er]

I can't wait to see the threads for "What's the date of the last day in October?"

The last Tuesday is October 30. :p

[syklee26]

i just hope this is not an omen of things to come....such as....

1. Apple gives up making computers

2. Apple gives up making OS

3. Apple gives up making iPod only device

4. Apple to concentrate cell phone industry.

[FF_productions]

Well I guess we might see the top-secret features at WWDC. Wow I'm so frustrated right now.

My Dad wants to purchase a damn Apple and then Apple has to put full dedication to that stupid damn iPhone. I honestly could give 2 ***** about a Phone.

wow.

[Laglorden]

I skate to where the puck is going, not to where it's is or whatever was said during the last "Mac"world... the one whitout any Mac news, not much Mac stuff has been released since then. Apple dopping "computer"...

I think it's time to wake up and smell the coffee, computers are yesterdays technology. Apple is a visionary company, I don't think it will be long before the Mac is abandoned. Probably it will first be in the form of "we allow everyone to use OS/X" then license agreements whith some Chinese company to take over more and more of the manufacturing and then an outright sale of the Mac brand.

I predict this will have happened in 1-2 years time... People will bitch and moan for a while and then accept it then applaud Apple for it. (kind of like the Intel transition)

[Compile 'em all]

Like it or not, an iPhone delay would have been far more damaging to the company's image than a 4 month delay of Leopard will be.

Why would there be a delay at all?. Delaying either is bad, damaging or not.

[Jasonbot]

Have any other versions of OS X ever been delayed? If not then :apple: is really starting to slack off. I hope all the leopard hype is worth what it promises to be.

[iBookG4user]

Well this sucks, but although I was looking forward to some of Leopard's features it isn't the end of the world. I can still happily use Tiger and have it run pretty well on my MacBook Pro and that saves my $230 (Leopard + another external hard drive) until October when I should have more money available to buy it.

[inkswamp]

And, let's make sure there are no hypocrites here. Everyone that have MS crap about Vista being delayed should now do the same for Apple.

Or, let's here the complaining about how the Mac is being abandoned.

1. Apple isn't in their 5th year of delays with Leopard. When we get to that point, you can start playing the "hypocrite" card.

2. Apple has done a lot more with the Mac since the release of Tiger (switch to Intel to name the biggie) so it's hard to accuse them of letting their platform languish the way MS did since XP. The analog to MS would be what they did for PCs since the release of XP which was basically a long list of bug fixing.

IOW, get back to me when Leopard is still being delayed in 2011.

[JNB]

Oh, c'mon, grow up! what's with all the "a-Ha!" moments? It's a simple acknowledgement that the development is far more complicated than can be reliably released on a predetermined date. It's still going to have everything that was promised, plus more, as opposed to that "other" long-delayed OS.

Oh, and "secret" means just that. You'll see it when it's released.

Another take: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=3540525#post3540525

[smythey]

This is bone. So very bone....

Okay apple, get the mini cooking with C2D and I'll buy one right now..... leapord will have to be a christmas present!

[page3]

Whilst a delay of a few months for Leopard is of no consequence, it is somewhat annoying that those of us in the United Kingdom cannot actually buy the iPhone in June - we'll get that way after Leopard, in (perhaps) January 2008...

Tiger seems to work just fine - which is more than I can say for Vista.

[EricNau]

This is bad. Very bad.

Apple better have some very good secret features to make up for this.

[brucku]

Whats up with the Macrumors RSS feed? This article is still not listed. I had to hear about it from a friend. Boo! - (i'm on top of this stuff)

[Silencio]

But you're missing the bigger picture. Apple doesn't seem to care about computers anymore. Will there be an update to the now dated line of computers? Will there be any price drops as parts prices are dropping like a rock?

Answer to all of these is leaning to NO. Apple is overreaching, is at a risk of losing their base. They can't jettison their computers and operating system, especially not now when they HAD a chance against Microsoft.

Maybe now is a good time for a Linux switch. At least Linux gets updated and PCs are now a heck of a lot cheapter.

How exactly are Apple's current computers "dated"? Does Intel currently have any faster Merom chips to stuff into the MacBooks, MacBook Pros, and iMacs? Nope. Does the Mac Pro not have the fastest quad-core Clovertons that Intel's producing, and well in advance of any other hardware manufacturers?

Heck, it feels like Apple doesn't even care about iPods anymore, considering how "long in the tooth" the 5.5G 30GB and 80GB models appear to be.

Get a grip, people!

[MalcolmJID]

That's going to hurt hardware sales short term. I know a lot of folks were waiting to buy something with 10.5 on it. Gives me more time to save up for a MBP instead of a MB, though. ;)

I'll go with this too. Although, it just gives me time to save for 2Gb of RAM and of course, Leopard.

I honestly don't mind the wait, I see it as Apple making sure they have a quality product to give us.

[Peace]

With this "delay" and Vista already out I can see NO REASON for withholding "Secret Features"

NOT logical.

