Internet Explorer 5.2.3

[kettle]

Version Tracker anyone? (http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macos/10902) :eek:

hmm... I suppose I should have searched the forums for 5.2.3 .
Well, "No More IE for Mac" was the most prominent thread concerning IE and so this thread was born. I recommend that all the anal types report this thread to an administrator / moderator pleading for its immediate deletion. You can tell them it's in the wrong forum because it's a) it's Not an Article. and b) It's not a NEW application.

Anyone else, have a nice day!:)

[MontanaMacster]

Internet Explorer 5.2.3 for Mac_OS_X




This latest version ? version 5.2.3 ? enhances browser compatibility for users who work on a network with secure authentication or with proxy servers. It also provides all the latest security and performance enhancements for Internet Explorer_5 for Mac_OS_X.




Note__ Internet Explorer 5.2.3 for Mac_OS_X is not compatible with Mac_OS_9.x or earlier. It requires features that are available only in Mac_OS_X. If you use Mac_OS_8.1 to 9.x, you can download and install Internet Explorer 5.1.6 for Mac_OS_8.1 to 9.x.




Released: 6/16/2003

[Steradian]

Sigh...maybe if this was released like...a year ago...I *might* care too bad, I guess I will have to keep using Safari and Camino

[VIREBEL661]

It's actually brand new, uploaded on the 16th of June!!! Weird... It says something about 'security fixes'... I still use it to veryify websites, so it's useful, even though it's M$...

[Mal]

IE? What's that? Oh yeah, I remember using that back in the dark ages of OS 8. Oh well, too bad it didn't die before.

JW

[hvfsl]

Safari is no longer a good browser for me. It is now the slowest of all the browsers I use (Mozilia, Netscape, IE, Safari). So I have now started using Mozilia more since it is the fastest, but I still need to switch to IE every now and then because some sites only work with IE.

For example, Safari takes 34secs to load my homepage www.macworld.co.uk. I have a 1mbit connection and a 550Mhz G4 PowerBook. It takes 4secs on IE and 3 on Mozilia.

[richie]

macworld.co.uk loads fine here in Safari.. ah well :) Installed this IE update because I always install every update I can, but I probably won't be launching IE in the near future to test out whatever fixes were made. heh.

[Groovsonic]

I, for one, like IE. I know that Safari, Camino, and Mozilla are faster, and OmniWeb is better looking, and I have them all, but 4 times out of 5, I go for the big E. Maybe it is just habit. I am just really comfortable with the way it works. I like that when you click on the address bar, the whole thing gets selected so you can delete it quickly. Other browsers just don't seem finished. I don't know, I am sure I will get over it...


Speaking of browsers, Launch.com is so annoying. To watch music videos, it says you need Netscape 4.7x. Thats the only browser that it says works on a Mac. Of course 4.7 is not for OS X. So, I have to launch classic to watch the videos, which works nice and slow, or have to boot into 9, which is a stupid pain in the butt. Why won't it work???

Arrg.

[dialectro]

Wow! I installed this update and ran Repair Permissions. I've never seen OS X go so crazy rewriting so many permissions on one single app. Seems to work fine afterward though. I understand this, or maybe one more minor update, will be it from MS. Oh well. Long Live Safari!!

[davy the bunny]

I repeat,

Who needs it?!

[IndyGopher]

Originally posted by davy the bunny
I repeat,

Who needs it?!
People who use the web for a living, and are not isolationist zealots living in denial. For starters.

[kettle]

Originally posted by IndyGopher
People who use the web for a living, and are not isolationist zealots living in denial. For starters.

isolationist zealots living in denial

People who steal an argument by turning an opposing view into a series of negative buzzwords. People who slice off little pieces of peoples Freedom to use logic in their own decisions, it's the "only liberal ideas can trully be good" people, the people who run around making people feel GUILTY for having the foresight to take the bitter pill in the short term, inorder for people in the future to be allowed the choice between a bitter or sweet pill.

The rights and freedoms we have now are only protected by the people who remember to claim their resposibilities on the same day they decide they have a right to be free.

"isolationist zealots living in denial" is just a symptom of "Liberals in Bully Bull**** Land" that runs P.C. and the government that is slave to it.

"please delete this flame"


:confused:

[Taft]

Originally posted by kettle
isolationist zealots living in denial

People who steal an argument by turning an opposing view into a series of negative buzzwords. People who slice off little pieces of peoples Freedom to use logic in their own decisions, it's the "only liberal ideas can trully be good" people, the people who run around making people feel GUILTY for having the foresight to take the bitter pill in the short term, inorder for people in the future to be allowed the choice between a bitter or sweet pill.

The rights and freedoms we have now are only protected by the people who remember to claim their resposibilities on the same day they decide they have a right to be free.

"isolationist zealots living in denial" is just a symptom of "Liberals in Bully Bull**** Land" that runs P.C. and the government that is slave to it.

"please delete this flame"


:confused:

Who is this guy?

