Mac OS X Theme Change in Leopard Seed 9A410

[MacRumors]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

An earlier article (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/04/12/leopard-build-9a410-seeded/) reported that Leopard Build 9A410 had been seeded to developers.


More images are mirrored here (http://www.tomwrote.info/downloads/apple/). Note: the hazy pattern of the screenshots appear to be an artifact of Leopard's screenshot tool.

edit: local mirror

[xUKHCx]

That screensaver, arabesque, looks extremely nice.

Need to fix this link because when i click on it from this thread it doesn't work.

An earlier article (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/04/12/leopard-build-9a410-seeded/) reported that Leopard Build 9A410 had been seeded to developers.

Edit: Fixed

[HailToTheVictor]

October for this?

It has the feeling of going backwards, I do not like the grey. Or maybe I am just in a bad mood

[GFLPraxis]

Looks like they just removed the brushed metal and made it grey. Just like iTunes is right now.

Cool.

EDIT: Oh, they made everything grey? Even things that were once white, like system preferences?

Not sure how fond I am of that.

[puckhead193]

cool, can't wait till October :(

[jessica.]

Well I'm not impressed. Bummer.

[clevin]

am i the only one think its ugly?

[monke]

I like the new look. Looks like Photobooth can do video effects now to. Either that or record video.

Love that new screensaver.

[darwen]

HaHa... I accadentally clicked the screenshot's close button when trying to close the window. oops. I'm dumb.

I like the new spotlight. We all kinda saw this transition coming though... didnt we?

[Smurfed]

am i the only one think its ugly?

No, it's kinda ugly. :(

[xUKHCx]

October for this?

I think they released the new UI to give everyone something to talk about apart from the fact that it is going to be delayed. Sort of proof that they are making progress after all Apple new this was going to be leaked.

I do not think this will be the final UI definitely needs work.

[Counter]

Guys, you obviously don't understand, it takes months to remove the brushed metal effect. Each window must be hand buffed and finished until it's perfectly smooth.

[curmi]

Finder windows still have ugly borders while other apps are going borderless (eg iChat). Did Apple leave anyone working on Leopard over the last 6 months, or was it one guy fiddling with colours while everyone else worked on the iPhone. :(

[macbookguy]

Are there any other sources on this? If not, I'm not 100% sure I believe it. It just looks like someone got Uno, which I use, working on OS X 10.5.

If it's true and it's catching up with iTunes, that'll be great. I just don't think that's the direction Apple will go in the end...

[darwen]

Did Apple leave anyone working on Leopard over the last 6 months, or was it one guy fiddling with colours while everyone else worked on the iPhone. :(

On the up side, the OS for the iPhone does look cool...

[corywoolf]

I haven't had any brushed metal on my Mac for about a year now. I actually got so used to the mod that I almost forgot Apple still hasn't changed it yet. I still can't believe Leopard is delayed because of the iPhone. Apple needs to get their priorities straight. :rolleyes:

[richmon22]

is it just the shot or do the windows have less rounded corners? not sure i like it

[applekid]

I don't know. In some places, it looks out of place. In spots, it looks gray, dull, and boring. It works for iTunes, but I don't know about everywhere else. I miss colors and glass :(

[slb]

Guys, you obviously don't understand, it takes months to remove the brushed metal effect. Each window must be hand buffed and finished until it's perfectly smooth.

Best comment yet. :)

[iMacZealot]

Interesting. I find it odd that the windows aren't rounded on the edges anymore.

I think we all knew it was going to go this way, a la iTunes and UNO. I'm surprised the buttons are the same. I would've thought they would have gone to that lavendar/grey color found in iTunes 7 and throughout the iPhone.

This, however, seems like not that big of a change. Is a bigger one coming? I like to think so.

[Variant]

I was expect more... this is pretty much UNO...

[leroy336]

lesigh. I can't say I'm digging it. What happened to the darker look?

[dartzorichalcos]

So where is the iTunes 7-like scrollbar? I think it's time for a change to Mac OS X.

[universityprof]

Why should we possibly care - especially on a day like today???????

[termite]

the hazy pattern of the screenshots appear to be an artifact of Leopard's screenshot tool.Wow. I hope the haziness doesn't include a watermark identifying the developer who did the screenshot, or the serial number of his Mac...

[PlaceofDis]

I was expect more... this is pretty much UNO...

that was my thought. and what makes me wonder if this is legit too.

[maxrobertson]

I don't like this replacing Aqua windows, but for brushed metal this would be a great change. One thing: does anyone else notice the eye button in Finder? It looks to me like an iTunes-like browser is going to be in the Finder.

Wow, I didn't realize that the windows are completely square... ugly

[Whistleway]

More images are mirrored here (http://www.tomwrote.info/downloads/apple/). Note: the hazy pattern of the screenshots appear to be an artifact of Leopard's screenshot tool.

WTF you mean by "mirrored here" ??? Does MR claim to be the original source of the images? BS..

[lancestraz]

Wow. I hope the haziness doesn't include a watermark identifying the developer who did the screenshot, or the serial number of his Mac...
Hee. I thought the same thing.

If this is the final UI for Leopard I'll eat my pillow. With ketchup of course.

[RichP]

I still can't believe Leopard is delayed because of the iPhone. Apple needs to get their priorities straight. :rolleyes:

Actually, they do. iPhone is a bigger priority. Face it, Leopard is new for us, not most (read: windows) users. If a product like iphone or ipod or some commercial makes a person interested in OSX, Tiger is alone is 99% new enough to them to make the switch. Its not like Tiger is particularly outdated in any way.

Question is: With Leopard delayed, can we assume the same for iLife and iWork?

[jacka55]

Wow. I hope the haziness doesn't include a watermark identifying the developer who did the screenshot, or the serial number of his Mac...

I've thought this to be a "good idea" for Apple to implement in pre-release products.

[dornoforpyros]

So their keeping the jellybeans still? yuck

[Small White Car]

WTF you mean by "mirrored here" ??? Does MR claim to be the original source of the images? BS..

Well, the original link goes to hackint0sh.org. The "mirrored here" link goes to tomwrote.info.

In internet lingo "mirrored" means that the same things have been posted on 2 different sites.

It usually does NOT mean that a totally different THIRD site is trying to steal credit from either of the first two sites. I'd love to hear how you came to that conclusion.

[arn]

WTF you mean by "mirrored here" ??? Does MR claim to be the original source of the images? BS..

nope. sorry. didn't mean to imply that. also didn't realize exactly where the images had come from when it was originally posted. there was a rather odd sequence of events how the images came up.

arn

[nagromme]

Not everything's grey... but everything may be grey on the top part?

Hey, as long as it's ONE metal look and not three, I'm happy :) I'd like to see better shots that show if there's any texture or not--I'm thinking not.

The square corners will take some getting used to! :mad: Ahhh.... the things we Mac users have to worry about would make some people jealous :p

EDIT: OK, I'm used to the square corners now. Safari looks great with the new metal... AND I see the glass-style scrollbars (which I prefer to the iTunes ones) are still there. For now.

[spyderracer393]

boy I sure hope they don't go along with square windows....I love the rounded corners. but i must say, the new look for the finder looks nice

[wakerider017]

Why should we possibly care - especially on a day like today???????

Leopard is coming out in October... It is not the end of the world.

[CRAZYBUBBA]

What a waste of time... utter waste.. in fact I prefer the tiger look, it looks more contemporary.. this coloring thing was possible ten years ago.. I feel like its a step backwards

Guys, you obviously don't understand, it takes months to remove the brushed metal effect. Each window must be hand buffed and finished until it's perfectly smooth.

[Will_reed]

So where is the iTunes 7-like scrollbar? I think it's time for a change to Mac OS X.

I like the itunes 7 look as much as the next dude, But those aqua scroll bars need to stay!

Viva la resistance!

[psycoswimmer]

Not sure if anyone noticed this...

In the Finder window, look at the back/forward buttons. The arrows are closer together than usual (open Finder and compare) and I don't like it. They're off-center.

[G5Unit]

I would like something more like UNO.

[Chaszmyr]

Let's hope this is temporary while Apple works on a new UI.

I mean come on, surely this has to be temporary, this looks awful.

http://www.tomwrote.info/downloads/apple/arabesque.jpg

[iMacZealot]

What a waste of time... utter waste.. in fact I prefer the tiger look, it looks more contemporary.. this coloring thing was possible ten years ago.. I feel like its a step backwards

I feel like it's more of an evolution of Platinum, not Aqua. Platinum was based on darker greys with sharp edged windows. Aqua was the opposite of that: rounded windows based on white pinstripes and colorful, blue buttons and scrollers. Even this new look isn't as dark as the "aluminum" look of Tiger Mail, System Preferences, iTunes 5/6/7, and the preview of iChat 4.

[3D-Troll]

I'm just happy that the rounded corners at the top are gone. Never liked those.

Steffen

[Shotgun OS]

Wow..is that......fuuugly.:(
Doesn't matter, though...once everyone gets Leopard, everyone will adapt to the new theme.

[Lixivial]

The arrows are closer together than usual (open Finder and compare) and I don't like it.

I guess you can add it to the bug list then. :rolleyes:

Some of us are forgetting that this is a developer release, and not even a beta. That means that, for all intents and purposes, it's not meant for your eyes unless you've paid the money. The point is that critiquing a theme in progress seems a little, well, absurd.

It makes an interesting discussion as to the general direction that it may be going, but point-by-point critiques?

[eXan]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

An earlier article (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/04/12/leopard-build-9a410-seeded/) reported that Leopard Build 9A410 had been seeded to developers.

The most obvious visual change in the newest build is a shift away from "Brushed Metal" which Apple uses in many applications such as Safari and Finder. Screenshots of the new look show a simpler look:

More images are mirrored here (http://www.tomwrote.info/downloads/apple/). Note: the hazy pattern of the screenshots appear to be an artifact of Leopard's screenshot tool.

Urgh, just keep the Tiger look. Hate new Sys Prefs, white is definately better. Finder sill has very thick borders. Why no rounded corners at all? Spotlight looks just like (ugly) iTunes 7, I like the current look much more.

Hope its fake :rolleyes:

Leopard is becoming the worst update in my eyes (Not counting first 3 releases, but Jaguar was definately a leap forward compared to Puma) - no killer features like Expose in Panther (Expose is the best OS X feature IMO), Spotlight and many smaller things in Tiger. Ugly look and a very long time to develop. And it now hold the development of iLife and iWork. Bad

[Erasmus]

It's just so not. There is no way Apple would stay with a UI as bland as this. All this means is that the developers get a quickly put together replacement UI, to hide the sweet looking one that will be available on the final release of Leopard, and will be demoed and announced at WWDC. I mean, the purpose of developer releases is so people can make sure their software runs well on the new OS, and that there aren't many flaws. You don't need an experienced software developer to tell you that your new UI looks awesome, and SJ wants to make a big deal out of it, and not let the Leopard out of the box just yet.