[dashiel]

allow me to say, to all of those that vehemently argued about secret builds and leopard being just around the corner; to those people who claimed to be so well versed in software development that they knew for a fact there were advanced version just ready to be declared gold master -- suck it.

i hope to god you're not the ones whining about this because there were plenty of people here at MR telling you that this was going to happen. did you listen? no, just like every other OS X release the ignorant masses all pile on to rumors and conjecture about secret features, optimized builds and all sorts of other nonsense -- only to piss and moan when it gets released and it doesn't have the secret features, the build number is no different to the GM.

i'd like to think that as OS X 10.6 gets closer to launch that you guys would approach with a bit more temperance, but i doubt it. every time the fanbois outnumber the rational. every single time.

so enjoy the crow suckers.

[Cojack]

The only thing is is that I was hoping to buy a MBP alongside Leopard... but now I will have to dish out another 70 dollars for the Family Pack so instead of having it shipped with the MBP. Now I am almost debating weather or not to wait for Leopard... I can see the endless threads in the "buying advice" forum now...

Well The MBP will be updated (maybe with the Santa Rosa)no later than the WWDC so you could get that then......or....you could put an extra 70 dollars in the bank (no biggy) during the summer and wait. If you need for school/work get it in the summer. ....But....if you wait..... then i wouldn't be suprised that a new computer/labtop lineup will be annouced no later than 3 months after your purchase

PS: NEW LINEUPS = NEW PROBLEMS

[BiikeMike]

I for one, as a fairly recent "switcher" (within the past 2 years) thought that Apple was the shi* when I got my Powerbook. Now I have my MacBook Pro and I thought they were doing great things unveiling all these new products all the time. Then the iPhone started and I got worried.

Now that worry turns out to be for good reason. Good thing they are not calling themselves Apple Computer anymore, because they are not. I was SO close to buying an octo core mac pro, but now, IF I get a Mac desktop, it definantly wont be that thing. Quad core maybe, but no real support for a $5K machine until October? I don't think so!

[daneoni]

Ouch! my condolence to all those waiting.

[QCassidy352]

very, very disappointing, but if it truly was down to an "iphone in june/leopard in october vs. leopard in june/iphone in october," then there's no question they made the right decision. Leopard is the more significant product for most people on this board, but as has been said several times, a delay to the iphone would have killed apple in the media.

The right way to do it would have been to release Leopard in June and announce the iphone at WWDC. That way it ships a few months later and everyone is happy. Having announced it in January, though, pushing it to October was not a good option.

[Cassie]

YES! Now I can enjoy my Mac longer without worrying about upgradeing. :)

[gregorsamsa]

Just found about this whilst on the Macworld UK forum. My first reaction is one of utter disappointment.

I've stashed away £800 for a new computer & was greatly looking forward to a new, updated Intel Mac with Leopard, & new editions of iLife & iWork. The only problem was putting off until June; I decided I'd wait after all (rather than buying a Vista PC). - Basically, the waiting was getting to me &, besides, I already have a PPC Mac.

Now, I'm going to have to carefully chew on this over the next few days & see how I feel. I'm too pissed off right now to make any major decisions, but October seems so far away.

[FF_productions]

With this "delay" and Vista already out I can see NO REASON for withholding "Secret Features"

NOT logical.

We must wait for Steve Jobs to present it to us 1 year later.

Apple is very deceiving.

[job]

What if iLife becomes integrated with the OS.

Why would you even want that?

It's the same thing people used to claim MS did to establish a monopoly by bundling Office and IE and integrating them so tightly into the OS that you couldn't, for all practical purposes, get rid of the applications.

[Collin973]

Well, this is no fun, but I think it's better for them to push it back and release a good OS than rushing out the door and it's crappy (Vista?). I was excited about upgrading, but it'll come soon. My mbp will be almost a year old by the time leopard comes out.

I think the stock is definitely going to be on to watch. I think we'll see a slight dip in the coming weeks in short term stock value, but once the iPhone comes we're going to see a decent jump in price (possibly 100+). In the coming days, I think it will be a good opportunity to buy apple stock. If it goes from 80 to 100 per stock and you buy 1000 shares, you've made a cool 20k.

I'm no stock broker though.

[diamond3]

How do people rate this as a positive thing? Common people, overall how could this be positive. This iPhone thing is driving me insane. I'm am well over the initial hype. It sure seems like apple hasn't done anything for a while. It seems like they stopped all production and productivity over a phone. How many people does it take to build an iphone? Everyone at apple? It seems as though apple has changed its focus from computers to iTunes, iPod and the iPhone. I am sick of all the advertisements about how apple got another contract to sell _______ movies. So whats the good news so far for apple this year? No DRM (oh wait thats in May), the iPhone back in January (but not until June), Leopard spring 07 (oh wait thats not until october). Here is an idea for apple, release a product, don't show it or talk about it being released in the future. Not good, not good at all!!!!