Hello?!?!? Ever try staying on topic? Or not inserting your political preachings into discussions about web browsers?

As for the guy who suggests only isolationist zealots don't need IE...get a clue!

It is entirely possible to write cross-platform web pages with complete feature sets. Its called: "using web standards instead of M$ standards."

I do it all the time.

Taft

[ecino1]

Well, IE is the only browser that i use (IE, Safari, Mozilla, Camino) that actually displays every page I view perfectly. I like Safari the most, but it simply is not as compatible as IE. There are sites that Safari just cannot display, and IE can. Also, IE seems to load pages quicker thaqn any other browser I use. There are sites I visit that take Safari over 1 minute to display, and IE will display the same site in less than 4 seconds! I prefer the look and functions of safari over IE, but it just dosent have the compatibility IE does.


Cino

[Rower_CPU]

Cino-
You've got it backwards. It's the sites that have compatibility issues, not Safari.

[kettle]

Originally posted by Taft
It is entirely possible to write cross-platform web pages with complete feature sets. Its called: "using web standards instead of M$ standards."

I do it all the time.

Taft

Please explain why "using web standards instead of M$ standards." is not anything to do with a political choice, after all, if everyone were to use M$ standards, the world would be a lot more straight forward in terms of information control and presentation.

As for the "Who is this guy?" comment, I think that would be a rather peculiar question given the number of "real names" used in a forum situation. Perhaps your social manipulation techniques have over flowed into a place that will no longer obey the same predictabilities of your own "Real Life". Instead of alienating me as "invalid" and presenting me with a wall of "this is what Everyone else does", I get to use my right of reply with a gifted confidence that your social pressures will not cause me any loss of enjoyment in my own "Real Life".

I am SO glad of all the people who put years of their own lives developing alternative ways for people to access and continue to access information. Open source and web standards is the game, if Micro$oft don't want to play then I also ask "Who needs Internet Explorer?"

IMO, I think Micro$oft need IE (or similar) if they stand any chance in completely controlling the way people perceive online information in their "Real Life".

[Rower_CPU]

kettle-
I'm not even sure what you're trying to say, but here goes.

Please explain why "using web standards instead of M$ standards." is not anything to do with a political choice, after all, if everyone were to use M$ standards, the world would be a lot more straight forward in terms of information control and presentation.

The world would be a lot more straight forward in terms of presentation if everyone conformed to web standards, and there would be NO information control. Whereas with "MS standards" (a misnomer, since we are talking about proprietary code) you are tied to MS browsers, and now MS OSes.

Once "MS standards" are in place MS owns the Internet in its current form. That would be disaster.

[kettle]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
kettle-
I'm not even sure what you're trying to say, but here goes.

The world would be a lot more straight forward in terms of presentation if everyone conformed to web standards, and there would be NO information control. Whereas with "MS standards" (a misnomer, since we are talking about proprietary code) you are tied to MS browsers, and now MS OSes.

Once "MS standards" are in place MS owns the Internet in its current form. That would be disaster.

If you follow the entire thread you will see why "isolationist zealots living in denial" (I stand indirectly accused by IndyGopher) are actually making an active choice of NOT supporting M$ standards. The "isolationist zealots living in denial" are taking the line of Greater resistance, fully aware of what a world using M$ standards would be like.

In "Real Life" where people are highly skilled in peer pressure, fashions can be manipulated beyond the usual bounds of what makes one product "better" than another. The term "isolationist zealots living in denial" is just symptom/catchphrase of the force that has allowed "Real Life" to become irrational, manipulated and unenjoyably victimised as a "Childhood School Yard" can be.

Everyone should be allowed to go to the party, even if they don't care for all the "cool" Microsoft stuff that allows you to be one of the "cool" people. "Who is this Guy?" is exactly how someone in the "cool" gang would notify everyone else in their gang to the presence of a "not cool" person.

Is that simple enough?

[Rower_CPU]

I think we're arguing the same point. Your hyperbole just gets in the way...;)

[kettle]

true, I get a little carried away sometimes.:)

[GeeYouEye]

And still there's us OmniWeb users, sitting back and laughing at those poor 90-something percent of the browser market that has no idea of what a wonderful browser they are missing....

:)

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by GeeYouEye
And still there's us OmniWeb users, sitting back and laughing at those poor 90-something percent of the browser market that has no idea of what a wonderful browser they are missing....

:)

Nagware? ;) :p

[Taft]

Originally posted by kettle
Please explain why "using web standards instead of M$ standards." is not anything to do with a political choice, after all, if everyone were to use M$ standards, the world would be a lot more straight forward in terms of information control and presentation.


Standards existed before Microsoft started making subtle and blatant changes to API's as varied as HTML, Java, Javascript, etc with the power of their IE user base. These standards were/are powerful enough to drive technological innovation and enterprise and desktop applications. Also, these standards are (mostly) open and not controlled by a single company or entity. Given these facts (and they most certainly are facts), my choice of open standards over MS standards is not a political statement. It is a statement about what I think is best for the industry.