I call BS that Leopard will look anything like this.

[janitorC7]

They are not that square. The Grab Program in Leopard disables certain core images, capturing only the first layer, and not the UI template. My guess is that this is because of something with Core Animation.

[gloss]

It's just so not. There is no way Apple would stay with a UI as bland as this. All this means is that the developers get a quickly put together replacement UI, to hide the sweet looking one that will be available on the final release of Leopard, and will be demoed and announced at WWDC.

I call BS that Leopard will look anything like this.

I have to agree.

[Stella]

Screenshot on front page:

wow, look at all that wasted space... just like existing Finder.
Crap UI.

[Marble]

Could use some good news about now, and this isn't it. :o

[twoodcc]

it looks nice and all.....but come october, it better be a heck of a lot better than that

[Vagcmyevad]

I have to agree [that the interface shown will not be the final interface].

I also agree. The UI in 9A410 is definitely a placeholder for something bigger to come...:cool:

[samh004]

I read most of the comments in this thread before I viewed the photos, and I was expecting the worst, but it's not actually that bad. A unified look is what everyone has been wanting for a long time, and this is a beta.

In some cases I like the gray look they are using now. It's actually nicer than brushed metal, however, the problem with it is that it clashes with the white-colored content areas in windows (examples are top of spotlight compared to bottom of spotlight, system prefs, open window and to a certain extent photo booth).

In the finder it looks alright because there really isn't a clash of themes.

I really liked the theme of mail right now, so I hope that they will include 2 unified looks in Leopard when it ships, this gray one, and a white one too. Allowing users to change the whole theme would be a pretty good step to take I reckon, especially seeing both themes are very nice, but you really shouldn't use both at the same time.

On the issue of the straight corners, at first I was skeptical, but it will actually create a nicer look when you put 2 windows next to each other (instead of right now where you have a few pixels showing through from behind around the corners).

Not sure if anyone noticed this...

In the Finder window, look at the back/forward buttons. The arrows are closer together than usual (open Finder and compare) and I don't like it. They're off-center.

Ooh your right, that is bad... I'd imagine they'll def want to fix that.

Edit: Notice how the spotlight back/forward buttons aren't suffering from the same issue and the view change is actually in a different order with a different button at the end. You'd of thought they'd keep them the same.

[crees!]

EDIT: Oh, they made everything grey? Even things that were once white, like system preferences?

Not sure how fond I am of that.

Okay then. Just give Steve a call up and tell him to change it because of your personal preference. I'm sure he'll listen, to you.

[j-a-x]

I kinda like the color scheme in mail (although I may be the only one - I've heard a lot of complaints). This looks like mail only darker. Almost like something between mail and brushed metal. I also like the way Camino looks (same style as mail, at least the beta I am using). I wish they'd make everything look like that.

[joachim]

I like it.

I understand that it might look bland, but that's the point. If you're working with applications, you don't want to spend time ogling or being distracted with a bright color or multiple elements. The point of an UI is to make things simple and easy to use, while applications, your main focus stands out more.

[jhesse]

Wow. I hope the haziness doesn't include a watermark identifying the developer who did the screenshot, or the serial number of his Mac...

The 'haze' is a repeating 16 x 16 pixel area, with 16 distinct levels of gray in it.

That's enough to encode 128 bytes of information.

[juanm]

I'm I the only weirdo here who actually likes, in a certain way, the smeared pattern on the right side in the finder and open windows? It has some kind of interesting paper texture look... :o
To make it look interesting, however, I have to bend my macbook glossy screen backwards (opening the lid more than usual)

[Xapplimatic]

EEWWW!!!! SQUARE WINDOW CORNERS! EEWWWWWW! HOW WINDOWS!!! (side note: We have to wait until when? For that? OMG.. enter the new era of the Apple$oft Corporation. Mac OS Vista will be coming soon.)

[stainlessliquid]

horrible

The grey is much too dark and I have no idea why they ditched rounded corners (the ONLY reason I dont use UNO is because the bottom corners arent rounded, if they were rounded then UNO would be great). Why the hell did it take Apple so long to show this? Are they really that afraid that some company is going to steal this bad idea of theirs? The shade of grey in the preferences is much better than this, this is just amateur.

Obviously the UI will be changed a little for the final, but I dont see why they would make dramatic changes, they would have just stuck with brushed metal.

[EagerDragon]

It is not just the 4 month delay that is causing the disappointment, its the trend. MacWorld in January saw no new Mac hardware or software, instead the iPhone and Apple TV were anounced there, thats a bit disrespectful to all those people that go to MacWorld to see new Mac anouncements, after all is is "Mac"World. They also said little to nothing about iLife and iWorld at MacWorld, here we are in April and we have yet to hear much about those products, when normaly they are released and expected by the customers in Jan at MacWorld. At the same MacWorld Apple Computer changed their name by dropping the computer part. Then they lied about "10.5 not going to be delayed", now they said it is delayed until October and they use as the excuse the iPhone.

What you see is big time frustration over Apple lesser comitment to the Mac platform, the lies, and the disrespect to the users that have supported the company for many years. Is this the mark of a larger company?

People have a right to be big time disappointed, not just for the delay but for the trend and shift in priorities.

Ill buy Leopard when it comes out, but im disappointed in the priority shift and the way Mac users are being treated by the new Apple.

A sad day when they can not be honest with their customer base. Say no comment, but don't lie. Tell us you gave it a good try but the code for the new features was harder than expected, but don't lie.

[jumpinjohn]

WTF you mean by "mirrored here" ??? Does MR claim to be the original source of the images? BS..
WTF??? WTF??? Chill out. Did you try to get to the images with the first link? I was asked for a password. Thanks MR for giving us an alternative link. Whether it is formally a "mirror" or not.
jeez lighten up.

See 'ya,
John

BTW, the new look is less than what I had hoped. Therefore I hope it is ultimately different than the representations so far... :)

[shrimpdesign]

Better screenshots here:

http://flickr.com/photos/shrimpdesign/tags/leopard/

[sam10685]

october? wow. this better be extremely good. LOTS of "top-secret features"...

[queshy]

Not impressed, what we have now is just as good/better. But yeah, maybe we're just all in a bad mood.

[SpaceJello]

People have a right to be big time disappointed, not just for the delay but for the trend and shift in priorities.


i am just as disappointed to hear about the leopard delay. But do we really need all these updates yearly? As long as its not like Window delays I am happy.

And could this shift in priorities be temporary? With iPhone, I can't blame Apple for not focusing on that. This is this HYPED up device. If Apple screws up (and YES Apple has screwed up in the pass) its a big disappointment. There are a lot of expectations riding on it, given iPod's success.

I won't be so quick to judge Apple's priorities till a years time when iPhone has been out and Leopard is out.

[mustard]

horrible

The grey is much too dark and I have no idea why they ditched rounded corners (the ONLY reason I dont use UNO is because the bottom corners arent rounded, if they were rounded then UNO would be great). Why the hell did it take Apple so long to show this? Are they really that afraid that some company is going to steal this bad idea of theirs? The shade of grey in the preferences is much better than this, this is just amateur.

Obviously the UI will be changed a little for the final, but I dont see why they would make dramatic changes, they would have just stuck with brushed metal.

Apple didn't show this - some one decided to break there disclosure agreement, or it is a temp GUI, or it is a hoax via shapeshifter, or a photoshop job. It isn't gospel until Apple tells us that it is and even then they can't please everyone.

[xUKHCx]

Better screenshots here:

http://flickr.com/photos/shrimpdesign/tags/leopard/

Saved from the other thread where it was first shown?

[iMacZealot]

Better screenshots here:

http://flickr.com/photos/shrimpdesign/tags/leopard/

Looking at that second photo, since when was Exposé an application???? :confused:

[SpaceJello]

october? wow. this better be extremely good. LOTS of "top-secret features"...

I have a feeling there are a lot of iPhone, AppleTV interactions. Definitely iPhone

[macjackpro]

dang, those corners look sharp...as in not rounded at all...as in pointed. Frankly, I like the color of mail for the OS X bundled apps.

[synth3tik]

You know, this kind of pisses me off now that we have to wait until fall:(

[amnesiak]

the buttons on safari looks weird..

[lancestraz]

dang, those corners look sharp...as in not rounded at all...as in pointed. Frankly, I like the color of mail for the OS X bundled apps.
The article on the front page now reads:
Note: the hazy pattern of the screenshots and squared windows appear to be an artifact of Leopard's screenshot tool, and the windows are rounded in the other screenshots (http://www.macrumors.com/c.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fflickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fshrimpdesign%2Ftags%2Fleopard%2F&t=1176434402)

[mustard]

Better screenshots here:

http://flickr.com/photos/shrimpdesign/tags/leopard/

Thanks for the link, those images show that the rounded corners that everyone is getting their panties twisted about are still in the realm of possibility.

[xUKHCx]

Looking at that second photo, since when was Exposé an application???? :confused:

Since Leopard, was in the original preview that Steve showed us.

[Darkroom]

i think 10.5 is going to be gorgeous!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v365/geoff_mattie/finder.jpg

[shrimpdesign]

Saved from the other thread where it was first shown?

Yup.

[mkjellman]

all: these pictures break the NDA agreement that all Select and Premiere ADC members agree too.


Apple Isn't Done...People on this forum without ADC memberships shouldn't see/pass judgement on these builds
the windows are not actually square in the os itself. i'm working in the build...stop crying wolf
everyone on here complains that we havn't seen a UI change, Apple makes some changes and everyone wants Tiger back. Pick something and stick with it.
The "Eye" icon people are refering to is called "QuickLook"...I'm not saying anything else. It's very very cool though.
Build quality between prior builds and this one are night and day. Apple may have delayed it but anyone who has been using these builds knows that it was necessary for them to do so.
Software Update has seen some refinements, as well as so many little things in the OS. This is shaping up to be the biggest change through the OS in the history of the OS. (Printer changes are slick, very slick as well as changes in the Control Panels)
Please wait to pass judgement until you use it yourself. If your so interested, pay the money and get an ADC membership, otherwise, wait for October. It's worth it.

[mustard]

i think 10.5 is going to be gorgeous!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v365/geoff_mattie/finder.jpg

That is pure sex there. Do you have access to any other screen grabs.



Just kidding - Funny though

[xUKHCx]

Where are the Time Machine and Spaces icons in the dock?

They've been removed. Apparently they are just like the dashboard icon in Tiger, i.e possible to remove but usually there by default.

[EagerDragon]

i am just as disappointed to hear about the leopard delay. But do we really need all these updates yearly? As long as its not like Window delays I am happy.

And could this shift in priorities be temporary? With iPhone, I can't blame Apple for not focusing on that. This is this HYPED up device. If Apple screws up (and YES Apple has screwed up in the pass) its a big disappointment. There are a lot of expectations riding on it, given iPod's success.