[jonharris200]

Ok. I read the first 7 pages of this thread. Now piling in a few thoughts of my own...

1. A delay of four months is much better than a delay of four (or more) years

2. The iPhone IS a computer. Apple dropped 'computer' because of a popular misconception that computer = desktop/laptop only.

3. Tiger is still streets ahead of Vista on most counts.

4. Has no-one else noticed how iPhone is now 'late June' rather than 'June'. Sneaky Apple!

5. I'm glad I bought my blackbook in February. :p

[vincebio]

some poeple on here make you laugh...bloody hell

get a grip of reality

do you want apple to release the best OS on the market full of holes for you guys to moan about why they didnt spend enough time on it??

whats the rush, did 10.4 all of a sudden stop working or become obsolete??

its still miles ahead of vista..


all it means is that they have more time to perfect it.

some poeple need to grow up a bit

[Lyra]

Ok, this is just about the dumbest thing they have done in a long time.

Honestly, when we have been force fed with this garbage promotion of how Windows copies Apple OS and how LONG it takes MS to release an OS, they now give us "SORRY BUT BECAUSE OF THE iPHONE WE ARE DELAYED?"

!@£*&^£ THAT!

I have been waiting for this new OS for ages and a new MacBook Pro. What is this?

Up until now I have been considering buying the iPhone, but because of this idiotic stunt they just pulled...

My answer is NO THANK YOU!

I am boycotting that phone! Not to mention you cannot unlock the phone to make it work on any other vendor other than the one you bought it from is BS to me.

Thanks a yahoo Apple...

Set your priorities straight!!!

This means I'll get a lame MacBook Pro with MacOS 10.4.9 on steroids... We all know where that will lead us.

Oh and what ever happened to iLife? Hmm... If memory serves... it was delayed because of Leopard...

AND now this? Then we'll have Oct/Nov for a new release of the OS as well as a heap of apps?

I am deeply disappointed in this...

I cannot believe this is true...

If it is... Then this will be hard for apple to get out of... They are loosing the original loyal customers... Just cause they wanted to enter that 2% market share of mobile phones...

Way to go Steve...

:mad:

[Peace]

We must wait for Steve Jobs to present it to us 1 year later.

Apple is very deceiving.


With this announcement that's obvious.

[gugy]

This is sucks,
I am fine with Leopard takes more time because the cool, new, secret features. But to delay because the iPhone is pretty lame IMHO.:mad:

Way more people are interest in Leopard than iPhone. So if the iPhone needs to take the back seat, then so be it.

Anyway, just my rant, I am moving on, since get mad won't bring Leopard any faster.;)

[Toadstool]

Given how much of a "show" Steve Jobs always has made about the constant delays Micro$oft, this is a bad precedent (and means he can no longer use this as a jab at them). It certainly shows Steve Jobs' focus can only multitask as well as Mac OS9... his "iPhone thread" has the CPU right now, and Steve does not pre-emptively multitask!

[CrackedButter]

I would like to know who keeps voting negative all the time! Joking aside.

This is great news, I won't feel I have to buy a new mac now until October! Woo hoo!

Also note, I have not read any of this thread due to the perceived Mac boy whine factor contained within. May this post act as a shining beacon!

[Peel]

Looks like I'll have to break down and buy a new computer now. I sold my iMac G5 to my sister a month ago anticipating Leopard coming out soon. Right now I've only got my MacBook, and it's hard to do any video editing or web development on it's 13.3" screen.

[macphisto]

I already emailed the PR team (from the 1st post) expressing my disappointment. Everyone should send them an email and let them know how you feel.

[blybug]

Remember in 1996, one year prior to returning to Apple as iCEO, Steve Jobs was quoted as saying, "The PC wars are over. Microsoft won a long time ago. If I were the head of Apple, I would milk the Mac for all it's worth and then move on the next big thing."

He's true to his word. And no, I don't think today's announcement is "the end of the world"...but for Apple to survive it does need to continue to focus its resources on "the next big thing". In another decade the gizmos & gadgets and the Macs will merge into one. I think that is the legacy Jobs is intending to leave and this shift in Apple's focus lays the groundwork.

Stripped down Leopard is on the iPhone...the iPhone and the AppleTV are specialized Macs in disguise...Mac Leopard is delayed while work is completed on iPhone...iPods with full screens will become indistinguishable from iPhones...today's separate gadgets and computers are the grandparents of tomorrow's unified devices...

[job]

Jesus Christ, some of you people are acting like Steve Jobs himself took out a gun and shot 10 puppies on national TV while pissing all over the American flag at the same time.

It's a delay.

It's not the end of the world.

It's not like 10.4 is going to stop working.

It's not like your computer is going to be any less effective at doing the tasks it does now.

FFS people, lighten up!