I also reject the notion that MS would have made things better for the industry if the Apple/Open Source/Linux people hadn't made such a stink. How would it have been better? Would they have opened their standards? Allowed other companies to implement them or suggest and contribute changes to them?

From historical evidence it is quite clear that MS uses their technologies to advance their own business interests rather than the interests of the industry as a whole. From this perspective, their moves to develop their own standards cannot be viewed as beneficial to the industry whether or not the rest of the industry backs their moves. Lets not forget: MS has been found guilty of anti-trust laws regardless of the tepid nature of their supposed punishment. Is that the hallmark of a company that I could trust as the steward of industry standards.

I think not. Even if they had complete control of all standards (IOTW, MS API's are the standard), I wouldn't trust them. Their goal is to make money. That is not analogous to "making the tech industry a better place."

No, my friend, it is you, not I, that are injecting political statements and sentiments into this conversation. Statements blaming Mac-user and open source sentiment on Liberal agendas generally are...


As for the "Who is this guy?" comment, I think that would be a rather peculiar question given the number of "real names" used in a forum situation. Perhaps your social manipulation techniques have over flowed into a place that will no longer obey the same predictabilities of your own "Real Life". Instead of alienating me as "invalid" and presenting me with a wall of "this is what Everyone else does", I get to use my right of reply with a gifted confidence that your social pressures will not cause me any loss of enjoyment in my own "Real Life".


The reason I made such a *ahem* nasty comment is because your post is so egregiously off-topic. As I state above, it is absolutely and objectively wrong to associate a like of open standards with a given political movement or ideology. Its a generalization, and a nasty and untrue one at that. And your other statements clearly identify with current right-leaning movements and have no real place in this discussion.

"Who is this guy?" was a humorous way of labelling your diatribe as bull****.


I am SO glad of all the people who put years of their own lives developing alternative ways for people to access and continue to access information. Open source and web standards is the game, if Micro$oft don't want to play then I also ask "Who needs Internet Explorer?"

IMO, I think Micro$oft need IE (or similar) if they stand any chance in completely controlling the way people perceive online information in their "Real Life".

And now I address my utter confusion with your writing. From your first two posts on this thread, it seemed as though you clearly identified with MS's position. Now, you are siding with open source?

Part of my original complaint with your post was that it contributed nothing to the topic on hand. But maybe that was because I couldn't read through the heavy sarcasm, strained analogies and hyperbole. Whether you agree with my love of open standards or not, your writing style is not one I can easily understand.

I'll save judgment on whether this is your fault or mine...

Taft

[kettle]

Originally posted by Taft
And now I address my utter confusion with your writing. From your first two posts on this thread, it seemed as though you clearly identified with MS's position. Now, you are siding with open source?

You are unshure, and yet you continue to fire defining labels toward me. Here is a tip... next time you see 2+2=5 don't put on yer sheriff badge and scream wrong, instead, try to wonder a little as to why you think 2+2=5. In this case you could have decided to think that perhaps one of the 2's could infact be a 3. wow, imagine that.

Originally posted by Taft
No, my friend, it is you, not I, that are injecting political statements and sentiments into this conversation. Statements blaming Mac-user and open source sentiment on Liberal agendas generally are...

If you hadn't noticed, the whole notion of the "do I or don't I" support M$ and their grand plan of the world IS a far reaching political question.

My question was to why M$ shouldn't be considered a political issue, I know that it is, and so I know that your suggestion that I should try staying on topic is a little off the mark.

You will have also noticed my allegiance to "open source" another source for your own confussion, having presumably decided that I myself be of "right-wing thinking", infact my only dispute with this whole thread topic is being equated with the stereotypical statement "People who use the web for a living, and are not isolationist zealots living in denial." I disagree with the idea that someone who
decides not to use M$ internet Explorer is an isolationist zealot living in denial.

I also believe that the technique of stringing together some Politically Correct Buzzwords to shout down a persons opinion without the decency to provide a guide of logic to the opinion, is the main reason for political correctness getting so far out of hand, and yes I believe that a liberal agenda is the momentum behind the Politically Correct Movement.

That does not mean I am not of liberal thinking, politically or otherwise. It does make it rather hard to remember why my politics lie in the liberal field, the very liberal idea of being able to "think different" is now small printed with numerous PC sub clauses which now adjust the original idea of freedom to "Think like us or else"

Your problem with my opinion is that I identified with the M$ way as a defendable and justifiable position. It does not follow that because I understand something I automatically align myself with that choice of thinking.

On the most personable level, I'm not trying to fall out with anyone on here, I really enjoy reading this forum. I enjoy an exciting fight but I don't want to see anyone getting hurt.

P.S. I join you with your love of open standards, and thankyou for the kindly compliment of "Hyperbole" I find it to be an important ingredient of any piece of creative writing worth its salt.

ttfn