I won't be so quick to judge Apple's priorities till a years time when iPhone has been out and Leopard is out.

Yea I understand why the focus is on the phone, they have shreholders that need their bank rolls to grow. It is also cool technology and several other products will likely benefit from the new technology. But ..... just say you may be late, or you are going to be late because OSX new capabilities is taking longer than expected and due to some resource changes. It is bad form to flat out lie and deny the original post of a delay until October. Just the other day they said it would not going to be delayed, not they said it is (OSX).

Yea I understand follow the money, but be honest to the customer or you lose their faith in you and long term may cust you loyal customers.

[macjackpro]

Thanks for pointing that out. Yea, it looks like the iLife apps.



The article on the front page now reads:

[chubad]

am i the only one think its ugly?

No your not. This looks terrible.:(

[iMacZealot]

i am just as disappointed to hear about the leopard delay. But do we really need all these updates yearly? As long as its not like Window delays I am happy.

Yeah, this is what I've been telling people. OS X gets advancements every 1-2.5 years, whereas people in the windows world of dull big boxes are still oohing and ahhing over an operating system that's virtually untouched since the day it shipped almost six years ago.

[deanbo]

Apples biggest competition would have to be Microsoft. Yet they focus on producing a mobile phone instead of an answer to Vista. I can really see a mobile phone company running Apple out of business...

[lancestraz]

i think 10.5 is going to be gorgeous!

the_image
I happen to know that that screenshot is a fake.
Here is the real deal. Apple is going back to basics. (click for larger version)
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5066/leakedfinderuiuk8.jpg

[aristotle]

October for this?

It has the feeling of going backwards, I do not like the grey. Or maybe I am just in a bad mood
No, they are delaying because they have to shift resources. Apple is a small company compared to MSFT and it is amazing what they have already done with OS X considering their size in such a short time.

There are a number of under the hood things that have to be ironed out before it can be released. No, they will not be spending all their efforts on the new theme.
:rolleyes:

[shawnce]

all: these pictures break the NDA agreement that all Select and Premiere ADC members agree too.


Apple Isn't Done...People on this forum without ADC memberships shouldn't see/pass judgement on these builds
the windows are not actually square in the os itself. i'm working in the build...stop crying wolf
everyone on here complains that we havn't seen a UI change, Apple makes some changes and everyone wants Tiger back. Pick something and stick with it.
The "Eye" icon people are refering to is called "QuickLook"...I'm not saying anything else. It's very very cool though.
Build quality between prior builds and this one are night and day. Apple may have delayed it but anyone who has been using these builds knows that it was necessary for them to do so.
Software Update has seen some refinements, as well as so many little things in the OS. This is shaping up to be the biggest change through the OS in the history of the OS. (Printer changes are slick, very slick as well as changes in the Control Panels)
Please wait to pass judgement until you use it yourself. If your so interested, pay the money and get an ADC membership, otherwise, wait for October. It's worth it.


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(posting from Leopard 9A410)

[samh004]

Just thought I'd chime in again and mention how I better understand the reason to use the gray theme now, as the lighter-colored theme is for windows not in focus, as shows in the photos on flickr.

So I am starting to like the new look... although I still reckon the current look for mail is better (but I can see how that would be harder for them to then distinguish from windows not in focus - dark compared to light).

I'm sure a few more features will escape out to the web in time... can't wait to hear what "QuickLook" looks like, or what it actually does :P

[iMacZealot]

I would assume QuickLooks is like a preview of a document, like what we saw Scott Forestall show in his Time Machine demonstration. Remember the black window came up showing his son's missing keynote presentation? That's my guess on what this is.

[xUKHCx]

I would assume QuickLooks is like a preview of a document, like what we saw Scott Forestall show in his Time Machine demonstration. Remember the black window came up showing his son's missing keynote presentation? That's my guess on what this is.

Wasn't this already known. It is what it is.

[SpaceJello]

Yea I understand follow the money, but be honest to the customer or you lose their faith in you and long term may cust you loyal customers.

Haha, that I agree, its bad form. Many companies do that as well... Windows with Vista, Nintendo with DS lite (they say they weren't going to upgrade and next we know they are). I think its common practice (not necessarily a good one) but many companies do play with PR etc.

The thing about loyal customer is really a thing of the past, many go for the cheapest, and then if they loose me or you as a customer, they will pick up one. We are very disposable for big corps. A number :D

[iMacZealot]

Wasn't this already known. It is what it is.

The guy above me in the last post didn't seem to know.

EDIT: Oops, I didn't notice the :P. I just can't pick up sarcasm well that isn't spoken.

[ChildOL]

It is not just the 4 month delay that is causing the disappointment, its the trend. MacWorld in January saw no new Mac hardware or software, instead the iPhone and Apple TV were anounced there, thats a bit disrespectful to all those people that go to MacWorld to see new Mac anouncements, after all is is "Mac"World. They also said little to nothing about iLife and iWorld at MacWorld, here we are in April and we have yet to hear much about those products, when normaly they are released and expected by the customers in Jan at MacWorld. At the same MacWorld Apple Computer changed their name by dropping the computer part. Then they lied about "10.5 not going to be delayed", now they said it is delayed until October and they use as the excuse the iPhone.

What you see is big time frustration over Apple lesser comitment to the Mac platform, the lies, and the disrespect to the users that have supported the company for many years. Is this the mark of a larger company?

People have a right to be big time disappointed, not just for the delay but for the trend and shift in priorities.

Ill buy Leopard when it comes out, but im disappointed in the priority shift and the way Mac users are being treated by the new Apple.

A sad day when they can not be honest with their customer base. Say no comment, but don't lie. Tell us you gave it a good try but the code for the new features was harder than expected, but don't lie.

Well said...

I would like to also say that you speak for me and many other Macintosh users who are starting to feel left out and abandoned. Maybe I'm spoiled, but I will say this, OS X is a great secure and stable OS BUT all these releases have been adding things that Windows and OS9 has had for a long time (not counting the handful of innovative new features like expose and dashboard).

To a lot of long-time Windows users like me, OS X STILL seems like a Beta OS... 10.0 (was like a preview, far from complete), 10.1 (faster but still far from complete), 10.2 (more features but not complete), 10.3 (handful of innovative features but the OS is not complete), 10.4 (some more innovative features but STILL the OS is not complete), how long must we wait? Is it ever going to be complete? I mean 10.5 will probably only be about 80% complete and this is all because Apple started completely over in their OS from OS9. My bet is that all 10.x releases are just Apple building a complete OS that we won't see until v11.1 if that.

I don't want to list all the things OS X lacks in that other modern OSes have, lets just say themes and performance issues are only a fraction of the list.

Ubuntu Linux is calling, and I am tempted to answer (FYI Ubuntu updates every 6 months to a new version adding LOTS of features and OS capabilities etc. ALSO Linux is free, open source, secure, stable, and extremely customizable)

[capone2]

brushed steel, i cant wait. i always hated it!!!

very excited

i give that 6 apples....

:apple: :apple: :apple: :apple: :apple: :apple: :apple:

[xUKHCx]

The guy above me in the last post didn't seem to know.

EDIT: Oops, I didn't notice the :P. I just can't pick up sarcasm well that isn't spoken.

Must say i have read the entire apple.com section on Leopard. As per your edit, i have no idea what you are talking about.

See here (http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/spotlight.html) or below:


Sometimes you just don’t want to wait. That’s why Leopard introduces Quick Look, a new way to preview a document, picture, or slideshow in a single click, without opening an application. Select a search result and Quick Look displays the result — an iPhoto snapshot, a PDF, an Address Book contact — in a graphic overlay. Quick Look even plays your QuickTime movies, right in the preview window.

[ortuno2k]

Okay, what is this? To shut us up? To help us cope with our dissapointment?

Sure is welcome, but to try to cover the Sun with one finger? No.

[Object-X]

Why should we possibly care - especially on a day like today???????


What a bunch of cry babies. So you have to wait four months. You'll get over it. :rolleyes: Good things are worth waiting for.

Though I like the brushed metal theme, it's time for a change. iTunes looks nice and I welcome a more unified theme accross applications. It looks infinitely better than Vista. I mean seriously...with all their money can't Microsoft find better designers?

[psychometry]

To a lot of long-time Windows users like me, OS X STILL seems like a Beta OS... 10.0 (was like a preview, far from complete), 10.1 (faster but still far from complete), 10.2 (more features but not complete), 10.3 (handful of innovative features but the OS is not complete), 10.4 (some more innovative features but STILL the OS is not complete), how long must we wait? Is it ever going to be complete? I mean 10.5 will probably only be about 80% complete and this is all because Apple started completely over in their OS from OS9. My bet is that all 10.x releases are just Apple building a complete OS that we won't see until v11.1 if that.
Are you on crack? What sort of features are missing? How is it less than complete? Are you aware that you can add functionality to an operating system through software known as applications? Maybe then your computing experience will realize its metaphysical completeness.

I don't want to list all the things OS X lacks in that other modern OSes have, lets just say themes and performance issues are only a fraction of the list.
No, please list them.

[Object-X]

brushed steel, i cant wait. i always hated it!!!

very excited

i give that 6 apples....

:apple: :apple: :apple: :apple: :apple: :apple: :apple:

Uh, you gave it 7 apples actually.

[sblasl]

TOUCHE!!!!!


This sums it up as to how I actually feel right now. :apple: is a company without a compass at this time.

Where they appear to be currently is truly disappointing.

i think 10.5 is going to be gorgeous!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v365/geoff_mattie/finder.jpg

[Object-X]

Are you on crack? What sort of features are missing? How is it less than complete? Are you aware that you can add functionality to an operating system through software known as applications? Maybe then your computing experience will realize its metaphysical completeness.


No, please list them.

ChildOL is a troll, double posts and all.

[robPOD]

:apple: is a company without a compass at this time.

Where they appear to be currently is truly disappointing.

I fully agree. Come on apple!

[shawnce]

I fully agree. Come on apple!

Wow are folks really that disconnected from how well Apple is actually performing...? :confused:

[phytonix]

Has Apple lost their mind?

All brick like Mac mini + AirPort Base Station + Apple TV
and now this? Totally a step backward!!!

Apple is the second M$ with no taste????

[ChildOL]

ChildOL is a troll, double posts and all.

I am not a troll and I rarely post. The double post I guess was because I was forced to re-login.

[nagromme]

Wow are folks really that disconnected from how well Apple is actually performing...? :confused:

Yes they are. A 4 month delay is a blow... but compared to what Windows has faced and is facing, still trying to catch up to the Tiger we have now?

Here's the logic of some who are shrieking in agony today:

1. All companies are less than 100% perfect.

2. Apple too is not perfect.

3. A 4 month delay while we already have an OS (Tiger) better than Vista is exactly the same as a 3 year delay and an inferior OS piled with malware.

4. Screenshots showing tiny UI tweaks (showing an improvement in consistency) that were leaked without Apple's knowledge are a second crime by Apple!