[Mr. Burns]

The pit of despair is not deep enough yet, please start spreading the fear of Apple Apocalypse Inc. to friends, family, the public. I've been waiting for a good opportunity to purchase cheap Apple stock. Everybody sell! I want rock bottom prices for a company with good fundamentals, and a good long term perspective. Opps! I mean a company with horrible corporate structure and terrible propensity for lying. Liars! Bad Apple, bad! You promised me! I'm selling!

[Compile 'em all]

That's some pretty dumb misdirection. I'd much rather they delay Leopard to get it working right, than delay Leopard so they can get their dumb cell phone out the door. I think it must be the truth; if they were going to lie about it, they wouldn't make up a lie that would just piss people off so much more than the truth.

If Apple had technical difficulties with shipping Leopard on time, it will never say so. It is much easier (and less embarrassing) to blame it on the iPhone. After all, that is what the average joe have been waiting for and what the whole industry is anticipating.

[mattcube64]

Yeah, it kinda sucks. Nevertheless, I won't care come October as long as Leopard is stable, and not glitchy as hell. Besides, I'd much rather have the iPhone in June instead of *it* getting pushed back till October.

[dmelgar]

Well, at least the iPhone is still on schedule. That oughta keep the community busy for a couple of months.
Apple doesn't have any credibility anymore. They've been working on the phone for years. They are obviously BEHIND in development of the phone, thats why they had to steel from Leopard. They're going to TRY and make June, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that keep slipping too.

They're in over their heads with the stupid iPhone.

[netdog]

I guess I will not be buying that new MBP any time soon

:D

Just buy it already. They're still great.

[jholzner]

Well, this is pretty annoying. I'm currently saving for a new mac (my aging Power Mac G4 400Mhz is really showing it's age). I planned to purchase in June when Leopard came preinstalled. I still plan to buy in June because I just can't take using my old Mac anymore but now it's going to cost me even more to upgrade to Leopard/iLife when they come out. Knowing Apple, they won't offer a lower/free upgrade price. Several of my friends (one a potential switcher) were also waiting. Who knows what they'll end up doing. What really sucks is Apple has KNOWN this was coming for sometime and they even said the rumors weren't true a few weeks ago. I doubt a few weeks ago they didn't know there was going to be a 5 month delay!!

[johnee]

I already emailed the PR team (from the 1st post) expressing my disappointment. Everyone should send them an email and let them know how feel.

Brilliant...

Can someone start a thread calling for this action? I have to leave now, but apple should really hear from all of us.

Thanks!

[Father Jack]

I second that :eek: :eek: :eek:

FJ

[netdog]

I can hear it now, "Should I wait until October......"

And I can hear Multi saying, "Yes!"

[tribulation]

This is really starting to get scary. What's up with Apple shoving Macs + OS X to the back of the line??

First at MACworld, no new MACS. Now sticking in a little PR joke announcement into the end of a press release as if it's just 'nothing'.

It is almost starting to really seem like Apple is trying to diversify too much and in a few years time, WAY too much. New products and markets are one thing, but this *is* the Mac market that we all care about and love. I'm not saying that the Mac desktop/desktop OS X will die within a year or two, but it's certainly looking like that could be a possibility in 5-10 years......which isn't all that long.

They're really playing this down way too much. No new, even small previews or updates on apple.com about Leopard in what, a year or so [or whatever], and then a little blurb major delay announced at the end of their release as if it's just a new line of white headphones? Downplaying is one thing, but keep our interests [and confidence] at bay like this is starting to look a bit odd and hesitant.

[wake6830]

Lame. I remember when Apple was a computer company...

Am I the only one that wishes companies would stop announcing products that are nowhere near completion?

[macphisto]

Is iLife '07 going to be delayed to?

Don't you me iLife '08? ;)

[robPOD]

Great, just great more waiting, come on apple bring the god-damn thing out.:mad:

[mark88]

Whilst this is obvious bad news. I'm actually glad!!

I can now go ahead and buy a mac instead of trying to guess when Apple will release Leopard. There told us nothing since WWDC 2006, made us wait thinking everything was OK and now this.

Buying a new mac, but not very happy with Apple at all.

[job]

Way more people are interest in Leopard than iPhone. So if the iPhone needs to take the back seat, then so be it

Where are you people getting this from?

How many non-Mac users do you know that are salivating that being able to use Leopard?

AT&T has had hundreds of thousands of people inquire about the iPhone.

The iPhone isn't just for a bunch of tech-minded Apple fanatics. It's for everyone that's ever wanted or used a phone. It's proof of what the future of telecommunications will hold. And you Apple zealots need to understand that in order for Apple to survive as a company, it needs to branch out from just selling computers. This phone will make a lot of money for Apple, so all of the people whining in this thread will be able to enjoy the latest and greatest OS from Apple in the future.

[amac4me]

This is VERY DISAPPOINTING.


No iLife 07 at Macworld 2007
No news on Top Secret features
Now Leopard Delayed until October


Expect APPL shares to get hit tomorrow. So many people and potential switchers have put off Mac purchases on the hope of a Leopard release in Spring. This is not good news.