5. A lot of people care about the iPhone, but those people don't matter because I don't want one personally, and that makes the iPhone evil!

6. Therefore, Apple is FULLY AS BAD as Microsoft.

7. Therefore, Apple is WORSE than Microsoft!

8. And Apple poisoned my DOG FOOD too!

And they say Mac "zealots" can say no wrong about Apple, and worship Steve blindly :p

Me, I guess I'm not suffering quite as much as some claim to be. I'll complain about the disappointing delay, reserve judgement on the UI details for now, and see if the sun rises tomorrow or not :)

[pengu]

Apples biggest competition would have to be Microsoft. Yet they focus on producing a mobile phone instead of an answer to Vista. I can really see a mobile phone company running Apple out of business...

Right. because Microsoft don't make a Mobile phone OS?
and as for an "answer" to Vista. I'm pretty sure they have one. it's called OS X v10.4

[ChildOL]

Yes they are. A 4 month delay is a blow... but compared to what Windows has faced and is facing, still trying to catch up to the Tiger we have now?

And they say Mac "zealots" can say no wrong about Apple, and worship Steve blindly :p

I suppose personally I am feeling the brunt of this and am a bit bitter since I like Apple because of their OS, and I still use a G4 powermac so I have that "left behind" thing going on. I watch flash videos every day and flash sucks on a mac and I wish they would fix it and so I hope with every release of OS X that it will be fixed but alas it is not :(

[Cougarcat]

IMHO the interesting thing here is not the theme (which can be fixed via uno, thank god) but of the browse button in the finder. A mini iTunes/iPhoto, perhaps? Interesting, but further proof that the Finder won't get its long overdue overhaul.

[Lixivial]

Must say i have read the entire apple.com section on Leopard. As per your edit, i have no idea what you are talking about.

It goes a bit further than what is stated there. If you watch the Mac OS X State of the Union (at about 1:13:45), which is free on iTunes, Scott Forstall states that one of its primary purpose is to create Rich Icon Previews of the document in Finder, Spotlight or Time Machine icon view. These are accessible for developers to write modules for their document formats in much the same way as spotlight importers are (I believe, anyway).

Its other primary function is to provide the graphic overlay that apple.com states.

[iMacZealot]

I supposed personally I am feeling the brunt of this since I like Apple because of their OS, and I still use a G4 powermac so I have that "left behind" thing going on. I watch flash videos every day and flash sucks on a mac and I wish they would fix it and so I hope with every release of OS X that it will be fixed but alas it is not :(

So, let me get you straight...you claim to not be a troll and use a mac for the operating system, but you complain that the operating system has never been complete every since 10.0?

Please elaborate.

[nagromme]

I supposed personally I am feeling the brunt of this and am a bit bitter since I like Apple because of their OS, and I still use a G4 powermac so I have that "left behind" thing going on. I watch flash videos every day and flash sucks on a mac and I wish they would fix it and so I hope with every release of OS X that it will be fixed but alas it is not :(

Flash doesn't need an OS X update I fear, so much as it needs a player update from Adobe. Luckily, Adobe seems to have been busy delivering Intel Mac goodies lately :)

That won't help your G4, but it may help your next Mac! (Although my G4 1.24 seems to handle Flash video just fine--but I'm sure some sites run at sizes where that would not be true.)

[dante@sisna.com]

I fully agree. Come on apple!

The tone of many of the posts in this thread are stuck in the past, in the old ways of computing

Apple has never had better direction, they have never had a more solid, future-oriented focus that will grow the entire brand, including the OS.

[Howmanoid]

Apple has this incredible knack for subtracting and subtracting design elements until they are left with the purest expression of what they are trying to do. This new look for the finder window is a beatiful example of what design really is. It's amazing that a tech company gets it to this degree!!

[iancapable]

Yes they are. A 4 month delay is a blow... but compared to what Windows has faced and is facing, still trying to catch up to the Tiger we have now?

Here's the logic of some who are shrieking in agony today:

1. All companies are less than 100% perfect.

2. Apple too is not perfect.

3. A 4 month delay while we already have an OS (Tiger) better than Vista is exactly the same as a 3 year delay and an inferior OS piled with malware.

4. Screenshots showing tiny UI tweaks (showing an improvement in consistency) that were leaked without Apple's knowledge are a second crime by Apple!

5. A lot of people care about the iPhone, but those people don't matter because I don't want one personally, and that makes the iPhone evil!

6. Therefore, Apple is FULLY AS BAD as Microsoft.

7. Therefore, Apple is WORSE than Microsoft!

8. And Apple poisoned my DOG FOOD too!

And they say Mac "zealots" can say no wrong about Apple, and worship Steve blindly :p

Me, I guess I'm not suffering quite as much as some claim to be. I'll complain about the disappointing delay, reserve judgement on the UI details for now, and see if the sun rises tomorrow or not :)

To be honest, I'm not too bothered about the delay. I'm happy with tiger at the moment. It has everything I need and to me, thats enough for now.

Would be nice to get a better theme in leopard. But at least they are introducing consistency.

[jialuolu]

I think it looks worse than the current brushed metal look.. I was hoping the new UI would use darker greys. This look reminds me of plastic surfaces that scratch really easily :confused:

[iBookG4user]

The new theme change in Leopard looks a little bit better than the brushed metal and I kind of like it. Although they should make the theme a lighter grey.

[nagromme]

I think it looks worse than the current brushed metal look.. I was hoping the new UI would use darker greys. This look reminds me of plastic surfaces that scratch really easily :confused:

That is the PERFECT headline for Cnet :D "Apple's Acclaimed OS X Leopard Plagued By Scratch Marks"!

I'm not sure how darker grays make a UI look more scratch-proof than light grays, but then that comes down to personal taste*

The new theme change in Leopard looks a little bit better than the brushed metal and I kind of like it. Although they should make the theme a lighter grey.

* I rest my case :)

[shrimpdesign]

I don't want to list all the things OS X lacks in that other modern OSes have, lets just say themes and performance issues are only a fraction of the list.

Ubuntu Linux is calling, and I am tempted to answer (FYI Ubuntu updates every 6 months to a new version adding LOTS of features and OS capabilities etc. ALSO Linux is free, open source, secure, stable, and extremely customizable)

I find OS X performs great, and if you really want themes, then pick up Shapeshifter.

And yes, Ubuntu is free, updated every 6 months, extremely customizable, etc, etc. Yadda yadda. Not to bash Linux or anything, but it's complicated. It's extremely customizable at a price. And it's also free at a price. It takes more time to set it up.

In a way, it does cost: it costs me time. Since i'm a fulltime college student, working 10 hours a week, doing freelance web design jobs, planning a wedding ... I don't have time to configure the darn X server so that it gets my exact display settings. Or figuring out the Wi-fi driver linux mess ... Sure, there are people that Linux is great for, and you may very well love it, but it has it's shortcomings, just as Windows and OS X have theirs.

Yes, Ubuntu has great forums and community where people will help you... but 8 times out of 10, you'll be using the command line interface to install some random thing that you obviously need, but wasn't included for whatever reason. Since OS X caters specifically to Mac users, they can optimize for specific Mac machines.

I've installed Ubuntu a couple of times on a partition alongside OS X, and I've always used OS X more. I'm not saying everyone has to like OS X, but you act as if Ubuntu is totally free, which it isn't. It takes your time.

Personally, I want an OS, not a chore.

[wmmk]

Hmmm...
At first, UNO seemed cool to me, but then I realized the wisdom in a non-unified GUI:
You can tell apps apart more easily

I still hate brushed metal and stripes, but like having some degree of variety in my UI. Now I use SmoothStripes (http://www.maxthemes.com/themes/?theme=SmoothStripes), which would have been nice for apple to fine tune a bit. Anyhow, it is a developer's preview, so no biggie. I don't mind waiting for October for Leopard because it gives more time to save up for it. Some of us need to stop thinking about OS X for a couple of minutes, get outside, and inhale a deep breath of fresh optimism and realism. Seriously, 3 months of waiting for an OS or having an overly gray user interface isn't too terrible in comparison to the bombings in the Iraqi Parliament or the offense taken at Don Imus's terrible comments.

[ChildOL]

I find OS X performs great, and if you really want themes, then pick up Shapeshifter.

And yes, Ubuntu is free, updated every 6 months, extremely customizable, etc, etc. Yadda yadda. Not to bash Linux or anything, but it's complicated. It's extremely customizable at a price. And it's also free at a price. It takes more time to set it up.

In a way, it does cost: it costs me time. Since i'm a fulltime college student, working 10 hours a week, doing freelance web design jobs, planning a wedding ... I don't have time to configure the darn X server so that it gets my exact display settings. Or figuring out the Wi-fi driver linux mess ... Sure, there are people that Linux is great for, and you may very well love it, but it has it's shortcomings, just as Windows and OS X have theirs.

Yes, Ubuntu has great forums and community where people will help you... but 8 times out of 10, you'll be using the command line interface to install some random thing that you obviously need, but wasn't included for whatever reason. Since OS X caters specifically to Mac users, they can optimize for specific Mac machines.

I've installed Ubuntu a couple of times on a partition alongside OS X, and I've always used OS X more. I'm not saying everyone has to like OS X, but you act as if Ubuntu is totally free, which it isn't. It takes your time.

Personally, I want an OS, not a chore.

I agree, Linux is usually a chore.

[psychometry]

I suppose personally I am feeling the brunt of this and am a bit bitter since I like Apple because of their OS, and I still use a G4 powermac so I have that "left behind" thing going on. I watch flash videos every day and flash sucks on a mac and I wish they would fix it and so I hope with every release of OS X that it will be fixed but alas it is not :(
Um, Apple doesn't make Flash. That would be Macromedia/Adobe. I suggest you take up your gripe with them.

I can't recall a single problem I've had with Flash video (I use a G4 Powerbook). My thinking is that the errors you're experiencing are somewhere between the chair and the keyboard.

You know, I don't believe that you're not a troll. I really hope you're not because your astounding ignorance reflects very poorly on the Mac community.

[bleachthru]

Performance aside, I am all for change; but if you are going to get rid of the brushed metal look, at least surpass it with something that looks as good or better. I think the plain grey is about as aesthetically pleasing as a DMV.

[Superdrive]

I was expect more... this is pretty much UNO...

Uno!

Hopefully this is just a hold over for something Aqua or new. As stated earlier in the thread this is a turn back to Platinum.

[nagromme]

Hmmm...
At first, UNO seemed cool to me, but then I realized the wisdom in a non-unified GUI:
You can tell apps apart more easily

I still hate brushed metal and stripes, but like having some degree of variety in my UI. ....

Agreed. And it looks like there will still be variety: all apps MAY have metal title bars, but underneath some are still white while others are all-metal.

What I do NOT like is having multiple slightly-different versions of metal (like iTunes vs. Safari) and multiple slightly-different versions of white (like TextEdit vs. Mail).

I like the newer white look--the "unified" white (meaning titlebar and toolbar are unified without a line) for white apps. Like Mail and Prefs have. (The term "unified" doesn't mean metal-and-white unified, it means titlebar-and-toolbar unified.)

I also like the newer metal look that iTunes has (except for the scrollbars) better than Safari's brushed texture.

If something consistent can evolve from the new (unified) white and the new (non-brushed) metal, then we can still have variety in apps, with some using white below the top bar--but not so much chaos of NEARLY-alike themes!

And that improvement is what I'm seeing in these screenshots. Which isn't surprising, since the OS is going res-independent and unifying the themes into fewer slightly-different flavors makes that an easier job.

As for "going back to Platinum"--it's a nice sound bite, but no more. You might as well say the white OS X look we've had so far "goes back to System 6" since it has grooves in the title bar and lots of white. One or two details like square corners do not Platinum make. (How many shapes of corners are there to choose from? :p )

Change is always painful, but inevitable. We'll get used to it.

[coffeecty]

Why does everyone hate "Ye Olde Platinum"?
Give me it over Aqua any day. I would love to see platinum again. I mean, when you look at the Blue theme, It looks like something that would be for a beginner who doesn't know what buttons are for closing/minimizing, etc. Most that I know use Graphite or shapeshifter with an impossible-to-use, resource hogging theme. I would love to be able to switch between a platinum theme, the "Pro" theme, and an unusable (But show-y) translucent black "Glass" theme. And why can't we choose the colour (or tint) of windows and/or buttons?

[iMacZealot]

Why does everyone hate "Ye Olde Platinum"?
Give me it over Aqua any day. I would love to see platinum again. I mean, when you look at the Blue theme, It looks like something that would be for a beginner who doesn't know what buttons are for closing/minimizing, etc. Most that I know use Graphite or shapeshifter with an impossible-to-use, resource hogging theme. I would love to be able to switch between a platinum theme, the "Pro" theme, and an unusable (But show-y) translucent black "Glass" theme. And why can't we choose the colour (or tint) of windows and/or buttons?

No, Platinum wasn't anything bad, but it wasn't anything especially bad, either. It was more customizable and it's great to collapse the title bar and all, but it missed click-through, which I find necessary for ye old Mac OS' modal Finder. The Aqua Blue theme is great for anyone not doing graphical work, and many people complain that Aqua Graphite won't allow you to focus on your work, but I think I can rather well, and it's certainly better than a giant orange X and a green blob. :rolleyes: I don't think a black-based UI is a good idea because I think it can be harder to read things on desktop and notebooks (cell phones...I'm okay with it) and would just give everything an odd look. Sure, it's okay to have a black sheet here and there, especially in iLife, where it's generally found, but I don't think a UI based off of it would be a good idea.

[BWhaler]

I wasn't really bummed about the delay until I saw those screens.

The new look is terrible. Most notably is the text in the bar against the grey. Not enough contrast.

I had hopes about these secret features being significant and the new look and finder being beautiful.

I am not so optimistic now. For the first time, in Daring Fireball, a pundit questioned whether these secret feature were even real.

I have the sinking feeling Leopard is a half-baked, barely inspired upgrade.

I hope I am wrong. I really do. But I have my doubts...

[iMacZealot]

Well, I have hope that this UI is temporary and the finalised feature list announced at WWDC will include some extra bonuses.

[ChildOL]

Um, Apple doesn't make Flash. That would be Macromedia/Adobe. I suggest you take up your gripe with them.

I can't recall a single problem I've had with Flash video (I use a G4 Powerbook). My thinking is that the errors you're experiencing are somewhere between the chair and the keyboard.

You know, I don't believe that you're not a troll. I really hope you're not because your astounding ignorance reflects very poorly on the Mac community.

Please don't insult me, I have been using Windows since 1994 and have been a PC technician and developer for over a decade and Mac technician and developer for 7 years now so I do know what I am talking about. The Flash player has ALWAYS performed much worse compared to a Windows PC (and thats a PC with lower specs). The fact that later versions of OS X has actually "improved" the performance with the use of Core technologies AND the fact that PowerPC Mac OS even HAS flash would mean Apple has to be involved in it's implementation working with Macromedia/Adobe (PPC Linux users are not so lucky).

FYI I am not getting "errors" I am getting CHOPPY flash animation and CHOPPY flash video. Even though I use a DUAL 533Mhz G4 CPU PowerMac running ONE flash video usually takes up around 50-70% of BOTH CPUs yet is STILL semi-choppy (on my G4 800Mhz iMac it takes 95%-100% of the CPU and is WAY worse), just go to http://video.google.com and watch some videos and see what I mean. it's worse when it is still downloading the flash video etc. you would think the downloading would be a separate thread than the animation/video itself IDK. Sometimes it seems as though it is the browser integration or thread usage of the browser, it's hard for me to tell what the issue is exactly but I am sure this is on both Apple AND Adobe.

I'm doing two things here soon, upgrading to SATA and getting a Radeon 9800 Pro with 256MB of video memory in hopes that it will help.

Wanna test how slow your flash is on a mac? go here and compare: http://www.foodforlife.com (12 seconds on an old Windows machine (using over 90% of the CPU) for the flash to animate until the bird on the right comes down but 25 seconds for my machine using about 60% of both CPUs)

[shrimpdesign]

I wasn't really bummed about the delay until I saw those screens.

The new look is terrible. Most notably is the text in the bar against the grey. Not enough contrast.

I had hopes about these secret features being significant and the new look and finder being beautiful.

It's a placeholder theme. It not the final theme. NOT THE FINAL THEME. A PLACEHOLDER.

Jesus, all the drama here. It's seriously worse than high school.

[iMacZealot]

It's a placeholder theme. It not the final theme. NOT THE FINAL THEME. A PLACEHOLDER.

Jesus, all the drama here. It's seriously worse than high school.

Yeah, seriously. Whenever there's a dramatic day at school (which is almost everyday), I come here to relax, but today, for the first time in two years, I want to do the opposite. :(

And my family is also panicking for no apparent reason. It's that time of year again....

Am I the only sane person????? ;)

[shrimpdesign]

Wanna test how slow your flash is on a mac? go here and compare: http://www.foodforlife.com (12 seconds on an old Windows machine (using over 90% of the CPU) for the flash to animate until the bird on the right comes down but 25 seconds for my machine using about 60% of both CPUs)

Flash plays fine on my iMac Core Duo and my iBook G4.

[Cougarcat]

So far in Leopard we've had these theme changes:

iChat metal--->white
iCal metal-->white
Automator metal-->white
Safari metal-->gray
Finder metal-->gray
Spotlight white-->gray
Preview becomes Mailified

I'm trying to find a pattern, but I can't. It's like Apple threw a die to decide how to change the app. Well, at least we can bury metal next to OS 9.

Edit:well, apparently from the other thread, everything has gone dark, even mail. Huh. Can't say I like it, but it's about time Apple got consistent.

[JZ Wire]

I for one like this new look. I use UNO with Tiger now so I should adjust quickly to the new themem. However I dont want them to take away all the aqua like they did to itunes. I dont want it to become boring with no color. At least I finally get to see that brushed metal go.

[surferfromuk]

I hope this is a joke - a really bad joke - in case I'm not seeing the same thing as everyone else ( cos I can't believe my frickin eyes right now!!) - this is just flat boring dull grey laid over the old brushed metal , right ?.

[excalibur313]

I don't get it because I can just pull the bar over in 10.4 to get rid of the text next to the icons on the left in finder...

[angelneo]

FYI I am not getting "errors" I am getting CHOPPY flash animation and CHOPPY flash video. Even though I use a DUAL 533Mhz G4 CPU PowerMac running ONE flash video usually takes up around 50-70% of BOTH CPUs yet is STILL semi-choppy (on my G4 800Mhz iMac it takes 95%-100% of the CPU and is WAY worse), just go to http://video.google.com and watch some videos and see what I mean. it's worse when it is still downloading the flash video etc. you would think the downloading would be a separate thread than the animation/video itself IDK. Sometimes it seems as though it is the browser integration or thread usage of the browser, it's hard for me to tell what the issue is exactly but I am sure this is on both Apple AND Adobe.

I'm doing two things here soon, upgrading to SATA and getting a Radeon 9800 Pro with 256MB of video memory in hopes that it will help.

Wanna test how slow your flash is on a mac? go here and compare: http://www.foodforlife.com (12 seconds on an old Windows machine (using over 90% of the CPU) for the flash to animate until the bird on the right comes down but 25 seconds for my machine using about 60% of both CPUs)It's a well-known knowledge that Flash don't run as fast on Mac than Windows on a comparable machine. And Flash prior version 8 is notoriously heavy on resources, they did clean up and optimize with v8 but it is still not enough. Lastly, you should look at Adobe for an answer, NOT Apple. Adobe is the one that code and give out flash player and it's plugin to Safari, not Apple.

[BWhaler]

It's a placeholder theme. It not the final theme. NOT THE FINAL THEME. A PLACEHOLDER.

Jesus, all the drama here. It's seriously worse than high school.

You have absolutely no idea if this is the case. It is your speculation, nothingmore. That much is for certain.

So save the lectures. Let people express their opinions and stop pretending that "you know" anything more than anyone else here.

[arn]

I think a more interesting prospect is that all the finder elements could be core-animation elements. The dull-grey is just a placeholder texture that is layed down and light-sourced by Core-Animation.

Choose a different texture and your system-wide look is redone real-time.

this is mostly speculation, but in line with predictions that core-animation will take a bigger role in the UI.

arn

[Zwhaler]

Ah, the website with big pictures is full. I am meh with the new look from what I saw from the small photos, I wish it has glossy black (like in time machine) incorperated into it.

[fansub]

im getting pretty sick of the brushed metal look, apple needs to update with something shinny :rolleyes:

[iMacZealot]

I think a more interesting prospect is that all the finder elements could be core-animation elements. The dull-grey is just a placeholder texture that is layed down and light-sourced by Core-Animation.

Choose a different texture and your system-wide look is redone real-time.

this is mostly speculation, but in line with predictions that core-animation will take a bigger role in the UI.

arn

So, sort of like themes in Mac OS 8 and 9?

[Cloudsurfer]

So is this the big user interface change? Is this the big Aero killer? The move away from brushed metal, which can be achieved by a simple third party app called UNO?

Give me a break.

[arn]

So, sort of like themes in Mac OS 8 and 9?

I guess I don't really see Apple going all out with customizable themes, as I feel like they like to have a unified look to the Mac... that being said, core-animation is very cool, and it seems they could do some crazy stuff for it.

like daytime/nighttime effects or whatever in real time.

arn

[DMann]

I don't get it because I can just pull the bar over in 10.4 to get rid of the text next to the icons on the left in finder...

Exactly.........