[slffl]

Will the iPhone be the only new hardware released in 2007???

[Diatribe]

You have got to be kidding me. Now I have to either wait longer to get my new MBP or pony up $129 on top of my notebook purchase. Apple you suck. :mad:

And while we're at it, where the hell is iLife 07? I guess it is gonna be iLife 08 only? Why even bother buying a new notebook this year at all if I have to pay $200 on software till next January? Apple you just lost one buyer for this year. :mad:

[killmoms]

This thread is ridiculous. Yeah, YOU guys care about Leopard, but think about what the public at large cares about? iPods, and the iPhone. An iPhone delay would be WAY worse for Apple's stock price than this Leopard delay. So, while somewhat disappointing, I'd much rather Leopard be delayed and work better AND have the iPhone out on time.

Plus, this helps me spread out my Apple spending: DRM-free music in May, iPhone in June, Leopard in October. Plus I'm sure we'll see more features shown off at WWDC now, rather than having everything sprung on us at once. Devs have more time to prep with a more final build... all in all I actually think this is a good thing. Based on what we already knew about architectural enhancements I don't think there was any question that this was the biggest upgrade of OS X yet. I'd rather have it be guaranteed to work well.

[Toadstool]

I agree... Apple needs to decide what core business it's in and make sure to put that as it's highest priority. I hope that's computers with good OS's. If it's telephones, I'm a little worried.

This is really starting to get scary. What's up with Apple shoving Macs + OS X to the back of the line??

First at MACworld, no new MACS. Now sticking in a little PR joke announcement into the end of a press release as if it's just 'nothing'.

It is almost starting to really seem like Apple is trying to diversify too much and in a few years time, WAY too much. New products and markets are one thing, but this *is* the Mac market that we all care about and love. I'm not saying that the Mac desktop/desktop OS X will die within a year or two, but it's certainly looking like that could be a possibility in 5-10 years......which isn't all that long.

They're really playing this down way too much. No new, even small previews or updates on apple.com about Leopard in what, a year or so [or whatever], and then a little blurb major delay announced at the end of their release as if it's just a new line of white headphones? Downplaying is one thing, but keep our interests [and confidence] at bay like this is starting to look a bit odd and hesitant.

[Project]

Tiger will be 2 and a half years old by the time Leopard comes out. Not bad at all for a new OS. People are acting like this is the apocalypse and Apple doesnt care about Macs anymore.

Get a grip and a sense of perspective.

[netdog]

For god's sake, most of us who can afford it will buy an iPhone, and virtually all of us will buy Leopard when it comes out so please stop whining.

[FF_productions]

Looks like I'm going to force my Dad to just buy a Mac now, and if Leopard is OH SO GREAT he can just upgrade for whatever the price is.

Apple actually planned on releasing it in June, which is still considered Spring but is pretty damn deceiving. When Steve said "Spring 07" at WWDC 06, he actually meant WWDC 07. But with this iPhone that I can't afford, I won't be able to touch Leopard until October.

I want to see how Steve explains himself at WWDC about this.

[PCMacUser]

This is all just a cover up for the fact that Leopard is still buggy as hell. I mean, sure they want the iPhone ready for June, but think about it - it's only going on sale in the USA in June. Most other countries have to wait until 2008 before they get it.

Leopard was meant to come out in June, and would have been released GLOBALLY. There are approximately 270 million people in the USA, but the world's population is 6,000 million. So it stands to reason that this decision is not financially motivated... Personally I don't give a toss about iPhone. The phone market is already saturated. But there is only one OS X. And I want it now please!

I wonder if this will have a trickle-on effect for planned Mac hardware releases, ie. will they delay an update to the Mac Mini because of this?

Hmm...

(Sorry if anyone has already had a similar blabble such as this - I couldn't read through all eight pages of posts).

[Mac-Addict]

**** the iPhone! Im sorry but it has to be said, the iPhone will be only available to 10% of the world in June and how many people will buy Leopard over the iPhone?!

[FF_productions]

I agree... Apple needs to decide what core business it's in and make sure to put that as it's highest priority. I hope that's computers with good OS's. If it's telephones, I'm a little worried.

They let us know that at MacWorld. They dropped the Computer from Apple Computer to reflect the different products that they sell, which would include Macs, iPods, and the iPhone.