[pengu]

maybe it IS just a placeholder.. but no one else has gone far enough..

i think, that its the "default" like the old Win2000 style in XP/Vista, and if you have a mildly-recent mac, you'll get a cool CoreAnimation effect: TRUE Aqua.

The whole window is a big puddle, and it ripples and shimmers in reaction to the way you move it. if you leave it alone (ie, screensaver timeout) some little ducks will land and start swimming about.. the windows in the background might start to ice-over the longer they are in-active (that would give a whole new concept to that Burning app that makes smoke, eh? :D )

and if you have your location configured in sys. preferences, the water will react to the outside weather.. so if it's raining, it will rain, and obviously ripple. if its snowing it will get "colder" and become more sluggish as it approaches freezing... i guess if its snowing you'd get bears or reindeer ice-skating instead of ducks? or maybe the ducks just drop from the "sky" frozen...

[netdog]

I really like the new look.

Much less garish than brushed metal. Glad to see that Apple is going in the opposite direction from Microsoft with their VistaVideoGame look.

[iMikeT]

Ouch, so many negatives!

Were people really expecting an overhaul of Finder?

[2Shae]

it looks more like the UNO (http://gui.interacto.net/) theme changer

and ps: it's very ugly

[ATG]

All I can say is...

NO MORE PINSTRIPES!!!!! :D :D :D

I think the way how they've used polished metal for foreground windows and unified aqua for background windows is plain ugly. If it was a slightly darker unified then it would be nice. But this is too far.

[Evangelion]

Not to bash Linux or anything, but it's complicated. It's extremely customizable at a price. And it's also free at a price. It takes more time to set it up.

No, and no. While Linux _can_ be complicated, Ubuntu most certainly is not. Ubuntu is in fact very, very simple and easy to use and manage. As to "it takes more time to set up"... Well, it takes about 30-40 minutes to install and set up, and that install includes the OS and all the productivity-apps you could wish for.

[willybNL]

Finder still doesn't have any traces of:

- Adressbar
- Cut-option

Time to switch to vista? At least it's explorer has these basic capabilities... When using finder as filemanager it fails on these really important points.

[ccn]

Finder still doesn't have any traces of:

- Adressbar
- Cut-option

Time to switch to vista? At least it's explorer has these basic capabilities... When using finder as filemanager it fails on these really important points.

Well, I'm not sure why you'd want an address bar as it's not useful in everyday usage, but if you really want one just hit Command-Shift-G (or Go: Go To Folder…) and Finder will bring up an address bar entry. You can also command click on the name of the window and it will show you your current location and also allow you to go up any directory (similar to command-up/down arrow). Finally, you can drag the icon at the top of the window next to the window name over to other apps or text fields and it will automatically paste your current address there. Is this serious?

Now, the cut option? OK, now I'm starting to think this posting is being sarcastic :p You can Command-X/Command-C then Command-V, just like with windows and ctrl-x/c/v.

[pengu]

Finder still doesn't have any traces of:

- Adressbar
- Cut-option

Time to switch to vista? At least it's explorer has these basic capabilities... When using finder as filemanager it fails on these really important points.

actually it has both.

hit Shift-Command G and u get a "go to" dialog.

and if u want "Cut", use Onyx and enable the option in the finder. but note that it is literally a cut, and it doesnt operate with "Paste".

[aLoC]

I don't like it. There's no need for a big thick grey box at the top of evey window.

With all the 3D tricks available in graphics frameworks today it should be possible to do windows with nice subtle thin borders, and use other visual tricks to keep them separated. (and I don't mean Vista style, who still have thick, ugly borders, but see-through).

[BobbyDigital]

looks unfinished... i don't think this will be the final UI.

[Jarcrew]

I really like it.

[psychofreak]

Now, the cut option? OK, now I'm starting to think this posting is being sarcastic :p You can Command-X/Command-C then Command-V, just like with windows and ctrl-x/c/v.

You cannot Command-X then Command-V a file in Finder...

[ccn]

You cannot Command-X then Command-V a file in Finder...

Whoops, you're right. Command-C, Command-V works. I always use Command-Delete whenever I want to delete a file, so I guess I never used this. Either way, this is not a reason to switch to vista ;)

[surferfromuk]

When are we going to see a black turtleneck, sneakers and blue jeans theme ?

:)

[biturbomunkie]

i don't need any wow but this looks uber boring... ...

but then again i'll still be using shaftshifter anyways, so fugly UI doesn't really matter.

[Agathon]

Why are people worried?

Apple has been deliberately secretive about Leopard. All we have seen are numerous "goodies" that go with the OS. Apple has deliberately refrained from talking up Leopard's core features. This was not so with Panther or Tiger. There's obviously some cool stuff being kept back. I can't say that I dislike the new theme, although I don't really care. I thought I would never like a brushed metal Finder, but I don't even notice it now.

I don't see why they should hurry with the release either. If Windows Vista had proved to be a superb Tiger-beating OS, then perhaps. But Vista has turned out to be a disappointment, so there is no pressure. That's not to say that Vista will be a financial failure, but it is a technological failure. They had five years and couldn't come up with something as good as Tiger.

Why not wait a few more months and release something that is so far ahead of Windows that there will no longer be any reasonable arguments on the topic.

If you want a good idea as to what Apple is doing, then look at the way they usually operate. They will introduce some feature in an app, and then decide that a global implementation makes sense. Hence the iTunes like Spotlight interface in the screenshots. Core Animation will be at the heart of the new interface, but if they are true to form, Apple will use it in a restrained but brilliant way, and show up Microsoft's GUI designers yet again.

[toughboy]

Guys, you obviously don't understand, it takes months to remove the brushed metal effect. Each window must be hand buffed and finished until it's perfectly smooth.

:p :D:D :D

[Stridder44]

I was expect more... this is pretty much UNO...

Pretty much?? This looks exactly like UNO. I'd hardly call this a UI change.

[xUKHCx]

I guess I don't really see Apple going all out with customizable themes, as I feel like they like to have a unified look to the Mac... that being said, core-animation is very cool, and it seems they could do some crazy stuff for it.

like daytime/nighttime effects or whatever in real time.

arn

Emphasis mine.

That would be extremely cool.

I'm currently working on a small applescript/terminal progam to change the desktop backgorund based on the time of day and the weather selecting approprate images from a database of Transparent backgrounds (http://www.macmerc.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=286&page=1). Example given below (my iMac is in front of a window so the lighting and weather have a large effect of what should be shown on the screen.)

http://www.macmerc.com/images/finalshot.jpg


Also do Mods/Gods know when people quote them or do they have to read everything

[Counter]

I suppose personally I am feeling the brunt of this and am a bit bitter since I like Apple because of their OS, and I still use a G4 powermac so I have that "left behind" thing going on. I watch flash videos every day and flash sucks on a mac and I wish they would fix it and so I hope with every release of OS X that it will be fixed but alas it is not :(

There is something weird with flash video on G4's. My G4 400 plays dvd's full screen no problem. High res mpegs, avi's etc also smoothly by dropping the odd frame here and there. But flash video only at YouTube size is on edge if it will play smoothly or not. Never seems to play as smooth and fluent as it should.

[BenRoethig]

For everyone who says this gray theme is ugly, don't worry about it. Think of it as a primer coat. The new theme will be unveiled at WWDC.

[cheunghy]

Hoping for a brand new UI in Leopard...

I created a little mockup in Photoshop today.
I know, I know, there are no 'Close', 'Zoom' and 'Minimize' buttons yet, and it looks much like Vista... Just don't take this too seriously...

http://host.canvasstudio.net/cheunghy/ui_mockup.jpg

[mark88]

Looks like pinstripe has gone too looking at the open dialog.

This new look is too dark, Mail looked better in unifed aqua instead of dark. Reminds me of windowx classic. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/SupportCD/Images/Windows_Vista_Classic_Visual_Style_HiRes.gif

[Butters]

Hoping for a brand new UI in Leopard...

I created a little mockup in Photoshop today.
I know, I know, there are no 'Close', 'Zoom' and 'Minimize' buttons yet, and it looks much like Vista... Just don't take this too seriously...


I see what your getting at with your mock up
I quite like the look of the buttons and drop down select menus :)

the transparancy is too vista though and the menu bar would look much better just left as is it is now I think

[Butters]

I skipped pages 4&5 so sorry if this was already mentioned but if you look at safari in this screenshot http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=456896297&size=o or any of the others you can see some of it's buttons have been changed to those slightly dodgy looking resolution independant buttons.

and theres a new button which looks like cut field :confused:

[iindigo]

That is freakin' UGLY. Square corners and dark greys - what the hell is this, anyway? Windows 98?

I am seriously hoping this is just a Leopard build with UNO Dark or something similar applied. If not, the moment I get Leopard I'm firing up Illustrator to cook up some halfway-decent looking widgets and hacking my way through Aqua.bundle.

[SPUY767]

All I can say, is, "SETTLE ON SOMETHING!"


Damn.

[CoreWeb]

I echo the statements of several others: Apple does not look finished with this. Well, actually, the ones on the Flickr account look much better than those other ones - that Finder sheet looked bloody awful!

[xUKHCx]

I skipped pages 4&5 so sorry if this was already mentioned but if you look at safari in this screenshot http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=456896297&size=o or any of the others you can see some of it's buttons have been changed to those slightly dodgy looking resolution independant buttons.

and theres a new button which looks like cut field :confused:

I believe it to be the new Dash Clip icon.

[Darkroom]

Hoping for a brand new UI in Leopard...

I created a little mockup in Photoshop today.
I know, I know, there are no 'Close', 'Zoom' and 'Minimize' buttons yet, and it looks much like Vista... Just don't take this too seriously...

http://host.canvasstudio.net/cheunghy/ui_mockup.jpg

i believe this is nicer than the current brushed metal / flat metal UI of 10.4, and it's more contemporary... i would be happy with something similar to this, if it didn't scream "VISTA!" ;-)... if it does look something like this it will be difficult for Apple to continue to mock microsoft's copying antics of the past.

[cbrain]

I like it!

However, I didn't like the fact that in some apps the colors didn't match. I suspect this will sorted in the next dev build.

[thejadedmonkey]

i believe this is nicer than the current brushed metal / flat metal UI of 10.4, and it's more contemporary... i would be happy with something similar to this, if it didn't scream "VISTA!" ;-)... if it does look something like this it will be difficult for Apple to continue to mock microsoft's copying antics of the past.

That definitely reminds me of Linux. not bad either.. I like it.

[jayducharme]

am i the only one think its ugly?

No. I hope this is an unintentional tweak or, as many have suggested, Uno. Why bother with the Core technologies to make the interface visually appealing and then take away the subtle touches that make OS-X a beautiful system? I don't get it.

I wonder if that flat grey look is a default that can be custom skinned? Even so, why make the default look blander than Windows?

[Cabbit]

dont you get it yet, now that the ui is all matching they can make it look like as they wish without worrying about inconsistencies. Now its universal, it can be changed universally.

[Swarmlord]

What was wrong with the brushed metal look? And now I have to wait until October for the release. I was really counting on the June release.:(

[Much Ado]

At least everything is unified now.

Perhaps there will be a simple option box for Uno, BM etc. so people can choose their skins, but keep all the windows the same.

I'd be all for that.

MA.

[sdhollman]

I think it is tasteful and understated, it is nice to see a unified window system too. I fins the glassiness of Vista way too overpowering.

[nylock10]

I actually think that looks good, but I think the only windows to have that style are ones that previously had the brushed metal theme.

E.g. Safari, Finder, iTunes, (apps with brushed) should get the new smooth metal. But Mail, iChat, (apps already have the smooth metal theme but white) should be kept the same.

Its nice to have different styles for different apps, dont be like Vista and have one theme all-around.

I hope developers hear me.

It'd be nice if you could customize the theme, users could choose which apps get brushed metal or smooth medal. But, that would draw attention away from ShapeShifter and unsanity would probably dislike that.


The Mockup UI is pretty good, but like I said before I think it should be an option. Not all Mac-users will like a theme change.

[DaBrain]

Performance aside, I am all for change; but if you are going to get rid of the brushed metal look, at least surpass it with something that looks as good or better. I think the plain grey is about as aesthetically pleasing as a DMV.

I converted to a Mac Intel a little over a year ago and I love the brushed metal! This to me seems a step backwards and downright ugly, plain and bland. But eh, that's just my opinion and ya know what they say about opinions!--)))

Regardless IM very happy with the Mac and Tiger and I sure don't miss the following:

1) Winblows registry and purchasing software to go in and clean it up!

2) Purchasing annual spyware programs and renewal fees and Anti-Virus software! Like Wow! I really miss spending all my time running that crap!--))

3) One moment all works and the next moment poof all hell breaks loose!

4) I really miss the long boot up time! --)))

5) Defragging my drive and basically all my time spent maintaining my computer instead of using and enjoying it!

For all you potential PC switchers out there. Make the switch now and you won't regret it! I have not looked back after 20 years of PC Hell and you wont either.

The stablity of Tiger and the fact that IF you want you can still run windows is really nice. What are you waiting for? New Hardware? There will always be new hardware and software updates just like on a PC. So why wait? Why not enjoy a great computer now?

Asking other's what should you do is lame! Do your homework, figure out what system you want based on your needs and go for it!

You won't regret it. As far as the delay of Leopard goes: Big Deal! It's not like when we waited years for Windows.

I don't regret for one moment switching and IM glad I didn't wait and wait and wait and wait.

Nice thing is when Leopard does come out it's my choice IF I want to upgrade. No one's holding a gun to my head.

Sorry for the ramble, but I have read so many posts on should I buy now or IM too impatient and I want it now so IM going to Vista! Bla Bla Bla! Well then go to registry, dll and driver hell!

Meanwhile I'll go back now and enjoy my year old iMac!

[Mhaddy]

Definitely not a fan of the new UI - looks very drab and un-Apple-like.

[brianus]

Hmmm...
At first, UNO seemed cool to me, but then I realized the wisdom in a non-unified GUI:
You can tell apps apart more easily


FINALLY!!!! Some common sense on this issue. I hate that it's taken as gospel that a unified UI is a good thing that "we're all hoping for". It's an extremely bad thing if you actually pause and think about it. Sure, Exposé does well enough if you're a graphic designer and all your windows are easily distinguishable, distinct images, but what if you're a programmer or writer who works all day with text? Tiger's several UIs make selecting windows, whether in Exposé or not, much easier. As someone who has to toggle between XP and OS X every day, I can verify having multiple UIs in a single OS is far superior and a great time saver.

And unified is especially bad if they choose an ugly theme, because then you're stuck with it throughout the OS. Right now, I only have to puke when I use iTunes. If you hate Mail's look, you only have to puke when you use Mail. If they truly unify things though...

[antonwalker]

sum it up in one word. FUGLY

[poundsmack]

is there an option somewhere that i dont know about that would let u change the interface to the look of pervios versions. like change the grey to white and what not.

[Infrared]

I don't think a black-based UI is a good idea because I think it can be harder to read things on desktop and notebooks (cell phones...I'm okay with it) and would just give everything an odd look. Sure, it's okay to have a black sheet here and there, especially in iLife, where it's generally found, but I don't think a UI based off of it would be a good idea.

Black-based does have its advantages. It's a great energy saver. If I
press ctl-alt-command-8 and stare at this page for 20 seconds, I can
turn off the computer, close my eyes, and still see the text :)

[FJR1300]

I would assume, ya ya I know "ass u me", that Time Machine and Spaces would be static icons in the dock. I do not see them in some of those screen shots. Maybe these pics are fake?

:cool:

[xUKHCx]

I would assume, ya ya I know "ass u me", that Time Machine and Spaces would be static icons in the dock. I do not see them in some of those screen shots. Maybe these pics are fake?

:cool:

You can remove them from the dock. Would piss a lot of people off, myself included, making them static in the dock.

[FJR1300]

You can remove them from the dock. Would piss a lot of people off, myself included, making them static in the dock.

Yes, but by me saying static more meaning Default. Being a beta copy I would think these things would be there as the reason to beta something is to try the new feature sets. I would think Time Machine and Spaces would just be there from install like Finder and Trash..

Besides, leaving Dashboard and iPhoto and removing new features like Time Machine and Spaces is weird, no?

[xUKHCx]

Yes, but by me saying static more meaning Default. Being a beta copy I would think these things would be there as the reason to beta something is to try the new feature sets. I would think Time Machine and Spaces would just be there from install like Finder and Trash..

Since there is a reasonably long time between seeds if i were a developer i would go about getting everything how i want it straight off the bat. The dock is immediately obvious and extremely easy to alter, but i do get what you are getting at.

[mickeymikey]

While I'm one of the few here that appears to be fine with the delay in the OS as a trade-off to prioritize the new product line (iPhone), I do concede that Apple should "throw us a bone" to soften the let-down of the delay. One way to do so would be to give us a look at the new UI, but I agree with many that what we're seeing this morning is merely an intermediary step, not the final version. I think it comes down to Steve's love of theatrics - he wants to be the one to pull off the black curtain Leopard, have it rise out of the stage floor, etc.

[MrCrowbar]

FINALLY!!!! Some common sense on this issue. I hate that it's taken as gospel that a unified UI is a good thing that "we're all hoping for". It's an extremely bad thing if you actually pause and think about it. Sure, Exposé does well enough if you're a graphic designer and all your windows are easily distinguishable, distinct images, but what if you're a programmer or writer who works all day with text? Tiger's several UIs make selecting windows, whether in Exposé or not, much easier. As someone who has to toggle between XP and OS X every day, I can verify having multiple UIs in a single OS is far superior and a great time saver.

I agree 100% with you. I like being able to tell applications apart from each other by the looks. I even like pinstripes and brushed metal if it's not over done. Some applications have a lot of empty space in brusheh metal, or even the whole preference window in brushed metal... For Finder and iCal brushed metal is fine. I wish they kept it in iTunes though...

Right now in Tiger, the window with the focus has usually a darker title bar and colored traffic light buttons and scroll bars (except in the graphite theme of course). But not all applications adhere to that scheme. iTunes for example stays the same color, only the traffic light buttons and the scroll bars fade out when not in focus. Look at the Flicker pictures. They look alright in my opinion. The screenshots mirrored here have sharp corners because the screenshot tool in Leopard apparently only takes one layer of a window. The windows in OSX are actually rendered like this, then the alpha channel layer cuts away the corners and makes things translucent, and another layer adds shadows to the window. I guess the engineers had to rewrite the windowing engine completely to make it all core animation and resolution independent. The icons and buttons change daily at Apple internally. There are a lot of people working on getting everything high resolution (400 dpi). It's more complicated than you think.

The interface will probably change often until final release but may not be included in the developer builds because it would be additional effort from Apple and wouldn't help the developers in any way. So don't worry too much about such minor things like shades of gray on title bars... Those things are usually decided just before release. Be happy you have Tiger for now, it's still better than Vista :-)

[ghall]

Well, I'm happy about the new interface.

*gets in a time machine (not to be cofused with Time Machine), and goes to October 2007* :rolleyes:

[BuzWeaver]

Will Safari ever have sort capability outside of manually doing it?

[Alloye]

Leopard is a work in progress. These screenshots illustrate that fact.

These screenshots also illustrate the first real deviation from the Tiger UI since Leopard made its debut.

In other words, I think Apple wanted to drop us a hint that they are giving the Leopard UI some much needed attention. While I personally don't believe build 9A410 represents what Leopard will look like on launch day, I do know that no matter what Apple ultimately settles upon, some of us will like it and some of us won't. Such is the subjective nature of our species.

Finally, I'd like to emphasize that it is very likely Apple will withhold the final Leopard UI until WWDC. The fact that we have screenshots for everyone to complain about months before release proves the existence of ADC members who can't be trusted.

[1Twenty]

Is it me, or is Apple slowly regressing back to the look of OS 9? OS 10.1-2 was truly Aqua, with a lot of transparency, pinstripes, aqua buttons, etc;. They seem to be really removing themselves from the original Aqua design (see iTunes 7).

[Antares]

This rocks! I'm liking the new theme. :) I know people are bummed about the delay to October. However, it's not THAT long of a wait....and, it gives more time for Apple to really polish Leopard up. :D Be happy. We're going to be getting a great OS, even if it's later than we ideally want.

[Evangelion]

That is freakin' UGLY. Square corners and dark greys - what the hell is this, anyway? Windows 98?

The corners are not square....

[iindigo]

The corners are not square....

Not 100% square, but they're still much more square than the current nice, round corners. Much too square for my taste... In fact, I would be incredibly happy if the whole iTunes 7 look completely disappeared.

[Evangelion]

Not 100% square, but they're still much more square than the current nice, round corners. Much too square for my taste... In fact, I would be incredibly happy if the whole iTunes 7 look completely disappeared.

The screenshot-tool makes the look square, but they are not square in reality. Don't believe me? Click here (http://flickr.com/photos/shrimpdesign/456896357/)

[Smactech]

boy I sure hope they don't go along with square windows....I love the rounded corners. but i must say, the new look for the finder looks nice

The windows ARE NOT SQUARE !! Gees... someone made poor screen captures.

[Chris Bangle]

The windows ARE NOT SQUARE !! Gees... someone made poor screen captures.

Thats a bug in leopard i think, ummm it seems all thevye been doing is making new screensavers. Thats a shame. Worst bit is that i have to wait till october. Hopfuly wwdc we will see the new UI

[iindigo]

The screenshot-tool makes the look square, but they are not square in reality. Don't believe me? Click here (http://flickr.com/photos/shrimpdesign/456896357/)

I saw those. They are still much more square than the current.

See below. The left is Leopard while the right is Tiger.