[Tafkas]

But honestly...I don't mind waiting. As long as the don't pull a Vista...delay it for years, then still release a piece of **** that doesn't work...lol

[piecewise]

I guess I will not be buying that new MBP any time soon
Proves that Apple is becoming more of CE company than computer company
Time to short Apple stock :D
I don't believe iPhone will be a major success in the first few incarnations
Proves Apple is not really that much better than Microsoft in terms of project/resource scheduling (OK it's not 2 yr delay but it's a delay)
Makes me look at those Apple Mac/PC ads even more unfavourably


:D

1. Why? Today or tomorrow's MBP will run 10.4.9 and Leopard, and are better than what you have now if you were considering an upgrade.
2. Really? The Mac is a key part of Apple's digital hub strategy and half their revenue. Trust me, Apple has an interest in growing HALF of their entire revenue.
3. Time to buy Apple's stock at a sub-$90 value. You should have shorted it BEFORE this news. That's how it works.
4. You don't believe the most hyped Apple product in the history of the company will meet their 1% market share predictions? You should do your market research.
5. You're ironically comparing apples to oranges here (or Microsofts). Vista was delayed for YEARS. This is delayed a few months because Apple believes in quality.
6. I'm sorry for your loss.

[crossifixio]

:eek: Was looking forward to a new mbp with santa rosa and leopard. What do I do now, Wait till bloody october. This really sucks! :(

[pink-pony115]

dammit steve...

[CJD2112]

[insert "sad mac" face here]

I'm bummed, my Mac Pro has been waiting for a 64-bit Mac OS since December. :(

Oh, and what about iLife '07? I know Apple, Inc. was waiting until the June release of Leopard, but now they might as well release it now...

[PCMacUser]

Tiger will be 2 and a half years old by the time Leopard comes out. Not bad at all for a new OS. People are acting like this is the apocalypse and Apple doesnt care about Macs anymore.

Get a grip and a sense of perspective.

Leopard is not a new OS. It's simply an update of OS 10. A new OS would be OS 11. Two and a half years for one decimal point update is a long, long time. Maybe Tiger will become the new XP SP2?

[killmoms]

Leopard was meant to come out in June, and would have been released GLOBALLY. There are approximately 270 million people in the USA, but the world's population is 6,000 million. So it stands to reason that this decision is not financially motivated... Personally I don't give a toss about iPhone. The phone market is already saturated. But there is only one OS X. And I want it now please!

And Apple's worldwide marketshare is FAR smaller than its US marketshare. What a spurious argument. :rolleyes:

[slffl]

I'm amazed at how many global computer business experts there are on this forum. One would think you would have better things to do than post here.

[stainlessliquid]

Wow digitimes was right, albiet for a stupid reason that doesnt make a damn bit of sense, but still got the month right.

I love how these delayed products always magically end up landing perfectly on the busiest 2 months of the of the shopping season. Either October or November. Every time. I have yet to see a single product get delayed to the middle of the summer or august/sept. Coincidence?

[dogcowabunga]

Apple's news should come as no surprise.

After all, Apple Inc. is a consumer electronics company that just happens to sell computers compatible with their consumer electronics. When the company dropped "Computer" from its name, that should have been a clear indication of Apple's priorities.

The iPhone may spur a few switchers to try Apple's computers, just as the iPod has done. Delaying the iPhone would mean delaying quite a few potential switchers.

By contrast, only a very few potential switchers will delay their switch because of Leopard's release date. Delaying Leopard will not decrease Apple's marketshare among computer users.

Of course we want all our goodies right now. But while Apple might be making the wrong decision for a computer company, it is making exactly the right decision for a consumer electronics company.

This is also, in all likelihood, a way to "save face" about the overall bugginess of the current Leopard builds, without actually having to directly own up to that bugginess. Apple is far better off releasing a rock-solid Leopard in October, instead of a buggy version in June.

[killmoms]

Leopard is not a new OS. It's simply an update of OS 10. A new OS would be OS 11. Two and a half years for one decimal point update is a long, long time. Maybe Tiger will become the new XP SP2?

I don't know what you call an entire update to the underlying framework to be 64-bit native, but I call that a LOT of work. Don't let the "decimal point" fool you. This is the sixth version of OS X.

[aranhamo]

It is much easier (and less embarrassing) to blame it on the iPhone.

I actually think blaming it on the phone is more embarassing, because it shows that Apple has poor project planning, and that they've spread themselves too thin, or else that Macs and OS X have become low priorities. Speaking of which, haven't they seen the studies that show that adding more programmers to a project only exacerbates delays? I just watched a lecture yesterday talking about that.

[steve_hill4]

Sorry, but after this delay announcement, it feels like this banner is true in more than one way:

http://static.flickr.com/74/207241438_7c0f89412d_b.jpg

[rxse7en]

I voted negative only because I'm slightly disappointed. :D It's not like the OS 9 to OS X nightmare I went through years ago. 10.4 is great and will hold me over until October. I can wait for a new Mac Pro then too. I just don't like the fact that they are placing the blame squarely on the iPhone. At first glance it just looks like the iPhone has taken priority over the Mac Computer Faithful. Just strange.

And for our patience, when we purchase a new Mac Pro with Leopard in October we'll all receive a free iPhone! Oh yeah, all the "secret features" are just iPhone integration apps :P I kid, I kid.

But this is almost as annoying as the iPod news gluttony for the last couple of years. I have an iPod, sure, but I can't make a living off of it. Jeez, that iPhone better be unfrickin'-believable when it's released.

[dmelgar]

or whatever was said during the last "Mac"world... the one whitout any Mac news, not much Mac stuff has been released since then. Apple dopping "computer"...

I think it's time to wake up and smell the coffee, computers are yesterdays technology. Apple is a visionary company, I don't think it will be long before the Mac is abandoned. Probably it will first be in the form of "we allow everyone to use OS/X" then license agreements whith some Chinese company to take over more and more of the manufacturing and then an outright sale of the Mac brand.

I predict this will have happened in 1-2 years time... People will bitch and moan for a while and then accept it then applaud Apple for it. (kind of like the Intel transition)
I fear you maybe right. Mac OS has been gaining traction. This statement about Leopards delay telegraphs that they don't care about computers anymore. This will put a bad image on Mac OS X. They're sending the message out too early. People who realize this will bail from the Mac platform, developers will be more reluctant to move to the platform.

Apple had the Mac wave moving to their benefit. This announce will crash the wave. Microsoft has won yet again.

They should simply have announced that Leopard was delayed until October. That may have flown. But to publicly state that they value a PHONE more than Leopard disenfranchises the majority of the loyal Apple base. This is a VERY bad move.

[bluedevil14]

boooooooooooooooooo
maybe they should...GASP hire more people so they can do both at once

[serpico]

I've been working and staying off the net until now and this is what I read!

I can't believe it but with all the news about Apple 'putting their eggs in one basket', I suppose it's all true. This iPhone better be worth it after all this. No wonder we don't see anything new on the iPod or Mac computers front. I think it's safe to assume that Apple will be keeping the current designs of their computers and installing Leopard on them. But you never know, maybe new systems will follow with the introduction of Leopard to make people upgrade. The iPod will probably exist in 5.5G design until then too. It's too bad for those who don't want the iPhone or want it but can't afford it.

Good for me, my year end is Dec 31, so I won't be tempted all year to buy! I can wait!:)

[dontmatter]

apple TV is delayed, leopard is delayed, iphone was announced after years of speculation and it's a LOONG time until it ships (and apparently isn't yet ready), mac pro and C2D updates take way too long, video features of itunes store are still not up to the equivalent of the music at the time of the launch of the music part, and on and on and on....

Apple, get on the ball. Trendy, cool, and always late to the party and ****** up just doesn't cut it. Whatever happened to that glimmer we had with the intel switch, where things happened ahead of schedule, prices and features were better than expected, and updates were superfast (mac book pros before they shipped!). I sure hope the secret features are good and nothing gets delayed further.

The other thing about this that just seems like bad buisness: not only did they make the mistake of making a promise they couldn't keep (which you should NEVER do, it makes people so much more pissed than if you didn't make a promise at all), but also, they did it for a product that's enormously risky. Now I agree with those who say that publicity wise, it's better to delay leopard than the iphone (though they shouldn't have to delay either), but it's just an ugly situation to mess up a product central to your buisness plan for one that's totally untested and risky. Sure, the iphone rocks, but it has more than one potential achilles heel, and if it's a flop, this will look like a BAD decision.

[shawnce]

I am kinda happy they pushed Leopard out some. The more
time they can spend on polishing the 64b Cocoa, etc. APIs likely the
more legacy cruft they can cut out of 64b side of the house... setting
a cleaner foundation for the future.

They are trying to pull off a lot in Leopard.

[AliensAreFuzzy]

NOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Oh well, now I suppose I don't have to worry as much about it being released and not being able to go to a release party.:p

[Clive At Five]

So does this mean that in October we can use Time Machine to bring Leopard back to June where it belongs?

;)

I'm trying to remain light-hearted about this news, if you can't tell... not that I even have money for a new computer or OS anyway... but my poor 800MHz G4 iMac is getting tired! It needs to retire to the land of music servers... poor guy.

-Clive

[uMac]

Initial Thoughts,

Looks like Friday the 13th came a day early.

I'm waiting for the "Buy a Mac now and We will give you Vista-Clone in October"

Or why don't they just call it OS-Eleven

Boycott the iPhone, what a great idea except for its not offered in my country!

With some thought
And only a week after the 8-core Mac Pro Beasts (which I didn't buy, thank god), spend $4 grand on their lowest priority, what message are they trying to send?

If the iPhone flops (or doesn't live up the hype or its expensive price tag) Apple is in for serious consumer confidence loss (oh and their shares are going to slide).

And on a final note...
It's called hire more staff... what do you think the rest of the business world does with money?:(

[evilgEEk]

If Leopard was being delayed because they simply weren't satisfied with it and need a few more months for tweaking, that's fine. I'd rather have a quality product than just getting something pushed out the door.

But to delay it by four months because you took people off of Leopard to get the iPhone OS done?

That's just not right.