[willybNL]

Well, I'm not sure why you'd want an address bar as it's not useful in everyday usage, but if you really want one just hit Command-Shift-G (or Go: Go To Folder…) and Finder will bring up an address bar entry. You can also command click on the name of the window and it will show you your current location and also allow you to go up any directory (similar to command-up/down arrow). Finally, you can drag the icon at the top of the window next to the window name over to other apps or text fields and it will automatically paste your current address there. Is this serious?

Now, the cut option? OK, now I'm starting to think this posting is being sarcastic :p You can Command-X/Command-C then Command-V, just like with windows and ctrl-x/c/v.

Did you ever try Apple-X? Doesn't work....
It's far from sarcastic.... i'm really very serieus.
When moving files around in OSX I very frequently get very tired, and start the terminal to move stuff around... this is not what OSX should be!

And as far go 'goto'... i don't wanna go somewhere, I want to know where I am! And very fast go 3 levels down for example, or very fast switch the map I am in. (Try it in Vista, and really you will see it works much better! And no: i'm not a m$ fan!).

[iindigo]

And as far go 'goto'... i don't wanna go somewhere, I want to know where I am! And very fast go 3 levels down for example, or very fast switch the map I am in. (Try it in Vista, and really you will see it works much better! And no: i'm not a m$ fan!).

That's what the Path button or Apple-clicking the icon in the titlebar is for. Works quite nicely without the nasty bulkiness of a URL bar.

[corywoolf]

I can't believe they haven't scrapped the ugly aqua scroll bar yet. They need to make it more like iTunes 7.

[themacthinker]

Holly beauty... Not sure if it makes things any better. what would be really cool is if they allow users to create themes of leopard.
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[EmptySet]

The corners are probably not square. This is an artifact of the screen cap. If you don't believe me, zoom in on the top right corner of the Photo Booth image.

[job]

I saw those. They are still much more square than the current.

See below. The left is Leopard while the right is Tiger.

Does it really bother you that much?

The difference is what, a few minute pixels?

It doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me...

[iindigo]

Does it really bother you that much?

The difference is what, a few minute pixels?

It doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me...

Well, I'm a nitpicky designer type, and everything in my UI has to feel --just-- right or I'm not happy, so yes, it does matter to me. I currently have UNO Light/Smoothstripes mod (dark = ick) installed and many of the programs I use have interfaces that I have custom-modified to meet my specifications.

[skinnylegs]

I wouldn't get too excited about the screenshots. They're fun to look at but that's about it. I'm thinking that Leopard will allow for a number of different themes to suit different tastes. That's my take.....

[Luigi239]

I don't think the windows are square, I think it's just grab is not taking the whole window. Notice how there is no drop shadow? Apple wouldn't remove that.

I don't think the gray is bad, but I do think its a place holder. And lastly, am I the only one who likes brushed metal?

[iindigo]

I don't think the windows are square, I think it's just grab is not taking the whole window. Notice how there is no drop shadow? Apple wouldn't remove that.

I don't think the gray is bad, but I do think its a place holder. And lastly, am I the only one who likes brushed metal?

I, too, like brushed metal under some circumstances. It looks good on a few programs, two being Safari and iTunes 4. I hate that Apple got rid of brushed in iTunes... it really fit nicely.

http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/applications/multimedia/cdplayer/macosx103-1-1.png

[job]

Well, I'm a nitpicky designer type, and everything in my UI has to feel --just-- right or I'm not happy, so yes, it does matter to me. I currently have UNO Light/Smoothstripes mod (dark = ick) installed and many of the programs I use have interfaces that I have custom-modified to meet my specifications.

Gotcha.

Now that you mentioned it, I went and compared iTunes 7 with the screenshot of the older version of iTunes that you posted. Version 7 has the more squarish looking corners. I wouldn't be that surprised if we saw a lot of design cues of 10.5 taken from iTunes 7.

[seafrog]

October for this?

It has the feeling of going backwards, I do not like the grey. Or maybe I am just in a bad mood

I agree with you 100%. I don't know if this is due to the weather in Seattle, but grey is depressing. I sincerely hope they get rid of grey or let you customize and select an uniform theme.

[dpaanlka]

I feel like it's more of an evolution of Platinum, not Aqua.

That's exactly the first thought I had. It's totally the new Platinum.

I call BS that Leopard will look anything like this.

Apple didn't show this - some one decided to break there disclosure agreement, or it is a temp GUI, or it is a hoax via shapeshifter, or a photoshop job. It isn't gospel until Apple tells us that it is and even then they can't please everyone.

I think you both got it. I don't think this is what shipping Leopard will look like.

[matticus008]

Well, I'm a nitpicky designer type, and everything in my UI has to feel --just-- right or I'm not happy, so yes, it does matter to me. I currently have UNO Light/Smoothstripes mod (dark = ick) installed and many of the programs I use have interfaces that I have custom-modified to meet my specifications.
All the more reason to get rid of the silly rounded corners. They're very 2000. If you look at the trends in design, you'll see that rich colors and clean edges are very much in vogue. I expect a lot more combinations of arcs and plumb lines as the interface continues to evolve, along with the replacement of dated-looking gel effects. Aqua is an interesting idea, but it doesn't really capture "water" in a contemporary interpretation. Instead, light and texture are the new directions.

For the people complaining about the "darkening" of the UI, just remember that this is a work in progress. No matter what they produce, some people are going to prefer the old style. As I've said before, I expect some particularly vibrant color accents in key areas with more subdued color elsewhere. You can't take advantage of color and lighting if everything is a happy, middling blend like it is now (bright greys and muted colors). The darker grey window colors set up much bolder system controls and room for lighting effects (which would lack contrast on a light base color). Richer colors create more dramatic environments (that means darker greys). We've already seen the beginnings of this (Front Row, Quick Look [the eye button in Finder], iPhone, AppleTV, Time Machine, the Apple Developer website, and others).

[MrCrowbar]

I, too, like brushed metal under some circumstances. It looks good on a few programs, two being Safari and iTunes 4. I hate that Apple got rid of brushed in iTunes... it really fit nicely.

http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/applications/multimedia/cdplayer/macosx103-1-1.png

OMG, how I miss the old iTunes :( The brushed metal, the buttons on the bottom right, the uber cool button on the top right with it's cool animations...

[tfh1013]

Personally, these screenshots seem too fake for me...

I know that the edges are more square and everthing, but I still think someone got UNO running on Leopard... Or had some fun in Photoshop.

I mean, when some icons are crooked in a mockup of say, an iPod, everyone yells "PHOTOCHOP!" But here, people are blaming the off-centered icons on Leopard being in beta stage...

And don't you think Apple Legal would have had these taken down by now?

P.S. (Of course, I could always be wrong... remember the screenshots of System Prefs in Tiger, where the word "Desktop" was spelled "Dekstop" and everyone called it fake?)

[iMacZealot]

Personally, these screenshots seem too fake for me...

I know that the edges are more square and everthing, but I still think someone got UNO running on Leopard... Or had some fun in Photoshop.

I mean, when some icons are crooked in a mockup of say, an iPod, everyone yells "PHOTOCHOP!" But here, people are blaming the off-centered icons on Leopard being in beta stage...

And don't you think Apple Legal would have had these taken down by now?

P.S. (Of course, I could always be wrong... remember the screenshots of System Prefs in Tiger, where the word "Desktop" was spelled "Dekstop" and everyone called it fake?)

It's not UNO because it will apply that dark shade seen in Leopard Mail, Leopard and Tiger Safari, but not Tiger Mail. Plus, the dark shade applied to brushed metal windows in UNO makes the window title have an odd, white shadow.

[seashellz2]

If they'd only re-design that dumb looking "Home" icon-it looks too "XP-ish"

..and another thing...


Bet we'll see a 10.4.10 (or 11) before its all over

[coffey7]

Well I'm not impressed. Bummer.

I agree. All this time and even a delay for that. If this is the final product then I will stick with the current OS. Vista looks better.

[Big-TDI-Guy]

I haven't read every page, but there was some mention of 16x16 patterns within the screen shots. I feel slightly less insane for noticing little sideways "smilies" within every inch of screen shot. Harder to see on the light captures, easy to see on the right-hand side of the screen saver shot.

This a watermark, or a hidden pattern / code?

If I were slightly less dumb, I could look into it deeper - but I think me seeing this "pattern" is Saturday boredom going a little too far.

I used "control + scroll" to zoom in a bit for a better look.

I'm going to find something "productive" to do now.

[Vidd]

I haven't read every page, but there was some mention of 16x16 patterns within the screen shots. I feel slightly less insane for noticing little sideways "smilies" within every inch of screen shot. Harder to see on the light captures, easy to see on the right-hand side of the screen saver shot.

This a watermark, or a hidden pattern / code?

If I were slightly less dumb, I could look into it deeper - but I think me seeing this "pattern" is Saturday boredom going a little too far.

I used "control + scroll" to zoom in a bit for a better look.

I'm going to find something "productive" to do now.

I just opened that image to check because that sounded interesting.
When I opened it, I thought it was a .gif at first.

The reason is that this pattern repeats all over it:
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4536/untitled2vu5.jpg
Is this what you mean?

[xUKHCx]

OMG, how I miss the old iTunes :( The brushed metal, the buttons on the bottom right, the uber cool button on the top right with it's cool animations...

Well if you really want it go here. (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/itunes471.html)

[Big-TDI-Guy]

That is exactly what I was seeing, I looked into the imageshack FAQ and it said that they do not watermark or alter images - so whats behind this particular pattern?

Is it intended to cover up, or alter any tracability or watermarks within the developer seed?

Thanks for the sanity check b.t.w. :D

[Vidd]

That is exactly what I was seeing, I looked into the imageshack FAQ and it said that they do not watermark or alter images - so whats behind this particular pattern?

Is it intended to cover up, or alter any tracability or watermarks within the developer seed?

Thanks for the sanity check b.t.w. :D

No problem, although I'm slightly disappointed that there are no hidden emoticons in it. :)
It wouldn't be imageshack since I used that to host it as well!

[CJD2112]

All this talk of the GUI being re-developed, I am surprised that Apple hasn't incorporated the option for users to customize the colors and layout of their system. This would be especially useful for graphic designers and photographers, who make up a large portion of the Apple consumer market, as altering the color scheme of the system to personal preferences might improve individual work flow. Just a thought...

[tfh1013]

It's not UNO because it will apply that dark shade seen in Leopard Mail, Leopard and Tiger Safari, but not Tiger Mail. Plus, the dark shade applied to brushed metal windows in UNO makes the window title have an odd, white shadow.

Fair enough.

[matticus008]

Is it intended to cover up, or alter any tracability or watermarks within the developer seed?

Thanks for the sanity check b.t.w. :D
All OS X developer software creates degraded screenshots. They may well be watermarks useful to Apple. The Tiger screenshots did the same thing.

The final version always removes the degradation/watermarking, so it is not a bug or a permanent change.