:mad:

[BornAgainMac]

My copy of 10.4 stop working and won't install anymore after the news was released. :p

Actually, I think this is good news. The main features needed to be released at least 90 days before they ship it and have a beta in developers hands for testing. You can always install Vista on your newer model Macs so you have something new to play with until October.

I am looking forward to the Developer keynote. It will be like the 3 Ghz speech a few years ago.

[aspro]

Gah, that means no new Apple products for me until October. We will have to wait for who knows how long until the iPhone reaches Australia.

On a positive note hopefully October gives them enough time to do some heavy testing. :)

[Cassie]

For those who are all like "DAMN NOW I CANT BUY THAY MBP IN JUNE!!!!"

Yes you can. The lepoard upgrade doesn't cost much. Its not a big deal.

[Project]

Leopard is not a new OS. It's simply an update of OS 10. A new OS would be OS 11. Two and a half years for one decimal point update is a long, long time. Maybe Tiger will become the new XP SP2?

A new *version* of the operating system.

[MacVault]

The iPhone development can't be the real reason for the Leopard delay. That just doesn't make sense. Sounds just like an excuse to me so they don't have to tell us the real reason.

They let this out of the bag only so people will start buying Macs again in the mean time.

Oh, and October really means Macworld SF 2008. I mean how can we beleive Steve Jobs or Apple anymore???

[APPLENEWBIE]

There is mass hysteria going on in MR! We're all gonna die! We're all gonna die!

No kidding. Settle down. I would much rather have apple do the RIGHT THING and get both products right. Remember, apple is a big company, but it does not have unlimited resources. And the products we are talking about, Leopard and the iPhone, are both now essential to the company's long term outlook. And regarding resources, the particular resources necessary are necessarily limited. Apple probably does not have a bullpen of "idling" engineers with nothing to do. And these products are obviously very complex engineering problems. It is simple resource allocation. Also, while a delay in Leopard will cause consternation here on MR, a delay in the iPhone (for better or worse) would be BIG NEWS.

I also wonder whether the delay of Leopard will signal a delay in new hardware. For instance, a new iMac may be largely dependant on special features in Leopard (maybe.) We may see a long lack of new product intro's or even updates, if that is the case. My $.02

[Maccus Aurelius]

In my opinion, Tiger is far better than Vista, and currently too many people I know had to give up older peripherals and spend money on hardware upgrades when they purchased Vista, while all of the old printers and junk I used with my old Dell works beautifully with my macbook. While this is disappointing, I can't really say that I care that much. I'll just keep using Tiger and all of the great apps I already loaded my macbook with and simply upgrade my HDD get better peripherals and be happy till October, when I buy my new MBP. No worries.

I think Multimedia's gripe about the 8 core system being funky with Tiger is the only real legitimate gripe I can see. The rest is just the down after the sugar rush. Boohoo, now get over it.

[Cassie]

Don't you me iLife '08? ;)

Yeah, at this point I'd say they're just going to skip '07 and go on to '08.

[bluebomberman]

Damn, it's like people have forgotten the horrendous hardware delays that plagued Apple until recently. I waited the whole summer of 2004 to pass before they released the iMac G5, and then waited another month for it to ship. Meanwhile, I was stuck with a dying Dell laptop running Windows ME and a nonfunctional keyboard.

Waiting for Leopard will be much more pleasurable, because I got Tiger on the very same iMac I waited forever for.

[artalliance]

EVERYONE QUIT WHINING!
Heres to hoping the wait is worth it, and brings us a REALLY cool top-secret featureset that blows our minds away.

AMEN.
It's not that we can't use our computers without out. My 10.4.9 runs like a charm and is a pleasure to use every day.

Yes, I was looking forward to it, too, but I rather have an OS that is stable than a rushed, half-baked release.

[Diatribe]

A couple of things:

1. This is bad for hardware sales. A lot of people are holding off for something with Leopard on it. The longer they wait the more people wait.

2. No iLife until then means skipping an iLife version (iLife07). iLife 08 be better the best software out there with all the time they had.

3. If Leopard is feature complete in June - WHAT THE HELL do you need 4 months to test for?

4. Apple is losing out on people switching from XP. Many people might switch to Vista thinking Leopard is the only alternative.

[steve_hill4]

Leopard is not a new OS. It's simply an update of OS 10. A new OS would be OS 11. Two and a half years for one decimal point update is a long, long time. Maybe Tiger will become the new XP SP2?

Not entirely true. while only a point update, when Apple switched to OS X, they effectively decided to turn to point updates being major releases rather than full blown number changes. By your argument the OS hasn't really changed since 10.0 and that is way off the mark. From 10.4 to 10.5 even Core Animation looks to be a major change in the way the OS works.

However, I think now we should be looking to 10.4.10+, (which I had a feeling for anyway), and new models fairly soon. If they don't release updated specs soon, then some will be a year old or more by Leopard release, which would be crazy. Releasing a month or two before Leopard would also be crazy in my eyes.